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Title: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 02, 2016, 02:12:49 AM
The Frogs appear to be the next up on the Grand Stage here with their upcoming Presidential Election.  Hollandaise Sauce is stepping down after a few years of magnificent failure.  Based on the article below from the NYT, it appears their choice is Francois Fillon, another right wing jackass.  So much for the idea the Media is "Lefty".  lol.

Compared to this dimwit, Marine LePen actually seems GOOD!  ::)

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/business/international/francois-fillon-marine-le-pen-economy-france-election.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/business/international/francois-fillon-marine-le-pen-economy-france-election.html?_r=0)

 International Business
With Presidency in Play, Can France Embrace Economic Change?

By LIZ ALDERMANDEC. 1, 2016

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François Fillon, who won the center-right nomination for the French presidency, has pledged to shrink big government, aid business and face down labor unions. Credit Charles Platiau/Reuters

PARIS — He compares himself to Margaret Thatcher, the British leader who set her country on a right-leaning economic course. A French newspaper splashed him on its cover with the Iron Lady’s hairdo and pearl earrings.

François Fillon, the conservative politician who has vaulted to the forefront of France’s presidential race against the far-right National Front leader Marine Le Pen, is vowing to make France’s economy great again. Campaigning on fears of a country in decline, he has pledged “shock therapy” to liberalize the economy, à la Mrs. Thatcher, through a program of shrinking big government, aiding business and facing down France’s powerful labor unions.

His brash talk has raised concerns about a radical shift from French traditions, while reviving a perennial question: Can France actually be reformed?

“The short answer is yes, but not so ambitiously,” said Mujtaba Rahman, the managing director for Europe at Eurasia Group, a political risk consultancy. “The French love economic reform in theory. They hate it in practice once they understand what it means.”
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While the French economy has become more open and competitive in recent decades, resistance breaks out almost anytime the government tries to reshape France’s way of life, especially the vaunted social model, designed to protect citizens from the ravages of the free market. When the focus is on whittling hard-fought human and worker rights — a concept whose roots reach back to the French Revolution — tensions can boil over.

Thousands of demonstrators took to the streets this year when President François Hollande sought to loosen labor laws to stoke employment, proposals that do not go as far as Mr. Fillon wants. Garbage piled up on sidewalks. Oil refineries were blockaded. Banks were defaced and police cars were firebombed. In the end, Mr. Hollande’s Socialist government forced the measures through by special decree.

With his approval ratings at record lows, Mr. Hollande announced on Thursday that he would not seek a second term, the first postwar French president to do so.

If elected in May, Mr. Fillon will probably face a similar showdown as he seeks government cuts and deeper labor overhauls while the economy is weak. “France’s social model is broken,” he said on the campaign trail. “Sometimes you just need to pull the house down and rebuild it.”

His most bitter medicine involves shrinking a government that accounts for more than half of the country’s economy, by cutting 500,000 Civil Service jobs and slashing 100 billion euros in spending over five years. To enhance competitiveness, he wants to weaken labor union power, kill the infamous 35-hour workweek, cut corporate taxes and distill France’s 3,400-page labor code to 150 pages.

Much of that will not be easy to carry out. Mr. Fillon will face opposition on austerity from Socialist and National Front lawmakers in Parliament. Heightened security after the terrorist attacks in France will add pressure not to include police and hospital workers in Civil Service reductions. And his ambitious plans for helping businesses are likely to bring unions and workers back out into the streets.

“At the smallest sign of change, there’s protest,” said Philippe Plantier, the founder of Travaux Grande Hauteur, a midsize industrial cleaning company near Aix-en-Provence, in southern France. He is one of thousands of businessmen across France who hope that Mr. Fillon, if elected, will stand firm in the face of almost certain strike action.

“As an employer, anything that will streamline the labor code and get rid of the 35 hours would help create jobs,” Mr. Plantier said. “We need to liberate this economy, Anglo-Saxon style, if France is to be competitive.”

In the sluggish economy, his orders fell this summer for cleaning big industrial structures, like bridges and cement factories. Mr. Plantier moved to lay off several of his more than 50 employees to adjust for declining income.

But the workers sued to block the layoffs and sought more than €100,000 in damages. “When you hire someone in France, it’s for life,” he said.
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French politicians, and the French people, agree that the economy needs repairing.

Since France emerged from a recession in 2010 after Europe’s debt crisis, growth has languished below 2 percent annually. Unemployment is stuck around 10 percent, more than twice the rate in Germany. Nearly a quarter of young people are without work, and many of the new jobs being created are on precarious temporary contracts.

France is, of course, still a rich country. It has the second-largest economy in the eurozone behind Germany’s, scores of world-class multinational companies and a stream of international investment. Yet there remains a heated debate about how to improve growth.

The Socialist party now in power did little to invigorate the economy. It is divided and weak, and will be in more disarray with Mr. Hollande’s resignation. Other possible contenders on the left include Emmanuel Macron, a young, reformist former economy minister, who wants what he calls an “Uber-ization” of the economy to stoke innovation, an idea that would also dilute worker security.

Ms. Le Pen’s program is more populist, keeping the retirement age at 60, enhancing labor protections and raising the minimum wage. She would spurn international trade deals, and promises a national referendum on “Frexit,” a reference to a French exit from the European Union, after Britain’s departure vote this summer.

Economists say those plans are unsustainable. But Ms. Le Pen is betting that voters are more worried by Mr. Fillon’s Thatcheresque vision for the country. And the election of Donald J. Trump in the United States has given a lift to populists like Ms. Le Pen.

“People are going to realize that he wants to fire 500,000 civil servants, scrap the 35-hour workweek, cut social security and raise the sales tax,” Florian Philippot, vice president of the National Front, said of Mr. Fillon. “It’s terrible.”

While Mrs. Thatcher also tackled labor rules to reshape Britain, many in France don’t buy the argument that companies will hire more if they are allowed to fire more. On this issue, France’s labor unions are able to rally support.

Philippe Martinez, the secretary general of the hard-line General Confederation of Labor, which spearheaded the nationwide strikes this year, threatened a “mass mobilization” if Mr. Fillon tried to liberalize the economy too much. He warned that Mr. Fillon’s platform was little more than a pretext to strip workers of rights while companies profited.

Although union membership in France has slumped to around 8 percent of the work force, unions still wield power and don’t hesitate to use it. Last year union members ripped shirts off the backs of Air France executives as they escaped over a fence after detailing layoffs. Union workers have also held company bosses hostage or damaged property to make their point.

Mr. Fillon argues it’s time for France to “go around the unions.”

On a recent visit to a Smart Car factory in eastern France, he heralded the company as a model for letting employers negotiate more directly with employees. Last year, workers there agreed in a split vote to work 39 hours a week while being paid for 37 hours, because the company was facing difficulties.

And where mass demonstrations have struck fear into the hearts of previous presidents, Mr. Fillon’s attitude is: Bring it on.

“I’m willing to face strikes if that’s the price to save France,” he said.
Title: The Latest: Le Pen lays out platform for French economy
Post by: RE on March 03, 2017, 02:39:11 AM
mmmm, Deep Fried Frogs Legs with Beer Batter, Tartar Sauce, Fries & Lemon Wedges!  Yummy!

RE

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-macron-calls-for-roadmap-to-fight-extremism/2017/03/02/9493c0b8-ff30-11e6-9b78-824ccab94435_story.html?utm_term=.2c0ac65db2d0 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-macron-calls-for-roadmap-to-fight-extremism/2017/03/02/9493c0b8-ff30-11e6-9b78-824ccab94435_story.html?utm_term=.2c0ac65db2d0)

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The Latest: Le Pen lays out platform for French economy
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Independent centrist presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron addresses the media during a press conference held in Paris, Thursday, March 2, 2017. With just 52 days left before French voters choose their president, the man leading polls is only now releasing his campaign platform. (Christophe Ena/Associated Press)

By Associated Press March 2 at 4:54 PM

PARIS — The Latest on the French presidential election campaign (all times local):

9:25 p.m.

French far-right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen envisions the protective hand of the state guiding a reordered economy that punishes companies that fail to serve the interests of the nation and rewards those that put France first.

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In a speech on Wednesday, Le Pen laid out the nationalist policies based on “economic patriotism” that would be put enacted if she wins the two-round presidential election.

They include a tax of up to 35 percent for French companies that produce their goods elsewhere then reimport them. Companies that respect the made-in-France label end-to-end would be compensated.

To create jobs, Le Pen wants to make the “reconquest” of French markets a priority.

She said: “No country has ever succeeded in building its industry without protecting it.”

Le Pen, who is currently jockeying for the top spot in polls with independent centrist Emmanuel Macron, also wants to pull France out of the European Union and the euro currency.

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8:50 p.m.

Police officials say authorities searched the Paris home of French presidential candidate Francois Fillon in an investigation into parliamentary jobs for his family members.

Two police officials said the search was carried out Thursday morning. The officials, who were not authorized to publicly comment on the investigation, would not provide further details.

Lawyers for Fillon and his wife Penelope would not comment on the search.

In a campaign rally in Nimes in southern France on Thursday night, Fillon said, “My life has been put to the test in recent weeks” and is being “dissected” because of the jobs allegations.

Fillon is struggling to keep his conservative party together amid discord over his decision to continue his campaign despite facing preliminary charges in the jobs investigation.

He denies wrongdoing in the case, in which he’s accused of arranging taxpayer-funded jobs for his wife and two of his children that they never did.

“Standing before you is a fighter,” he told the cheering crowd.

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Associated Press Writer Angela Charlton prepared this report.

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7:05 p.m.

French conservative Francois Fillon’s presidential bid is hitting new trouble, with more defections from his campaign because of pending corruption charges against him.

The campaign treasurer and three legislators from his Republicans party announced Thursday they are quitting his campaign, amid growing pressure for Fillon to step down in favor of someone else.

Treasurer Gilles Boyer tweeted his departure, while legislators Benoist Apparu, Edouard Philippe and Christophe Bechu said in a statement that the campaign has taken a turn “incompatible” with their political vision. They’re particularly angry that Fillon initially said he would step down if charged, but decided Wednesday to maintain his candidacy even though he’s been summoned to face charges March 15.

Fillon denies the accusations, which center on allegations that he arranged taxpayer-funded jobs for his family that they never performed.

Others are also reportedly quitting the campaign, mainly those who supported staunchly conservative Fillon’s more moderate rival Alain Juppe in last year’s primary. Juppe was runnerup, but has said he doesn’t want to run in Fillon’s place.

Fillon’s supporters meanwhile plan a rally near the Eiffel Tower on Sunday that they hope will help hold the campaign together.

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3:00 p.m.

France’s minister of culture says a rise in ultra-nationalism in France will negatively impact the prized French fashion industry that relies strongly on foreign talent.

Audrey Azoulay told The Associated Press outside the Chloe show in Paris Thursday that a “populist power” like the National Front, which wants France to exit the EU, would be “absolutely incompatible with the idea of fashion and freedom.”

Azoulay added “a lot of our great fashion designers come from elsewhere.”

National Front leader Marine Le Pen, who’s leading in polls for the April-May elections, has campaigned in favor of leaving the EU and against immigration.

Each season hundreds of fashion industry workers with EU passports travel to Paris without visas because of the EU freedom of movement rules.

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1:15 p.m.

French independent presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron says he wants tight security cooperation with the U.S. despite his ideological differences with Donald Trump.

Macron on Thursday called Trump’s skepticism toward the Paris Agreement to fight global warming “a deep mistake” and expressed opposition to proposed U.S. protectionist trade measures.

But he said he would ask Trump to respect decades of French-US security alliances, most notably in recent times fighting the Islamic State group.

Macron, who presented his platform Thursday in Paris, wants to cut the number of lawmakers, introduce term limits and ban officials from hiring family members.

He said he would lead a “demanding” policy toward Russia, but that could involve easing sanctions if Russia fulfills promises under European-brokered efforts to seek peace in eastern Ukraine.

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12:05 p.m.

The European Parliament has voted to lift French far-right leader Marine Le Pen’s immunity from prosecution.

The legislature voted by a broad majority in Brussels on Thursday to clear the way for the possible prosecution of Le Pen over her tweets of gruesome images of violence by Islamic State extremists. Le Pen, a leading candidate in this year’s French presidential election, posted them in response to a journalist who drew an analogy between her anti-immigration National Front party and IS extremists.

Le Pen was trying to show the difference between the two groups but the effort backfired, drawing widespread condemnation. The French interior minister accused her of fomenting Islamic State propaganda.

Le Pen, in addition to being the leader of France’s far-right National Front party, is also a lawmaker with the European Parliament.

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11:25 a.m.

Amid growing French political scandals, centrist presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron wants to shrink the size of parliament, introduce term limits — and ban officials from hiring their family members.

In releasing his presidential platform Thursday, he said he wants to “eradicate conflicts of interest.”

Two of Macron’s chief rivals for the April-May two-round vote — conservative Francois Fillon and far-right leader Marine Le Pen — are facing corruption investigations. Macron, a 39-year-old who has never held elected office, is presenting himself as a fresh face without political baggage.

His platform calls for cutting the size of both houses of parliament by a third, banning lawmakers from consulting activity and banning all officials from employing family members.

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11:20 a.m.

Centrist French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron says the remaining 27 European Union members must vigorously defend their single market in talks with Britain on its exit.

Macron, in presenting his platform Thursday, also urged efforts to reinvigorate the eurozone and closer European cooperation. He said the EU cannot survive “without a real European strategy” and called for a “new impulse for the single market.”

Far-right candidate Marine Le Pen wants to pull France out of the EU and eurozone, and there has been growing anti-EU sentiment in many countries since Britain’s vote to leave.

Polls suggest Macron and Le Pen may face off in the May 7 presidential runoff.

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11:10 a.m.

Independent French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron wants an international “roadmap” to better fight Islamic extremism from the Mideast to Africa.

In releasing his presidential platform Thursday, Macron also called for increased military spending to 2 percent of GDP — as U.S. and other NATO allies have long demanded.

He would hire 10,000 more police and create 15,000 more places in prison and boost efforts to improve relations between police and minority youths in poor suburbs.

Macron’s critics on the right have called him too soft on security. Polls suggest he could face far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who has made fighting Islamic extremism central to her campaign, in the May 7 presidential runoff.

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8:20 a.m.

With just 52 days left before French voters choose their president, the man leading polls is only now releasing his campaign platform.

Until now, Emmanuel Macron has risen to popularity largely based on what he is not - he’s neither left nor right, he has no party, and he’s the only top contender not facing corruption investigations.

Macron lays out his platform Thursday on an upswing, as pressure mounts on conservative rival Francois Fillon, facing charges that he arranged taxpayer-funded jobs for his family that they never performed.

Denying wrongdoing, Fillon vowed Wednesday to pursue his candidacy even if he’s charged, but is now struggling to keep his party from falling apart.

Polls suggest Macron and far-right leader Marine Le Pen will be the top two vote-getters in the April 23 first round and advance to the May 7.

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Title: French Election Fraud? Will Macron be Able to Form a Government?
Post by: RE on May 11, 2017, 01:22:35 AM
More from The Saker Peter Koenig.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/french-election-fraud-will-macron-be-able-to-form-a-government/5589262 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/french-election-fraud-will-macron-be-able-to-form-a-government/5589262)

French Election Fraud? Will Macron be Able to Form a Government?
By Peter Koenig
Global Research, May 09, 2017
Region: Europe
Theme: Police State & Civil Rights


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The final tally is Emmanuel Macron 66% against 34% for Marine Le Pen, a historic landslide never seen in France’s recent past. Many have voted for Macron because it meant a vote against Le Pen. They were scared. The massive fear-mongering propaganda against her was successful. The choice was clearly between the Devil and Lucifer, and the vast majority voted for Lucifer. He is slyer. He is killing slowly with a smile, vs. Le Pen’s outspoken, confrontational approach. He does it by continuously administering small doses of poison. Taking over the economy from the 99% for the 1%. It’s the old salami tactic, in new clothes. It’s a fascist economy. People don’t notice until it’s too late.

Voter participation has drastically declined since the two previous times, with 65% compared to 72% in 2012 and 75% in 2007. It shows that many disenchanted French have abstained. Intentional abstentions and non-voters accounted for 35%, a record in over 50 years. With 66% of actual voters casting their ballot for Macron, he has actually obtained just slightly above 40% of the eligible voters’ approval, not discounting all those whose vote was a vote against Le Pen. Some estimates conclude it could be as high as 15% – which would leave Macron with a mere 25% of real votes, as compared to the total of eligible French voters. If that’s the making of a President in a key European country, then we are headed for deep dark trouble.

One of the key phrases Macron voiced in his victory speech was that France will be first in line in fighting ‘terrorism’ – in clear text, the militarization of France and by extension of Europe, will continue.

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This will bode well with the semi-clandestine effort underway by Germany’s Bundeswehr to train German and NATO troops for war-like offensives against western cities. The project, largely unreported, has been going on since at least 2012. It involves building in Germany’s north-eastern federal state of Saxony-Anhalt an entire ghost town, where German and NATO troops will train to fight and suppress possible social upheavals in western European cities. The camp, budgeted at several hundred million euros, is expected to be ready for training by 2018. The idea is not new. It’s a copy of what’s already going on for years in the US. Clandestine military hubs around ‘vulnerable’ cities, like Chicago, New York, Los Angeles – and more, are in full swing.

Election fraud is difficult to prove. But circumstantial evidence clearly points to electoral “irregularities”. First, the traditional two-party system was purposefully eviscerated and the country was divided into four groups. There were the old-style Republicans and Socialists, represented by François Fillon and Benoît Hamon. Until a few weeks ago, Marine Le Pen from the extreme right-wing National Front was leading all polls. Mr. Fillon came in second. Then a suddenly floated scandal about his wife’s cashing in huge amounts of public money in the form of remunerations for work she had not done, decimated his popularity. Was this part of the game plan?

Both candidates, Fillon and Le Pen, had politically similar positions, except that Le Pen, whom the media called demeaningly a populist, campaigned for FREXIT, exit from the euro and from NATO. All very popular ideas. Let’s face it, 80% of the French want a referendum on FREXIT. Jean-Luc Mélenchon of ‘France insoumise’, had and has a terrific program for a socially and politically independent France, regaining sovereignty from Brussels and exiting NATO, and a France with a direct Democracy. He calls it the 6th Republic. He consistently ran on the left, but didn’t break ground in 2012. In the last few months, his quick wit and modern campaign technology (hologram speeches at several locations simultaneously) suddenly attracted a lot of followers, especially among the young and students, as well as those disenchanted with the socialist party. He ascended quickly to the top, outranking François Fillon, second only to Le Pen. But a run-off Mélenchon – Le Pen was unthinkable for the powers in Washington and Brussels. The dangers of a Mélenchon win were real.

Then came the meteoric rise out of nowhere by the youthful, 39-year-old Emmanuel Macron, with his non-party political movement “En Marche” (On the Move). The former Rothschild investment banker, never held any elected office, was catapulted in 2014 into the post of Minister of Economy, where he pushed through the controversial and unpopular “Macron Law”, largely a deregulation of industry and service sectors against the interests of labor. Mr. Macron, despite his self-given label of a ‘centrist’, represents the interests of the banksters and of Big Business. He is also a staunch friend of Washington and Brussels, defending the un-defendable euro and European Union. That’s what the elite, the world’s Deep State, wants.

Going into the first round of elections on 23 April, the country was divided into four voter segments, with the front runners Le Pen, Macron, Mélenchon and Fillon clustered closely together. This reminds of the 2015 / 2016 Spanish elections – “divide to conquer” – a division from an essentially two-party system into four parties. The Spanish ‘election’ eventually ended up in a parliamentary coup to make sure Mariano Rajoy, the neoliberal right-winger, would continue the Spanish austerity oppression of the working class, despite a vast majority of Spaniards, with a 23% unemployment rate, being against Rajoy –

see http://www.globalresearch.ca/spain-the-dice-are-cast-another-parliamentary-coup-instigated-from-outside/5553699. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/spain-the-dice-are-cast-another-parliamentary-coup-instigated-from-outside/5553699.)

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François Fillon, Marine Le Pen, Emmanuel Macron, Jean-Luc Mélenchon

To avoid a similar fiasco, the French election had to be ‘decided’ in the first round, in as much as Fillon and Mélenchon needed to be discarded from the second round, to make sure Macron would confront Le Pen. This was the easiest gamble to have Macron win.

And so it happened. With a massive and well targeted media campaign, very likely using the Cambridge Analytica model of mind manipulation, as was applied to make Trump President –

see http://www.globalresearch.ca/mind-manipulations-to-influence-election-results/5566894 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/mind-manipulations-to-influence-election-results/5566894) –

And to bring about Brexit, Macron became a front runner, barely outranking Le Pen in the first round, with Fillon and Mélenchon coming in third and fourth on 23 April. That Mélenchon after the first round ended up fourth, with a paper-thin margin behind the scandal-plagued Fillon, is not an accident. Ballot fraud is very likely and has, in fact, been detected by Mélenchon’s people. Had he come in as third, he might have contested the thin margin between him and Macron and asked for a recount. So, he had to be ‘pushed’ back to number four. As such, a recount was not likely.

Whoever would like to understand how elections are made these days, not only in developing countries, but also in our wester so-called democracies should read this

– https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy?CMP=share_btn_tw (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy?CMP=share_btn_tw) .

It provides a deep look into who is running the world and with what intent. There is not a shred left of DEMOCRACY. It’s mind control and mind manipulation to the extreme. It is very likely that France did not escape this soft, but super-sharp behind the scene technology.

Macron has now 5 years to continue – and speed up – the work of his predecessor, Hollande: more austerity for the average French, more tax breaks for the Corporate Lords and the rich, more militarization of France and Europe – and especially keep following Brussels’ and Washington’s dictates.

Without arbitrating whether Macron or Le Pen should have won the elections – is this massive media – and Silicone Valley – manipulation for the candidate that clearly defends Big Business, the corrupt EU Brussels construct and the unsustainable, fraudulent European currency, the euro – and membership in NATO – ethically correct? All of it serves the interests of giant corporations and the war mongering on Russia’s borders, against the interests of the people. With today’s neoliberal laws that defy any moral standards as long as they benefit the rich and powerful, it is difficult to say whether the method is legal. Is it legitimate to lie and use mind control tactics to attain a socially indefensible and unjust objective? Or is it an outright criminal act? Let our conscience be the judge.

