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Title: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: WHD on July 21, 2012, 04:08:06 PM

Diners,

I've never cared much for conspiracy theories, but having recently come to the truth about 911, I have to say, there is something very fishy about that Colorado shooting. This article from Natural News via Alex Jones site lays it out pretty tight. And only a week away, the UN ratification of the small arms "treaty"

http://www.infowars.com/colorado-batman-shooting-shows-obvious-signs-of-being-staged/ (http://www.infowars.com/colorado-batman-shooting-shows-obvious-signs-of-being-staged/)

Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged

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July 21, 2012

James Holmes, the Aurora, Colorado shooter who reportedly opened fire at a Batman movie premiere, was a medical student at the University of Colorado, pursuing a PhD in neuroscience, reports ABC News. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shooting-colorado-movie-theater-14-peop (http://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shooting-colorado-movie-theater-14-peop)…)

As part of the attack, Holmes painted his hair red and referred to himself as “The Joker,” one of the arch enemies in the DC Comics-inspired Batman movie series. (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/police-14-dead-in-colorado-the (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/police-14-dead-in-colorado-the)…)

According to news reports, this sudden violent rampage was completely out of character for James Holmes, who was described as “shy.”

The New York Times is now reporting:
Billy Kromka, a pre-med student at the University of Colorado, Boulder, worked with Mr. Holmes for three months last summer as a research assistant in a lab of at the Anschutz Medical Campus. Mr. Kromka said he was surprised to learn Mr. Holmes was the shooting suspect. “It was just shocking, because there was no way I thought he could have the capacity to do commit an atrocity like this,” he said. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-mall-shooting.html?page (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-mall-shooting.html?page)…)

“He spent much of his time immersed in the computer, often participating in role-playing online games…”

There is already conjecture that James Holmes may have been involved in mind-altering neuroscience research and ended up becoming involved at a depth he never anticipated. His actions clearly show a strange detachment from reality, indicating he was not in his right mind. That can only typically be accomplished through drugs, hypnosis or trauma (and sometimes all three).

His behavior doesn’t add up

    A d v e r t i s e m e n t

His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of “killing everyone.”

Furthermore, he then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives. If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn’t add up.

“Holmes was taken into custody shortly after the shooting, police said, adding he didn’t resist when he was arrested,” reports a local CBS news affiliate (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/police-14-dead-in-colorado-the (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/police-14-dead-in-colorado-the)…).

“After his arrest, Holmes told police about ‘possible explosives in his residence,’ Oates said. When police searched his apartment, they discovered it was booby-trapped and evacuated surrounding buildings, police said. Oates said bomb technicians are determining how to disarm flammable or explosive material in the third-floor apartment. He said police could be there some time.”

None of this checks out. If you’re a killer bent on causing mayhem, why tell the police about your surprise bomb waiting for them back at your apartment?

Holmes was clearly provided with exotic gear

Continuing from CBS:

“He said pictures from inside the apartment are fairly disturbing and the devices look to be sophisticated, adding the booby-traps were ‘something I’ve never seen.’ One rifle, two handguns, a knife, a bullet proof vest, a ballistic helmet, a gas device, a gas mask, military SWAT clothing and unidentified explosives were also found in Holmes’ car, a law enforcement source told CBS News. Oates said Holmes wore a gas mask, a ballistic helmet and vest as well as leg, groin and throat protectors during the shooting.”

In other words, this guy was equipped with exotic gear by someone with connections to military equipment. SWAT clothing, explosives, complex booby-traps… c’mon, this isn’t a “lone gunman.” This is somebody who was selected for a mission, given equipment to carry it out, then somehow brainwashed into getting it done.

“Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes’ apartment is booby-trapped with a ‘sophisticated’ maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it,” reports Yahoo News (http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-stu (http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-stu)…).

This is not your run-of-the-mill crime of passion. It was a carefully planned, heavily funded and technically advanced attack. Who might be behind all this? The FBI, of course, which has a long history of setting up and staging similar attacks, then stopping them right before they happen. See four documented stories on these facts:

http://www.naturalnews.com/035849_domestic_terror_plots_FBI.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/035849_domestic_terror_plots_FBI.html)
http://www.naturalnews.com/034325_FBI_entrapment_terror_plots.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/034325_FBI_entrapment_terror_plots.html)
http://www.naturalnews.com/033751_FBI_terrorism.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/033751_FBI_terrorism.html)
http://www.naturalnews.com/035757_FBI_terror_plots_false_flag.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/035757_FBI_terror_plots_false_flag.html)

As you soak all this in, remember that the FBI had admitted to setting up terror plots, providing the weapons and gear, staging the location of the bombings and even driving the vehicles to pull it off! This is not a conspiracy theory, it’s been admitted by the FBI right out in the open. Even the New York Times openly reports all this in stories like this one:

NYT: Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-help (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-help)…)

THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts. But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. …the F.B.I. provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon drums of “inert material,” harmless blasting caps, a detonator cord and a gallon of diesel fuel to make the van smell flammable. An undercover F.B.I. agent even did the driving…

Mystery man Holmes has no background

On top of all this, Holmes apparently has no background. “He’s not on anybody’s radar screen — nothing,” said a peace officer in a NYT article. “This guy is somewhat of an enigma. Nobody knows anything about him.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-mall-shooting.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-mall-shooting.html))

Mr. Holmes’s only criminal history is a traffic summons, the authorities said. He earned a bachelor’s degree with honors in neuroscience in 2010 from the University of California, Riverside, and was a graduate student in neurosciences at the University of Colorado at Denver’s Anschutz Medical Campus… He was currently collecting unemployment…

Question: How does an unemployed medical student afford $20,000 in weapons gear?

If you start to look at the really big picture here, the obvious question arises: How does an unemployed medical student afford all the complex weapons gear, bomb-making gear, “flammable” booby trap devices, ammunition, multiple magazines, bullet-proof vest, groin protection, ballistic helmet, SWAT uniform and all the rest of it?

A decent AR-15 rifle costs $1,000 or more all by itself. The shotgun and handgun might run another $800 total. Spare mags, sights, slings, and so on will run you at least another $1,000 across three firearms. The bullet-proof vest is easily another $800, and the cost of the bomb-making gear is anybody’s guess. With all the specialty body gear, ammunition, booby-trap devices and more, I’m guessing this is at least $20,000 in weapons and tactical gear, much of which is very difficult for civilians to get in the first place.

The mere manufacture of an explosive booby-trap device is, all by itself, a felony crime by the way. And remember: “Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes’ apartment is booby-trapped with a ‘sophisticated’ maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it,” reported Yahoo News (http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-stu (http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-stu)…).

Question: Where does an unemployed, introverted medical school student get the training to deploy sophisticated booby traps, tactical body armor, weapons systems and more? Certainly not in graduate school!

All this leads to an obvious third party influence over all this. Someone else taught this guy these skills and funded the acquisition of the equipment.

Staged just in time for a vote on the UN small arms treaty?

More and more, this shooting is looking like a deliberate plot staged by the government itself much like Operation Fast and Furious pulled off by the ATF (http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_ATF_illegal_firearms.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_ATF_illegal_firearms.html)) which helped smuggle tens of thousands of guns into Mexico for the purpose of causing “gun violence” in the USA, then blaming the Second Amendment for it.

All this looks like James Holmes completed a “mission” and then calmly ended that mission by surrendering to police and admitting everything. The mission, as we are now learning, was to cause as much terror and mayhem as possible, then to have that multiplied by the national media at exactly the right time leading up the UN vote next week on a global small arms treaty that could result in gun confiscation across America. (http://lewrockwell.com/eddlem/eddlem61.1.html (http://lewrockwell.com/eddlem/eddlem61.1.html))

Even Forbes.com wrote about this quite extensively, warning readers about the coming gun confiscation effort related to the UN treaty. The story was authored by Larry Bell (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should)…) and says the UN treaty could “override our national sovereignty, and in the process, provide license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.”

In other words, this has all the signs of Fast & Furious, Episode II. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover someone in Washington was behind it all. After all, there’s no quicker way to disarm a nation and take total control over the population than to stage violence, blame it on firearms, then call for leaders to “do something!” Such calls inevitably end up resulting in gun confiscation, and it’s never too long after that before government genocide really kicks in like we saw with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and other tyrants.

Governments routinely murder millions

Here’s a short list of government mass murder carried out throughout history, almost always immediately following the disarmament of the public (and usually involving staged false flag events to justify the disarmament):

50+ million dead: Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)
12+ million dead: Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) – concentration camps, civilian deaths and dead Russian POWs
8+ million dead: Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)
6+ million dead: Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39)
5+ million dead: Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44)
2+ million dead: Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-22)
1.7 million dead: Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79)
1.6 million dead: Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94)
1.5 million dead: Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78)
1 million dead: Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970)
900,000 dead: Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982)
800,000 dead: Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994)
See more at:
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html (http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html)

Death by government:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.CHAP1.HTM (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.CHAP1.HTM)
http://www.infowars.com/democide-government-killed-over-260-million-i (http://www.infowars.com/democide-government-killed-over-260-million-i)…

A “monopoly of force” in government is far more dangerous than a crazed lone shooter

So yes, James Holmes and other crazed shooters kill a number of people each year in random acts of violence. It’s horrifying and wrong, but it’s nothing compared to the millions of lives that governments tend to destroy when they gain total power over the populace.

The most dangerous thing in the world, it turns out, is not a crazy person with a rifle; it’s a government with a “monopoly of force” over the entire population. And that’s exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: Stripping all power from individual citizens and handing “monopolies of force” to the governments of the world, shoring up their positions as the only “legitimate” power on the planet.

See this document entitled, “Geneva Centre for the Democratic Control of Armed Forces (DCAF)” policy paper No. 24:
http://www.naturalnews.com/files/Revisiting-the-State-Monopoly-on-the (http://www.naturalnews.com/files/Revisiting-the-State-Monopoly-on-the)…

As this document reveals, a table entitled “Governance solutions for reasserting the state monopoly on the use of force” lists the options available to governments to re-establish “monopolies of force” against their own people:

• (Re-)establish state monopoly
- Ownership of WMDs
- Safety Inspectorates

• Prohibit business activity
- Justice and Execution
- Deadly Force?

• Regulate/limit activities
- Private defense/security services
- Control of financial transfers
- Export controls
- Transport and infrastructure safety
- Environmental impact

Interestingly, that document also describes “terrorism” in a way that perfectly matches the Aurora, Colorado “Batman” movie theater shooter:

Terrorists aim to spread panic and fear in societies in order to achieve political goals, be they based on left- or right-wing, social-revolutionary, nationalistic or religious ideologies. They are organized in a clandestine way, most often in small groups and cells… Typical tactical means include kidnapping, hostage-taking, sabotage, murder, suicide attacks, vehicle bombs and improvised explosive devices.

A global monopoly of force

This document is a goldmine of information about the globalist agenda to disarm and enslave the population. Check out page 28, which reads:

The legitimate monopoly of force should not be limited to the nation-state but should be based on the local, national, regional and the global levels.

Global Security Governance and the Monopoly of Force

At the global level no monopoly of violence exists. The UN Security Council already has a monopoly power to authorize the use of force at the global level, although the UN was never given the necessary means to exercise this authority, such as the capacity to implement sanctions, a police force and armed forces…

This deficiency in global governance acts as a bottleneck and a barrier to the creation of the democratically legitimized monopoly of violence that is globally required.

This story gets deep, doesn’t it? Watch for more analysis here at NaturalNews.com, where we still fight for liberty and justice in a world that’s increasingly becoming enslaved.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 21, 2012, 05:34:17 PM

This one is very suspicious and certainly will be used to up the rhetoric for the Gun Control Lobby.

IMHO, this sort of shit would not go on if EVERYBODY was Packing Heat in that Movie Theatre. The minute this Joker openned fire, everybody around him would yank out their Glocks for Target Practice.  Maybe he knocks down one or two unlucky Batman Fans before he himself gets Knocked Down, but hell more folks die in Car Accidents on the way to the Movie Theatre than that every day.

Lot's of Bad Guys out there, but there are IMHO more Good Guys.  The Good Guys need to be Packing Heat also.  When Bad Guys are Killing People, Good Guys have to KILL THEM.  This does not just hold true for Jokers in Movie Theaters.  It holds true for Jokers running Monsanto and Goldman Sachs also.

RE

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Tao Jonesing on July 21, 2012, 05:46:41 PM

It's kind of sick that anybody would use this mass murder to score political points and push his own agenda.  Whether it's Obama, the NRA or Alex Jones, it's just sick.

Welcome to America, where every tragedy is a spectacle "personalized" to confirm your worldview.  Fuck that the corpses used to be people.  They died for our amusement and speculation.  It feels just like Christmas.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: EndIsNigh on July 21, 2012, 05:52:19 PM

WHD, I immediately thought this will in the least be used for gun control lobby purposes.

Has anyone seen the movie?  I went last night and found some of the themes to be very interesting.  Some examples without trying to spoil it for those who haven't seen the movie:

"Sustainable" fusion based energy, and it's weaponisation, plays a big part in the story.
Anarchy and sentencing of the rich to death (RE orkin man style) after dragging them out of their homes is, not surprisingly, portrayed in a negative light.
The vicious circle principle in the form of technology escalation.

There's probably more but that's all I've got for now

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: WHD on July 21, 2012, 05:56:42 PM

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They died for our amusement and speculation.

Tao,

Well I am not amused. Nor am I willing to pretend that our government would very much like to force us to surrender our guns. And I am very much with RE on this - had a few good men been in that crowd with handguns they knew how to use, that kid would not have killed twelve and wounded 60.

Did you get this angry when your CIA killed those kids sitting around that bonfire in Yemen last year? Are you at all worked up that Obama has filled America's skies with drones this year? Or the 450 million rounds of Hollow Point Bullets our friendly DHS purchased?

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: WHD on July 21, 2012, 05:58:27 PM

EndisNigh,

Reality is truly becoming far stranger than fiction.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Tao Jonesing on July 21, 2012, 07:30:51 PM

Quote from: William Hunter Duncan on July 21, 2012, 05:56:42 PM

Well I am not amused.

Your emotional state is irrelevant, isn't it? 

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Did you get this angry?

My emotional state is irrelevant, too.  For the record, and only because you seem to care: I am not angry.

I won't tell you how I feel because if you had any ability to comprehend what you read, you'd know by now, wouldn't you? 

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Did you get this angry when your CIA killed those kids sitting around that bonfire in Yemen last year? Are you at all worked up that Obama has filled America's skies with drones this year? Or the 450 million rounds of Hollow Point Bullets our friendly DHS purchased?

Go back and read what I wrote.  Now read it again.  And again.  Are you sure you really tried hard to catch every word?  Okay, hopefully you finally caught that I included Obama (and by implication, the Dems and the gun control lobby) in my accusation of using this tragedy for political gain.  Indeed, OBAMA LED THE LIST. (Apologies to everyone else for shouting, but WHD is in the hizouse.)  That's why all the buttons you tried to push didn't work.  Your effort was both ham-handed and way off the mark.

All I can say, WHD, is that you seem to be itching for a fight.  You won't find one here.  Move along. 

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 21, 2012, 07:50:19 PM

Quote from: Tao Jonesing on July 21, 2012, 07:30:51 PM

Go back and read what I wrote.  Now read it again.  And again.

TJ, YOU need to read what you wrote Again and Again. You are the one who called WHD "Smug" and then directly AFTER that said nobody called him Smug.  If you can'tremember what you wrote, you are in deep trouble here.

RE

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Tao Jonesing on July 21, 2012, 08:46:39 PM

Quote from: RE on July 21, 2012, 07:50:19 PM

Quote from: Tao Jonesing on July 21, 2012, 07:30:51 PM

Go back and read what I wrote.  Now read it again.  And again.

TJ, YOU need to read what you wrote Again and Again. You are the one who called WHD "Smug" and then directly AFTER that said nobody called him Smug.  If you can'tremember what you wrote, you are in deep trouble here.

RE

RE, let me explain to you because you just might get it.

It was obvious when WHD changed the topic of conversation (in another post) to argue over a premise that was central to that post (i.e., that we are already in the process of so-called "collapse") that WHD had not understood what I wrote in the first instance.  Therefore, I chose to restate what I originally wrote.   What I originally wrote had nothing to do with WHD.  The fact that I restated what I originally wrote in a comment to WHD, therefore, did not result in what I originally wrote being about WHD. 

This is simple logic, my friend.  Reverse engineer it for yourself. 

If you and WHD really find it that important to believe that I called him smug, go right ahead and believe I called him smug.  For the record, I do think he has poor reading comprehension.  I also think he is narcissistic.  I also think he is a drama queen itching for a fight that will give his life meaning (his life clearly sucks).  But ultimately he lacks self-awareness and is too self-absorbed for me to call him smug.  He's just a raw nerve oscillating in the wind of political change.  Still, if you and he both say I have called him smug, I guess I must have.  It really doesn't matter to me.  At this point, I clearly don't have a favorable opinion of the guy (he made certain of that with his pitiful attempts to attack me in this thread, which just emphasized his lack of reading comprehension and his inability to read people), but he wants to foster my dislike for him so he can have an enemy to focus his rage at.  That's fine, too.  I'll just ignore him , comforted by the knowledge that I bring meaning to his life. 

Now let's rewind to the last paragraph.  Do you really think I'm not willing to own up to intentionally insulting somebody? 

I know what I said.  I know what I meant.  But what I said and what I meant are completely irrelevant once what I said hits the filters you apply to interpret your own personal worlds.  And its just as true that the fact that a bunch of people were massacred during a leisure activity means nothing to the people who want gun control, to the people who want more guns, to the people looking for a bogeyman in every human event.  Fuck the fact that these people were alive only days ago.  Their deaths give our lives meaning, a reason to speculate about how the massacre confirms what we already believe.  They died so we could live (without withdrawal symptoms).  It really is sick, and the fact that self-proclaimed doomers are just as sick as the rest of society only confirms the depth of the illness.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 21, 2012, 09:19:34 PM

Quote from: Tao Jonesing on July 21, 2012, 08:46:39 PM

If you and WHD really find it that important to believe that I called him smug, go right ahead and believe I called him smug.  For the record, I do think he has poor reading comprehension.  I also think he is narcissistic.  I also think he is a drama queen itching for a fight that will give his life meaning (his life clearly sucks).  But ultimately he lacks self-awareness and is too self-absorbed for me to call him smug.  He's just a raw nerve oscillating in the wind of political change.  Still, if you and he both say I have called him smug, I guess I must have.

I don't "say" it, I COPY/PASTED it from your OWN POST!

On the question of Narcissism, it runs RAMPANT on the pages of the Diner.  Just about everyone here who post regularly could be classified that way. CERTAINLY anybody running their own Blog to Blab their Opinion on everything can be classified that way, yourself and myself included.

In terms of self-awareness, watch out for that Pot & Kettle Black Problem.