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However, the game is not over yet. There will be two rounds of legislative elections in June. At this point, Mr. Macron will have a hard time forming a government. His movement (not a party), “En Marche”, is new and not established well-enough to gain necessarily enough parliamentary seats to govern. Therefore, a coalition, or as the French call it, a ‘Cohabitation’, is a possibility. With whom? With Le Pen’s Front National, with Fillon’s traditional right wing Republicans? – Or with Mélenchon’s ‘France insoumise’? Le Pen and Mélenchon will likely increase their seats in Parliament. A three-way fairly even split – Macron – Mélenchon – Le Pen – has been suggested by several analysts.

With whom Macron will ’cohabitate’ is anybody’s guess.

The three-way split scenario might leave Macron in a deadlock, unable to form a government. Would that bring about new elections à la Spain? – And if mind control doesn’t work well-enough, end up in a Parliamentary coup, where votes and alliances may be traded, not to say ‘bought’ – to eventually propel the Luciferian Deep State’s darling, Macron, into the Presidency?

Peter Koenig is an economist and geopolitical analyst. He is also a former World Bank staff and worked extensively around the world in the fields of environment and water resources. He lectures at universities in the US, Europe and South America. He writes regularly for Global Research, ICH, RT, Sputnik, PressTV, The 4th Media (China), TeleSUR, The Vineyard of The Saker Blog, and other internet sites. He is the author of Implosion – An Economic Thriller about War, Environmental Destruction and Corporate Greed – fiction based on facts and on 30 years of World Bank experience around the globe. He is also a co-author of The World Order and Revolution! – Essays from the Resistance.

The original source of this article is Global Research
Copyright © Peter Koenig, Global Research, 2017
Title: Did Macron Really Win in France? You’ll Know in June
Post by: RE on May 12, 2017, 01:58:08 AM
Ar least the FSoA isn't the only country with political problems!  :icon_sunny:

Misery loves company.

RE

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-11/did-macron-really-win-in-france-you-ll-know-in-june (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-11/did-macron-really-win-in-france-you-ll-know-in-june)

Did Macron Really Win in France? You’ll Know in June
“We could be headed toward an ungovernable situation.”
by Gregory Viscusi
, Helene Fouquet
, and Marc Champion
May 11, 2017, 2:00 PM AKDT
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On the evening of May 7, Emmanuel Macron took the stage at a boisterous celebration in the courtyard of the Louvre in Paris. At 39, he’d just become the youngest person to win the French presidency, and with Beethoven’s Ode to Joy blaring from loudspeakers, he thanked thousands of supporters for backing him in the hard-fought campaign. A few hours earlier, his far-right, nationalist rival, Marine Le Pen, stood before a more somber—but raucously defiant—crowd at a restaurant on the eastern flank of Paris to concede the race. Then well before midnight, both Macron and Le Pen went off the radar. The election was finally over, and the candidates looked drawn and exhausted after months of interviews, speeches, debates, and rallies.

The next morning, the first order of business for the two camps: more campaigning. On June 11, French voters will return to the polls for legislative elections, followed by a runoff a week later for districts where no candidate wins outright—typically most of them. While the president’s party often gains a majority or a strong plurality in the National Assembly, this year things look different. For the first time, France’s two main parties were absent from the second round of the presidential election, and they’re seeking to use the legislative vote to bounce back. Macron, meanwhile, has never held elected office. He founded his party just over a year ago and has little on-the-ground infrastructure to field candidates or get voters to the polls. “Macron’s biggest challenge is to win the battle for Parliament,” says Dominique Reynié, a politics professor at Sciences Po university in Paris. “Without a majority, he’d have only limited power.”

On the day after the election, Macron’s party said it would change its name from En Marche! (On the Move!) to La République en Marche! to reflect that it’s no longer a personal vehicle for its leader. Macron, who is scheduled to be sworn in on May 14, has vowed to compete in each of France’s 577 constituencies, and the party said it would announce a full slate of names on May 11. Before the second round of the presidential election, polling group OpinionWay S.A.S. published a survey suggesting Macron’s party would fall just short of a majority in the assembly, so he’d probably need to form a coalition with either the center-right Republicans or the Socialists. An Ipsos poll on May 8 said 61 percent of voters don’t want Macron to win a majority in Parliament, because much of his support in the second round was from people more interested in keeping Le Pen out of office than in endorsing his program. “I don’t see a clear majority emerging,” says Jérôme Fourquet, head of the opinion department at polling house Ifop SA. “We could be headed toward an ungovernable situation.”

Although Le Pen trailed Macron by 30 percentage points, she garnered more than 10 million votes, the National Front’s best showing ever. In her concession speech, Le Pen said France had undergone “a recomposition of political life” that had made the National Front the primary opposition party. That may be something of an exaggeration, as it now has just two seats in Parliament, and it’s unlikely to see sufficient gains to wield real power: Ipsos projects the party will capture at best a couple dozen seats. What’s changed is that despite its racist, anti-Semitic roots, the party is no longer a pariah. “The whole system ganged up on us,” says Franck Briffaut, a National Front member and mayor of Villers-Cotterêts, a town of 10,000 about an hour and a half north of Paris. “We got to the second round. That was a victory in itself.”

Opponents of the National Front fret that if Macron can’t deliver meaningful change, this year’s setback may just be a bump in the road to a Le Pen presidency in 2022. That’s assuming she doesn’t succumb to a challenge within the party. Although French voters rejected her as too extreme, Le Pen wasn’t extreme enough for core supporters who have questioned her decision to run an anti-European Union campaign rather than focus on the National Front’s traditional themes of immigration and security. While there’s no clear challenger today, old-timers have said they want to return to the days when the movement was led by Le Pen’s father, Jean-Marie. “Terrorism, unemployment, and Trump—the environment was so favorable, so favorable,” says Jean-François Touzé, a former senior National Front official. The result was “a total failure.”

Macron has been unabashedly pro-Europe in the face of Le Pen’s nationalism and proposals to ditch the euro and return to the franc. With unemployment at 10 percent overall and more than twice that for young people, he understands he must deliver on the economy. To get things moving, Macron has proposed cutting corporate tax rates to the European average of 25 percent, from 33 percent; making it easier to fire workers and cheaper to hire them; loosening collective bargaining rules; and making the social security net and pension system more fair. Le Pen voters “expressed their anger,” Macron told the crowd at the Louvre on election night. “I’ll do everything in the next five years to ensure there’s no reason to vote for extremes.”

Several high-profile Republicans and Socialists have expressed interest in running for Macron’s party, and the Socialists have said they’d be willing to form a coalition with the new president. The Republicans, by contrast, insist they can win an outright majority, which would allow them to appoint the prime minister and limit Macron’s ability to enact his program. Macron, too, says his party can win a majority, and he hasn’t said whether he’d accept an alliance with anyone.
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At the end of the day, Macron will almost certainly accept a coalition, says Nicolas Lebourg, a researcher in politics at the University of Montpellier. Macron understands that he must push through his program or risk increasing the appeal of Le Pen or another populist, Lebourg says, and he has often hinted that he’d be open to cooperation. “That’s the idea behind all his talk about taking the best people and ideas from both the left and the right,” Lebourg says. “The French people wouldn’t necessarily oppose a government of nonpolitical technocrats.”

The bottom line: With only a nascent party organization, Macron will have difficulty putting together a majority in Parliament.
Title: 🔥 Thousands in France are protesting gas taxes — and their president
Post by: RE on November 28, 2018, 12:49:10 AM
The Frogs do seriously good street protesting.  No pussy footing around sitting down and waiting to get pepper sprayed while singing "We Shall Overcome" for them!  Rocks, Molotovs, Gas Masks, they come Prepped!

RE

https://www.vox.com/2018/11/27/18113124/paris-gas-tax-riots-france-macron (https://www.vox.com/2018/11/27/18113124/paris-gas-tax-riots-france-macron)

Thousands in France are protesting gas taxes — and their president
People in yellow vests are deeply unhappy with Emmanuel Macron.
By Alex Ward@AlexWardVoxalex.ward@vox.com Nov 27, 2018, 8:30am EST

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A demonstrator waves the French flag on a burning barricade on Paris’s Champs-Élysées avenue during a demonstration against the raising of fuel taxes on Novermber 24, 2018. Michel Euler/AP

Thousands of French police fired tear gas and used water cannons against protesters who were destroying shops and lighting fires along Paris’s Champs-Élysées this weekend.

People were protesting fuel taxes, but the demonstrations are also an indication of growing animosity toward French President Emmanuel Macron.

Nearly 20 people — including police — were injured in Saturday’s skirmish, which could cost the city $1.7 million. It’s one of the most dramatic moments in more than a week of demonstrations that have led to a total of about 400 injured and at least one death.

The protests started around November 17 when French drivers sporting yellow vests led a demonstration of 280,000 people across the country to push back against rising taxes on gas and diesel. Macron, as part of his many economic reforms, announced the gas taxes earlier this year to minimize France’s reliance on fossil fuels.

The tax will increase the price of fuel by about 30 cents per gallon and will continue to rise over the next few years, the French government says. Gas already costs about $7.06 per gallon in France.

The protest movement — known as gilets jaunes, French for the “yellow vests” demonstrators wear — has blockaded streets and highways, burned cars, and skirmished with police in response to the price hike. In recent days, protesters seem to be directing their anger at the state of France’s economy as well.

“It’s unacceptable that people do not have decent salaries, that at the end of the month, they are in the red and can’t afford to eat,” Idir Ghanes, an unemployed computer technician in Paris, told the Guardian on November 24.

In effect, the protests are turning into a large-scale rebuke to Macron’s leadership — and it’s unclear if he’ll survive it.
Why so many French people are unhappy with Macron

Jeff Lightfoot, an expert on France at the Atlantic Council think tank in Washington, DC, told me there are two main reasons Macron has become such an unpopular figure.

The first is that Macron doesn’t really have a political base. He’s a Parisian technocrat that rode a wave of dissatisfaction with traditional French political parties to presidential victory in May 2017. He has yet to gain much support outside of urban areas, and didn’t receive tremendous support during last year’s vote. So one of Macron’s biggest political liabilities is that he doesn’t have a reliable contingent of support if things get bad.

The second reason, unfortunately for Macron, is that things have gotten bad. France’s economy is growing, but very slowly. Most of the growth is centered in its major cities, like Paris, but others on the periphery and rural communities haven’t seen as much profit. “The discontent has been rising,” Lightfoot said, in part because Macron can come off as arrogant and out of touch.

It also doesn’t help that Macron, in an effort to reform France’s economy, is cutting longstanding benefits and ending labor protections. For example, he’s made it easier for companies to hire and fire employees and fought unions to end subsidies for certain sectors. That’s why some see Macron as a president of the rich, Lightfoot added, initiating changes that many of the country’s wealthy can muddle through but that the nation’s poorer cannot.

That means Macron will be in protesters’ crosshairs for quite some time, especially since he has given no indication he will bend to their demands. It’s therefore possible that some of his political competitors — like the far-right politician Marine Le Pen — can take advantage of the public’s disaffection and become the premier alternative to Macron.

That has France watchers quite nervous about what happens not just in the next few days but well into the future. “It’s going to be a bumpy few years coming up,” Lightfoot told me.
Title: 🌍 French President Holds Security Meeting On Yellow Vest Protests
Post by: RE on December 03, 2018, 01:38:50 AM
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/02/672714809/french-president-holds-security-meeting-on-yellow-vest-protests (https://www.npr.org/2018/12/02/672714809/french-president-holds-security-meeting-on-yellow-vest-protests)

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French President Holds Security Meeting On Yellow Vest Protests
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More than 350 people were arrested in demonstrations Saturday in Paris. The protests began on November 17th over a hike in gas prices.
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French President Emmanuel Macron is chairing an urgent security meeting in Paris to discuss the riots that have spread across the country, and could declare a state of emergency to contain the unrest.

The "yellow vest" demonstrations, named for the roadside safety vests worn by the protesters, started last month over a hike in gas prices and have evolved into protests over the high cost of living in France.

NPR's Eleanor Beardsley reports from Paris that more than 350 people were arrested in demonstrations in the city on Saturday, and that "police shot 10,000 teargas volleys, and used 134,000 liters of water against the protesters."

Earlier on Sunday, Macron visited the Arc de Triomphe to survey the damage there.

The protests began on November 17th, when hundreds of thousands of people across France turned out to protest fuel taxes that Macron imposed as part of a plan to reduce energy consumption and tackle climate change. According to The New York Times demonstrators say the French government "talks about the end of the world while we are talking about the end of the month."

At least three people have died in the protests since they began, all in traffic accidents caused by blockades set up by yellow vest protesters.

The BBC reports, "This is the 50 percent of the French population, that we don't really see very much. This is not those thriving in the big cities. This is not the impoverished people in the high immigration areas. This is the other 50 percent who live out in small towns, around the country. People who feel that they are completely forgotten economically, culturally, politically."

The protesters have no apparent leaders, making it difficult for the French government to negotiate or meet with them.

"It's clear that the government doesn't really know how to respond," Beardsley reports. "This sort of movement has never happened before. Usually you have unions you can deal with or leaders you can deal with." The current protests, Beardsley says, is a fluid and ever-changing movement with no clear leaders.

Extremists on the left and right, anarchists and vandals have joined the demonstrations. In Paris, protesters sprayed the Arc de Triomphe with graffiti, overturned cars and set them on fire, and smashed store shop windows.

Macron said on Saturday, "What happened today in Paris has nothing to do with the peaceful expression of legitimate anger. Nothing justifies attacking the security forces, vandalizing businesses, either private or public ones, or that passers-by or journalists are threatened, or the Arc de Triomphe defaced."

The French government says it is considering all options to control the protests and stem the violence.
Title: 🌍 France fuel protests: 'Yellow vests' pull out of PM meeting
Post by: RE on December 04, 2018, 12:50:46 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46434707 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46434707)

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Media captionFrance fuel protests: Who are the people in the yellow vests?

Protesters from France's "gilet jaunes" (yellow vests) movement have pulled out of a meeting with PM Edouard Philippe scheduled for Tuesday.

Some members of the group said they had received death threats from hardline protesters warning them not to enter into negotiations with the government.

The "yellow vests" have been protesting about a controversial fuel tax since mid-November.

But the protests now reflect more widespread anger at the government.

Three people have died since the unrest began and the resulting violence and vandalism - notably when statues were smashed at the Arc de Triomphe last Saturday - have been widely condemned.

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"Yellow-vests" are so called because they have taken to the streets wearing the high-visibility yellow clothing that is required to be carried in every vehicle by French law.

The movement has grown via social media and has supporters across the political spectrum.

President Emmanuel Macron has accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.
How has the government responded?

The French president held an urgent security meeting on Monday. Ministers said that while no options had been ruled out, imposing a state of emergency had not been discussed during the talks.

Mr Macron has also cancelled a planned trip to Serbia to concentrate on the crisis.

Culture Minister Franck Riester told reporters that Mr Philippe would announce "a strong conciliatory gesture in the coming days", without giving details.
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Image caption Private ambulance drivers protested against reforms to the healthcare system

Mr Philippe also spoke with leaders of the opposition on Monday.

Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was at the meeting, warned that Mr Macron could become the first president to give the order to open fire on his own people in 50 years.

Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire met business representatives to assess the damage caused to businesses over the weekend.

Some retailers had seen sales drop by around 20-40% during the demonstrations, while some restaurants had lost 20-50% of their takings, he added.
Who are the protesters?

The "gilets jaunes" movement began as a protest against a rise in duties on diesel - which is widely used by French motorists and has long been less heavily taxed than other types of fuel.

Mr Macron says his motivation for the increase is environmental, but protesters call him out of touch - particularly with non-city dwellers who rely on their cars.

The movement later grew to reflect a range of grievances, including the marginalisation of rural areas, high living costs, and general anger at President Macron's economic policies.

The protests have no identifiable leadership and gained momentum via social media, encompassing a whole range of participants from the anarchist far left to the nationalist far right, and plenty of moderates in between.

Nearly 300,000 people took part in the first countrywide demonstration. There were more than 106,000 a week later and 136,000 people last Saturday.
Do the protests show any sign of stopping?

Protests continued into Monday. About 50 "yellow vests" blocked access to a major fuel depot in the port of Fos-sur-Mer, near Marseille, and petrol stations across the country have run out of fuel.

Students in about 100 secondary schools across the country held demonstrations against educational and exam reforms.
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Image caption Changes affecting ambulance drivers are part of a raft of reforms by President Macron

Also on Monday, French private ambulance drivers staged further demonstrations against a range of social security and healthcare reforms they say could affect their services.

One protester told the Reuters news agency: "[The reforms] will bludgeon us financially and destroy our companies. We're going to have to fire people, that's for sure."

It is unclear whether the groups of students and health workers have directly aligned themselves with the "yellow vests".

One member of the movement, a man in his 20s, is in a critical condition in hospital in Toulouse.

He was injured in a clash with police.
Title: 🔥 Emmanuel Macron goes AWOL as protests, violence plague Paris
Post by: RE on December 08, 2018, 12:10:25 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/world/emmanuel-macron-goes-awol-as-protests-violence-plague-paris (https://www.foxnews.com/world/emmanuel-macron-goes-awol-as-protests-violence-plague-paris)

Emmanuel Macron goes AWOL as protests, violence plague Paris
Adam Shaw
By Adam Shaw | Fox News

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French students protesting police brutality and government policiesVideo
French students protesting police brutality and government policies

High school students in Paris, France are protesting against police brutality and new military and education policies set forth by French President Emanuel Macron.

As France braces for another round of violent protests this weekend in Paris and the rest of the country, embattled French President Emmanuel Macron is a missing man as his government tries to curb the chaos caused in part by his unpopular plan to hike gas taxes.

Macron swept into power in 2017, having emerged out of obscurity less than a year earlier. Espousing his own brand of centrism, he has presented himself on the world stage as a spokesman for multilateralism and internationalism against a nationalist wave moving through Europe.

While he has regularly been seen on world stages, including the United Nations and the U.S. Congress, he has been conspicuous by his absence this week, choosing to keep away from the limelight as his government attempts to deal with the issues being protested by the “yellow jacket” protesters who have protested and even rioted in cities over France in recent weeks.

Macron had initially stood firm on the hikes, saying they were necessary to combat climate change and France’s reliance on oil. But on Wednesday, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that the government was scrapping the tax hike altogether. A government spokesman also suggested on French radio that a wealth tax that Macron ended last year could be re-introduced.

The French government has said that 89,000 additional police officers and law enforcement personnel -- with 8,000 in Paris -- had been mobilized ahead of Saturday to head off planned protests, which show no sign of slowing down, despite the damage control by the government.
French students take to the streets of Paris on Friday furious at the treatment of high schoolers at the hands of police

French students take to the streets of Paris on Friday furious at the treatment of high schoolers at the hands of police (Fox News/Aurelien Morissard)

But as ministers scramble, Macron himself has been neither seen nor heard, leading to criticism from his political opponents. Marine Le Pen, Macron's right-wing 2017 presidential election rival, urged Macron on Wednesday to meet with the protesters before Saturday.

"Do not hide at the Elysee, do not ask others to do what the French expect of you, listen to them, hear them before Saturday," she told reporters.

FRENCH STUDENTS JOIN MOUNTING FURY AFTER VIDEO EMERGES OF SCHOOL KIDS ON THEIR KNEES IN FRONT OF RIOT POLICE

“Is Macron still in Argentina? He must surely have an opinion,” left-wing 2017 presidential candidate Jean-Luc Melenchon tweeted, a reference to Macron’s recent visit to the G20 summit in Buenos Aires.

According to Reuters, Macron intends to address the nation early next week. The Associated Press reported Friday that Macron has spent the week holding closed-door meetings in the Elysee Palace, with his office announcing that he would not speak before Saturday’s protests.
Riots force President Macron to reverse course on gas taxVideo

Although the government has scrapped the gas tax, the protests have morphed into a broader protest against Macron’s presidency -- which has been dogged by missteps as his approval rating has sunk as low as 18 percent, according to one poll.

On Friday, hundreds of students in Paris took to the streets a day early as a preview of Saturday’s protests after footage emerged of students on their knees in front of police with hands tied.

FRANCE SCRAPS FUEL TAX, WEIGHS WEALTH TAX IN RESPONSE TO MASSIVE PROTESTS

The students in Paris climbed on the statue of Marianne, representing liberty and reason, with some also defacing the monument with anti-Macron slogans.

Main tourist attractions like the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre, will also be closed. Tourists are advised to stay away from the protest and avoid central Paris in general.
Title: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: K-Dog on December 08, 2018, 11:54:08 PM
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https://www.facebook.com/100011197985759/videos/736790716704188/ (https://www.facebook.com/100011197985759/videos/736790716704188/)  <===  Drama.  If she were your girlfriend the make-up sex would kill you.  Go full screen on this vid!

What do they want?
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Supporters' goals are amorphous. Some want to reverse tax cuts seen as favouring the rich while others want more measures to help the poorest.

Many have called on the business-friendly president, a former investment banker, to resign.

The fuel tax "was the spark", said Thierry Paul Valette, a Paris protest coordinator.

"If it hadn't been (that), it would have been something else," he told the Associated Press news agency.

"People want fair fiscal justice. They want social justice," he added, as well as improved purchasing power.

Thirty cents tax on diesel that costs twice as much as ours sparked the protest which originated in French fly-over land.  The tax was green-washed by claiming to be needed to aid the switch from fossil fuels but nobody is buying that bullshit at all.  None of the tax money would be spent to reduce fuel use apparently.  I saw no evidence that it would have funded any worthwhile initiatives unless you call preserving the status quo a noble goal.

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Initially backed by people in small towns and rural France where most get around by car, the protests snowballed into a wider movement against Macron's perceived bias in favour of the elite and well-off city dwellers.

Macron is the kind of banker RE usually would like to see swinging from a lamp post or guillotined.  I'm surprised he has been so quiet about the current French mayhem.  People are being killed.

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In 2010, Macron was promoted to partner with the bank after working on the recapitalization of Le Monde and the acquisition by Atos of Siemens IT Solutions and Services.[39] In the same year, Macron was appointed as managing director and put in charge of Nestlé's acquisition of one of Pfizer's largest subsidiaries based around baby drinks. His share of the fees on this €9 billion deal made Macron a millionaire.

But I guess RE's silence is understandable.

http://www.youtube.com/v/3rQEbQJx5Bo?ecver=2

RE is all shook up.

But still, France is going full on Doom!