Finally, dropping terminology like "Drama Queen", "Narcissistic", "Self-Absorption", "lacking in Self-Awareness" et al into ONE PARAGRAPH is Napalm of the FIRST ORDER. You KNOW I cannot let that stand. WHD I am sure will pitch his own Napalm right back atchya, but let me contribute my 2 cents to this contest.

You my friend are so deluded by Tao Koans of HIGHLY questionable Validity that your whole philosophy has the consistency of a badly Scrambled Omellette. You consistently make arguments you backtrack on, and you don't remember well what you yourself JUST WROTE. I still haven't found Jack Shit on your Blog to explain your take on Economic History from 1500 to Present Day that makes a coherent case for ANYTHING. I HIGHLY SUGGEST you drop Napalming WHD and get started writing something more coherent than "Snatch the Pebble from my Hand, Grasshopper", because if you pursue the current tactic, I have a NO CHOICE but to NAPALM THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF YOU.

CAPISHE?

RE

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Tao Jonesing on July 21, 2012, 10:30:43 PM

Quote from: RE on July 21, 2012, 09:19:34 PM

Quote from: Tao Jonesing on July 21, 2012, 08:46:39 PM

If you and WHD really find it that important to believe that I called him smug, go right ahead and believe I called him smug.  For the record, I do think he has poor reading comprehension.  I also think he is narcissistic.  I also think he is a drama queen itching for a fight that will give his life meaning (his life clearly sucks).  But ultimately he lacks self-awareness and is too self-absorbed for me to call him smug.  He's just a raw nerve oscillating in the wind of political change.  Still, if you and he both say I have called him smug, I guess I must have.

I don't "say" it, I COPY/PASTED it from your OWN POST!

On the question of Narcissism, it runs RAMPANT on the pages of the Diner.  Just about everyone here who post regularly could be classified that way. CERTAINLY anybody running their own Blog to Blab their Opinion on everything can be classified that way, yourself and myself included.

In terms of self-awareness, watch out for that Pot & Kettle Black Problem.

Finally, dropping terminology like "Drama Queen", "Narcissistic", "Self-Absorption", "lacking in Self-Awareness" et al into ONE PARAGRAPH is Napalm of the FIRST ORDER. You KNOW I cannot let that stand. WHD I am sure will pitch his own Napalm right back atchya, but let me contribute my 2 cents to this contest.

You my friend are so deluded by Tao Koans of HIGHLY questionable Validity that your whole philosophy has the consistency of a badly Scrambled Omellette. You consistently make arguments you backtrack on, and you don't remember well what you yourself JUST WROTE. I still haven't found Jack Shit on your Blog to explain your take on Economic History from 1500 to Present Day that makes a coherent case for ANYTHING. I HIGHLY SUGGEST you drop Napalming WHD and get started writing something more coherent than "Snatch the Pebble from my Hand, Grasshopper", because if you pursue the current tactic, I have a NO CHOICE but to NAPALM THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF YOU.

CAPISHE?

RE

It's "capisce"

And clearly you don't, Illargi Jr.  ::)

Yes, you copied and pasted portions of what I said, but within the larger context of everything I said, what I actually said was not what you cut and pasted.

Let me break all this down for you again because you missed it the first time.   You accused me of refusing to accept that I had insulted WHD when, in your estimation, I had.  In response, what I did was demonstrate the following:  (1)  I know how to insult people; (2) I own up to insulting people when I intentionally do so; and (3) I don't fear being "napalmed" because I have insulted people (whether I did so intentionally or not).  Dude, I've been doing this since alt.flame in the 1980s, and I truly am above it in my twilight years.  But you drove me to the demonstration, Illargi, Jr.  I was fully aware of what I was doing when I did it.  I see your Josey Wales and raise you a "Blondie."

Now, go back to how I finished the comment, read it, and let it sink in:

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I know what I said.  I know what I meant.  But what I said and what I meant are completely irrelevant once what I said hits the filters you apply to interpret your own personal worlds.  And its just as true that the fact that a bunch of people were massacred during a leisure activity means nothing to the people who want gun control, to the people who want more guns, to the people looking for a bogeyman in every human event.  Fuck the fact that these people were alive only days ago.  Their deaths give our lives meaning, a reason to speculate about how the massacre confirms what we already believe.  They died so we could live (without withdrawal symptoms).  It really is sick, and the fact that self-proclaimed doomers are just as sick as the rest of society only confirms the depth of the illness.

"Capishe" yet?  Take some time and let it marinate before responding.  I know you will attempt to "napalm" me, but the fact is that every attempt only confirms the validity of my initial criticism: that it is fucking sick for everybody to use this massacre to pursue their own political agendas.  Those corpses were PEOPLE, not confirmation of your worldview, whatever it might be.

Napalm? Tickle.  You can't touch me when you refuse to engage in a debate on the points I'm actually making.  WHD got us sidetracked.  You did your best to keep us sidetracked.  Now respond to the quoted text above.  I daRE you.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 21, 2012, 10:52:38 PM

Quote from: Tao Jonesing on July 21, 2012, 10:30:43 PM

Let me break all this down for you again because you missed it the first time.   You accused me of refusing to accept that I had insulted WHD when, in your estimation, I had.  In response, what I did was demonstrate the following:  (1)  I know how to insult people; (2) I own up to insulting people when I intentionally do so; and (3) I don't fear being "napalmed" because I have insulted people (whether I did so intentionally or not).  Dude, I've been doing this since alt.flame in the 1980s, and I truly am above it in my twilight years.  But you drove me to the demonstration, Illargi, Jr.  I was fully aware of what I was doing when I did it.  I see your Josey Wales and raise you a "Blondie."

You got me beat going back to the 80s on alt.flame, I didn't get going on the Napalm Contests online until the 90s and AOL and Yahoo Boards. However, I am a Quick Study and made up for Lost Time there. LOL.

Far as the "Ilargi Jr." characterization goes, it is innacurate.  First off, I don't BAN or CENSOR anyone who engages me in a Napalm Contest.  Second, I wait until the Other Napalm Artist throws the first Punch. I don't START the contests,but I DO FINISH THEM.

Insofar as engaging you on specific points NOT related to ad hom Napalm of other Diners, when you make such a point not couched in a Koan Riddle that actually makes coherent sense to me, I'll rebut it if I disagree with it or buttress it if I agree.  In general though, I cannot find enough substantive meat there to go either way.  Every time I read your material I feel like I am watching an Episode of Kung Fu. The only thing Meaningful I ever got out of that stuff was when Kwai Chang Caine Kicked the LIVING SHIT out of the Bad Guys. Perhaps this is a Limitation of my Rational Brain, dunno.  As you have mentioned, I may be just a bit TOO RATIONAL to grasp your arguments.

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Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 22, 2012, 02:35:11 AM

Quote from: Tao Jonesing on July 21, 2012, 05:46:41 PM

It's kind of sick that anybody would use this mass murder to score political points and push his own agenda.  Whether it's Obama, the NRA or Alex Jones, it's just sick.

Welcome to America, where every tragedy is a spectacle "personalized" to confirm your worldview.  Fuck that the corpses used to be people.  They died for our amusement and speculation.  It feels just like Christmas.

They sure can turn your stomach. Another wonderful story to score some points with MSM lice trampling over one another to get a scoop or exclusive with that make believe look of horror on their imbecilic faces as they act for the camera. 

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 22, 2012, 03:34:41 AM

Quote RE "The only thing Meaningful I ever got out of that stuff was when Kwai Chang Caine Kicked the LIVING SHIT out of the Bad Guys."

Good old Caine was just marvelous. What he could do to a bar room full of drunk bullies in a couple of minutes was mind boggling. That was television at it's finest.  :laugh:

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Surly1 on July 23, 2012, 12:27:45 PM

Nothing like a good, old-fashioned Doomstead diner bar fight . . .

Now back to the article WHD posted by Mike Adams of Natural News.

The questions remain:
1) how did an unemployed medical student drawing unemployment get the $$$ for his kit, including ballistic armor and two AR-15s?
2) How did he get the training?
3) According to available reports, this guy is on nobody's radar. Nobody's. And I guarantee you, I am on their radar for the High Crime of standing outside of banks and holding signs.
4) Why did he booby-trap his apartment, then tell the cops?
5) How did he come by the knowledge of building booby traps that were news to experienced cops?

Why did nobody fight back?
Another interesting article here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036537_James_Holmes_Batman_shooting.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/036537_James_Holmes_Batman_shooting.html)

Title: The Batman Massacre and the Redoubtable Dr. Greenbaum
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 25, 2012, 12:49:40 PM

For better or worse, the USA is the most heavily armed civilian population in recent history.  A strong case has been made that the Japanese army never attempted a West Coast invasion due to this very fact.  I am not a big fan of armed resistance as I suspect that it may prove counterproductive, but it seems pretty apparent that the Illuminati are not big fans of an armed citizenry in the USA.  So it must develop the proper fear and hysteria to allow the disarming of America without triggering a premature rebellion.

It seems blatantly obvious that the Batman massacre of last week was a psyops mini false flag for this very purpose.  As in 9/11, most of the media and law enforcement had prearranged agendas and PR spiels.  Notice the lone gunman insistence even prior to a preliminary investigation by local law enforcement and despite multiple witness testimony to the contrary.  Here is a clip from the local Fox News affiliate asking the most obvious questions.  No bonuses this year for this affiliate from national Fox News headquarters.

http://www.youtube.com/v/1jeW_-Kq7vA

What I found most interesting was the cell phone call received by neuroscience graduate student James Holmes just prior to him walking to the back of the theatre and opening fire.  Wonder what that call was about?  Maybe it was his stockbroker giving him a margin call which put him into a really bad mood?  Or maybe it was Dr. Greenbaum?