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We should not let this go by.  Comprenez-vous?
Title: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: K-Dog on December 09, 2018, 12:14:14 AM
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Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: Ashvin on December 09, 2018, 12:56:39 AM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: RE on December 09, 2018, 01:52:57 AM

Macron is the kind of banker RE usually would like to see swinging from a lamp post or guillotined.  I'm surprised he has been so quiet about the current French mayhem.  People are being killed.

I haven't been quiet about it, you're just not reading the French Fried Frexit thread where I post this material.  Ill merge this thread with that one.

RE
Title: Revolt in France: Great many protesters coming to Paris to attack forces of law
Post by: RE on December 09, 2018, 02:10:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/kQnyhdbK8wc
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: RE on December 09, 2018, 04:17:50 AM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

RE
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: Surly1 on December 09, 2018, 04:42:12 AM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

RE

It occurs to me the French have historically had a solution for oppression from above.

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Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: RE on December 09, 2018, 04:56:13 AM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

RE

It occurs to me the French have historically had a solution for oppression from above.

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Coming Soon to a Bastille Near You.

RE
Title: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: K-Dog on December 09, 2018, 11:24:37 AM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

RE

It occurs to me the French have historically had a solution for oppression from above.

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I stand corrected!

RE and the Diner are indeed on the cutting edge of this issue.
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: azozeo on December 09, 2018, 12:09:48 PM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

RE

It occurs to me the French have historically had a solution for oppression from above.

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Back in the day it was 1 & DUN....

better bring tooolz & a lunch bucket w/ cake  :icon_mrgreen:

Blades dull quickly in France, thick meatsuits....
Title: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 09, 2018, 12:20:18 PM
A Tale of Two Countries

*Tom Lewis writing with a strategic intro pic.

(http://www.dailyimpact.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/guillotine.jpg)

In the best of times, it’s a good thing to be in the ten percent. Not so much, in the worst of times.

It is the best of times, it is the worst of times.

In August, Bloomberg Business mentioned, matter-of-factly, “There’s no doubt that the U.S. economy is in a boom.” The New York Times echoed, in November, “The economy is booming, with more people working at higher pay.” The belief that the economy is “booming” has become so well established among the well established that it is now presented not as an argument, but as an aside requiring no supporting evidence. Most economists “never thought the economy could grow this fast,” gushed former Federal Reserve Governor Kevin Warsh in October.

And yet, in this same country, in November, General Motors — the throbbing iron heart of industrial America — announced it was closing five manufacturing plants in the U.S. and Canada, it was killing off several passenger cars – including the Chevrolet Impala – and eliminating the jobs of 14,000 people. This followed a similar downsizing by Ford. The economy is booming, but people are not buying cars? Really? 

On the other hand, U.S. consumer confidence rose to an 18-year high in October, driven by what CNBC called “a robust labor market, suggesting strong economic growth could persist in the near term.” A happier country than this surely cannot be imagined.

And yet, in this same country, we learned in November that life expectancy declined again in 2017, according to a bleak series of government reports that showed a nation still in the grip of escalating drug and suicide crises. Appalling increases in so-called “deaths of despair” — from suicide, drug overdoses, and alcoholism — are driving the longest sustained decline in expected life span in a century.

On the other hand, the government estimated the unemployment rate in September to be a mere 3.7 percent of the workforce, the lowest rate seen since 1969, in the eighth year of declining unemployment. At the same time, average earnings rose eight cents over the previous month. “More evidence,” trumpeted the White House, “of a booming United States economy and a strong labor market.”

Yet when the Urban Institute interviewed 7,500 people across the country this fall, they found that 40 per cent of adults reported having had difficulty providing their family with a basic necessity — food, shelter, healthcare or utilities — in the previous year. Wait, what? In the best of all possible economies, large numbers of Americans are going hungry?

How could all these things be true of the same country at the same time? Are we looking at real news on the one hand and fake news on the other? Republican news versus Democrat news?

No, it’s much worse than that. We are in fact reporting on two countries. In the country of the 10%, all is well. Incomes are rising, taxes are going down, health care is easy, and everybody is above average. Things are booming.

In the country of the 80%, however, hunger is a familiar sensation; getting sick means losing your home; a job, if you can get one, is a part-time living hell, and you need three to get by. This country, the country of the 80%, is every day more familiar with deaths of despair.

This is a country divided, being experienced in wildly divergent ways by people who have, and people who have not. And a house divided against itself, as Jesus Christ and Abraham Lincoln have pointed out to us, cannot stand


No, it’s much worse than that. We are in fact reporting on two countries. In the country of the 10%, all is well. Incomes are rising, taxes are going down, health care is easy, and everybody is above average. Things are booming.

http://www.dailyimpact.net/2018/12/03/a-tale-of-two-countries/#more-4106 (http://www.dailyimpact.net/2018/12/03/a-tale-of-two-countries/#more-4106)
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 09, 2018, 04:40:33 PM
A Tale of Two Countries

//

http://www.dailyimpact.net/2018/12/03/a-tale-of-two-countries/#more-4106 (http://www.dailyimpact.net/2018/12/03/a-tale-of-two-countries/#more-4106)
Terrific article. Brings it to a head.
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: Ashvin on December 09, 2018, 06:40:48 PM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

RE

So if the tax was actually used as investment in green energy, would there be no riots? It's not obvious to me that it matters to the people why they have significantly less money in their pockets, just that they do.
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: RE on December 09, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

RE

So if the tax was actually used as investment in green energy, would there be no riots? It's not obvious to me that it matters to the people why they have significantly less money in their pockets, just that they do.

That is an unanswerable hypothetical.  However, if the population got real financial help with the transportation issue that comes with the higher fuel prices, they would be less likely to riot.  For instance, da Gooobermint could have had a plan in place to  subsidize the purchase of EVs to replace the ICE vehicles, keeping overall costs the same for the total transportation bill carried by the working class.  The fact is these folks are at the limit of what they can afford to pay, but Manny and the Banksters want to extract still more from them.  That is why they are rioting, because of rapacious capitalist exploitation.

RE
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: Ashvin on December 09, 2018, 07:23:24 PM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

RE

So if the tax was actually used as investment in green energy, would there be no riots? It's not obvious to me that it matters to the people why they have significantly less money in their pockets, just that they do.

That is an unanswerable hypothetical.  However, if the population got real financial help with the transportation issue that comes with the higher fuel prices, they would be less likely to riot.  For instance, da Gooobermint could have had a plan in place to  subsidize the purchase of EVs to replace the ICE vehicles, keeping overall costs the same for the total transportation bill carried by the working class.  The fact is these folks are at the limit of what they can afford to pay, but Manny and the Banksters want to extract still more from them.  That is why they are rioting, because of rapacious capitalist exploitation.

RE

That's the part which is not possible under capitalism or socialism or any other ism. Any such plan will require great sacrifices from the working class in the short-term, and it looks like a lot of people draw the line at sacrificing the ability to consistently put food on their plates and maintain a somewhat decent standard of living.
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: RE on December 09, 2018, 07:28:21 PM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

RE

So if the tax was actually used as investment in green energy, would there be no riots? It's not obvious to me that it matters to the people why they have significantly less money in their pockets, just that they do.

That is an unanswerable hypothetical.  However, if the population got real financial help with the transportation issue that comes with the higher fuel prices, they would be less likely to riot.  For instance, da Gooobermint could have had a plan in place to  subsidize the purchase of EVs to replace the ICE vehicles, keeping overall costs the same for the total transportation bill carried by the working class.  The fact is these folks are at the limit of what they can afford to pay, but Manny and the Banksters want to extract still more from them.  That is why they are rioting, because of rapacious capitalist exploitation.

RE

That's the part which is not possible under capitalism or socialism or any other ism. Any such plan will require great sacrifices from the working class in the short-term, and it looks like a lot of people draw the line at sacrificing the ability to consistently put food on their plates and maintain a somewhat decent standard of living.

Not necessarily.  Da Goobermint could take out loans based on the future projected tax receipts and provide FREE replacement EVs to the population in the changeover from ICE to EVE transportation, without the working class experiencing any more pain than they already do.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: cernunnos5 on December 09, 2018, 08:13:00 PM
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE)
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 09, 2018, 08:40:02 PM
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE)

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE

RE

RE
Title: 🍟 France’s Yellow Vest Rebellion: Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité
Post by: RE on December 10, 2018, 12:50:20 AM

https://www.globalresearch.ca/frances-yellow-vest-rebellion-liberte-egalite-fraternite/5662233 (https://www.globalresearch.ca/frances-yellow-vest-rebellion-liberte-egalite-fraternite/5662233)

France’s Yellow Vest Rebellion: Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité
Are revolutions coming in 2019?
By Richard Galustian
Global Research, December 08, 2018
Region: Europe
Theme: History, Police State & Civil Rights

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There has always been a tradition of rebellion and revolution in France.

The above headline is the instantly recognised phrase that is the most significant National motto of France.

Not only the obvious famous 18th Century Revolution, but in the Spring of 1958 then President René Coty told his Parliament that France was “on the brink of civil war” related to Algeria, (another story that warrants its own OpEd). The outcome was a national legendary unifying figure was selected by political consensus, General de Gaulle, who was asked to confer with the French leadership to examine what, in the framework of ‘the Republic’s constitution’, would enable the immediate formation of “a government of national safety” and “what can be done, in a fairly short time, for a deep reform of our institutions.”

Then there were the famous riots of 1968 and so on, as there were other crises in France after that year.

Coming to the present day, the heart of the matter is the fact that Macron should never have been elected President because the manner of his winning the Presidency was and is considered by many in France to have been highly dubious and even fraudulent, hence his personal extremely low popularity.

An interesting observation was made by a French Professor, Olivier Cahn, who said “the tradition (of revolt) takes root because protests get results in France.”

These last two weekends we have witnessed the worse riots in France for over a half a century.

A consequence of such events, simply put, is that such massive popular riots can and will turn into revolutions, and possibly in other countries as well, in the 21st Century.
French Presidential Election 2017: Nothing Succeeds Like Success. Macron “Selected”. Billionaires and Bankers Rejoice

That Paris like events will be repeated throughout European cities, even in the UK; even across the world, in 2019 is now a real possibility.

I feel the people want, demand change, justice, the young in particular. They, people of the world, are uniquely connected, as in no other way in history by instant transmission of events through the internet and social media.

When for example Blair and Sarkozy, to name but two former corrupt leaders, are arrested and in Court, people will see, maybe for the first time in their lifetime, justice truly being served. That such politicians get away with killing millions of people and making millions of dollars to boot abusing their positions as public servants, is totally intolerable and absolutely unacceptable.

Throughout history people revolted due to exploitation, unfair taxes and injustice by their rulers.

Why not revolt against unpopular and unjust governments?

The great philosopher, France’s Jean Paul Sartre  said Che Guevara was “the most complete human being of our age.”

I contend Guevara was never a real communist, but it suited the powers that be then (and himself) to be labeled so. He was I believe simply an anti-imperialist – a Don Quixote figure; an idealist but nevertheless a revolutionary.

We see the revival and development of imperialism in the 21st Century which makes rebellion and taking to the streets the peoples last and only recourse.

There is a very pertinent short speech on the subject by Guevara, from 1965, only some 30 seconds long, where he articulates the perils of imperialism very eloquently. It was published recently by you, Video: Che Guevara Talks About Imperialism (1965).

http://www.youtube.com/v/n92RRrjnx60

Regime change and modern Western imperialism, particularly the American variety, is totally unacceptable and intolerable.

Also very relevant to this not only French but global upheaval is Julian Assange who represents to us all what freedom of speech truly is and what the importance of real journalism is to democracy.

The original important role of the Press was to question power and authority to keep in check abuses and lies of corrupt politicians and systems.

Good journalism was and is a necessary and critical balancer to maintain democracy.

‘Mass Media’ owned by a small elite, particularly the visual snap shot sound bite variety, are the most guilty of all – they are traitors to true journalism with very few exceptions.

So to conclude, I am not qualified to give solutions to the plethora of the world and societies problems, but I for one would welcome revolution where necessary, particular in Europe, if only to get rid of one of the most corrupt institutions ever to exist in history, in Brussels.

I believe revolt in the streets of many cities, particularly in the EU, in 2019 is now inevitable.

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Featured image: Fuel tax protestors in France (Source: WSWS)
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: Ashvin on December 10, 2018, 04:10:27 AM
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

RE

So if the tax was actually used as investment in green energy, would there be no riots? It's not obvious to me that it matters to the people why they have significantly less money in their pockets, just that they do.

That is an unanswerable hypothetical.  However, if the population got real financial help with the transportation issue that comes with the higher fuel prices, they would be less likely to riot.  For instance, da Gooobermint could have had a plan in place to  subsidize the purchase of EVs to replace the ICE vehicles, keeping overall costs the same for the total transportation bill carried by the working class.  The fact is these folks are at the limit of what they can afford to pay, but Manny and the Banksters want to extract still more from them.  That is why they are rioting, because of rapacious capitalist exploitation.

RE

That's the part which is not possible under capitalism or socialism or any other ism. Any such plan will require great sacrifices from the working class in the short-term, and it looks like a lot of people draw the line at sacrificing the ability to consistently put food on their plates and maintain a somewhat decent standard of living.

Not necessarily.  Da Goobermint could take out loans based on the future projected tax receipts and provide FREE replacement EVs to the population in the changeover from ICE to EVE transportation, without the working class experiencing any more pain than they already do.

RE

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: RE on December 10, 2018, 05:38:27 AM

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

Oh good grief.  You issue bonds and then the central bank buys the bonds.  I never said it would increase them, just that you make projections that it will.

Haven't you got it yet that the whole game is a scam?  How do you think the fracking companies stay operational?  They float corporate bonds and the banks buy the bonds.  No reason Da Goobermint can't do the same thing to supply the people with EVs.

RE
Title: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: cernunnos5 on December 10, 2018, 06:51:32 AM
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE)

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE

RE

RE
I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q)

 
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: Surly1 on December 10, 2018, 06:55:27 AM

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

Oh good grief.  You issue bonds and then the central bank buys the bonds.  I never said it would increase them, just that you make projections that it will.

Haven't you got it yet that the whole game is a scam?  How do you think the fracking companies stay operational?  They float corporate bonds and the banks buy the bonds.  No reason Da Goobermint can't do the same thing to supply the people with EVs.

RE

The difference is, corporations can issue bonds by a decision of the board. For the government to issue bonds is a matter of policy, and while we can, as a matter of policy "afford" to issue gigantic tax giveaways to the donor class and corporations, we cannot "afford" to spend any money whatsoever to benefit J6P or other "useless eaters" without vacation homes and yachts.
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: RE on December 10, 2018, 07:03:40 AM

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

Oh good grief.  You issue bonds and then the central bank buys the bonds.  I never said it would increase them, just that you make projections that it will.

Haven't you got it yet that the whole game is a scam?  How do you think the fracking companies stay operational?  They float corporate bonds and the banks buy the bonds.  No reason Da Goobermint can't do the same thing to supply the people with EVs.

RE

The difference is, corporations can issue bonds by a decision of the board. For the government to issue bonds is a matter of policy, and while we can, as a matter of policy "afford" to issue gigantic tax giveaways to the donor class and corporations, we cannot "afford" to spend any money whatsoever to benefit J6P or other "useless eaters" without vacation homes and yachts.

Well I know that, Silly Rabbit.  That is what the Yellow Vests seek to change of course.

RE
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: RE on December 10, 2018, 07:07:26 AM
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE)

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE

RE

RE
I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q)

Your subconscious is telling you things we have been telling each other on the Diner for years.

RE
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: Ashvin on December 10, 2018, 08:34:20 AM

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

Oh good grief.  You issue bonds and then the central bank buys the bonds.  I never said it would increase them, just that you make projections that it will.

Haven't you got it yet that the whole game is a scam?  How do you think the fracking companies stay operational?  They float corporate bonds and the banks buy the bonds.  No reason Da Goobermint can't do the same thing to supply the people with EVs.

RE

In the EU the central bank means the ECB. How do you think Germany and other creditor states will feel about that? Especially if they are fed some nonsense about paying it back with future tax receipts? All of these countries have budgets to meet and debt payments are theoretically a part of that budget. Which means they will have to cut spending on other social benefits for the working class.

I'm just trying to work through the complexity here. There is always a price to pay and there are always unintended consequences. It's not as simple as buy everyone EVs and the working classes of Europe stay fed and happy.
Title: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: K-Dog on December 10, 2018, 08:59:32 AM
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE)

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE

RE

RE
I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q)

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI.  Yes, nobody mentions it because we all already know it.  Politics has been a part of Doom since Doom first became an issue.  Falling EROEI will eliminate profits which capitalism depends on.  The only system less equipped to deal with doom is fascism.

I'm hoping Ashvin is through ranting about the energy tax spin.  He must believe in Santa too.  He was the only one who believed that nonsense for more than ten seconds.
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: cernunnos5 on December 10, 2018, 09:08:13 AM
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE)

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE

RE

RE
I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q)

Your subconscious is telling you things we have been telling each other on the Diner for years.

RE
I think i am going torepost this on my blog as my shortest article ever
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: Surly1 on December 10, 2018, 09:31:03 AM
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE)

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE

RE

RE
I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q)

 If you except the premise that money is really a proxy for energy, all the pieces fall together. There is another article floating out there about the riots in France being a possible preview of “American Civil War“. I don’t know about that, but it’s food for thought.

Your subconscious is telling you things we have been telling each other on the Diner for years.

RE
I think i am going torepost this on my blog as my shortest article ever
Title: Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
Post by: RE on December 10, 2018, 09:51:45 AM

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

Oh good grief.  You issue bonds and then the central bank buys the bonds.  I never said it would increase them, just that you make projections that it will.

Haven't you got it yet that the whole game is a scam?  How do you think the fracking companies stay operational?  They float corporate bonds and the banks buy the bonds.  No reason Da Goobermint can't do the same thing to supply the people with EVs.

RE

In the EU the central bank means the ECB. How do you think Germany and other creditor states will feel about that? Especially if they are fed some nonsense about paying it back with future tax receipts? All of these countries have budgets to meet and debt payments are theoretically a part of that budget. Which means they will have to cut spending on other social benefits for the working class.

The ECB buys this line when they make new loans to Greece to keep them floating.  But regardless, you simply have the French Central Bank issue the Euros to buy the bonds with, regardless what the ECB says.    Or you pull out of the EU and issue Francs to do it.  Think creatively there chief.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: cernunnos5 on December 10, 2018, 10:04:53 AM
Done. Its up and posted after some minor tweeking.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2018/12/10/doom-wares-a-yellow-vest-its-the-declining-e-r-o-e-i-stupid/
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: Ashvin on December 10, 2018, 10:18:32 AM
I'm hoping Ashvin is through ranting about the energy tax spin.  He must believe in Santa too.  He was the only one who believed that nonsense for more than ten seconds.

I'm hoping you read more carefully. I said it doesn't matter to the people what the tax is for, what matters is how much money they have left in their pockets.
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: Eddie on December 10, 2018, 10:29:55 AM
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE)

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE

RE

RE
I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q)

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI.  Yes, nobody mentions it because we all already know it.  Politics has been a part of Doom since Doom first became an issue.  Falling EROEI will eliminate profits which capitalism depends on.  The only system less equipped to deal with doom is fascism.

I'm hoping Ashvin is through ranting about the energy tax spin.  He must believe in Santa too.  He was the only one who believed that nonsense for more than ten seconds.

Lost track of the thread, but wanted to say thanks for posting the Colin Campbell letter. I think we all get what PO is, and how it works. I agree with his take, and the take that the France protests are rooted in declining EROEI.

Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: RE on December 10, 2018, 10:40:18 AM
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on December 10, 2018, 12:06:52 PM
Done. Its up and posted after some minor tweeking.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2018/12/10/doom-wares-a-yellow-vest-its-the-declining-e-r-o-e-i-stupid/


Great article C5.

One concept not mentioned that's new to urban insurrection & warfare are DEW weapons.
They've been used in Europe, Greece actually. Those Greek fires a few months back were DEW lit.

If shit gets to out of hand, guaranteed, you'll see em' used. Hope you like your frog legs microwaved & then charred.
Title: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: K-Dog on December 10, 2018, 07:45:27 PM
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

RE

When politicians actually have our best interest in mind it will be obvious.  Night will become day and day will become night.  Everything else is green-washing and indulging in any discussion which promotes a green spin, where, as in this situation; the French tax obviously has nothing to do with the environment.  Promotes propaganda.  If what Ashvin says were true about what matters is how much money they have left in their pockets then why talk about the bullshit green veneer at all?  If money in pockets is the right spin, spit it out.

My thoughts are the tax hit people hard enough so they are worried about getting the basic necessities of life.

I'll not let the truth get pissed on.
Title: French Fries for all or no soup for you.
Post by: K-Dog on December 10, 2018, 08:17:40 PM
Done. Its up and posted after some minor tweeking.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2018/12/10/doom-wares-a-yellow-vest-its-the-declining-e-r-o-e-i-stupid/ (https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2018/12/10/doom-wares-a-yellow-vest-its-the-declining-e-r-o-e-i-stupid/)

Good job.

Splitting hairs you realize that the right/left dichotomy of conventional politics loses a lot of meaning when EROEI is considered.  But going forward will resource restrictions be shared by all (a left point of view), or will the attitude be taken that a small minority continues to prosper while the rest of us become slaves to keep the fire of their minority culture burning while this minority live like gods (a right point of view).

To be clear where I stand moving towards equality promotes knowledge and understanding of the environment/resource depletion issue and this results in the best outcome.  Promoting inequity as the natural order of things will promote ignorance and this will lead to the dark and most miserable outcome possible.

(http://www.illuminatiagenda.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/hunger-games-speech.png)

We don't want this but this is the direction in which things are flowing.  Trump is sufficient proof.  In the French past five years after Robespierre came Napoleon.  If the yellow bees get control and if history is the guide.  Their reign will be brief.

True equality is of course impossible, but trying to achieve it is noble.
Title: Re: French Fries for all or no soup for you.
Post by: RE on December 10, 2018, 08:47:42 PM
True equality is of course impossible, but trying to achieve it is noble.

Only that which cannot be imagined is impossible.

RE
Title: 🍟 Macron Promises Minimum Wage Hike And Tax Cuts To End 'Yellow Vest' Protests
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 12:11:31 AM
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/10/675425153/macron-promises-minimum-wage-hike-and-tax-cuts-to-end-yellow-vest-protests (https://www.npr.org/2018/12/10/675425153/macron-promises-minimum-wage-hike-and-tax-cuts-to-end-yellow-vest-protests)

Europe
Macron Promises Minimum Wage Hike And Tax Cuts To End 'Yellow Vest' Protests
December 10, 20187:03 PM ET
Vanessa Romo  Jake Cigainero

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French President Emmanuel Macron delivered a special address to the nation on Monday, his first public comments after four weeks of nationwide "yellow vest" (gilet jaune) protests.
Ludovic Marin/AFP/Getty Images

Trying to quell violent protests across France's major cities, President Emmanuel Macron on Monday introduced a series of new measures he hopes will chart a path out of the political crisis and put an end to the anti-government demonstrations.

In a 13-minute speech from the Elysée Palace, Macron declared "a state of social and economic emergency," offering a handful of concessions to his critics, including promises to deliver tax relief for the poor and to cancel a tax increase on retirees.

It was his first public address after a week of silence, during which the gilets jaunes — yellow vests — protests continued to wreak havoc and mayhem on the streets of Paris, Marseille, Bordeaux, Lyon, Dijon and Toulouse for the fourth weekend in a row.

Macron's plan to placate the yellow vests included a 100 euro per month minimum wage hike — equivalent to $114 per month — set to go into effect on Jan. 1, 2019. He paired the raise with the elimination of tax on overtime and end-of-the-year bonuses, and he encouraged employers "who can" to give bonuses as a way of helping to solve the social crisis in France. He also rescinded a planned tax on pensions that are under 2,000 euro per month.
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These were among a wide range of demands by the yellow vests protesters, whose movement has gained widespread support after initially rallying against Macron's proposed fuel tax that was supposed to go into effect in January.
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Macron cancelled the fuel tax last week hoping it would appease protesters and put an end to the rioting and looting in many cities.

In the four weeks since they started, the violent demonstrations have caused millions of euros in damages — in Paris alone, the city estimated the Dec. 1 protest caused about 3.4 million euros (nearly $4 million U.S.) in damage. And NPR's Jake Cigainero reported the French commerce federation said businesses have lost at least a billion euros (more than $1.1 billion U.S.) in sales.

The president, who has been accused by the yellow vests of being arrogant, out of touch and committed only to representing the interests of the rich, addressed France's struggling middle class and pensioners in soothing and sympathetic tones in the prerecorded speech on Monday. He said he understands the anger against his government runs deep and has been decades in the making.

"I may have given you the impression that this was not my concern, that I had other priorities. I take my share of responsibility. I know I have hurt some of you with my words," Macron said.

Macron's move to raise wages appeared to go against advice from Labor Minister Muriel Penicaud, who on Sunday told the Associated Press, "there will be no boost for the Smic (minimum wage)," because "it destroys jobs."
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Cigainero reported that French television station BFM TV, showed yellow vests protesters watching the most anticipated speech of Macron's presidency huddled around small television sets in makeshift encampments.

One of them, Alain Bouché, acknowledged the president had made concessions but told the network yellow vest members will decide if Marcon's emergency measures will be enough to stop the demonstrations.

"If they're proposing it now, the government could have done it weeks ago," Bouché said. "So why did they wait until there was conflict and violence?"

Although he admitted he is partly to blame for the protests, the president condemned the violence seen at yellow vest demonstrations. He said calm and order must reign.

"No anger justifies attacking a police officer, a gendarme, or damaging a shop or public building. When violence is unleashed, freedom ends," Macron said.

He ended the brief speech by saying he would meet mayors region by region to chart a new program.

Then he addressed an issue that has not come up on the long list of demands by the yellow vests: He said his government would take measures to control immigration in what appears to be an attempt to prevent the narrative from being hijacked by the far right.
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: Ashvin on December 11, 2018, 04:15:25 AM
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

RE

This makes no sense - the hallmark of an ideologue is being super confident in what they know. It's idol worship - the idol being your own ossified set of axioms about the world. Paying close attention to your axioms and re-evaluating them as necessary is not ideological, which is what Eddie was pointing out.
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 04:20:30 AM
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

RE
the hallmark of an ideologue is being super confident in what they know.

That's you in a nutshell.  It changes from time to time, but once you fixate on a given ideology, you are super confident of it.  See your beliefs in Christianity.

RE
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: Ashvin on December 11, 2018, 04:23:26 AM
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

RE

When politicians actually have our best interest in mind it will be obvious.  Night will become day and day will become night.  Everything else is green-washing and indulging in any discussion which promotes a green spin, where, as in this situation; the French tax obviously has nothing to do with the environment.  Promotes propaganda.  If what Ashvin says were true about what matters is how much money they have left in their pockets then why talk about the bullshit green veneer at all?  If money in pockets is the right spin, spit it out.

My thoughts are the tax hit people hard enough so they are worried about getting the basic necessities of life.

I'll not let the truth get pissed on.

We don't disagree about that. Imagine this - the intention of the government was actually to incentivize investment in green energy and there was no green spin. It doesn't happen to be true in this case, but so what? There are certainly academics, politicians and activists around the world who believe increased taxation on fossil fuels is a good idea.

The truth that matters is what you said above - when people are worried about getting the basic necessities in the present, they will discount the future and any policies which purport to make that future brighter. Their reaction is an unintended consequence of the policies and something which must be factored in.
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: Ashvin on December 11, 2018, 04:25:19 AM
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

RE
the hallmark of an ideologue is being super confident in what they know.

That's you in a nutshell.  It changes from time to time, but once you fixate on a given ideology, you are super confident of it.  See your beliefs in Christianity.

RE

I agree I used to be an ideologue, which is why I am not very proud of my past writing. I may have gotten some things right, but it was ideological to the core and that sort of mindset doesn't benefit anyone. It does more harm than good.
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 04:29:32 AM
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

RE
the hallmark of an ideologue is being super confident in what they know.

That's you in a nutshell.  It changes from time to time, but once you fixate on a given ideology, you are super confident of it.  See your beliefs in Christianity.

RE

I agree I used to be an ideologue, which is why I am not very proud of my past writing. I may have gotten some things right, but it was ideological to the core and that sort of mindset doesn't benefit anyone. It does more harm than good.

Once an ideologue, always an ideologue.  See your beliefs in Christianity.

RE
Title: Re: French Fries for all or no soup for you.
Post by: Ashvin on December 11, 2018, 04:31:22 AM
True equality is of course impossible, but trying to achieve it is noble.

Why? The fact that reducing excessive inequality is good does not mean trying to achieve "true" equality is noble. Trying to achieve it is deadly, and when a theory about the world proves to be fatal, it should be abandoned.
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: Ashvin on December 11, 2018, 04:32:39 AM
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

RE
the hallmark of an ideologue is being super confident in what they know.

That's you in a nutshell.  It changes from time to time, but once you fixate on a given ideology, you are super confident of it.  See your beliefs in Christianity.

RE

I agree I used to be an ideologue, which is why I am not very proud of my past writing. I may have gotten some things right, but it was ideological to the core and that sort of mindset doesn't benefit anyone. It does more harm than good.

Once an ideologue, always an ideologue.  See your beliefs in Christianity.

RE

I'm including my beliefs in Christianity.
Title: 📹 Yellow Vests in their own words—”It’s not a demonstration, it’s an uprising"
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 04:37:19 AM
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/10/the-yellow-vests-in-their-own-words-its-not-a-demonstration-its-an-uprising/ (https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/10/the-yellow-vests-in-their-own-words-its-not-a-demonstration-its-an-uprising/)

The Yellow Vests in their own words——”It’s not a demonstration, it’s an uprising!”
December 10, 2018 Patrice de Bergeracpas

(https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Capitalismimplodingwhiteletterslogo5.jpg)

HELP ENLIGHTEN YOUR FELLOWS. BE SURE TO PASS THIS ON. SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON IT.

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Gilets Jaunes congregating on the Champs Elysees.

Patrice Greanville }
The people of France are simply fed up with the status quo prescribed by neoliberalism and its tentacles in every sector of society—media, politics, and certainly the economy.  Here they express their pent-up anger in cogent and impassioned words. It’s worth noting their circumstances apply now to most countries in the so-called developed world, not to mention the uber-exploited third world. The disease is global.

Significantly, these reports are being prepared by independent media units, call them “people’s medias”, only interested in reporting the truth as far as they can see it, and with no ties to the plutocratic media and similar institutions of opinion manipulation.

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http://www.youtube.com/v/pFXTfjU4n40

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http://www.youtube.com/v/GQWU9VzeBgI

 

Le Média pour Tous – Officiel

Published on Dec 6, 2018

HELP US BUILD AN ALTERNATIVE MEDIA OUTLET: https://lemediapourtous.fr/participez/ (https://lemediapourtous.fr/participez/) Saturday, December 1st will forever be engraved in French history. The “Yellow Vests”, i.e. French people who see right through the left-right divide, rose up and took over the Arc de Triomphe and other iconic places. We have here a “yellow revolt” – a pacifistic movement, sure, but over which the police had little control. Vincent Lapierre and the Média Pour Tous team were at the heart of the action that day. Follow them to see what happened.

TV Patriotes

Published on Dec 9, 2018
Des milliers de Gilets Jaunes étaient de nouveau présents sur les Champs Elysées pour demander la démission du Président Emmanuel Macron. Le Général Christian Piquemal est venu apporter son soutien aux Gilets Jaunes et propose un référendum d’initiative populaire. A Paris, le samedi 8 décembre 2018.
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 04:38:56 AM

I'm including my beliefs in Christianity.

 ::)

RE
Title: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: K-Dog on December 11, 2018, 08:55:25 AM
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

RE
the hallmark of an ideologue is being super confident in what they know.

That's you in a nutshell.  It changes from time to time, but once you fixate on a given ideology, you are super confident of it.  See your beliefs in Christianity.

RE

I agree I used to be an ideologue, which is why I am not very proud of my past writing. I may have gotten some things right, but it was ideological to the core and that sort of mindset doesn't benefit anyone. It does more harm than good.

But how do you know you have changed?  An ideologue would not be proud of past writings and someone who 'evolved' would not be ashamed of their progress.  Knowledge does not define who a person is.  What they do with their knowledge does. 

As I get older I'm finding much of what I used to believe changes.  I confess the old ignorant K-Dog scares me.  But only because my ignorance seems like it was yesterday.  To deny what I used to think and become ashamed of my past self would be dishonest and actually unnecessary.  It would be tragic and cruel to myself.  Your thoughts are not you.  Thoughts are the ephemeral form of processes in your head.  People are notoriously bad at evaluating their own logic.  I have an edge but I also have a trick to get outside myself to get some of the 'me' out of my thinking.  Part of that trick is having the right perspective on what thoughts are. 

Macron, Trump and Michael Jackson, are/were boys in a bubble.  In that regard they are typically boring.  The world they see is a world of mirrors and everywhere they are told how great they are; or in Michael's case were.  Deluded daily they are lied to but being human they relish the bath.  They may even know it but 'willful ignorance' also is unremarkable, just another part of the greater bubble phenomena.

Why is this?  It is because people are creatures of habit.  If we found a way to keep the food coming at any time in our evolutionary past keeping that food coming was more important than how to get it making any sense.  To make sense of the world we farmed the job out to other people.  The resulting social feedback loop went on to define culture.  Collectively people can make good decisions.  Scientific fact, individually we flounder.  The reason is efficiency.  In our own minds we grab the first thing that 'fits' to get the job done.  In others we can see the problem.  In ourselves delusion has benefits.

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"Man is an evasive beast, given to cultivating strange notions about himself. He is humiliated by his simian ancestry, and tries to deny his animal nature, to persuade himself that he is not limited by its weaknesses nor concerned in its fate. And this impulse may be harmless, when it is genuine. But what are we to say when we see the formulas of heroic self-deception made use of by unheroic self-indulgence?" -  Profits of Religion


Title: I'l like an occupy burger & some yellow vest fries. Hold the tear gas.
Post by: K-Dog on December 11, 2018, 09:15:54 AM
More Than a Thousand Arrested as Yellow Vests Protests Over Economic Frustration Rage on Across France

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Some 1,220 people were arrested in France on Saturday as more than a hundred thousand took to the streets—leading to a lockdown and armored vehicles pouring into Paris—as part of the “Yellow Vests” or “Gilets Jaunes” movement that initially came as a response to French President Emmanuel Macron’s attempt to raise taxes on gasoline and diesel, which critics warn would primarily impact the working- and middle-class.

The movement’s name comes from many supporters wearing the yellow high-visibility vests that all drivers in France are required to keep in their vehicles. Although Macron’s centrist administration announced last week that it was suspending fuel and electricity hikes for six months, outrage over growing inequality across the country has continued to produce massive protests.

More Here:

http://occupyworldwrites.org/2018/12/10/more-thousand-arrested-yellow-vests-protests-over-economic-frustration-rage-across/ (http://occupyworldwrites.org/2018/12/10/more-thousand-arrested-yellow-vests-protests-over-economic-frustration-rage-across/)

The Occupy Movement was a response to inequality. It Was Put Down. 


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Macron has been to Home Depot.  Le stats quo sera préservé.  Note the greenwashing.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 11, 2018, 10:15:45 AM
That'll stop 'em.

Egypt bans sale of yellow vests in fear of gilets jaunes copycat protests (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/11/egypt-bans-sale-of-gilets-jaunes-yellow-vests-in-fear-copycat-protests)
Authorities clamp down on retailers in run-up to anniversary of 2011 uprising


Associated Press in Cairo

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Downtown Cairo
Downtown Cairo, Egypt. Sellers of industrial safety equipment have been instructed not to sell yellow vests to walk-in buyers. Photograph: Khaled Elfiqi/EPA

Egyptian authorities restricted the sale of yellow reflective vests amid fears opponents might attempt tocopy Frenchgilets jaunesprotestersduring next month’s anniversary of the 2011 uprising thattoppledHosni Mubarak.

Security officials and retailers said industrial safety equipment dealers have been instructed not to sell yellow vests to walk-in buyers and to restrict business to wholesale to verified companies, but only after securing police permission. They were told offenders would be punished, the officials said without elaborating.

Six retailers in a Cairo downtown area where industrial safety stores are concentrated said they were no longer selling yellow vests. Two declined to sell them, giving no explanation, but the remaining four said they were told not to by police.

“They seem not to want anyone to do what they are doing inFrance,” said one retailer.

“The police came here a few days back and told us to stop selling them. When we asked why, they said they were acting on instructions,” said another.

Both spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

Security officials said the restrictions would remain in force until the end of January. They said industrial safety product importers and wholesale merchants had been summoned to a meeting with senior police officers in Cairo this week and informed of the rules.

The officials, who have first-hand knowledge of the measures, spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to brief the media. Repeated calls and messages to the spokesman of the interior ministry, which oversees the police, to seek comment went unanswered.

The move showcases the depth of the government’s concern with security. Egyptian authorities have clamped down heavily over the past two years, deploying police and soldiers across the country to prevent marches to commemorate the 25 January anniversary of the start of the 2011 uprising. Scores of people have been killed and wounded in clashes during previous anniversaries.

The yellow vests worn by French protesters have become the symbol of the wave of demonstrations that began in November against a rise in fuel taxes but mushroomed to include a range of demands, including the resignation of President Emmanuel Macron.

Title: Re: I'l like an occupy burger & some yellow vest fries. Hold the tear gas.
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 10:16:06 AM
The Occupy Movement was a response to inequality. It Was Put Down.

The Occupy Movement didn't mobilize as many people, they were static and EZ targets to round up, and they didn't use violence and property destruction as a weapon.

Not saying they can't squash this movement, but it will be a hell of a lot harder than Occupy, who just didn't use the right strategies.  Peaceful Demonstrations don't work nowadays.  With the French, if they do try to squash it, in all likelihood they will get a Revolution.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 10:20:58 AM
That'll stop 'em.

Egypt bans sale of yellow vests in fear of gilets jaunes copycat protests (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/11/egypt-bans-sale-of-gilets-jaunes-yellow-vests-in-fear-copycat-protests)
Authorities clamp down on retailers in run-up to anniversary of 2011 uprising


They'll need to ban the sale of Yellow cloth and Sewing Machines.

If there was anything that would guarantee a Copycat action, this is it.  ::)

RE
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: Ashvin on December 11, 2018, 10:47:54 AM
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

RE
the hallmark of an ideologue is being super confident in what they know.

That's you in a nutshell.  It changes from time to time, but once you fixate on a given ideology, you are super confident of it.  See your beliefs in Christianity.

RE

I agree I used to be an ideologue, which is why I am not very proud of my past writing. I may have gotten some things right, but it was ideological to the core and that sort of mindset doesn't benefit anyone. It does more harm than good.

But how do you know you have changed?  An ideologue would not be proud of past writings and someone who 'evolved' would not be ashamed of their progress.  Knowledge does not define who a person is.  What they do with their knowledge does. 

As I get older I'm finding much of what I used to believe changes.  I confess the old ignorant K-Dog scares me.  But only because my ignorance seems like it was yesterday.  To deny what I used to think and become ashamed of my past self would be dishonest and actually unnecessary.  It would be tragic and cruel to myself.  Your thoughts are not you.  Thoughts are the ephemeral form of processes in your head.  People are notoriously bad at evaluating their own logic.  I have an edge but I also have a trick to get outside myself to get some of the 'me' out of my thinking.  Part of that trick is having the right perspective on what thoughts are. 

Macron, Trump and Michael Jackson, are/were boys in a bubble.  In that regard they are typically boring.  The world they see is a world of mirrors and everywhere they are told how great they are; or in Michael's case were.  Deluded daily they are lied to but being human they relish the bath.  They may even know it but 'willful ignorance' also is unremarkable, just another part of the greater bubble phenomena.

Why is this?  It is because people are creatures of habit.  If we found a way to keep the food coming at any time in our evolutionary past keeping that food coming was more important than how to get it making any sense.  To make sense of the world we farmed the job out to other people.  The resulting social feedback loop went on to define culture.  Collectively people can make good decisions.  Scientific fact, individually we flounder.  The reason is efficiency.  In our own minds we grab the first thing that 'fits' to get the job done.  In others we can see the problem.  In ourselves delusion has benefits.

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"Man is an evasive beast, given to cultivating strange notions about himself. He is humiliated by his simian ancestry, and tries to deny his animal nature, to persuade himself that he is not limited by its weaknesses nor concerned in its fate. And this impulse may be harmless, when it is genuine. But what are we to say when we see the formulas of heroic self-deception made use of by unheroic self-indulgence?" -  Profits of Religion

Good question. I would say my actions do a much better job of defining who I am then my stated beliefs or thoughts. I notice now that my primary concern is accomplishing daily tasks which I find meaningful and valuable for me, my family and my community. When I am engaged in meaningful actions, time moves quickly. Back in 2010-2013 or so, I was preoccupied with getting all of my thoughts about the world organized well and writing articles to share my "revelations". Time moved very slowly. Those are the actions of an ideologue.

"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." -William James

I am not ashamed at what I used to know or express, even if I now consider the ideas wrong. I am ashamed at how I used to think and generally go about my life. I was making myself weak, and that's of no use to me or anyone else around me. We definitely should accept and confront our ancestral history, our traditions and our nature. Integrating those things and taking responsibility for as much as we can possibly take responsibility for makes us stronger, which makes us better to ourselves and others..

"Most people never run far enough on their first wind to find out they've got a second." -WJ

Making sense of the world has it's place in scientific endeavors, but realizing our limitations in knowledge and the benefits of those limitations is even more critical. Evolution has "designed" us to be hidden from most of the complex underlying reality, because that's the best path to survival and otherwise we'd all be insane. In a contest between what we think is good for ourselves and what evolution has prescribed over billions of years, well... there is no contest. An individual attitude of humility, gratefulness, truth and responsibility has proven to be the most effective solution to life's existential problems.

"The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes." -WJ
Title: Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 10:52:57 AM
I am not ashamed at what I used to know or express, even if I now consider the ideas wrong.

You are ashamed.  Otherwise you would not have asked me to delete your writings.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 11, 2018, 11:49:30 AM
Okay, so I think we all agree that a dropping EROEI is at the heart of what is going on in France. No argument from me.

But I would argue that there is a lot more to it. The protests started over a new tax on diesel. Now it's ongoing , and maybe other issues are coming up. Higher minimum wage. That seems to be the "new" issue that is catching on with the protesters. Now it's a movement looking to define itself better. That's important to consider, I think. This could go most any direction. I don't think the declared issues come close to explaining this.

On one hand it makes good sense to tax fuel, because that means less fuel gets burned. From a carbon standpoint, it's simply going to have to happen at some point, or climate change gets worse and worse (not that it won't anyway).

Unfortunately, the people who are impacted are among those LESS LIKELY TO AGREE THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA.. Those who started the protests, at least, depend on cheap fuel to make their  living, and they're some of the people who are losers already in the current system.

As they claim, they make too much money to get direct government bennies (at least ones like money...they do get a ton of benefits they aren't considering)...BUT as they claim, they don't make enough to live from their work.

Those people have a lot in common with the Trump base here. But..it's interesting that in France, they aren't rushing to join the extreme right, which is, even now. trying hard to co-opt them.

Macron is center left, elected after the French rejected the center right leadership of Sarkozy. Both of them appear to the protesters to be representing the "rich". Which is of course true, because they are FROM the rich, and are themselves rich. But so are nearly all politicians in France and everywhere else.

They tried to tax the rich, and most of them voted with their feet, which is why Macron waffled on that.

Remember that the Chinese have been buying out French farmers for years now, and the rural French have lost their ability to live the way they once did. Now more than 600 French farmers a year commit suicide.

It looks to me like these people can't win, no matter what.  If they vote for communists, they lose their land. If they vote for center candidates or right candidates they still lose their land.

The French expect their government to give them free health care and a livable pension. But pensions have been slowly being eroded by closing loopholes that allowed some workers to collect more than one pension. Pension levels for low level workers aren't much, less the 8000 Euros a year, from what I read. French can retire at age 60, although you have to reach age 67 to qulify for top bennies. A lot of French people take early retirement anyway.

Housing prices are very high. France only subsidizes housing for the very poor, and they've built a lot of subsidized housing in places where there is no demand for it, and not in places where it's needed.

What is happening is the standard of living is falling. Cost are going up. And there isn't enough "other peoples money" to keep it from getting worse.

So new taxes on fuel don't fly. But that's just one problem. There are a WHOLE  lot more. This is going to get worse before it gets better, if it ever does get better.

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 12:02:24 PM
This is going to get worse before it gets better, if it ever does get better.