If you think the Church Report of the early 70's even scratched the surface of MK Ultra and The Montauk Project - think again.  What I find almost unfathomable is the degree of evil in certain individuals that would allow them to commit this hideous torture of toddlers.  Perhaps Pangloss is wrong in Voltaire's Candide, and this isn't the best of all possible worlds.

In any event, Dr. D.C. Hammond, a renowned specialist in Multiple Personality Disorder, gave his famous Greenbaum speech to a symposium 1992.  The information contained therein is something every informed paranoid should be aware of.  Dr. Greenbaum of course has the same relationship to reality as the similarly nomenclatured Linda Green of mortgage documentation fame.  In fact, he is often referred to in shortened form as simply Dr. Green.  The following pdf is not to be read by people with severe sleep disorders.  But it does answer the question as to whom made that cell phone call to James Holmes seconds before he opened fire - the redoubtable Dr. Greenbaum.

http://www.empty-memories.nl/science/greenbaum.pdf (http://www.empty-memories.nl/science/greenbaum.pdf)

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: WHD on July 25, 2012, 08:41:41 PM

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For the record, I do think he has poor reading comprehension.  I also think he is narcissistic.  I also think he is a drama queen itching for a fight that will give his life meaning (his life clearly sucks).  But ultimately he lacks self-awareness and is too self-absorbed for me to call him smug.  He's just a raw nerve oscillating in the wind of political change.  Still, if you and he both say I have called him smug, I guess I must have.  It really doesn't matter to me.  At this point, I clearly don't have a favorable opinion of the guy (he made certain of that with his pitiful attempts to attack me in this thread, which just emphasized his lack of reading comprehension and his inability to read people), but he wants to foster my dislike for him so he can have an enemy to focus his rage at.  That's fine, too.  I'll just ignore him , comforted by the knowledge that I bring meaning to his life. 

WTF? LOL! One doesn't need very astute reading comprehension to catch the gist of this. LOL! Tao is not very Tao, like water.   :violent5:

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: WHD on July 25, 2012, 08:54:17 PM

Quote

Nothing like a good, old-fashioned Doomstead diner bar fight . . .

Now back to the article WHD posted by Mike Adams of Natural News.

The questions remain:
1) how did an unemployed medical student drawing unemployment get the $$$ for his kit, including ballistic armor and two AR-15s?
2) How did he get the training?
3) According to available reports, this guy is on nobody's radar. Nobody's. And I guarantee you, I am on their radar for the High Crime of standing outside of banks and holding signs.
4) Why did he booby-trap his apartment, then tell the cops?
5) How did he come by the knowledge of building booby traps that were news to experienced cops?

Why did nobody fight back?
Another interesting article here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036537_James_Holmes_Batman_shooting.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/036537_James_Holmes_Batman_shooting.html)

Surly,

The only answer I see to this list, and it is only a guess, because to my knowledge it hasn't been reported, but I suppose he could have bought the stuff by credit card - but if he did, that would make the CC company something of an accomplice, and that info hasn't come out, and may not for awhile, and probably won't be reported in the MSM.

And did you see the guy in court? Can you say drugged? Death threats from other inmates, or is he in solitary so he can't talk to anybody?

As to why people didn't fight back, Anders Brejvik testified in court, as he was walking around that Island randomly shooting kids, kids and adults alike just stood there and stared at him, very much like deer in headlights. He found it "disturbing", I think was the interpretation. He killed them anyway.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 25, 2012, 09:17:09 PM

I'm going to merge this thread with the one El G started onthe Joker Shooting Event.  He has a nice MSM Fox Newz Vid in there with good QUESTIONS.

RE

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Surly1 on July 26, 2012, 07:05:30 AM

Quote from: William Hunter Duncan on July 25, 2012, 08:54:17 PM

Quote

Nothing like a good, old-fashioned Doomstead diner bar fight . . .

Now back to the article WHD posted by Mike Adams of Natural News.

The questions remain:
1) how did an unemployed medical student drawing unemployment get the $$$ for his kit, including ballistic armor and two AR-15s?
2) How did he get the training?
3) According to available reports, this guy is on nobody's radar. Nobody's. And I guarantee you, I am on their radar for the High Crime of standing outside of banks and holding signs.
4) Why did he booby-trap his apartment, then tell the cops?
5) How did he come by the knowledge of building booby traps that were news to experienced cops?

Why did nobody fight back?
Another interesting article here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036537_James_Holmes_Batman_shooting.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/036537_James_Holmes_Batman_shooting.html)

Surly,

The only answer I see to this list, and it is only a guess, because to my knowledge it hasn't been reported, but I suppose he could have bought the stuff by credit card - but if he did, that would make the CC company something of an accomplice, and that info hasn't come out, and may not for awhile, and probably won't be reported in the MSM.

And did you see the guy in court? Can you say drugged? Death threats from other inmates, or is he in solitary so he can't talk to anybody?

As to why people didn't fight back, Anders Brejvik testified in court, as he was walking around that Island randomly shooting kids, kids and adults alike just stood there and stared at him, very much like deer in headlights. He found it "disturbing", I think was the interpretation. He killed them anyway.

WHD, yup.

What do you suppose the chances are that this guy ever sees a day in court? My assumption is that the operations plan for his "suicide" has already been written and assigned.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 26, 2012, 09:54:00 AM

Anyone read (with this bar fight going) that pdf file I posted in my comment?  It makes very interesting reading and is something everyone should be aware of.  What it means to be "Greenbaumed."  Just try reading the first three pages.  The thing will blow your mind.  Guarantee it.  Most MPD (multiple personality disorder) victims now appear to be Greenbaumed.  And most of these have at least one parent in a cult organization, the military, or the "intelligence" alphabet soup.  I would literally bet the farm that Holmes was a Greenbaum victim, that the very brief cell phone call he received just before the rampage started was a trigger code, and this was all done to start another campaign for gun control in conjunction with UN (Illuminati) tyranny campaign.  And if this case ever gets to court, like Sirhan Sirhan, Holmes will claim that he has no memory of the incident, which in terms of his alpha would be quite true.  All the presstitutes seem to be blabbing about is the death penalty.  Since Holmes used an assault rifle and a shotgun, in addition to a pistol, this is aimed at more than handguns.

Please read this pdf.

http://www.empty-memories.nl/science/greenbaum.pdf (http://www.empty-memories.nl/science/greenbaum.pdf)

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 26, 2012, 10:28:29 AM

Quote from: el Gallinazo on July 26, 2012, 09:54:00 AM

Anyone read (with this bar fight going) that pdf file I posted in my comment?  It makes very interesting reading and is something everyone should be aware of.  What it means to be "Greenbaumed."  Just try reading the first three pages.  The thing will blow your mind.  Guarantee it.  Most MPD (multiple personality disorder) victims now appear to be Greenbaumed.  And most of these have at least one parent in a cult organization, the military, or the "intelligence" alphabet soup.  I would literally bet the farm that Holmes was a Greenbaum victim, that the very brief cell phone call he received just before the rampage started was a trigger code, and this was all done to start another campaign for gun control in conjunction with UN (Illuminati) tyranny campaign.  Since Holmes used an assault rifle and a shotgun, in addition to a pistol, this is aimed at more than handguns.

Please read this pdf.

http://www.empty-memories.nl/science/greenbaum.pdf (http://www.empty-memories.nl/science/greenbaum.pdf)

People interested in this may also want to check out the work of Russ Dizdar. He wrote a book called "The Black Awakening" and his website is www.shatterthedarkness.net (http://www.shatterthedarkness.net), but I usually just listen to his podcasts that are posted here - http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com (http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com)

He has a lot of "field experience" with Satanic Ritual Abuse and how it relates to MPD, and approaches it from the perspective of Christian spiritual warfare. After this Holmes shooting, he started a podcast series called Dark Prince Rising. The first 4 parts of that series is available on the website above

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Surly1 on July 26, 2012, 12:50:37 PM

Quote from: el Gallinazo on July 26, 2012, 09:54:00 AM

Anyone read (with this bar fight going) that pdf file I posted in my comment?  It makes very interesting reading and is something everyone should be aware of.  What it means to be "Greenbaumed."  Just try reading the first three pages.  The thing will blow your mind.  //
Please read this pdf.

http://www.empty-memories.nl/science/greenbaum.pdf (http://www.empty-memories.nl/science/greenbaum.pdf)

OK, El, G, I gave you three pages.

You are right. Absolutely gripping.

Will have to finish tonight. They still expect me to work, here.

Thank you for bringing this forward.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: WHD on July 26, 2012, 01:22:52 PM

El G,

I saw a first hand account somewhere, a few months back. I think I was researching the Illuminati, but I don't know where I found it.. She was quite graphic, describing in gory detail her torture, and that of others. She fancies herself a crusader now. I was suspicious, and still am, as she was implying something like ten percent of the population were tortured that way. I took it to be a fanciful narrative concocted by a madwoman, looking for attention and finding it.

All in all, I'm not sure what to think about it, other than to be aware that such behavior exists, and not to dwell on it too much. Even thinking about such things at any length is like a corruption. I'm skeptical about the extent of it; and too, it's effectiveness. I have to imagine such abuse would take a profound negative toll on the body, not just the mind, that such a person could only inevitably be made wretched in every aspect. As to Mr Holmes, it seems he seemed quite healthy and normal, even brilliant, if a little shy, to pretty much everyone he encountered until recently.