It's never going to get better.  You can make book on that.  It's just a matter of how the pain gets distributed out.  Right now, it's all falling on the backs of the working poor.  The rich haven't been touched.  Until now, in Frogland.  They have a history with this, and they know how to deal with it.

http://www.youtube.com/v/lo5BBHtn4tM

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 11, 2018, 12:26:27 PM
Well, technically it COULD get better. There are enough assets for it to get better, if they were spread around.

I thought it was interesting...on NPR at lunch, some talking head remarked on how Macron today said they had to solve the immigrant problem, and the dumbass commentators described that part of his speech as "out of the blue" since it isn't something the yellow vesters are bitching about.

As if it didn't even figure into the whole equation.

Nobody much sees the bigger picture.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: g on December 11, 2018, 01:09:38 PM
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Okay, so I think we all agree that a dropping EROEI is at the heart of what is going on in France. No argument from me.

Not me, my thoughts are it's almost negligible.

Only voicing my different view for the record, it's a rebellion against elitists, globalists and is a worldwide movement manifesting most strongly in France at the moment but will rage soon enough among most developed nations in short order.

These people, rightly or wrongly, feel they have been screwed by the ruling elite and they are correct the way I see it. We have tens of millions of them, here in America, just waiting for an excuse to do likewise.

This is why Donald Trump is in the White House. Most just don't get it that it's big stuff and not a one country phenomenon. I must say however, this Macron is a real work of art. If anyone can piss off the poor and working class it's that jerk off. If there were an Olympics for nauseating elitist ass holes, He would be the Gold Medal Winner and Christine Lagarde the runner up for the Silver.

This France uprising will be considered a school yard quarrel once Italy explodes in Europe. Trust me, "You ain't seen Nothing yet." The entire status quo is under attack. Prepare for troubling times here and abroad. 



Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 11, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
No doubt that's a big part of it. I don't disagree with you. I just think the decline in cheap energy is what is tightening the screws. Poor people don't get that pissed at the rich as long they are making it okay. When they are drowning in debt and they are losing homes and farms and can't pay their bills anymore, they take to the streets.

Its Arab Spring, but in Paris, without the Arabs.

Why aren't the Trump copycats like Marie LePen attracting these people? I'm not sure I know.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 02:50:37 PM
No doubt that's a big part of it. I don't disagree with you. I just think the decline in cheap energy is what is tightening the screws. Poor people don't get that pissed at the rich as long they are making it okay. When they are drowning in debt and they are losing homes and farms and can't pay their bills anymore, they take to the streets.

Its Arab Spring, but in Paris, without the Arabs.

Paris has Plenty-o-Arabs.

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Why aren't the Trump copycats like Marie LePen attracting these people? I'm not sure I know.

Because Frogs are not too fond of Capitalists Fascists.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: cernunnos5 on December 11, 2018, 03:00:16 PM
No doubt that's a big part of it. I don't disagree with you. I just think the decline in cheap energy is what is tightening the screws. Poor people don't get that pissed at the rich as long they are making it okay. When they are drowning in debt and they are losing homes and farms and can't pay their bills anymore, they take to the streets.

Its Arab Spring, but in Paris, without the Arabs.

Why aren't the Trump copycats like Marie LePen attracting these people? I'm not sure I know.
Yup. That is my point. Its the Arab spring. Then the Greece spring. Then it is the France spring. Then it is the Toronto spring. Then it is the New York spring. Then it is the Washington spring.... then the Beijing spring (just saying)

First at the peripheries. Then towards the center.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 11, 2018, 03:48:37 PM
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Okay, so I think we all agree that a dropping EROEI is at the heart of what is going on in France. No argument from me.

Not me, my thoughts are it's almost negligible.

Only voicing my different view for the record, it's a rebellion against elitists, globalists and is a worldwide movement manifesting most strongly in France at the moment but will rage soon enough among most developed nations in short order.

These people, rightly or wrongly, feel they have been screwed by the ruling elite and they are correct the way I see it. We have tens of millions of them, here in America, just waiting for an excuse to do likewise.

This is why Donald Trump is in the White House. Most just don't get it that it's big stuff and not a one country phenomenon. I must say however, this Macron is a real work of art. If anyone can piss off the poor and working class it's that jerk off. If there were an Olympics for nauseating elitist ass holes, He would be the Gold Medal Winner and Christine Lagarde the runner up for the Silver.

This France uprising will be considered a school yard quarrel once Italy explodes in Europe. Trust me, "You ain't seen Nothing yet." The entire status quo is under attack. Prepare for troubling times here and abroad.

It needs to be pointed out that the working class in the West has not just been screwed by the ruling elite, they have also been "screwed" by the abjectly poor, mostly in Africa, India and China. Many of these people are no longer starving. Many of them now earn a wage decent enough to keep their children fed well. A good portion of them even have access to cell phones and the digital information we take for granted.

Someone had to pay a price for that, a real big price, but perhaps a price worth paying.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: cernunnos5 on December 11, 2018, 04:01:47 PM
You weren't screwed. You were just "The Queens of the" of the oil age, saying, let them eat cake
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 04:03:28 PM

It needs to be pointed out that the working class in the West has not just been screwed by the ruling elite, they have also been "screwed" by the abjectly poor, mostly in Africa, India and China.

WHAT?!?!?!?!

The working class of the West has been "screwed" by the abject poor in the 3rd World? ???  :icon_scratch:

OMFG.  ::)

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: cernunnos5 on December 11, 2018, 04:10:43 PM
Re, help me out with that Youtube lode

Ashlyne, you prissy spoiled fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZBtPf7FOoM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZBtPf7FOoM)
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 11, 2018, 04:17:23 PM

It needs to be pointed out that the working class in the West has not just been screwed by the ruling elite, they have also been "screwed" by the abjectly poor, mostly in Africa, India and China.

WHAT?!?!?!?!

The working class of the West has been "screwed" by the abject poor in the 3rd World? ???  :icon_scratch:

OMFG.  ::)

RE

Maybe you didn't notice I put the word "screwed" in quotes before you did. Neither did your little buddy cernunno65. That's how most people think (especially on this forum) - they are victims of some other group of people out there. I try to stay away from that mindset as much as possible.

The point was, people in the West generally have no idea what their slow decline has purchased for the poorest people in the world. And even if they did know, they may not really care, because we (humans) experience much more negative emotion when we LOSE something than we experience positive emotion when we GAIN something.

That's a part of the reason why their living standard is what it is now and why they are rioting in the streets, even if they don't know it.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: cernunnos5 on December 11, 2018, 04:42:11 PM
To any real LGBT folks out there. I deeply apologize for that comment. You know I have got your back. My sword or fist is yours.

And you know Ashlyn didn't "Give" you anything. You fought for it and took it as Adam Smith recommended.

Point still stands.

Someone recently wrote, The choices we are offered are The Road Warrior or The Hunger Games. Lousy article but the title sums up the point.

I'm sick of hearing about "the productive class" being taxed. They are the parasitic class. Sure they work hard but so does a parasite and not nearly as hard as its host.

Girls, lets sing Killer Queen together
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 11, 2018, 05:01:46 PM
Re, help me out with that Youtube lode

Ashlyne, you prissy spoiled fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZBtPf7FOoM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZBtPf7FOoM)

Here ya go.

http://www.youtube.com/v/2ZBtPf7FOoM

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on December 11, 2018, 05:21:27 PM

It needs to be pointed out that the working class in the West has not just been screwed by the ruling elite, they have also been "screwed" by the abjectly poor, mostly in Africa, India and China.

WHAT?!?!?!?!

The working class of the West has been "screwed" by the abject poor in the 3rd World? ???  :icon_scratch:

OMFG.  ::)

RE

Maybe you didn't notice I put the word "screwed" in quotes before you did. Neither did your little buddy cernunno65. That's how most people think (especially on this forum) - they are victims of some other group of people out there. I try to stay away from that mindset as much as possible.

The point was, people in the West generally have no idea what their slow decline has purchased for the poorest people in the world. And even if they did know, they may not really care, because we (humans) experience much more negative emotion when we LOSE something than we experience positive emotion when we GAIN something.

That's a part of the reason why their living standard is what it is now and why they are rioting in the streets, even if they don't know it.


You just admitted you're addicted to mind sets....

Game, set, match  :icon_mrgreen: B@@M !
Title: Canada bends over to be the US's Bitch
Post by: cernunnos5 on December 11, 2018, 06:43:23 PM
As much as I like seeing fascists being punched in the face... and having their heads stomped once hitting concrete...


I think the real story to watch is the abduction of Chinese businessperson. Its far bigger than France

http://www.atimes.com/meng-wanzhou-arrest-a-stunning-provocation-to-china/ (http://www.atimes.com/meng-wanzhou-arrest-a-stunning-provocation-to-china/)

I know how much you folks like to argue... Just doing my part
Title: Re: Canada bends over to be the US's Bitch
Post by: Nearingsfault on December 11, 2018, 08:12:17 PM
As much as I like seeing fascists being punched in the face... and having their heads stomped once hitting concrete...


I think the real story to watch is the abduction of Chinese businessperson. Its far bigger than France

http://www.atimes.com/meng-wanzhou-arrest-a-stunning-provocation-to-china/ (http://www.atimes.com/meng-wanzhou-arrest-a-stunning-provocation-to-china/)

I know how much you folks like to argue... Just doing my part
yup. Not my favorite Canadian sovereignty moment. Hard to feel much sympathy for her though.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 11, 2018, 11:00:28 PM
Well, technically it COULD get better. There are enough assets for it to get better, if they were spread around.

I thought it was interesting...on NPR at lunch, some talking head remarked on how Macron today said they had to solve the immigrant problem, and the dumbass commentators described that part of his speech as "out of the blue" since it isn't something the yellow vesters are bitching about.

As if it didn't even figure into the whole equation.

Nobody much sees the bigger picture.

Nobody with American power wants Americans to see the bigger picture.
Title: Frenched (Pamela Anderson)
Post by: K-Dog on December 11, 2018, 11:03:19 PM
Yellow Vests and I
December 4, 2018

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5285891ae4b09d15d955ce6c/t/5c069f794ae237d44c0eadb6/1543937982358/image1-3.jpeg?format=750w)

I am glad that the media noticed my brief Twitter take on the situation in France, my adopted country, which has been experiencing a series of mass protests in the last few weeks.

Some followers accused me of "throwing support" behind the riots and violence and not understanding the problem. This is so biased. Why? Let's see! Why these protests now?

Instead of being hypnotized by the burning images, I wanted to ask "where did the protests come from?" 

"Yellow Vests" ("Gilets Jaune" named after roadside-safety vests) are a mass popular movement against the current establishment. It is a revolt that has been simmering in France for years. A revolt by ordinary people against the current political system which -  as in many other western countries – colludes with the elite and despises its own citizens.

The protest started when President Macron announced an increase in carbon and air pollution taxes. The next increase will happen in January. This is supposed to collect more money for the state budget and also motivate people to use alternatives to diesel-fuelled cars. Macron would like to ban diesel cars by 2040.

But the French state encouraged people to buy diesel fuelled cars for many years. For example, in 2016, 62% of cars in France were diesel cars, as well as 95% of all vans and small lorries. So it is no wonder that many people view the new policy as a total betrayal.

Getting a new car is probably not a big deal for President Macron and his ministers. But it is way too difficult for many people who are already financially stretched to the max . Many poor people will not be able to get to work, especially if there is no reliable public transport in place throughout. Many old people will not be able to get to the shops or to the doctor.

Lots of media see Yellow Vests protesters as criminals causing destruction.

I see forces of destruction on the other side.

What about the violence?

I am a committed pacifist. I despise violence. But I also know that when protests end in violence it is too often the failure and the fault of the state. The failure of the state to enable people to be heard. This is the position of many international human rights organisations including Amnesty International.

Also, the critics of "violent riots" pretend that the current capitalist society is non-violent. Violence is a part of modern society and comes in many forms.

For example, Philippe Bourgois recognises four types of violence.

Political violence is conducted in the name of some state power or ideology.

Structural violence concerns the political and economic order of  society in which the conditions of inequality and exploitation are institutionalised, including the exploitation of "cheap labour" and natural resources in the developing world.

Symbolic violence is involved when the oppressed and powerless internalize their humiliation and inequality.

And finally, everyday violence is the violence of "ordinary" life, such as criminality or domestic violence. This violence is often closely linked to structural violence (for example criminality can be associated with poverty) or a symbolic one (domestic violence can be linked to gender inequality).

So what is the violence of all these people and burned luxurious cars compared to the structural violence of the French and global elites?

When some protesters destroy cars and burn shops, they symbolically attack private property that is the basis of capitalism. When they attack police officers, they symbolically reject and challenge repressive state forces - forces that primarily protect the capital.

Moralising about burned cars and banks’ broken windows is misplaced. This must be seen in the context of the current status quo. A status quo in which the power of the powerful and the powerlessness of the powerless is maintained. A status quo of societies where only a few profit and the many loose.

What about the climate change?

Some people might think that Yellow Vests are fighting against good policies that aim to reduce carbon emissions.

But let's not forget that it is the world's richest 10% who are responsible for nearly 50% of total lifestyle consumption emissions.

Also, the stated fight against climate change is often a very lucrative business and used merely as a screen for preferential projects that would not be viable otherwise due to their costs. These projects are often chosen in a way that is not very transparent.

I do not believe that the Yellow Vests support harmful policies that cause climate change. They are against the political system and the politics that did far more for the rich than for the poor.

What is next?

The true question is whether the current protests can turn into something constructive. What comes the day after and if the progressives in France, and all over the world, can find solutions to constructing equal and egalitarian societies.

Yellow Vests are calling for a new social justice order, for the right to live in dignity based on fair wages and a fair tax system. The only solution is to create such a system. A system that will stand for respect of community life: for redistribution of the wealth to the benefit of the people and the nation. Because the people have been excluded from the distribution of  wealth thus far and have been left destitute.

More to come. Watch this space!

Love

Pamela


She gets really good at the end.  She was polishing her thoughts as she wrote the first two thirds an then she got clear:

Moralising about burned cars and banks’ broken windows is misplaced. This must be seen in the context of the current status quo. A status quo in which the power of the powerful and the powerlessness of the powerless is maintained. A status quo of societies where only a few profit and the many loose.

What about the climate change?

Some people might think that Yellow Vests are fighting against good policies that aim to reduce carbon emissions.

But let's not forget that it is the world's richest 10% who are responsible for nearly 50% of total lifestyle consumption emissions.


Also, the stated fight against climate change is often a very lucrative business and used merely as a screen for preferential projects that would not be viable otherwise due to their costs. These projects are often chosen in a way that is not very transparent.

I do not believe that the Yellow Vests support harmful policies that cause climate change. They are against the political system and the politics that did far more for the rich than for the poor.

What is next?

The true question is whether the current protests can turn into something constructive. What comes the day after and if the progressives in France, and all over the world, can find solutions to constructing equal and egalitarian societies.

Yellow Vests are calling for a new social justice order, for the right to live in dignity based on fair wages and a fair tax system. The only solution is to create such a system. A system that will stand for respect of community life: for redistribution of the wealth to the benefit of the people and the nation. Because the people have been excluded from the distribution of  wealth thus far and have been left destitute.

Well OK, that last part is pretty dreamy.

https://www.pamelaandersonfoundation.org/news/2018/12/4/yellow-vests-and-i (https://www.pamelaandersonfoundation.org/news/2018/12/4/yellow-vests-and-i)
Title: 🍟 Macron's concessions set to blow out French deficit
Post by: RE on December 12, 2018, 01:39:08 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests/macrons-concessions-set-to-blow-out-french-deficit-idUSKBN1OA20M (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests/macrons-concessions-set-to-blow-out-french-deficit-idUSKBN1OA20M)

World News
December 11, 2018 / 8:15 AM / Updated 3 hours ago
Macron's concessions set to blow out French deficit
Leigh Thomas

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France's President Emmanuel Macron, France's Prime Minister Edouard Philippe and France's Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire attend a meeting with the representatives of the banking sector at the Elysee Palace in Paris, France, December 11, 2018. Thibault Camus/Pool via REUTERS

PARIS (Reuters) - France is on course to overshoot the European Union’s budget deficit ceiling next year without new spending cuts after President Emmanuel Macron caved in to anti-government street protests.

Macron announced wage increases for the poorest workers and a tax cut for most pensioners on Monday to defuse discontent, leaving his government scrambling to come up with extra budget savings or risk blowing through the EU’s 3 percent of GDP limit.
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Prime Minister Edouard Philippe was due on Tuesday to address parliament to detail how the measures will be financed in a redraft of the budget weeks before it takes effect.

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“Under all likelihood, the 2019 public deficit will print above the 3.0 percent benchmark,” Societe Generale economist Michel Martinez wrote in a research note.

However, the deficit was unlikely to hit 3.5 percent, as some French media suggested, because the government would look to offset the extra strain on the budget, he said.

Any failure to respect the EU deficit ceiling could shatter France’s fiscal credibility with its European partners after flouting it for a decade before Macron took office.

Equally, any sign of leniency could at the same time complicate the Commission’s already tense discussions with Rome about keeping its deficit down.

“There is a very strong interest to put Italy and France in the same pot,” one EU official told Reuters.

“In Italy they themselves are planning this very blunt breach. The situation in France serves their purpose, they will say they are preventing social unrest like in France and they will say: what about equal treatment?”

His concessions to protesters have put pressure on French bond yields with the spread over German yields spiking up to the highest level since May 2017.

The measures announced by Macron on Monday would put a 8-10 billion euro ($9.1-11.4 billion) hole in the budget, ministers said, on top of the 4 billion euros lost after Macron scrapped hikes to fuel taxes in a first wave of concessions last week.
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“We are going to make savings, just as we have said we would, starting with savings in government and that’s for us to make happen,” government spokesman Benjamin Griveaux.

In its original 2019 budget, the government targeted a public deficit of 2.8 percent of GDP. That, though, was based on a growth estimate of 1.7 percent, which now looks increasingly optimistic as the economy slows in the face of the protests.

However, the 2019 deficit would have been only 1.9 percent without the long-planned one-off impact of a payroll tax rebate scheme becoming a permanent tax cut at a cost of 20 billion euros.

Asked whether the budget deficit would be kept below the EU limit, an Elysee official said on Monday France had some wiggle room on spending if the tax rebate was not taken into account.

Nonetheless, France faces tougher scrutiny from the European Commission, which is likely to demand firm commitments to reforms for any leeway.
Title: 🍟 Paris riots set to continue as French leader fails to appease protesters
Post by: RE on December 12, 2018, 01:57:39 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-riots-france-emmanuel-macron-fails-to-appease-yellow-vest-protesters/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-riots-france-emmanuel-macron-fails-to-appease-yellow-vest-protesters/)

By Tucker Reals CBS News December 11, 2018, 11:16 AM
Paris riots set to continue as French leader fails to appease protesters

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High school students demonstrate on their knees, Dec. 11, 2018 in Paris, France, to protest against the different education reforms including the testing overhauls and stricter university entrance requirements.
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President Emmanuel Macron's attempt to quell violent rioting across France by offering economic concessions to his countrymen -- expected to cost the country $11 billion -- appears to have been insufficient. Leaders of the "Yellow Vest" protest movement indicated Tuesday that Macron's offers were not enough, as hundreds of students staged a "Black Tuesday" of protests over Macron's education policies and voiced solidarity with the Yellow Vests.

Macron took to the national airwaves to address the spiraling crisis for the first time on Monday. He announced an increase in the minimum wage, tax cuts for retirees and other concessions aimed at calming the streets.

But CBS News correspondent Charlie D'Agata reported on Tuesday morning from Paris that another day of Saturday demonstrations -- the mass-protests which have been seized upon by extremists of all stripes for four weeks in a row -- still appeared on the cards.

A leader of the Yellow Vest movement indicated that the demonstrations would go ahead. Christophe Chalencon, a blacksmith from southern France who has become a leader of the protest movement, told the Reuters news agency that Macron's peace offering was not enough

The crisis began as protests against a planned fuel tax hike (which Macron has abandoned), but quickly mushroomed into a broad and visceral demonstration of anti-government resentment aimed squarely at the president, who is seen by many as being out of touch with the working French.
"Black Tuesday" for student protesters

The Yellow Shirt movement gained new support on Tuesday from another group of French citizens angry over changes brought in by Macron's government: students.

There has been a fierce reaction from high school and university-aged students to new standardized testing policies, a lack of college enrolment places available to graduates, and new requirements for graduates to secure those places.

One student protesting in Paris on Tuesday, who gave only his first name, said he saw a "link" with the Yellow Vests over what he called "despair in the society."

"On the part of students, we're tired of not being listened to. There's no chance to be listened to, we're not being taken seriously. Our claims are not being taken seriously," Dragan told Reuters. "The interest in the Yellow Vests is that if we go under the same banner, the more we are, the easier it will be to make each other heard and bring forward each other's cause."

Groups of students set fires and blockaded schools from Paris to the south of France on Tuesday. Thousands of high school students gathered in central Paris and elsewhere across the nation and knelt on the ground with their hands behind their heads in front of police -- a symbolic show of solidarity with fellow students arrested last week at another school protest.
Title: Re: Frenched (Pamela Anderson)
Post by: Eddie on December 12, 2018, 04:25:52 AM
Yellow Vests and I
December 4, 2018

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5285891ae4b09d15d955ce6c/t/5c069f794ae237d44c0eadb6/1543937982358/image1-3.jpeg?format=750w)

I am glad that the media noticed my brief Twitter take on the situation in France, my adopted country, which has been experiencing a series of mass protests in the last few weeks.

Some followers accused me of "throwing support" behind the riots and violence and not understanding the problem. This is so biased. Why? Let's see! Why these protests now?

Instead of being hypnotized by the burning images, I wanted to ask "where did the protests come from?" 

"Yellow Vests" ("Gilets Jaune" named after roadside-safety vests) are a mass popular movement against the current establishment. It is a revolt that has been simmering in France for years. A revolt by ordinary people against the current political system which -  as in many other western countries – colludes with the elite and despises its own citizens.

The protest started when President Macron announced an increase in carbon and air pollution taxes. The next increase will happen in January. This is supposed to collect more money for the state budget and also motivate people to use alternatives to diesel-fuelled cars. Macron would like to ban diesel cars by 2040.

But the French state encouraged people to buy diesel fuelled cars for many years. For example, in 2016, 62% of cars in France were diesel cars, as well as 95% of all vans and small lorries. So it is no wonder that many people view the new policy as a total betrayal.

Getting a new car is probably not a big deal for President Macron and his ministers. But it is way too difficult for many people who are already financially stretched to the max . Many poor people will not be able to get to work, especially if there is no reliable public transport in place throughout. Many old people will not be able to get to the shops or to the doctor.

Lots of media see Yellow Vests protesters as criminals causing destruction.

I see forces of destruction on the other side.

What about the violence?

I am a committed pacifist. I despise violence. But I also know that when protests end in violence it is too often the failure and the fault of the state. The failure of the state to enable people to be heard. This is the position of many international human rights organisations including Amnesty International.

Also, the critics of "violent riots" pretend that the current capitalist society is non-violent. Violence is a part of modern society and comes in many forms.

For example, Philippe Bourgois recognises four types of violence.

Political violence is conducted in the name of some state power or ideology.

Structural violence concerns the political and economic order of  society in which the conditions of inequality and exploitation are institutionalised, including the exploitation of "cheap labour" and natural resources in the developing world.

Symbolic violence is involved when the oppressed and powerless internalize their humiliation and inequality.

And finally, everyday violence is the violence of "ordinary" life, such as criminality or domestic violence. This violence is often closely linked to structural violence (for example criminality can be associated with poverty) or a symbolic one (domestic violence can be linked to gender inequality).

So what is the violence of all these people and burned luxurious cars compared to the structural violence of the French and global elites?

When some protesters destroy cars and burn shops, they symbolically attack private property that is the basis of capitalism. When they attack police officers, they symbolically reject and challenge repressive state forces - forces that primarily protect the capital.

Moralising about burned cars and banks’ broken windows is misplaced. This must be seen in the context of the current status quo. A status quo in which the power of the powerful and the powerlessness of the powerless is maintained. A status quo of societies where only a few profit and the many loose.

What about the climate change?

Some people might think that Yellow Vests are fighting against good policies that aim to reduce carbon emissions.

But let's not forget that it is the world's richest 10% who are responsible for nearly 50% of total lifestyle consumption emissions.

Also, the stated fight against climate change is often a very lucrative business and used merely as a screen for preferential projects that would not be viable otherwise due to their costs. These projects are often chosen in a way that is not very transparent.

I do not believe that the Yellow Vests support harmful policies that cause climate change. They are against the political system and the politics that did far more for the rich than for the poor.

What is next?

The true question is whether the current protests can turn into something constructive. What comes the day after and if the progressives in France, and all over the world, can find solutions to constructing equal and egalitarian societies.

Yellow Vests are calling for a new social justice order, for the right to live in dignity based on fair wages and a fair tax system. The only solution is to create such a system. A system that will stand for respect of community life: for redistribution of the wealth to the benefit of the people and the nation. Because the people have been excluded from the distribution of  wealth thus far and have been left destitute.

More to come. Watch this space!

Love

Pamela


She gets really good at the end.  She was polishing her thoughts as she wrote the first two thirds an then she got clear:

Moralising about burned cars and banks’ broken windows is misplaced. This must be seen in the context of the current status quo. A status quo in which the power of the powerful and the powerlessness of the powerless is maintained. A status quo of societies where only a few profit and the many loose.

What about the climate change?

Some people might think that Yellow Vests are fighting against good policies that aim to reduce carbon emissions.

But let's not forget that it is the world's richest 10% who are responsible for nearly 50% of total lifestyle consumption emissions.


Also, the stated fight against climate change is often a very lucrative business and used merely as a screen for preferential projects that would not be viable otherwise due to their costs. These projects are often chosen in a way that is not very transparent.

I do not believe that the Yellow Vests support harmful policies that cause climate change. They are against the political system and the politics that did far more for the rich than for the poor.

What is next?

The true question is whether the current protests can turn into something constructive. What comes the day after and if the progressives in France, and all over the world, can find solutions to constructing equal and egalitarian societies.

Yellow Vests are calling for a new social justice order, for the right to live in dignity based on fair wages and a fair tax system. The only solution is to create such a system. A system that will stand for respect of community life: for redistribution of the wealth to the benefit of the people and the nation. Because the people have been excluded from the distribution of  wealth thus far and have been left destitute.

Well OK, that last part is pretty dreamy.

https://www.pamelaandersonfoundation.org/news/2018/12/4/yellow-vests-and-i (https://www.pamelaandersonfoundation.org/news/2018/12/4/yellow-vests-and-i)

Really rich people writing stories trashing the rich is a little silly. She should give her haute couture to the poor.

Caviar and cigarettes
Well versed in etiquette
Extraordinarily nice

Title: Re: Frenched (Pamela Anderson)
Post by: Ashvin on December 12, 2018, 06:19:00 AM
Quote from: K-Dog
Quote from: Eddie
She gets really good at the end.  She was polishing her thoughts as she wrote the first two thirds an then she got clear:

Moralising about burned cars and banks’ broken windows is misplaced. This must be seen in the context of the current status quo. A status quo in which the power of the powerful and the powerlessness of the powerless is maintained. A status quo of societies where only a few profit and the many loose.

What about the climate change?

Some people might think that Yellow Vests are fighting against good policies that aim to reduce carbon emissions.

But let's not forget that it is the world's richest 10% who are responsible for nearly 50% of total lifestyle consumption emissions.


Also, the stated fight against climate change is often a very lucrative business and used merely as a screen for preferential projects that would not be viable otherwise due to their costs. These projects are often chosen in a way that is not very transparent.

I do not believe that the Yellow Vests support harmful policies that cause climate change. They are against the political system and the politics that did far more for the rich than for the poor.

What is next?

The true question is whether the current protests can turn into something constructive. What comes the day after and if the progressives in France, and all over the world, can find solutions to constructing equal and egalitarian societies.

Yellow Vests are calling for a new social justice order, for the right to live in dignity based on fair wages and a fair tax system. The only solution is to create such a system. A system that will stand for respect of community life: for redistribution of the wealth to the benefit of the people and the nation. Because the people have been excluded from the distribution of  wealth thus far and have been left destitute.

Well OK, that last part is pretty dreamy.

https://www.pamelaandersonfoundation.org/news/2018/12/4/yellow-vests-and-i (https://www.pamelaandersonfoundation.org/news/2018/12/4/yellow-vests-and-i)

Really rich people writing stories trashing the rich is a little silly. She should give her haute couture to the poor.

Caviar and cigarettes
Well versed in etiquette
Extraordinarily nice

She started off piss poor, stayed piss poor in the middle, and ended a little less piss poor.  "The powerful and rich are keeping down the powerless and poor". What kind of "anaylsis" is that? I'll give her credit for one good bit about the stated fight against climate being a lucrative business and a screen for preferential projects, but that's it.

Eddie, don't you know the only reason they hang on to their money and stuff is to do good and help the poor ? ::)
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 12, 2018, 07:56:02 AM
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If she had better life skills she'd be a billionaire. Still has enough to live in France and wear really nice clothes. Been to France? Nice place to live, if you can afford it.

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 12, 2018, 08:14:57 AM
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If she had better life skills she'd be a billionaire. Still has enough to live in France and wear really nice clothes. Been to France? Nice place to live, if you can afford it.

You keep making the case you need $10M just to lead a decent middle class life in retirement!  No you are making the case Pamela Anderson is Rich?  Try to be a little consistent.  ::)

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 12, 2018, 09:11:50 AM
So...that isn't what I said.

I said people under 10M weren't the real rich. Pamela not only did not make that cut, she is still young enough to work, if she wanted to.

Some people say $3M free and clear is enough for financial freedom. They're basing that on estimating 100K per year for 30 years, most of the time. That won't cover my bills, which is one reason I'm still working. I'm not quite to $3M yet either. Maybe on paper. Definitely not enough to live in Marseilles. (They have fires now anyway, like Cali. But a boat there wouldn't be bad.)

Rock stars and movie stars are usually financially ignorant people. They identify with people a lot poorer than they are, because that's their roots. There are no Rothschilds in the movie credits. They might finance the industry, but they don't put their names in the credits.

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 12, 2018, 09:58:16 AM

Some people say $3M free and clear is enough for financial freedom. They're basing that on estimating 100K per year for 30 years, most of the time.

Now, this is almost as absurd.

Even at ZERO interest, @ $100K/year $3M will last you 30 years.  Your ostensible reason for needing so much money is to keep your beloved swimming in money until she dies, in all likelihood after you.  But neither of you is likely to last 30 more years, in fact when you buy your ticket to the Great Beyond, your SO will likely shortly follow you.  That is how it goes with lifelong married couples. Dubya died shortly after Barb died at 92.  My Aunt died shortly after her hubby of 50 years collapsed on the sidewalk outside a Brookly Bar conviniently located next to the OTB storefront where he regularly lost his monthly disability check from the VA.  He was a WWII hero who pulled 7 men from a burning armored personel carrier in WWII.

Besides that, do you really think that toilet paper will buy ANYTHING 30 years from today?  It's working now.  Get the most out of it while you can.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 12, 2018, 11:27:05 AM
The point I was always trying to make, and the one you and most other people either don't get, or choose to ignore (in your case it's the latter), is that it's not the so-called 1% that are the problem. It's the .01% at the top of the heap. Even this article from Globalinequality.org keeps talking about the one percent as if anybody with a million bucks is part of a cabal of financial vampires. It just ain't so, and their own stats prove it, to anybody with half a brain.


Capgemini and RBC Wealth Management define a “high net worth individual” as someone with at least $1 million in investment assets (not including their primary residence and consumer goods). The vast bulk of the world’s millionaires hold less than $5 million. But the top tier of these wealthy individuals, those with at least $30 million, had the fastest growth rate between 2016 and 2017, rising 25.5 percent to 174,800.



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Only one American in 4500 has a net worth of 30 million. Chop all their heads off. Nobody would even notice.


https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 12, 2018, 11:39:30 AM

Only one American in 4500 has a net worth of 30 million. Chop all their heads off. Nobody would even notice.

I don't think Capital Punishment is necessary for most offenders.  As long as they hand over their ill gotten gains and agree to scrub toilets for the rest of their lives, this is enough punishment.

The Guillotine is reserved for those who refuse to relinquish their wealth and privilege, and/or who have been in control of the mechanisms in politics and bankstering which have led to Crimes Against Humanity.  You need control over $Billions$ for that level of guilt.  You are quite safe from that under my reign as Chief Justice and Lord High Executioner.  I do wish you luck though with your new career scrubbing toilets. I promise to visit with you regularly on my Cripple Cart. :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 12, 2018, 03:32:29 PM
The point I was always trying to make, and the one you and most other people either don't get, or choose to ignore (in your case it's the latter), is that it's not the so-called 1% that are the problem. It's the .01% at the top of the heap. Even this article from Globalinequality.org keeps talking about the one percent as if anybody with a million bucks is part of a cabal of financial vampires. It just ain't so, and their own stats prove it, to anybody with half a brain.


Capgemini and RBC Wealth Management define a “high net worth individual” as someone with at least $1 million in investment assets (not including their primary residence and consumer goods). The vast bulk of the world’s millionaires hold less than $5 million. But the top tier of these wealthy individuals, those with at least $30 million, had the fastest growth rate between 2016 and 2017, rising 25.5 percent to 174,800.




Only one American in 4500 has a net worth of 30 million. Chop all their heads off. Nobody would even notice.


https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/

People can start complaining about the .01% once they stop incessantly using Amazon, Facebook, Apple products etc.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 12, 2018, 04:50:35 PM
The point I was always trying to make, and the one you and most other people either don't get, or choose to ignore (in your case it's the latter), is that it's not the so-called 1% that are the problem. It's the .01% at the top of the heap. Even this article from Globalinequality.org keeps talking about the one percent as if anybody with a million bucks is part of a cabal of financial vampires. It just ain't so, and their own stats prove it, to anybody with half a brain.


Capgemini and RBC Wealth Management define a “high net worth individual” as someone with at least $1 million in investment assets (not including their primary residence and consumer goods). The vast bulk of the world’s millionaires hold less than $5 million. But the top tier of these wealthy individuals, those with at least $30 million, had the fastest growth rate between 2016 and 2017, rising 25.5 percent to 174,800.




Only one American in 4500 has a net worth of 30 million. Chop all their heads off. Nobody would even notice.


https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/

People can start complaining about the .01% once they stop incessantly using Amazon, Facebook, Apple products etc.

Those companies can be Nationalized and turned into Worker Co-ops.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 12, 2018, 05:34:14 PM

Some people say $3M free and clear is enough for financial freedom. They're basing that on estimating 100K per year for 30 years, most of the time.

Now, this is almost as absurd.

Even at ZERO interest, @ $100K/year $3M will last you 30 years.  Your ostensible reason for needing so much money is to keep your beloved swimming in money until she dies, in all likelihood after you.  But neither of you is likely to last 30 more years, in fact when you buy your ticket to the Great Beyond, your SO will likely shortly follow you.  That is how it goes with lifelong married couples. Dubya died shortly after Barb died at 92.  My Aunt died shortly after her hubby of 50 years collapsed on the sidewalk outside a Brookly Bar conviniently located next to the OTB storefront where he regularly lost his monthly disability check from the VA.  He was a WWII hero who pulled 7 men from a burning armored personel carrier in WWII.

Besides that, do you really think that toilet paper will buy ANYTHING 30 years from today?  It's working now.  Get the most out of it while you can.

RE

And here I thought I was being greedy thinking 2 million was enough.  But I'm easy.  Coffee, books companionship, heat, and food.  With high speed internet and a few hobbies.  All of which I can do on less than 100K a year if I'm not working.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 12, 2018, 06:43:58 PM
The point I was always trying to make, and the one you and most other people either don't get, or choose to ignore (in your case it's the latter), is that it's not the so-called 1% that are the problem. It's the .01% at the top of the heap. Even this article from Globalinequality.org keeps talking about the one percent as if anybody with a million bucks is part of a cabal of financial vampires. It just ain't so, and their own stats prove it, to anybody with half a brain.


Capgemini and RBC Wealth Management define a “high net worth individual” as someone with at least $1 million in investment assets (not including their primary residence and consumer goods). The vast bulk of the world’s millionaires hold less than $5 million. But the top tier of these wealthy individuals, those with at least $30 million, had the fastest growth rate between 2016 and 2017, rising 25.5 percent to 174,800.




Only one American in 4500 has a net worth of 30 million. Chop all their heads off. Nobody would even notice.


https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/

People can start complaining about the .01% once they stop incessantly using Amazon, Facebook, Apple products etc.

One in 4500 is too many if you stop and think about it.  That is all it would take.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QN_-kG1YMlI/UXsXLSlr1HI/AAAAAAAANLM/5oS_hA6SNDo/s1600/flag+of+the+hunger+games+capital+city.jpg)

Nationally that would be 70,000 with over thirty million.  Enough to call all the shots with appropriately intimidated minions.

We know any place like that?

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 12, 2018, 06:53:22 PM
Nationally that would be 70,000 with over thirty million.  Enough to call all the shots with appropriately intimidated minions.

Let's see...

@ 100 Rolling Heads/Week, that's 36,500 per year for 2 years.  It's doable even with old technology.

http://www.youtube.com/v/lo5BBHtn4tM

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 12, 2018, 07:02:48 PM
Not that the future will be so glamorous.

https://youtu.be/FjNyTtW-6K8

The embed is high-def and did not work, or something.

Our past will be our future and in 3000 years the damage of the dimming down will have been fully reversed.

(http://www.wolferstadt-geschichte.de/Bilder/Villa%20total.jpg)

Sort of.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 12, 2018, 07:08:12 PM
Nationally that would be 70,000 with over thirty million.  Enough to call all the shots with appropriately intimidated minions.

Let's see...

@ 100 Rolling Heads/Week, that's 36,500 per year for 2 years.  It's doable even with old technology.


RE

Two years job security for dozens of people.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 13, 2018, 04:32:40 AM
The point I was always trying to make, and the one you and most other people either don't get, or choose to ignore (in your case it's the latter), is that it's not the so-called 1% that are the problem. It's the .01% at the top of the heap. Even this article from Globalinequality.org keeps talking about the one percent as if anybody with a million bucks is part of a cabal of financial vampires. It just ain't so, and their own stats prove it, to anybody with half a brain.


Capgemini and RBC Wealth Management define a “high net worth individual” as someone with at least $1 million in investment assets (not including their primary residence and consumer goods). The vast bulk of the world’s millionaires hold less than $5 million. But the top tier of these wealthy individuals, those with at least $30 million, had the fastest growth rate between 2016 and 2017, rising 25.5 percent to 174,800.




Only one American in 4500 has a net worth of 30 million. Chop all their heads off. Nobody would even notice.


https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/

People can start complaining about the .01% once they stop incessantly using Amazon, Facebook, Apple products etc.

The problem is BOTH the .001 per cent, who are disproportionately responsible for vast income distribution inequities, and the 10 per cent, who your refer to, and who sure as hell don't want to hear about it.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 13, 2018, 04:38:44 AM
The point I was always trying to make, and the one you and most other people either don't get, or choose to ignore (in your case it's the latter), is that it's not the so-called 1% that are the problem. It's the .01% at the top of the heap. Even this article from Globalinequality.org keeps talking about the one percent as if anybody with a million bucks is part of a cabal of financial vampires. It just ain't so, and their own stats prove it, to anybody with half a brain.


Capgemini and RBC Wealth Management define a “high net worth individual” as someone with at least $1 million in investment assets (not including their primary residence and consumer goods). The vast bulk of the world’s millionaires hold less than $5 million. But the top tier of these wealthy individuals, those with at least $30 million, had the fastest growth rate between 2016 and 2017, rising 25.5 percent to 174,800.




Only one American in 4500 has a net worth of 30 million. Chop all their heads off. Nobody would even notice.


https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/ (https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/)

People can start complaining about the .01% once they stop incessantly using Amazon, Facebook, Apple products etc.

The problem is BOTH the .001 per cent, who are disproportionately responsible for vast income distribution inequities, and the 10 per cent, who your refer to, and who sure as hell don't want to hear about it.

This should be fairly obvious, because it is only the poor who do not have "Money to Burn".

(http://www.mcintyreinthemorning.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/100-BILL-BURNING.jpg)

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 13, 2018, 05:50:55 AM
The point I was always trying to make, and the one you and most other people either don't get, or choose to ignore (in your case it's the latter), is that it's not the so-called 1% that are the problem. It's the .01% at the top of the heap. Even this article from Globalinequality.org keeps talking about the one percent as if anybody with a million bucks is part of a cabal of financial vampires. It just ain't so, and their own stats prove it, to anybody with half a brain.


Capgemini and RBC Wealth Management define a “high net worth individual” as someone with at least $1 million in investment assets (not including their primary residence and consumer goods). The vast bulk of the world’s millionaires hold less than $5 million. But the top tier of these wealthy individuals, those with at least $30 million, had the fastest growth rate between 2016 and 2017, rising 25.5 percent to 174,800.




Only one American in 4500 has a net worth of 30 million. Chop all their heads off. Nobody would even notice.


https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/

People can start complaining about the .01% once they stop incessantly using Amazon, Facebook, Apple products etc.

The problem is BOTH the .001 per cent, who are disproportionately responsible for vast income distribution inequities, and the 10 per cent, who your refer to, and who sure as hell don't want to hear about it.

At least some of the richest people in the world are responsible for some of the most widely-used, culturally transformative technologies. They are responsible for income inequality in the sense that they happened to figure out what everyone else would buy into. I could be wrong, but I think that is way more than 10% of Americans. Probably more than 10% of people worldwide when combined.

If we decide to use an equally arbitrary measure, globally speaking, you and I are part of the 1%, and people a little more fortunate/skilled are the .01%. Why aren't we the problem, globally speaking?
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 13, 2018, 05:57:20 AM
At least some of the richest people in the world are responsible for some of the most widely-used, culturally transformative destructive technologies.

Fixed that for you.

Quote
Why aren't we the problem, globally speaking?

As a group "we" are.  However, you more so than me, Eddie more so than you.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 13, 2018, 06:05:10 AM
At least some of the richest people in the world are responsible for some of the most widely-used, culturally transformative destructive technologies.

Fixed that for you.

Quote
Why aren't we the problem, globally speaking?

As a group "we" are.  However, you more so than me, Eddie more so than you.

RE

Could be destructive, too new to tell.

I'm not sure if I have more net assets than you, actually, but regardless... if "we" are all the problem and culpable to some extent, why draw arbitrary lines for punishment? The only reason I can see is because the lines ensure that you or people you like won't be punished.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 13, 2018, 06:22:34 AM
At least some of the richest people in the world are responsible for some of the most widely-used, culturally transformative destructive technologies.

Fixed that for you.

Quote
Why aren't we the problem, globally speaking?

As a group "we" are.  However, you more so than me, Eddie more so than you.

RE

Could be destructive, too new to tell.

I'm not sure if I have more net assets than you, actually, but regardless... if "we" are all the problem and culpable to some extent, why draw arbitrary lines for punishment? The only reason I can see is because the lines ensure that you or people you like won't be punished.

You make and spend far more money than I do each year, I am sure.  Every dollar you spend is another liter of oil burned, somewhere, somehow.

Not too new to tell.  The evidence is in.  The earth is fucked.

The line isn't arbitrary.  It's the point on the economic scale where you have enough power to make a difference.


RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 13, 2018, 07:50:53 AM
The oil is gonna all get burned. Get used to it. When it's gone, life will either go on or not go on. What I do or don't do makes absolutely no difference.

Your self-serving POV might make you feel better, but it has no impact on me or anybody else. It does happen to  piss me off and make me care a little less about what happens to assholes who think they have it all figured out.

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 13, 2018, 08:37:34 AM
The point I was always trying to make, and the one you and most other people either don't get, or choose to ignore (in your case it's the latter), is that it's not the so-called 1% that are the problem. It's the .01% at the top of the heap. Even this article from Globalinequality.org keeps talking about the one percent as if anybody with a million bucks is part of a cabal of financial vampires. It just ain't so, and their own stats prove it, to anybody with half a brain.


Capgemini and RBC Wealth Management define a “high net worth individual” as someone with at least $1 million in investment assets (not including their primary residence and consumer goods). The vast bulk of the world’s millionaires hold less than $5 million. But the top tier of these wealthy individuals, those with at least $30 million, had the fastest growth rate between 2016 and 2017, rising 25.5 percent to 174,800.




Only one American in 4500 has a net worth of 30 million. Chop all their heads off. Nobody would even notice.


https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/

People can start complaining about the .01% once they stop incessantly using Amazon, Facebook, Apple products etc.