I guess I'm just not too worried about the "satanists" truly taking over the world, in the sense of torturing us all like that. It's quite effective enough to convince us that the resources of the world are infinite, to get us to destroy the earth and the species.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: WHD on July 26, 2012, 01:29:41 PM

Quote

What do you suppose the chances are that this guy ever sees a day in court? My assumption is that the operations plan for his "suicide" has already been written and assigned.

Surly,

That, or they'll leave him at the mercy of some other inmate, who will dispatch him with a broomstick or some mundane tool, to the cheers of many in America. And the question, How did he pay for it, how did he figure out how to build those bombs, will remain where it stands, in the conspiracy-sphere.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 26, 2012, 02:51:06 PM

WHD

Quote

She fancies herself a crusader now. I was suspicious, and still am, as she was implying something like ten percent of the population were tortured that way. I took it to be a fanciful narrative concocted by a madwoman, looking for attention and finding it.

You read any of the pdf of Dr. Hammond's address?  This victim sounds like the classic comic book version.  Greenbauming was certainly well under 1% of the US population when Hammond made this address in 1992.  These people can function reasonably well in society on an operational level if their alpha is reasonably skillfully constructed and the remaining Greek alphabet personalities veiled.  Of course, on a deeper level they are totally fucked by the trauma which brings many of them onto the psychologist's couch.  The MPD aspect is probably missed by the vast majority of shrinks.

The beta personality is usually trained in sexual expertise.  The specialization for this is usually very attractive women (though a gay male contingent also exists).  The women are referred to as Monarchs.  One may be tempted to assume that this referred to butterflies, but actually it was the black ops project name that first developed it.  They are used mainly for blackmailing politicians.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Surly1 on July 26, 2012, 03:14:43 PM

Quote from: William Hunter Duncan on July 26, 2012, 01:29:41 PM

Quote

What do you suppose the chances are that this guy ever sees a day in court? My assumption is that the operations plan for his "suicide" has already been written and assigned.

Surly,

That, or they'll leave him at the mercy of some other inmate, who will dispatch him with a broomstick or some mundane tool, to the cheers of many in America. And the question, How did he pay for it, how did he figure out how to build those bombs, will remain where it stands, in the conspiracy-sphere.

One of the prevailing memes being flogged in the lickspittle MSM is that he purchaed his weapons "legally." Which is exactly the point that El G made in beginning this thread-- the ostensible purpose of this op.

No one, to my awareness, has explained how he PAID for these armaments, trained in their use, learned to make booby traps, etc.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 26, 2012, 03:55:50 PM

The Dark Prince Rising podcasts actually are not very good as introductions to this stuff. The interview embedded below is very good, though. According to Dizdar, there are around 4.5 million known cases of MPD or DID (in the world, I presume?), and about 80% of these patients will talk about ritual abuse in their past. He also says a bunch of police departments across the US in the 1990's developed cult crime units, but the officers are told to keep a tight lid on those investigations because the public would panic if they found out. So, this is definitely a growing phenomenon...

Quote from: YouTubeDescription

Russ Dizdar is just a Christian, and although he has "delivered" hundreds of people from demonic possession he maintains it is just one aspect of the complete ministry of Jesus.

Nevertheless, over the past 30 years he has become an expert on Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) or Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), Satanic Ritual Abuse, MKULTRA type mind control (sometimes called Trauma Based Mind Control.)

Because of his work with the victims and perpetrators of "Cult Crime" he has discovered an "underground" that most people could never imagine exists.

He says that these "Chosen Ones" are planning for something they term "The Black Awakening" and Russ and his team at http://shatterthedarkness.net (http://shatterthedarkness.net) (his ministry website) are seeking to do whatever they can to heal those involved, rescue victims, expose and bring to justice the perpetrators, and Let Them all know of the power and love of his king Jesus Christ.

http://www.youtube.com/v/pEWD1X-47_A?feature=player_detailpage

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 26, 2012, 07:54:28 PM

Apparently, Lil Wayne's music video released 3 days before the shooting contains a lot of Illuminati/Satanic symbolism, as well as a scene of 12 skeletons in a movie theater! The guys who made this video make a lot of speculative and probably erroneous connections, but still has some very interesting (and disturbing) stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/v/xGlQODDcxKw?feature=player_detailpage

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: EndIsNigh on July 26, 2012, 08:04:12 PM

Hmm, disturbing, yes.  The skeletons in the theatre especially so. 

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 26, 2012, 08:44:02 PM

Quote from: EndIsNigh on July 26, 2012, 08:04:12 PM

Hmm, disturbing, yes.  The skeletons in the theatre especially so.

Hard to imagine how that could be a Coinkidink.

RE

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: EndIsNigh on July 26, 2012, 08:47:45 PM

Have you seen the film RE?  If not, you should check it out.  Some very relevant DOOM themes in there, including a variation of your Orkin man.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 26, 2012, 09:15:34 PM

Quote from: EndIsNigh on July 26, 2012, 08:47:45 PM

Have you seen the film RE?  If not, you should check it out.  Some very relevant DOOM themes in there, including a variation of your Orkin man.

Nope.  Back on my Slow & Bandwidth Metered Internet connection tethered to the Cell Phone.  I ran over last month and generated a whopping $150 bill. I'm determined not to do that again this month. I'll check it out soon as I get on a free Wi-Fi though.

RE

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: EndIsNigh on July 26, 2012, 09:21:09 PM

I meant the Batman Dark Knight Rises film at the theatre.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: WHD on July 27, 2012, 01:30:35 PM

El G,

I read the whole PDF you posted, when you first posted it. What exists in that piece is TAME compared to that first hand account I came across. I'd go looking for it, but honestly, I don't care to.

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They are used mainly for blackmailing politicians.

This is an intriguing idea. Though I don't think you need ritually abused women to get them to help with that - just sufficient cash.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Surly,

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No one, to my awareness, has explained how he PAID for these armaments, trained in their use, learned to make booby traps, etc.

Huffpost is reporting that he is claiming he doesn't know why he's in jail, but his jailers don't believe him. To my knowledge, no one in the MSM is even ASKING the questions, how did he pay, where did he learn to make bombs - though these questions are being SHOUTED from the fringe.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/james-holmes-amnesia_n_1709573.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/james-holmes-amnesia_n_1709573.html)

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 27, 2012, 03:32:19 PM

The amnesia just throws more support behind the programmed personalities hypothesis... in that case, though, he certainly wouldn't be "faking it", but rather he actually wouldn't be able to remember what happened.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 28, 2012, 11:41:16 AM

James Holmes Is Behaving Like Sirhan Sirhan (http://www.prisonplanet.com/james-holmes-is-behaving-like-sirhan-sirhan.html)

The parallels between alleged Colorado shooter James Holmes and Sirhan Sirhan are staggering. Both appear to have been drugged, both cannot remember the shootings they were accused of carrying out, and in both cases other shooters were reported by eyewitnesses.

Over 40 years after being convicted of the murder of Robert F. Kennedy, the weight of evidence clearly indicates that SIrhan Sirhan was a drugged-up patsy, a fall guy for the real murderer who has never been identified.

The fact that details surrounding the Aurora massacre and shooting suspect James Holmes mirror almost exactly those of Sirhan Sirhan, within just a week of the tragedy taking place, strongly suggest that Holmes is also a patsy or at the very least that there was a wider plot behind the tragedy that led to the deaths of 12 people.

As the London Independent reported in 2005, evidence strongly indicates that Sirhan was a Manchurian candidate, a victim of mind control who was set up to be the fall guy for the murder. Sirhan was described by eyewitnesses as being in a trance-like state as he pulled the trigger.

“There was no way Sirhan Sirhan killed Kennedy,” said (Sirhan’s lawyer Larry) Teeter, who has filed the lawsuit to preserve the pantry for further forensic examination. “He was the fall guy. His job was to get busted while the trigger man walked out. He wasn’t consciously involved in any plot. He was a patsy. He was unconscious and unaware of what was happening – he was the true Manchurian Candidate.”

The parallels between Sirhan Sirhan and James Holmes are alarming

(more at link above)

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 28, 2012, 11:57:15 AM

Nothing to see here, just another one of those crazy "coincidences"...

http://truthiscontagious.com/2012/07/26/james-holmes-likely-murders-overshadow-father-robert-holmes-libor-testimony (http://truthiscontagious.com/2012/07/26/james-holmes-likely-murders-overshadow-father-robert-holmes-libor-testimony)

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money."

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 28, 2012, 01:47:32 PM

WHD

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Huffpost is reporting that he is claiming he doesn't know why he's in jail, but his jailers don't believe him.

They forgot to ask his delta alter  :evil4:  Hmmm.  DELTA FORCE!  These Illuminati are so fucking clever they can hide in plain sight.

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This is an intriguing idea. Though I don't think you need ritually abused women to get them to help with that - just sufficient cash.

I have read that these beta alters have "sexual skill sets" that make them positively "addicting" to a typical congresscritter.

Regarding the story about his father, Robert Holmes, this appears to be a hoax gone viral, as the original source appears to be world class bullshit artist Sorcha Faal.    I am waiting and watching.  If it turns out to be true, and the Holmes' are second tier Illuminati bluebloods, would totally tie in with Hammond's "bloodline" research.

Now it comes out that he was undergoing psychiatric treatment by a former air farce physician who specializes in schizophrenia. Why am I not surprised?  Good thing she doesn't know anything about MPD /sarc.

LA Times

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Fenton, 51, graduated from UC Davis in 1982 and Chicago Medical School in 1986. She completed a residency in physical medicine and rehabilitation at Northwestern University Medical Center in 1990. After working as chief of physical medicine for the U.S. Air Force in San Antonio, as a physician in Aurora, and later as an acupuncturist, she completed a second residency in psychiatry at the University of Colorado in 2008, according to a resume on the school's website.

Well, if things go really sour for the Illuminati, they can always trigger his Omega (suicide alter).

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: agelbert on July 28, 2012, 08:13:06 PM

I think William Hunter Duncan put this shooting into proper perspective when comparing it to the routine genocide governments practice in wars. But wars, at present, are small potatoes compared with Big Pharma which is even beating out car accidents in deaths. And of course the distraction from reality that shootings like what went down in Colorado provide for our fascist felons in D.C. and the world wrestling match by the reptilians and the demonicrats is part of this sick, evil sensationalism too.

But the reality is this: We all need to watch what we put in our mouth under the direction of an MD because that has the HIGHEST statistical probability of killing us.

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every day 290 people are killed by FDA-approved prescription drugs, and that's the conservative number published by the Journal of the American Medical Association.

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That study, which is twelve years old -- and drug deaths have risen considerably since then -- documents 106,000 deaths per year from the "adverse effects" of FDA-approved prescription medications.

To reach this number from outbreaks of violent shootings, you'd have to see an Aurora Colorado Batman movie massacre take place every HOUR of every day, 365 days a year.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036599_gun_control_prescription_drugs_deaths.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/036599_gun_control_prescription_drugs_deaths.html)
(http://www.research.olemiss.edu/UMQuest/2004/Fall/images/deadly_pill_skull.jpg)

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 28, 2012, 08:48:31 PM

Quote from: EndIsNigh on July 26, 2012, 09:21:09 PM

I meant the Batman Dark Knight Rises film at the theatre.

Oh, no also.  I don't go to the movies anymore, along with no longer watching any TV.

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Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 28, 2012, 09:15:25 PM

Quote from: Ashvin on July 28, 2012, 11:57:15 AM

Nothing to see here, just another one of those crazy "coincidences"...

http://truthiscontagious.com/2012/07/26/james-holmes-likely-murders-overshadow-father-robert-holmes-libor-testimony (http://truthiscontagious.com/2012/07/26/james-holmes-likely-murders-overshadow-father-robert-holmes-libor-testimony)

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money."

Assuming this is TRUE (and it does appear to be so based on just short Googling at this point), then there is NO COINKIDINK here at all.

I googled this so far:

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It’s believed James Holmes acquired a large cache of arsenal after failing a key university exam leaving experts to now believe that he may have snapped under the pressure of failing to meet the expectations of his brilliant academic father, Robert Holmes.
 
So distraught was Holmes about failing the key test he dropped out of his Phd program a mere three days later having by that stage made up his mind to commit to his dastardly plan to stage a mass shooting.
 
Unable to match his father’s high expectations of him, who holds multiple degrees from Stanford, UCLA and Berkeley and currently works as a senior scientist at FICO in San Diego, psychologists are now theorizing that the failure may have have induced a dormant type of schizophrenia to take root.

Yea, OK, Jimmy SNAPS right around the time Bob is under the gun at FICO.  The odds for me winning Back-to-Back LOTTOS and getting laid by the entire squad of the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders is better than that.

So what are better scenarios?  I'm not leaning to the MKULTRA idea at the moment.

More plausible in my Conspiracy Theory on this one is that Bob has Info and the Illuminati are hitting him where it HURTS.  Jimmy is Kidnapped and forced at Gunpoint to go into this theatre, possibly tortured before hand but not the YEARS of torture it takes to create MPD.  He gets arrested for the Crime,and dad Bob getsa call that as long as he Plays Ball and keeps his mouth shut, Jimmy will get a fairly easy time in a Psychiatric Facility where dad can visit him.  If he doesn't Play Ball, Jimmy will be offed in Prison.

The chances that the Son of a second or third tier Blueblood Iluminati was taken early enough to turn him into an MPD Psycho and then Switch On his Psycho Personality at JUST the right time here seems small to me.  The Psychos like Sirhan Sirhan these programs create generally do not come from Blueblood Families.  Like "Little Nikita", such people are taken out of the general population, sometimes kidnapped as children or taken from the prison population to be "reprogrammed".

This seems to me to be more of a straight Blackmail situation and Hostage taking.  Jimmy was probably drugged heavily and really does not remember what went on at all. I do not think he is a long term victim of Trauma Based Brainwashing though.

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Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 28, 2012, 10:33:31 PM

Quote from: RE on July 28, 2012, 09:15:25 PM

More plausible in my Conspiracy Theory on this one is that Bob has Info and the Illuminati are hitting him where it HURTS.  Jimmy is Kidnapped and forced at Gunpoint to go into this theatre, possibly tortured before hand but not the YEARS of torture it takes to create MPD.  He gets arrested for the Crime,and dad Bob getsa call that as long as he Plays Ball and keeps his mouth shut, Jimmy will get a fairly easy time in a Psychiatric Facility where dad can visit him.  If he doesn't Play Ball, Jimmy will be offed in Prison.

Well... gets my vote for most convoluted and risky blackmail scheme EVER... much simpler to just kidnap the kid or threaten the father himself.

I'm leaning with El G that the rumor of Holmes' father being a key witness in committee hearings on Libor is just BS, anyway.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 28, 2012, 11:05:09 PM

Quote from: Ashvin on July 28, 2012, 10:33:31 PM

Well... gets my vote for most convoluted and risky blackmail scheme EVER... much simpler to just kidnap the kid or threaten the father himself.

I'm leaning with El G that the rumor of Holmes' father being a key witness in committee hearings on Libor is just BS, anyway.

We don't have to know that Bob is "Key Witness" here.  The simple fact that the Son of an individual who is that high up in the rankings to be instrumental at FICO is enough. What percentageof the population has that much influence?  Then how often do Sons of such people "Go Nuts" as in Blow Away numerous random people in a Movie Theatre?  THEN how often do they do that RIGHT in the middle of a financial crisis PERFECTLY timed to do everything from bollix up testimony to add to the Gun Control legislation. Man, that is a lot of COINKIDINKS all wrapped up in one nice package there, now isn't it?

Why pull such a convoluted Blackmail Scheme rather than just Threaten Bob himself? Many possible reasons, Bob might prove more useful long as he CAN still testify, except testify to what they TELL him to say.  A Dead Bob is less Useful to them than a Live Bob they hold the Sword of Damocles over all the time.

Beyond that, it is a demonstration to other potential Bob's who might consider going Ratfink that if you do, NOBODY in your family is SAFE,and they can do MORE than just KILL your loved ones, they can turn them into Social Pariahs.

I do agree it SEEMS OUTLANDISH. Nevertheless, there is Eyewitness TESTIMONY already that there were others involved. Who Openned the Back Door for him? Multiple Gas Cannisters in different parts of the theatre. If it is NOT MKULTRA, then this is the best scenario.  MKULTRA  remains low on the list because WHY would the son of a Blueblood be taken for Brainwashing this way early enough on to then be Switched on RIGHT NOW?

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Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Surly1 on July 29, 2012, 06:13:58 AM

Quote from: RE on July 28, 2012, 11:05:09 PM

Beyond that, it is a demonstration to other potential Bob's who might consider going Ratfink that if you do, NOBODY in your family is SAFE,and they can do MORE than just KILL your loved ones, they can turn them into Social Pariahs.

I do agree it SEEMS OUTLANDISH. Nevertheless, there is Eyewitness TESTIMONY already that there were others involved. Who Openned the Back Door for him? Multiple Gas Cannisters in different parts of the theatre. If it is NOT MKULTRA, then this is the best scenario.  MKULTRA  remains low on the list because WHY would the son of a Blueblood be taken for Brainwashing this way early enough on to then be Switched on RIGHT NOW?

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I follow your logic on this and tend to agree; yet in answer to the last question posed above, you should red El G's .pdf of Hammond's lecture. Absolutely chilling stuff, and it opens the door to a theory as to the "why."

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 29, 2012, 08:22:06 AM

Quote from: RE on July 28, 2012, 11:05:09 PM

I do agree it SEEMS OUTLANDISH. Nevertheless, there is Eyewitness TESTIMONY already that there were others involved. Who Openned the Back Door for him? Multiple Gas Cannisters in different parts of the theatre. If it is NOT MKULTRA, then this is the best scenario.  MKULTRA  remains low on the list because WHY would the son of a Blueblood be taken for Brainwashing this way early enough on to then be Switched on RIGHT NOW?

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My point was that the ritual abuse, MPD, MKTULTRA theory is the most likely one by far. It doesn't really matter who the father is or what he's involved in for it to work. We already know that Holmes was involved in neuroscience research and conducting experiments on altering mental states.

It also fits in very well with the facts that he was supposedly being treated by a psychiatrist, there may have been multiple people involved at the theater, he got a phone call right before, he seemed very drugged up and confused initially to responding officers, he expertly booby trapped his apartment with explosives but told officers as soon as he was caught, and he may or may not remember anything about what happened anymore.

The ultimate motive would be to provide more support for gun control legislation, but, if Dizdar is correct, it also serves as a small preview of the Black Awakening to come, where such senseless violence will be perpetrated at mass scales just to provide the necessary conditions for darker forces taking over control and establishing a NWO.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 29, 2012, 08:48:18 AM

Quote Ashvin" The ultimate motive would be to provide more support for gun control legislation, but, if Dist is correct, it also serves as a small preview of the Black Awakening to come, where such senseless violence will be perpetrated at mass scales just to provide the necessary conditions for darker forces taking over control and establishing a NWO."