The problem is BOTH the .001 per cent, who are disproportionately responsible for vast income distribution inequities, and the 10 per cent, who your refer to, and who sure as hell don't want to hear about it.

At least some of the richest people in the world are responsible for some of the most widely-used, culturally transformative technologies. They are responsible for income inequality in the sense that they happened to figure out what everyone else would buy into. I could be wrong, but I think that is way more than 10% of Americans. Probably more than 10% of people worldwide when combined.

If we decide to use an equally arbitrary measure, globally speaking, you and I are part of the 1%, and people a little more fortunate/skilled are the .01%. Why aren't we the problem, globally speaking?

Who says we are not?

As you well know, it all depends on where you choose to draw the line and sort: $10,000, $100,000, $1,000,000, $10,000,000, $100,000,000, etc.

And as long as we're choosing arbitrary measures to muddy the argument, why not choose "all vertebrates?" That way every human living is automatically in the 1 per cent. As meaningful as those graphs MKing used to toss around correlating "peak oil" with "peak rock music;" an exercise in absurdity.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 13, 2018, 08:44:11 AM

Wall Street, Banks, and Angry Citizens
The Inequality Gap on a Planet Growing More Extreme
By Nomi Prins

As we head into 2019, leaving the chaos of this year behind, a major question remains unanswered when it comes to the state of Main Street, not just here but across the planet. If the global economy really is booming, as many politicians claim, why are leaders and their parties around the world continuing to get booted out of office in such a sweeping fashion?

One obvious answer: the post-Great Recession economic “recovery” was largely reserved for the few who could participate in the rising financial markets of those years, not the majority who continued to work longer hours, sometimes at multiple jobs, to stay afloat. In other words, the good times have left out so many people, like those struggling to keep even afew hundred dollarsin their bank accounts to cover an emergency or the80%of American workers who live paycheck to paycheck.

In today's global economy, financial security is increasingly the property of the 1%. No surprise, then, that, as a sense of economic instability continued to grow over the past decade, angst turned to anger, a transition that -- from the U.S. to the Philippines, Hungary to Brazil, Poland to Mexico -- has provoked a plethora of voter upheavals. In the process, a 1930s-style brew of rising nationalism and blaming the “other” -- whether that other was an immigrant, a religious group, a country, or the rest of the world -- emerged.

This phenomenon offered a series of Trumpian figures, including of course The Donald himself, an opening to ride a wave of “populism” to the heights of the political system. That the backgrounds and records of none of them -- whether you’re talking about Donald Trump, Viktor Orbán, Rodrigo Duterte, or Jair Bolsonaro (among others) -- reflected the daily concerns of the “common people,” as the classic definition of populism might have it, hardly mattered. Even a billionaire could, it turned out, exploit economic insecurity effectively and use it to rise to ultimate power.

Ironically, as that American master at evoking the fears of apprentices everywhere showed, to assume the highest office in the land was only to begin a process of creating yet more fear and insecurity. Trump’s trade wars, for instance, have typically infused the world with increased anxietyand distrust toward the U.S., even as they thwarted the ability of domestic businessl eaders and ordinary people to plan for the future. Meanwhile, just under the surface of the reputed good times, the damage to that future only intensified. In other words, the groundwork has already been laid for what could be a frightening transformation, both domestically and globally.

That Old Financial Crisis

To understand how we got here, let’s take a step back. Only a decade ago, the world experienced a genuine global financial crisis, a meltdown of the first order. Economic growth ended; shrinking economies threatened to collapse; countless jobs were cut; homes were foreclosed upon and lives wrecked. For regular people, access to credit suddenly disappeared. No wonder fears rose. No wonder for so many a brighter tomorrow ceased to exist.

The details of just why the Great Recession happened have since been glossed over by time and partisan spin. This September, when the 10th anniversary of the collapse of the global financial services firm Lehman Brothers came around, major business news channels considered whether the world might be at risk of another such crisis. However, coverage of such fears, like so many other topics, was quickly tossed aside in favor of paying yet more attention to Donald Trump’s latest tweets, complaints, insults, and lies. Why? Because such a crisis was so 2008 in a year in which, it wasclaimed,we were enjoying a first class economic high and edging toward thelongestbull-market in Wall Street history. When it came to “boom versus gloom,” boom won hands down.

None of that changed one thing, though: most people still feel left behind both in the U.S. and globally. Thanks to the massive accumulation of wealth by a 1% skilled at gaming the system, the roots of a crisis that didn’t end with the end of the Great Recession have spread across the planet, while the dividing line between the “have-nots” and the “have-a-lots” only sharpened and widened.

Though the media hasn’t been paying much attention to the resulting inequality, the statistics (when you see them) on that ever-widening wealth gap are mind-boggling. According to Inequality.org, for instance, those with at least $30 million in wealth globally had the fastest growth rate of any group between 2016 and 2017. The size of that club rose by 25.5% during those years, to 174,800 members. Or if you really want to grasp what’s been happening, consider that, between 2009 and 2017, the number of billionaires whose combined wealth was greater than that of the world’s poorest 50% fell from 380 to just eight. And by the way, despite claims by the president that every other country is screwing America, the U.S. leads the pack when it comes to the growth of inequality. As Inequality.org notes, it has “much greater shares of national wealth and income going to the richest 1% than any other country.”

That, in part, is due to an institution many in the U.S. normally pay little attention to: the U.S. central bank, the Federal Reserve. It helped spark that increase in wealth disparity domestically and globally by adopting a post-crisis monetary policy in which electronically fabricated money (via a program called quantitative easing, or QE) was offered to banks and corporations at significantly cheaper rates than to ordinary Americans.

Pumped into financial markets, that money sent stock prices soaring, which naturally ballooned the wealth of the small percentage of the population that actually owned stocks. According to the Fed’s own Survey of Consumer Finances, “It is hardly a stretch to conclude that QE exacerbated America’s already severe income disparities.”

Wall Street, Central Banks, and Everyday People

What has since taken place around the world seems right out of the 1930s. At that time, as the world was emerging from the Great Depression, a sense of broad economic security was slow to return. Instead, fascism and other forms of nationalism only gained steam as people turned on the usual cast of politicians, on other countries, and on each other. (If that sounds faintly Trumpian to you, it should.)

In our post-2008 era, people have witnessedtrillionsof dollars flowing into bank bailouts and other financial subsidies, not just from governments but from the world's major central banks. Theoretically, private banks, as a result, would have more money and pay less interest to get it. They would then lend that money to Main Street. Businesses, big and small, would tap into those funds and, in turn, produce real economic growth through expansion, hiring sprees, and wage increases. People would then have more dollars in their pockets and, feeling more financially secure, would spend that money driving the economy to new heights -- and all, of course, would then be well.

That fairy tale was pitched around the globe. In fact, cheap money also pushed debt to epic levels, while the share prices of banks rose, as did those of all sorts of other firms, to record-shattering heights.

Even in the U.S., however, where a magnificent recovery was supposed to have been in place for years, actual economic growth simply didn’t materialize at the levels promised. At2% per year, the average growth of the American gross domestic product over the past decade, for instance, has been half the average of 4% before the 2008 crisis. Similar numbers were repeated throughout the developed world and most emerging markets. In the meantime, total global debt hit$247 trillionin the first quarter of 2018. As theInstitute of International Financefound, countries were, on average, borrowing about three dollars for every dollar of goods or services created.

Global Consequences

What the Fed (along with central banks from Europe to Japan) ignited, in fact, was a disproportionate rise in the stock and bond markets with the money they created. That capital sought higher and faster returns than could be achieved in crucial infrastructure or social strengthening projects like building roads, high-speed railways, hospitals, or schools.

What followed was anything but fair. As former Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellennotedfour years ago, “It is no secret that the past few decades of widening inequality can be summed up as significant income and wealth gains for those at the very top and stagnant living standards for the majority.” And, of course, continuing to pour money into the highest levels of the private banking system was anything but a formula for walking that back.

Instead, as more citizens fell behind, a sense of disenfranchisement and bitterness with existing governments only grew. In the U.S., that meant Donald Trump. In the United Kingdom, similar discontent was reflected in the June 2016 Brexit vote to leave the European Union (EU), which those who felt economically squeezed to death clearly meant as aslap atboth the establishment domestically and EU leaders abroad.

Since then, multiple governments in the European Union, too, have shifted toward the populist right. In Germany, recent elections swung bothrightandleftjust six years after, in July 2012, European Central Bank (ECB) head Mario Draghiexuded optimismover the ability of such banks to protect the financial system, the Euro, and generally hold things together.

Like the Fed in the U.S., the ECB went on to manufacture money, adding another$3 trillionto its books that would be deployed to buy bonds from favored countries and companies. That artificial stimulus, too, only increased inequality within and between countries in Europe. Meanwhile, Brexit negotiations remain ruinously divisive,threateningto rip Great Britain apart.

Nor was such a story the captive of the North Atlantic. In Brazil, where left-wing president Dilma Rouseff was ousted from power in 2016, her successor Michel Temer oversaw plummeting economic growth and escalating unemployment. That, in turn, led to the election of that country’s own Donald Trump, nationalistic far-right candidate Jair Bolsonaro who won a striking55.2%of the vote against a backdrop of popular discontent. In true Trumpian style, he is disposed against both the very idea of climate change and multilateral trade agreements.

In Mexico, dissatisfied voters similarly rejected the political known, but by swinging left for thefirst timein 70 years. New president Andrés Manuel López Obrador, popularly known by his initials AMLO, promised to put the needs of ordinary Mexicans first. However, he has the U.S. -- and the whims of Donald Trump and his “great wall” -- to contend with, which could hamper those efforts.

As AMLO took office onDecember 1st, the G20 summit of world leaders was unfolding in Argentina. There, amid a glittering backdrop of power and influence, the trade war between the U.S. and the world’s rising superpower, China, came even more clearly into focus. While its president, Xi Jinping, having fully consolidated power amid a wave of Chinese nationalism, could become his country’slongest servingleader, he faces an international landscape that would have amazed and befuddled Mao Zedong.

Though Trump declared his meeting with Xi a success because the two sides agreed on a90-day tariff truce, his promptappointmentof an anti-Chinese hardliner, Robert Lighthizer, to head negotiations, a tweet in which he referred to himself in superhero fashion as a “Tariff Man,” and news that the U.S. had requested that Canada arrest and extradite an executive of a key Chinese tech company, caused the Dow to take itsfourth largest plungein history and thenfluctuate wildlyas economic fears of a future “Great Something” rose. More uncertainty and distrust were the true product of that meeting.

In fact, we are now in a world whose key leaders, especially the president of the United States, remain willfully oblivious to its long-term problems, putting policies like deregulation, fake nationalist solutions, and profits for the already grotesquely wealthy ahead of the future lives of the mass of citizens. Consider theyellow-vest proteststhat have broken out in France, where protestors identifying with left and right political parties are calling for the resignation of neoliberal French President Emmanuel Macron. Many of them, from financially starved provincial towns, are angry that their purchasing power has dropped so low they can barelymake ends meet

Ultimately, what transcends geography and geopolitics is an underlying level of economic discontent sparked by twenty-first-century economics and a resulting Grand Canyon-sized global inequality gap that is stillwidening. Whether the protests go left or right, what continues to lie at the heart of the matter is the way failed policies and stop-gap measures put in place around the world are no longer working, not when it comes to the non-1% anyway. People fromWashingtontoParis,LondontoBeijing, increasingly grasp that their economic circumstances are not getting better and are not likely to in any presently imaginable future, given those now in power.

A Dangerous Recipe

The financial crisis of 2008 initially fostered a policy of bailing out banks with cheap money that went not into Main Street economies but into markets enriching the few. As a result, large numbers of people increasingly felt that they were being left behind and so turned against their leaders and sometimes each other as well.

This situation was then exploited by a set of self-appointed politicians of the people, including a billionaire TV personality who capitalized on an increasingly widespread fear of a future at risk. Their promises of economic prosperity were wrapped in populist platitudes, normally (but not always) of a right-wing sort. Lost in this shift away from previously dominant political parties and the systems that went with them was a true form of populism, which would genuinely put the needs of the majority of people over the elite few, build real things including infrastructure, foster organic wealth distribution, and stabilize economies above financial markets.

In the meantime, what we have is, of course, a recipe for an increasingly unstable and vicious world.

Nomi Prins is aTomDispatchregular. Her latest book isCollusion: How Central Bankers Rigged the World(Nation Books). Of her six other books, the most recent isAll the Presidents' Bankers: The Hidden Alliances That Drive American Power. She is a former Wall Street executive. Special thanks go to researcher Craig Wilson for his superb work on this piece.

Copyright 2018 Nomi Prins

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 13, 2018, 09:11:27 AM
The oil is gonna all get burned. Get used to it. When it's gone, life will either go on or not go on. What I do or don't do makes absolutely no difference.

I didn't say it makes a difference or all the oil wouldn't get burned.  I just drew the equivalence between money and oil.  Money is a proxy for oil, and the more you spend, the more oil you are burning.  That is straightforward math.

To be clear on the difference issue, where it makes a difference is in aggregate and the SPEED with which it gets burned.  The more people who live high consumption lifestyles, the faster it gets burned and the more carbon that goes up in to the atmosphere that much more quickly, shortening the overall timespan to +2C.

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Your self-serving POV might make you feel better, but it has no impact on me or anybody else. It does happen to  piss me off and make me care a little less about what happens to assholes who think they have it all figured out.

Nice Ad Hom!  Clearly I hit a nerve.   ;D

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 13, 2018, 09:34:41 AM
The point I was always trying to make, and the one you and most other people either don't get, or choose to ignore (in your case it's the latter), is that it's not the so-called 1% that are the problem. It's the .01% at the top of the heap. Even this article from Globalinequality.org keeps talking about the one percent as if anybody with a million bucks is part of a cabal of financial vampires. It just ain't so, and their own stats prove it, to anybody with half a brain.


Capgemini and RBC Wealth Management define a “high net worth individual” as someone with at least $1 million in investment assets (not including their primary residence and consumer goods). The vast bulk of the world’s millionaires hold less than $5 million. But the top tier of these wealthy individuals, those with at least $30 million, had the fastest growth rate between 2016 and 2017, rising 25.5 percent to 174,800.




Only one American in 4500 has a net worth of 30 million. Chop all their heads off. Nobody would even notice.


https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/

People can start complaining about the .01% once they stop incessantly using Amazon, Facebook, Apple products etc.

The problem is BOTH the .001 per cent, who are disproportionately responsible for vast income distribution inequities, and the 10 per cent, who your refer to, and who sure as hell don't want to hear about it.

At least some of the richest people in the world are responsible for some of the most widely-used, culturally transformative technologies. They are responsible for income inequality in the sense that they happened to figure out what everyone else would buy into. I could be wrong, but I think that is way more than 10% of Americans. Probably more than 10% of people worldwide when combined.

If we decide to use an equally arbitrary measure, globally speaking, you and I are part of the 1%, and people a little more fortunate/skilled are the .01%. Why aren't we the problem, globally speaking?

Who says we are not?

As you well know, it all depends on where you choose to draw the line and sort: $10,000, $100,000, $1,000,000, $10,000,000, $100,000,000, etc.

And as long as we're choosing arbitrary measures to muddy the argument, why not choose "all vertebrates?" That way every human living is automatically in the 1 per cent. As meaningful as those graphs MKing used to toss around correlating "peak oil" with "peak rock music;" an exercise in absurdity.

That is exactly my point. There's no non-arbitrary reason to place more blame for wealth inequality on one income group than any other income group, because we all contribute to the problem in significant ways. We are all complicit in the systems which produce it, we all have a vested interest. Yet I see this argument on here all the time. For ex, it has been used recently and frequently against Eddie or I anytime we criticize Marxist dogma.

RE, you say it's non-arbitrary but you cannot support that claim. In addition to choosing arbitrary income numbers, you are choosing arbitrary time frames from which to assess them, i.e. you would rather focus on the present than 30 years ago because this happens to be the time when you aren't earning and spending much money.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 13, 2018, 09:44:12 AM
you would rather focus on the present than 30 years ago because this happens to be the time when you aren't earning and spending much money.

The past is history.  I live in the present, and so do you.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on December 13, 2018, 10:14:10 AM
Loved that book Surly....
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 13, 2018, 10:23:02 AM
At least some of the richest people in the world are responsible for some of the most widely-used, culturally transformative technologies. They are responsible for income inequality in the sense that they happened to figure out what everyone else would buy into. I could be wrong, but I think that is way more than 10% of Americans. Probably more than 10% of people worldwide when combined.

If we decide to use an equally arbitrary measure, globally speaking, you and I are part of the 1%, and people a little more fortunate/skilled are the .01%. Why aren't we the problem, globally speaking?

Who says we are not?

As you well know, it all depends on where you choose to draw the line and sort: $10,000, $100,000, $1,000,000, $10,000,000, $100,000,000, etc.

And as long as we're choosing arbitrary measures to muddy the argument, why not choose "all vertebrates?" That way every human living is automatically in the 1 per cent. As meaningful as those graphs MKing used to toss around correlating "peak oil" with "peak rock music;" an exercise in absurdity.
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That is exactly my point. There's no non-arbitrary reason to place more blame for wealth inequality on one income group than any other income group, because we all contribute to the problem in significant ways. We are all complicit in the systems which produce it, we all have a vested interest. Yet I see this argument on here all the time. For ex, it has been used recently and frequently against Eddie or I anytime we criticize Marxist dogma.


You are using the same perverted logic that the anti-intellectual Christopaths used to use to argue against the theory of evolution: "Teach the controversy." There WAS no controversy until a gaggle of flat-earthers decided to jerk one another off and proclaim one.

You don't choose to draw a line because it disadvantages you.

Deny the numbers all you like, sort and sift all you want, inequality gets worse every day, because capitalism. And the quislings who hold their coats.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 13, 2018, 11:26:38 AM
At least some of the richest people in the world are responsible for some of the most widely-used, culturally transformative technologies. They are responsible for income inequality in the sense that they happened to figure out what everyone else would buy into. I could be wrong, but I think that is way more than 10% of Americans. Probably more than 10% of people worldwide when combined.

If we decide to use an equally arbitrary measure, globally speaking, you and I are part of the 1%, and people a little more fortunate/skilled are the .01%. Why aren't we the problem, globally speaking?

Who says we are not?

As you well know, it all depends on where you choose to draw the line and sort: $10,000, $100,000, $1,000,000, $10,000,000, $100,000,000, etc.

And as long as we're choosing arbitrary measures to muddy the argument, why not choose "all vertebrates?" That way every human living is automatically in the 1 per cent. As meaningful as those graphs MKing used to toss around correlating "peak oil" with "peak rock music;" an exercise in absurdity.
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That is exactly my point. There's no non-arbitrary reason to place more blame for wealth inequality on one income group than any other income group, because we all contribute to the problem in significant ways. We are all complicit in the systems which produce it, we all have a vested interest. Yet I see this argument on here all the time. For ex, it has been used recently and frequently against Eddie or I anytime we criticize Marxist dogma.


You are using the same perverted logic that the anti-intellectual Christopaths used to use to argue against the theory of evolution: "Teach the controversy." There WAS no controversy until a gaggle of flat-earthers decided to jerk one another off and proclaim one.

You don't choose to draw a line because it disadvantages you.

Deny the numbers all you like, sort and sift all you want, inequality gets worse every day, because capitalism. And the quislings who hold their coats.

So you agree the lines YOU draw are arbitrary, but you still continue to draw them? What material advantage do I get from refusing to blame other groups of people for my problems? None. You guys get a huge advantage from drawing the lines wherever you see fit - alleviating yourself from personal responsibility for these problems and having a convenient set of people to point the fingers at, a simple set of characters to populate your "capitalism is bad" ideological narratives.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 13, 2018, 11:28:05 AM
you would rather focus on the present than 30 years ago because this happens to be the time when you aren't earning and spending much money.

The past is history.  I live in the present, and so do you.

RE

So because you were fucking up the planet before I was born, that gets you off the hook?
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 13, 2018, 11:40:04 AM
you would rather focus on the present than 30 years ago because this happens to be the time when you aren't earning and spending much money.

The past is history.  I live in the present, and so do you.

RE

So because you were fucking up the planet before I was born, that gets you off the hook?

No, I am "on the hook" also, although over my lifespan my large expenditures of money & energy were fairly short lived, lasting basically through my early 20s.  I also was unaware of these connections back then, you are aware of them now.  For the last 30 years, I have lived a very money & energy frugal lifestyle.  I can and do get by on less than $20K/year, and actually live quite well at this level.  How much do you need to maintain your lifestyle every year?

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 13, 2018, 12:31:27 PM
you would rather focus on the present than 30 years ago because this happens to be the time when you aren't earning and spending much money.

The past is history.  I live in the present, and so do you.

RE

So because you were fucking up the planet before I was born, that gets you off the hook?

No, I am "on the hook" also, although over my lifespan my large expenditures of money & energy were fairly short lived, lasting basically through my early 20s.  I also was unaware of these connections back then, you are aware of them now.  For the last 30 years, I have lived a very money & energy frugal lifestyle.  I can and do get by on less than $20K/year, and actually live quite well at this level.  How much do you need to maintain your lifestyle every year?

RE

But you were doing this at a time when things weren't so bad they couldn't be reversed. Any changes to my lifestyle may be too late to make a difference.

Anyway, you admit you are on the hook also. All the buts and althoughs dont matter.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 13, 2018, 02:38:53 PM

So you agree the lines YOU draw are arbitrary, but you still continue to draw them? What material advantage do I get from refusing to blame other groups of people for my problems? None. You guys get a huge advantage from drawing the lines wherever you see fit - alleviating yourself from personal responsibility for these problems and having a convenient set of people to point the fingers at, a simple set of characters to populate your "capitalism is bad" ideological narratives.

That's nucking futz. I have never "alleviated myself from personal responsibility for these problems" because I am directly, painfully aware that my lifestyle is, in the long view, horribly profligate of energy. That is why I have said that, although the .01 per cent are malefactors of great wealth forfeit of mercy, the bulk of environmental impacts come from the 10 per cent in this country. (I am not in the top 10 per cent according to Investopedia, but close enough for argument.

You refuse to "draw lines" because you don't like the implications and the conclusions. And the responsibilities.  Self-serving as fuck. Meanwhile, I have no illusions, and make such adjustments and preparations as I can.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 13, 2018, 02:39:45 PM
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How much do you need to maintain your lifestyle every year?

RE

Maybe $100k/yr.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 13, 2018, 02:43:04 PM
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How much do you need to maintain your lifestyle every year?