Most certainly hoping you are wrong about this Ashvin. I am trying to believe that this guy is some spaced out on drugs madman with severe mental issues.

However it is getting harder and harder to accept my own initial view of Holmes. The information coming in about him seems dreamlike and not coherent. I am afraid I cannot explain the eery feeling I am getting on this matter.

One very simple thing is also very troubling to me, it's timing right before the Olympics. Realize fully that is a simplistic view, the timing, yet it keeps causing me to smell a rat, a very large rodent. Those 400 million ordered bullets keep popping up in my head also. Hope I am just a bit paranoid.     

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 29, 2012, 09:00:48 AM

Quote from: RE on July 28, 2012, 11:05:09 PM

Why pull such a convoluted Blackmail Scheme rather than just Threaten Bob himself? Many possible reasons, Bob might prove more useful long as he CAN still testify, except testify to what they TELL him to say.  A Dead Bob is less Useful to them than a Live Bob they hold the Sword of Damocles over all the time.

You don't have to kill him or his family to hold that sword over him. There are plenty of other ways to shut him up or direct his testimony, besides setting up a mass murder rampage at some theater.

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Beyond that, it is a demonstration to other potential Bob's who might consider going Ratfink that if you do, NOBODY in your family is SAFE,and they can do MORE than just KILL your loved ones, they can turn them into Social Pariahs.

I think criminal organizations have proven time and again that the threat of death to you and your family is enough of a deterrent by itself. There is absolutely no reason for the perpetrators to severely complicate the situation and expose themselves to infinitely more risk by staging a mass shooting... and then sloppily leaving behind evidence of their involvement.

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MKULTRA  remains low on the list because WHY would the son of a Blueblood be taken for Brainwashing this way early enough on to then be Switched on RIGHT NOW?

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As the Hammond speech indicates, they have this stuff down to a science after many decades of experimentation. And if we are to believe Dizdar's more anecdotal evidence, there are literally millions of these types of abused, programmed people who are ready to go at any time. I don't see why the fact that his father is relatively high up the socioeconomic ladder would mean this is less likely. Perhaps Holmes' father is a Satanist and actually helped hand the kid over for experimentation at some point...

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 29, 2012, 12:05:58 PM

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Assuming this is TRUE (and it does appear to be so based on just short Googling at this point), then there is NO COINKIDINK here at all.

Regarding Robert Holmes, James' purported brilliant, successful,  but ethically challenged father, can you find any bio info on him on the Internet that predates the shooting?  Links?

Regarding MK Ultra Greenbauming and bloodlines, at what point did you research this so deeply to form such strong convictions?

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Surly1 on July 29, 2012, 01:13:11 PM

Ashvin, I found the Hammond material scrotum-grabbing, to the point that it ruined the rest of my day. Incredibly provacative stuff.

Yet the logic of RE's question remains-- Why not just threaten the family, kidnap the kid and/or his Mom, why go the trouble and risk of shooting up a theatre.

That Holmes could be mind-controlled is clearly demonstrated; it's the WHY of it I don't get.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 29, 2012, 03:28:38 PM

Quote from: Surly1 on July 29, 2012, 01:13:11 PM

Yet the logic of RE's question remains-- Why not just threaten the family, kidnap the kid and/or his Mom, why go the trouble and risk of shooting up a theatre.

That Holmes could be mind-controlled is clearly demonstrated; it's the WHY of it I don't get.

Exactly. The only reason to go through that trouble is if the objective of the mission was, in fact, to shoot up the theater, kill people and provide justification for more centralized executive authority. If that is the goal, then using programmed personalities would be the perfect way to do it. You have someone who will carry out the mission, take the fall, and will never be able to tell anyone what's really going on. Everyone ends up thinking it is the classic case of a young, lone gunmen snapping under some kind of pressure and going ballistic, and no one asks questions.

I highly doubt it has anything to with blackmailing his father or anyone else.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 29, 2012, 03:46:24 PM

Everything that the Consortium does is multipurposed.  To analyze their tactics as "either/ or" will lead you down the wrong path.  One might attempt though to put a top ten, late night TV countdown list on their motives.  I would put number one here as a new push to confiscate guns in connection with the pending United Nations civilian gun control agreement.  Number two would be just to scare the shit out of USAcos in general.  General fear, anger, confusion, and muddleheadness is a big plus for both density factions of the Consortium.

Go to Google>news and type in "congress gun control." 

I do not have a television and refuse to watch one, but from a little youtube, by the looks of the pyramid flood light capstone fixtures surrounding the stadium thus "Illuminating" the All Seeing Eye, it looks to me like Nessie is just swimming on the surface now.  No need for fancy sonar detectors.  They just don't care anymore.  You can believe your lyin' eyes.

It also appears to me that there is a split of priorities developing between the human (Illuminati) and non-human factions of the Consortium.  The former just don't care much anymore and are thinking mainly of going to ground (or rather well under ground) in a few months to let the muppets fend for themselves.  They just want to hold the lid down on stuff until the end of the year.  The non-humans are intent on making a successful harvest.  Much of what you are seeing is how the compromise between these two play out through the end of this year.  A lot of the truth will come out (if we still have media then) when many of second tiered Illuminati discover that their tickets downstairs were a ruse - not that it matters to me much.  But they will sing.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 29, 2012, 05:08:41 PM

Quote from: el Gallinazo on July 29, 2012, 12:05:58 PM

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Assuming this is TRUE (and it does appear to be so based on just short Googling at this point), then there is NO COINKIDINK here at all.

Regarding Robert Holmes, James' purported brilliant, successful,  but ethically challenged father, can you find any bio info on him on the Internet that predates the shooting?  Links?

If there is any good Bio information on Bob Holmes prior to the Shooting, it is now being SWAMPED by all the post-shooting stuff that goes at least 10 pages deep on a Google Search.  With all the Conspiracy Theorists out there on the Job now researching, perhaps somebody will dig something up, but if they do it very well could be manufactured disinformation.

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Regarding MK Ultra Greenbauming and bloodlines, at what point did you research this so deeply to form such strong convictions?

10 pages deep into a Google search is about as far as I am willing to go to Research ANYTHING. After that, I just use CFS as my Occam's Razor.  Jimmy Holmes could be an MKULTRA manufactured Psycho, but on my CFS scale I drop this in as lower in probability than the probability it is part of a more recent Blackmailing scheme.  We'll likely never know the real answer to that question, anymore than we will ever know who REALLY shot JFK or RFK.

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Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 29, 2012, 05:29:47 PM

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We'll likely never know the real answer to that question, anymore than we will ever know who REALLY shot JFK or RFK.

What do you mean we, white man?

-Tonto to the Lone Ranger when surrounded by Native Americans.

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After that, I just use CFS as my Occam's Razor.

You gotta stop banging that razor on stones, it lost its edge.  You appear to find an impenetrable wall of disinformation, so your razor tells you that the disinformation is true?  Could be less than brillliant.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 29, 2012, 06:15:58 PM

Quote from: el Gallinazo on July 29, 2012, 05:29:47 PM

What do you mean we, white man?

-Tonto to the Lone Ranger when surrounded by Native Americans.

You know what TONTO means in Spanish I trust, seeing as you are now down in Mejico.  It means STUPID. You might also know that what "Keemosabe"comes from if you are a Pop Culture nut like me, which is a bastardization of  "Quien no sabe", which means "He who knows nothing". So you here are TONTO and I am KEEMOSABE.  Basically, Tonto and the Lone Ranger were calling each other IDIOTS every time they spoke to each other.

RE and El G
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2011/2/20/1298226867031/The-Lone-Ranger-and-Tonto-007.jpg)

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After that, I just use CFS as my Occam's Razor.

You gotta stop banging that razor on stones, it lost its edge.  You appear to find an impenetrable wall of disinformation, so your razor tells you that the disinformation is true?  Could be less than brillliant.

If the Razor isn't sharp enough, BLUNT INSTRUMENTS will do to pound down an argument.  Throw enough Rocks at anything hard enough and fast enough, you do some serious damage.  Feel free to do your Research El G. My Rock Pile of Words is ENORMOUS, and I can fling them out big and hard and fast.  This Keyboard is a Trebuchet on Steroids.  I take AIM with CFS, and then I FIRE on all cylinders.  In the end, the TRUTH comes out.  :icon_mrgreen:

Research away my friend, find and tell us what you think is the TRUTH.  Count on it though, the Rocks of CFS are likely to fly back from this Keyboard every time you do.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 29, 2012, 07:05:04 PM

You know what TONTO means in Spanish I trust, seeing as you are now down in Mejico.  It means STUPID. You might also know that what "Keemosabe"comes from if you are a Pop Culture nut like me, which is a bastardization of  "Quien no sabe", which means "He who knows nothing". So you here are TONTO and I am KEEMOSABE.  Basically, Tonto and the Lone Ranger were calling each other IDIOTS every time they spoke to each other.
 Reminds me of an old grammar school joke.

Did you hear that the Lone Ranger and Tonto have split up?

No, What happened?

The Lone Ranger found out Keemosabe meant shit head!

Sorry for the corn diners, it always was good for a laugh.

By the way Jay Silverheels, AKA Tonto, become a trainer of harness horses and a driver of same.

Just a bit of trivia.     :laugh:

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 29, 2012, 07:45:29 PM

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Count on it though, the Rocks of CFS are likely to fly back from this Keyboard every time you do.

Of course they would which is why I don't waste my time with it, even if my info were straight from the mouth of God.  It's just a game to be won regardless of the truth.  All about ego.  Speaking of which, that is why I always let you and Ashvin have the last word.  It is good for both your digestions and your dogs are grateful to me as you treat them kinder.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: RE on July 29, 2012, 08:05:47 PM

Quote from: el Gallinazo on July 29, 2012, 07:45:29 PM

Of course they would which is why I don't waste my time with it, even if my info were straight from the mouth of God.  It's just a game to be won regardless of the truth.  All about ego.  Speaking of which, that is why I always let you and Ashvin have the last word.  It is good for both your digestions and your dogs are grateful to me as you treat them kinder.

Bullshit.

First off, Watson also pretty much has given up the ghost in terms of hashing out these concepts with me, so he is in your ballpark now as well.

To my way of thinking, the only way to find the TRUTH is to keep throwing the rocks until the walls come a tumbling down.  You won't find the truth through Google searches, I can about guarantee that one.

You gotta work from first principles and observe the realities closely. I don't dispute many of the things you write, in fact I agree with many of them.  I also in fact will PUBLISH a good deal of what you write on the Blog as well.  What I find disingenuous in your material is that you spit out so much "research" from Veritas and other Tin Foil sources but will not engage me in critical argument of such "research", because to YOU this seems like an EGO contest.  To ME, its a contest of CRITICAL THINKING skills.

Step up to the plate dude.  You have a perspective here, so do I.  They DIFFER.  So TAKE ME ON or let me throw rocks at it until I pummel it to dog food.  Your CHOICE there.

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Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Ashvin on July 29, 2012, 09:03:24 PM

Another thing to note about the WHY is that the Top Brass Illuminati truly believe that Satanic ritual practices bring them powers and further their spiritual agenda, and human blood sacrifices are obviously the most potent form of ritual sacrifice. Personally, I believe they probably do gain some supernatural powers from such things, but that's somewhat irrelevant. What's relevant here is what THEY believe.

Could this shooting have also been used as a mass ritual sacrifice, out in the public for everyone to see? Possibly. This article goes into that a bit:

Was the “Batman Shooting” a Ritualistic Murder Carried Out by Mind Controlled Patsy?  (http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/was-the-batman-shooting-a-ritualistic-murder-carried-out-by-mind-controlled-patsy/)

As stated above, Holmes dyed his hair orange and claimed he was “The Joker” – as played by Heath Ledger in the previous installment of the Batman series The Dark Knight. We’ve seen in previous articles (notably “The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus” and Heath Ledger’s Sacrifice), that there are many odd and ritualistic facts surrounding the death of Heath Ledger after he played the dark and disturbed character of the Joker, a role that apparently took a toll on the actor’s health.

Shooter James Holmes even went as far as to take Vicodin, a drug found in Heath Ledger at the time of his death. Vicodin is a powerful pain-killer with morphine-like effects that is used in mind control to “dull out” victims.

Is there some kind of ritualistic connection between The Dark Knight, the sacrificial death of Heath Ledger and this new installment of a Batman movie that was “launched” with a mass murder? Is there a reason why this mass-murder, which occurred during the midnight screening of a movie called Dark Knight RISING took place in a city called Aurora, the name Roman goddess of dawn (dawn being the time where the sun begins to rise)? Another interesting fact: Aurora is considered to be the mother of the morning star, also know as the Light Bringer, or Lucifer.

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Was the Batman shooting a mega-ritual carried out by the occult elite and its mass media appendage? It is not possible to say for certain, but a lot of the information that is surfacing leads Vigilant observers to realize: “Something’s weird about this”. As it is always the case in these types of events, the “investigation” will most likely begin and end with the proverbial “lone nut”, the single crazy psychopath toward which all fingers will be pointed. Were there people pulling his strings? Maybe, but the media always show the puppets, never the puppet masters.

Some might ask: “Why would ‘they’ even want to carry out these kinds of rituals?” It is indeed quite difficult to compute these events without taking into account “their” mindset, which is all about magick, symbolism, numerology and the power of rituals. Blood sacrifices are the most potent forms of ritual and the more people who witness and emotionally participate in that ritual, the more potency it gains. Right now, the whole world has its eyes turned towards the town of Aurora. And while outraged citizens across America demand a culprit to pay for this horrendous act, the REAL masterminds behind it will just sit back and enjoy the show.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 29, 2012, 10:52:43 PM

Ashvin,

You are barking up the right tree.  What you are writing ties in with my priority number 2, written earlier today.

Emotion is a type of energy just as gamma rays and alpha particle beams are.  Humans are among the strongest emoters of any species in the galaxy, and thus of great nutritive value to parasitic beings.  4-D beings can feed on emotional energy as we as 3-D beings feed on the sunlight photons captured during photosynthesis.    The emotional energy that a 4-D being feeds on must resonate with the vibrational level it has chosen over a vast amount of time to center its awareness in, in order to be absorbed and utilized, as (to further the analogy) only certain frequency quanta of light may be absorbed by specific molecules.   4-D beings that you would call demons or devils, that many new-agers might call malevolent aliens, that David Icke would label reptilians, that Moslems would label djinns, that South African shamans would label chitihouri, etc. feed on the energy level of fear, anger, hatred, pain, violence, and rage.  Ritual murders (as well as world wars) are designed to maximize the purity and magnitude of this vibration, and when done "properly" these demons (in deference I will use your terminology) experience these ritual murders, often preceded by excruciating and drawn out  tortures, like a mainline shot of heroin.  Prepubescent children are particularly delicious to them, so we have the historical precedent of sacrificing children, often obscured by calling them virgins.  The human elite, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Royal families, Vatican, et. al.  on down (so to speak, if it's possible to get lower) that organize this at the central planning levels have practically become simple 3D <> 4D transducers for these beings.  Or as Goethe or Christopher Marlowe put it, sold their souls to the devil(s).

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 30, 2012, 03:17:04 AM

 Quote Ashvin" Shooter James Holmes even went as far as to take Vicodin, a drug found in Heath Ledger at the time of his death. Vicodin is a powerful pain-killer with morphine-like effects that is used in mind control to “dull out” victims."

Have you are anyone on the forum heard anything definitive about the head shrinker that was working on  Holmes? Surprising there seems to be so little info coming from that source or about her.

Title: Re: The Auroroa Shooter -Dark Knight Rises
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 30, 2012, 08:25:58 AM

I have a quote earlier in this thread that gives most of the data released.  She had been a physician for a few years in the air farce and she was "reprimanded" by the State of Colorado recently for writing improper prescriptions to relatives.

Title: ANOTHER SIKH (SICK) (SIC) SHOOTER!
Post by: RE on August 06, 2012, 03:48:12 PM

This time a Nazi White Supremacist Bass Player!

RE

Sikh temple shooting suspect Wade Michael Page was white supremacist
Updated 6:18 p.m. ET

(CBS/AP) OAK CREEK, Wis. - Before he strode into a Sikh temple with a 9 mm handgun and multiple magazines of ammunition, Wade Michael Page played in white supremacist heavy metal bands with names such as Definite Hate and End Apathy.

The bald, heavily tattooed bassist was a 40-year-old Army veteran who trained in psychological warfare before he was demoted and discharged more than a decade ago.

When the shooting at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in suburban Milwaukee ended, six victims ranging in age from 39 to 84 years old lay dead. Three others were critically wounded, including Oak Creek Police Officer Lt. Brian Murphy.

Page was shot and killed by 32-year Oak Creek Police veteran Sam Lenda on scene.

 Lt. Brian Murphy, one of the police officers who ran to the scene of the shooting of a Sikh temple in Wis., was critically injured.
(Credit: Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office) A day after the shooting, fragments of Page's life emerged in public records and interviews. But his motive was still largely a mystery. He left no hate-filled manifesto, no angry blog or ranting Facebook entries to explain the attack.

Page joined the Army in 1992 and was discharged in 1998. He was described Monday by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a "frustrated neo-Nazi" who had long been active in the obscure underworld of white supremacist music.

Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the nonprofit civil rights organization in Montgomery, Ala., said Page played in groups whose sometimes sinister-sounding names seemed to "reflect what he went out and actually did." The music often talked about genocide against Jews and other minorities.

Title: RE: Another Sikh Shooter
Post by: Tao Jonesing on August 06, 2012, 09:37:56 PM

The fact that the anti-gun lobby is trying to use the occasion to pimp gun control does not mean that the shooter wasn't a white supremacist bass player.  Nor does it mean that the whole operation was a "psy-ops" as Alex Jones is proclaiming.

It is a sad, sick fact that every-day tragedy is continuously spun into talking points that disrespect and impugn the dead (victims and shooter alike) to make political hay.  And the point of the spinning is to manufacture fear by falsely confirming that what people fear most is actually coming true.  Whether you succumb to the spin is up to you.

Title: Re: RE: Another Sikh Shooter
Post by: RE on August 06, 2012, 10:00:12 PM

Quote from: Tao Jonesing on August 06, 2012, 09:37:56 PM

And the point of the spinning is to manufacture fear by falsely confirming that what people fear most is actually coming true.

Its not Paranoia when people really ARE out to get you.

RE

Title: Re: RE: Another Sikh Shooter
Post by: Surly1 on August 07, 2012, 10:45:37 AM

Quote from: RE on August 06, 2012, 10:00:12 PM

Quote from: Tao Jonesing on August 06, 2012, 09:37:56 PM

And the point of the spinning is to manufacture fear by falsely confirming that what people fear most is actually coming true.

Its not Paranoia when people really ARE out to get you.

RE

Uh, yeah. Am thinking Janes Forrestal here.