RE

Maybe $100k/yr.

I rest my case.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 13, 2018, 02:53:51 PM

So you agree the lines YOU draw are arbitrary, but you still continue to draw them? What material advantage do I get from refusing to blame other groups of people for my problems? None. You guys get a huge advantage from drawing the lines wherever you see fit - alleviating yourself from personal responsibility for these problems and having a convenient set of people to point the fingers at, a simple set of characters to populate your "capitalism is bad" ideological narratives.

That's nucking futz. I have never "alleviated myself from personal responsibility for these problems" because I am directly, painfully aware that my lifestyle is, in the long view, horribly profligate of energy. That is why I have said that, although the .01 per cent are malefactors of great wealth forfeit of mercy, the bulk of environmental impacts come from the 10 per cent in this country. (I am not in the top 10 per cent according to Investopedia, but close enough for argument.

You refuse to "draw lines" because you don't like the implications and the conclusions. And the responsibilities.  Self-serving as fuck. Meanwhile, I have no illusions, and make such adjustments and preparations as I can.

How is being "painfully aware" of something taking responsibility for it? If you really believe your lifestyle is a huge problem for energy/environmental collapse, and you really prioritize those things above your own interests, and the interests of your family, then give it up. Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.

I refuse to draw lines, because as we have already established here, the lines are completely arbitrary. I also take my human nature seriously, the shadow personality we were talking about on another thread, and know that I cannot be trusted to draw the lines justly. The people who are eager to draw lines are the ones who are drawing them for either self-serving or nihilistic reasons.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 14, 2018, 02:20:01 AM
How is being "painfully aware" of something taking responsibility for it? If you really believe your lifestyle is a huge problem for energy/environmental collapse, and you really prioritize those things above your own interests, and the interests of your family, then give it up. Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.

That would be both wrong and stupid. I refuse to start being either at this phase of life.

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"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."  --Edmund Burke
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 14, 2018, 08:44:06 AM
How is being "painfully aware" of something taking responsibility for it? If you really believe your lifestyle is a huge problem for energy/environmental collapse, and you really prioritize those things above your own interests, and the interests of your family, then give it up. Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.

That would be both wrong and stupid. I refuse to start being either at this phase of life.

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"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."  --Edmund Burke

If it's "wrong and stupid" to change your lifestyle, then you don't believe its contributing to environmental collapse. Or you don't believe its a priority worth putting above your own interests or those of your family. Which makes great sense to me, I just wish we didn't have to go through all of this for that to come out.

If people spent more time thinking about how to take care of themselves and take care of their families, and less time on finding people to blame and talking (rarely acting) about radically changing the system, the world would be a much better place.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 14, 2018, 08:56:13 AM
If people spent more time thinking about how to take care of themselves and take care of their families, and less time on finding people to blame and talking (rarely acting) about radically changing the system, the world would be a much better place.

If more people lived on $20K/year instead of $100K/year, we would have a little more time to discuss this and take care of our families.  Conspicuous Consumption is killing the planet and killing Homo Sap.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 14, 2018, 09:42:17 AM
How is being "painfully aware" of something taking responsibility for it? If you really believe your lifestyle is a huge problem for energy/environmental collapse, and you really prioritize those things above your own interests, and the interests of your family, then give it up. Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.

That would be both wrong and stupid. I refuse to start being either at this phase of life.

Quote
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."  --Edmund Burke

If it's "wrong and stupid" to change your lifestyle, then you don't believe its contributing to environmental collapse. Or you don't believe its a priority worth putting above your own interests or those of your family. Which makes great sense to me, I just wish we didn't have to go through all of this for that to come out.

If people spent more time thinking about how to take care of themselves and take care of their families, and less time on finding people to blame and talking (rarely acting) about radically changing the system, the world would be a much better place.

This exchange right here

...is how a demagogue takes words and twists them to achieve a new meaning to discredit an opponent in a manner not possible with logic or honesty.
At NO time did I say  " it's 'wrong and stupid' to change your lifestyle." As anyone paying the merest attention would see, it would be "wrong and stupid" for me to take your proffered advice to stop "castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest."

IN reply I offered the Burke quote. It is a moral necessity to fight evil, for which you have no identified as one of its foot-soldiers. As I expounded in a recent blog post, there is no working "center" for one to find when your opponents want you dead.

Ashvin, you are very bright, and can engage in sufficient logorrhea to create a decent-sounding argument in the same way that the golem of Hebrew literature and folklore is said to have been a body made of clay, without a soul. you are just another pernicious acolyte of Mammon and the dark forces of capitalism, which inevitably lead to human destruction.

There are plenty of sites that fellate Trump, Alan Greenspan, Milton Friedman and the like. Go be their towel boy. You are in the wrong pissoir making that argument. Enjoy your new friends at The Burning platform, where views like yours are both commonplace and welcome.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 14, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
How is being "painfully aware" of something taking responsibility for it? If you really believe your lifestyle is a huge problem for energy/environmental collapse, and you really prioritize those things above your own interests, and the interests of your family, then give it up. Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.

That would be both wrong and stupid. I refuse to start being either at this phase of life.

Quote
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."  --Edmund Burke

If it's "wrong and stupid" to change your lifestyle, then you don't believe its contributing to environmental collapse. Or you don't believe its a priority worth putting above your own interests or those of your family. Which makes great sense to me, I just wish we didn't have to go through all of this for that to come out.

If people spent more time thinking about how to take care of themselves and take care of their families, and less time on finding people to blame and talking (rarely acting) about radically changing the system, the world would be a much better place.

This exchange right here

...is how a demagogue takes words and twists them to achieve a new meaning to discredit an opponent in a manner not possible with logic or honesty.
At NO time did I say  " it's 'wrong and stupid' to change your lifestyle." As anyone paying the merest attention would see, it would be "wrong and stupid" for me to take your proffered advice to stop "castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest."

IN reply I offered the Burke quote. It is a moral necessity to fight evil, for which you have no identified as one of its foot-soldiers. As I expounded in a recent blog post, there is no working "center" for one to find when your opponents want you dead.

Ashvin, you are very bright, and can engage in sufficient logorrhea to create a decent-sounding argument in the same way that the golem of Hebrew literature and folklore is said to have been a body made of clay, without a soul. you are just another pernicious acolyte of Mammon and the dark forces of capitalism, which inevitably lead to human destruction.

There are plenty of sites that fellate Trump, Alan Greenspan, Milton Friedman and the like. Go be their towel boy. You are in the wrong pissoir making that argument. Enjoy your new friends at The Burning platform, where views like yours are both commonplace and welcome.

Bravo!
  :icon_sunny:

He's a fucking Fascist Troll, plain and simple.

(https://inforrm.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/internet-troll.jpg)

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 14, 2018, 10:48:08 AM
No...no he isn't. We've had our share of trolls, but no real fascist trolls. I expect they know they aren't welcome, without any explicit explanations.

Ashvin's just a little OCD at times. He disagrees with you, and maybe he's wrong at times, but he's no fascist. Not even close.

When he gets his teeth into something, he just has a hard time letting go.

You only let him hang around so you can trash him. It's turned into a sport around here. He must think it's important to stick around. He shows amazing respect, considering that he get zero respect himself.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 14, 2018, 11:10:07 AM
. He shows amazing respect, considering that he get zero respect himself.

Not Zero.  He gets your respect apparently.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 14, 2018, 11:33:55 AM
He's grown up a lot. Some people never quite manage that. I don't always agree with Ashvin, but I think he's making progress.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 14, 2018, 12:36:16 PM
How is being "painfully aware" of something taking responsibility for it? If you really believe your lifestyle is a huge problem for energy/environmental collapse, and you really prioritize those things above your own interests, and the interests of your family, then give it up. Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.

That would be both wrong and stupid. I refuse to start being either at this phase of life.

Quote
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."  --Edmund Burke

If it's "wrong and stupid" to change your lifestyle, then you don't believe its contributing to environmental collapse. Or you don't believe its a priority worth putting above your own interests or those of your family. Which makes great sense to me, I just wish we didn't have to go through all of this for that to come out.

If people spent more time thinking about how to take care of themselves and take care of their families, and less time on finding people to blame and talking (rarely acting) about radically changing the system, the world would be a much better place.

This exchange right here

...is how a demagogue takes words and twists them to achieve a new meaning to discredit an opponent in a manner not possible with logic or honesty.
At NO time did I say  " it's 'wrong and stupid' to change your lifestyle." As anyone paying the merest attention would see, it would be "wrong and stupid" for me to take your proffered advice to stop "castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest."

IN reply I offered the Burke quote. It is a moral necessity to fight evil, for which you have no identified as one of its foot-soldiers. As I expounded in a recent blog post, there is no working "center" for one to find when your opponents want you dead.

Ashvin, you are very bright, and can engage in sufficient logorrhea to create a decent-sounding argument in the same way that the golem of Hebrew literature and folklore is said to have been a body made of clay, without a soul. you are just another pernicious acolyte of Mammon and the dark forces of capitalism, which inevitably lead to human destruction.

There are plenty of sites that fellate Trump, Alan Greenspan, Milton Friedman and the like. Go be their towel boy. You are in the wrong pissoir making that argument. Enjoy your new friends at The Burning platform, where views like yours are both commonplace and welcome.

Surly, if you don't want to be misconstrued, try saying what you mean plainly. So you think it is of utmost priority to change lifestyles, but you don't do it. Why? Can you just explain what is holding you back from living more like RE, for example?

It's not wrong and stupid to put yourself into a coherent state of being before going on a crusade against all of your perceived enemies. In fact, this is the central message of Christ, who I'm sure you agree was neither wrong nor stupid.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 14, 2018, 12:40:54 PM
If people spent more time thinking about how to take care of themselves and take care of their families, and less time on finding people to blame and talking (rarely acting) about radically changing the system, the world would be a much better place.

If more people lived on $20K/year instead of $100K/year, we would have a little more time to discuss this and take care of our families.  Conspicuous Consumption is killing the planet and killing Homo Sap.

RE

What is "conspicuous consumption"? You act like its obvious what all of this means - living on $X/yr., consuming conspicuously and the killing of the planet and humans. NONE of those concepts are self-explanatory, let alone certain to be causally linked.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on December 14, 2018, 01:39:08 PM
He's grown up a lot. Some people never quite manage that. I don't always agree with Ashvin, but I think he's making progress.


After 2509 posts, ya' think.   :icon_mrgreen:

 
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 14, 2018, 01:47:55 PM
If people spent more time thinking about how to take care of themselves and take care of their families, and less time on finding people to blame and talking (rarely acting) about radically changing the system, the world would be a much better place.

If more people lived on $20K/year instead of $100K/year, we would have a little more time to discuss this and take care of our families.  Conspicuous Consumption is killing the planet and killing Homo Sap.

RE

What is "conspicuous consumption"? You act like its obvious what all of this means - living on $X/yr., consuming conspicuously and the killing of the planet and humans. NONE of those concepts are self-explanatory, let alone certain to be causally linked.

Needing $100K/year for an individual in Richmond, VA is conspicuous consumption.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 14, 2018, 03:54:56 PM
If people spent more time thinking about how to take care of themselves and take care of their families, and less time on finding people to blame and talking (rarely acting) about radically changing the system, the world would be a much better place.

If more people lived on $20K/year instead of $100K/year, we would have a little more time to discuss this and take care of our families.  Conspicuous Consumption is killing the planet and killing Homo Sap.

RE

What is "conspicuous consumption"? You act like its obvious what all of this means - living on $X/yr., consuming conspicuously and the killing of the planet and humans. NONE of those concepts are self-explanatory, let alone certain to be causally linked.

Needing $100K/year for an individual in Richmond, VA is conspicuous consumption.

RE

I live in Rockville, MD and work in Tysons Corner, so it's not exactly the Alaskan cost of living. Far from it.

You are trying so hard to shove me into your category of "evil capitalist consumer destroying the planet", like you do with Eddie, but it barely works on your own terms.

The real problem for your argument is that, based on the evidence and common sense, people who make and spend/invest large amounts of money are more likely to save the planet than anyone isolating themselves or playing radical activist in front of a computer screen or with their friends on the street.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 14, 2018, 04:05:33 PM

I live in Rockville, MD and work in Tysons Corner, so it's not exactly the Alaskan cost of living. Far from it.

You are trying so hard to shove me into your category of "evil capitalist consumer destroying the planet", like you do with Eddie, but it barely works on your own terms.

The real problem for your argument is that, based on the evidence and common sense, people who make and spend/invest large amounts of money are more likely to save the planet than anyone isolating themselves or playing radical activist in front of a computer screen or with their friends on the street.

You moved to Rockville, MD?  Not familiar with the CoL there, but it's not as high as Alaska, I can guarantee that one.

"People who make and spend/invest large amounts of money" are the LEAST likely people to save the planet.  They have too much invested in living this lifestyle, and they want to keep living that lifestyle as long as possible.  That's WHY they strive to make so much money.  Thus they Hope/Pray For BAU to continue onward as long as possible and do everything they can to try to insure that, like electing idiots like Trumpovetsky to POTUS.

RE
Title: Cost of Living by State 3rd Quarter 2018
Post by: RE on December 14, 2018, 04:20:36 PM

 

Third Quarter 2018 Cost of Living
State Rank Index  Grocery Housing Utilities Transportation Heath  Misc.
Mississippi 1 86.4 95.4 72.4 90.4 91.6 91.4 91.2
Oklahoma 2 87.1 93.7 72.9 95.8 92.4 91.3 91.7
Arkansas 3 88.5 90.5 75.4 91.9 91.0 84.1 97.3
Missouri 4 88.6 99.0 72.0 99.1 95.6 97.3 92.0
Wyoming 5 89.1 98.8 75.2 86.7 80.7 95.9 98.5
Tennessee 6 89.4 91.3 82.4 95.6 89.4 89.1 92.5
Alabama 7 89.6 96.9 71.6 103.2 92.8 88.0 96.7
Kansas 8 89.9 92.9 75.1 102.2 95.8 97.2 94.6
Indiana 9 90.0 90.1 75.5 97.4 99.4 96.2 96.3
Michigan 10 90.2 84.2 77.9 97.4 103.2 92.5 96.8
Texas 11 91.4 90.0 84.2 100.6 94.3 95.5 93.8
New Mexico 12 91.5 102.5 79.2 88.7 93.9 104.1 95.7
Iowa 13 91.5 98.1 78.8 100.3 97.5 98.0 94.5
Georgia 14 91.6 98.2 76.5 94.0 93.4 96.4 99.3
West Virginia 15 92.5 92.7 86.8 90.4 81.7 90.2 100.6
Ohio 16 93.0 97.5 76.9 93.8 102.3 96.8 101.2
Louisiana 17 93.1 99.3 86.8 89.4 97.7 94.3 95.6
Idaho 18 94.0 92.1 85.6 87.6 110.8 100.3 98.1
North Carolina 19 94.5 96.4 80.5 95.4 93.3 110.5 103.0
Nebraska 20 94.8 97.5 83.3 95.7 95.9 100.4 101.6
Kentucky 21 95.0 89.0 84.6 94.5 104.0 90.8 104.0
Illinois 22 95.7 94.3 89.0 97.3 103.9 99.2 98.7
Wisconsin 23 96.8 97.8 88.8 96.9 101.7 115.4 99.0
South Carolina 24 97.8 102.8 86.4 107.0 93.1 100.5 103.3
Arizona 25 97.9 99.9 95.3 107.4 105.7 94.9 95.1
South Dakota 26 98.0 103.3 109.1 92.1 93.8 95.9 90.0
Pennsylvania 27 98.4 100.6 92.8 106.9 107.7 92.1 98.1
Florida 28 99.1 108.2 95.6 100.0 98.8 96.3 98.6
North Dakota 29 99.6 108.9 93.2 90.4 105.8 115.9 99.9
Utah 30 100.0 102.8 96.0 93.0 108.4 95.3 102.5
Virginia 31 101.1 96.3 111.8 97.1 88.9 100.0 98.6
Minnesota 32 103.2 107.8 88.7 99.3 103.1 112.4 113.2
Delaware 33 104.7 107.2 98.3 98.8 102.5 101.2 111.6
Montana 34 105.9 104.9 113.3 85.9 98.2 106.6 107.8
New Hampshire 35 106.6 100.4 105.8 113.1 89.0 118.4 110.8
Colorado 36 107.3 101.9 126.1 86.7 103.2 103.1 101.9
Nevada 37 108.8 109.7 120.2 89.7 112.7 107.4 103.8
Washington 38 109.3 108.6 115.1 90.5 112.7 119.0 108.2
Maine 39 115.9 106.6 124.8 109.5 104.9 124.0 115.8
Vermont 40 117.2 110.5 140.5 115.9 112.2 103.0 104.4
Rhode Island 41 120.8 106.1 143.3 122.7 96.0 111.6 115.5
New Jersey 42 122.3 104.8 157.7 107.4 108.5 105.1 110.5
Massachusetts 43 129.2 113.7 167.1 106.7 110.5 121.5 116.8
Maryland 44 129.3 108.5 192.4 105.1 98.0 90.7 106.3
Oregon 45 129.4 112.6 185.1 87.4 118.1 113.7 107.8
Alaska 46 130.5 136.5 137.5 155.4 118.2 148.3 116.3
Connecticut 47 133.0 110.5 164.9 125.6 118.4 122.2 123.3
New York 48 134.0 112.2 195.7 106.1 105.4 104.6 111.8
California 49 137.2 116.6 192.7 120.8 126.1 111.4 111.1
District of Columbia 50 161.0 127.1 268.4 114.3 95.0 99.3 125.8
Hawaii 51 188.9 165.7 318.6 160.5 139.7 120.2 122.9
US Average 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0
Title: Re: Cost of Living by State 3rd Quarter 2018
Post by: azozeo on December 14, 2018, 04:51:39 PM
Looks like Ak & Md are in a horse race headed for the loser hall of fame as far as cost of bizness is concerned.
Az. holding middle ground.

The more you desire the more you have to pay to play.

Less IS more in my viewpoint.
Title: Re: Cost of Living by State 3rd Quarter 2018
Post by: RE on December 14, 2018, 04:59:31 PM
Looks like Ak & Md are in a horse race headed for the loser hall of fame as far as cost of bizness is concerned.
Az. holding middle ground.

The more you desire the more you have to pay to play.

Less IS more in my viewpoint.

I edited out your quote of the Table.  It was all html and unintelligible, plus a long scroll to get through.

RE
Title: Re: Cost of Living by State 3rd Quarter 2018
Post by: azozeo on December 14, 2018, 05:06:59 PM
Looks like Ak & Md are in a horse race headed for the loser hall of fame as far as cost of bizness is concerned.
Az. holding middle ground.

The more you desire the more you have to pay to play.

Less IS more in my viewpoint.

I edited out your quote of the Table.  It was all html and unintelligible, plus a long scroll to get through.

RE


Ok thanks...

But seriously, area's like Md & Ak are damn expensive to live in.

Our generation is catching on to living in the desert or more rural areas close to services.

Title: Re: Cost of Living by State 3rd Quarter 2018
Post by: RE on December 14, 2018, 05:17:28 PM
Looks like Ak & Md are in a horse race headed for the loser hall of fame as far as cost of bizness is concerned.
Az. holding middle ground.

The more you desire the more you have to pay to play.

Less IS more in my viewpoint.

I edited out your quote of the Table.  It was all html and unintelligible, plus a long scroll to get through.

RE


Ok thanks...

But seriously, area's like Md & Ak are damn expensive to live in.

Our generation is catching on to living in the desert or more rural areas close to services.

Well, you have the issue that our generation is living mostly on Mailbox Money.  If you wanna make lots of money by working, you gotta go to the high CoL states.  That's where the high salaries are also.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 15, 2018, 02:38:59 AM

This exchange right here

...is how a demagogue takes words and twists them to achieve a new meaning to discredit an opponent in a manner not possible with logic or honesty.
At NO time did I say  " it's 'wrong and stupid' to change your lifestyle." As anyone paying the merest attention would see, it would be "wrong and stupid" for me to take your proffered advice to stop "castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest."

IN reply I offered the Burke quote. It is a moral necessity to fight evil, for which you have no identified as one of its foot-soldiers. As I expounded in a recent blog post, there is no working "center" for one to find when your opponents want you dead.

Ashvin, you are very bright, and can engage in sufficient logorrhea to create a decent-sounding argument in the same way that the golem of Hebrew literature and folklore is said to have been a body made of clay, without a soul. you are just another pernicious acolyte of Mammon and the dark forces of capitalism, which inevitably lead to human destruction.

There are plenty of sites that fellate Trump, Alan Greenspan, Milton Friedman and the like. Go be their towel boy. You are in the wrong pissoir making that argument. Enjoy your new friends at The Burning platform, where views like yours are both commonplace and welcome.

Surly, if you don't want to be misconstrued, try saying what you mean plainly. So you think it is of utmost priority to change lifestyles, but you don't do it. Why? Can you just explain what is holding you back from living more like RE, for example?

You may be gaslight those who don't pay attention. I've already explained myself on this score. The fact that you don't read or refuse to understand is not my problem. Your restating of my words and views is either disingenuous or pernicious. It makes me not want to play with you anymore.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 15, 2018, 03:03:35 AM
It makes me not want to play with you anymore.

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 15, 2018, 04:16:35 AM

This exchange right here

...is how a demagogue takes words and twists them to achieve a new meaning to discredit an opponent in a manner not possible with logic or honesty.
At NO time did I say  " it's 'wrong and stupid' to change your lifestyle." As anyone paying the merest attention would see, it would be "wrong and stupid" for me to take your proffered advice to stop "castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest."

IN reply I offered the Burke quote. It is a moral necessity to fight evil, for which you have no identified as one of its foot-soldiers. As I expounded in a recent blog post, there is no working "center" for one to find when your opponents want you dead.

Ashvin, you are very bright, and can engage in sufficient logorrhea to create a decent-sounding argument in the same way that the golem of Hebrew literature and folklore is said to have been a body made of clay, without a soul. you are just another pernicious acolyte of Mammon and the dark forces of capitalism, which inevitably lead to human destruction.

There are plenty of sites that fellate Trump, Alan Greenspan, Milton Friedman and the like. Go be their towel boy. You are in the wrong pissoir making that argument. Enjoy your new friends at The Burning platform, where views like yours are both commonplace and welcome.

Surly, if you don't want to be misconstrued, try saying what you mean plainly. So you think it is of utmost priority to change lifestyles, but you don't do it. Why? Can you just explain what is holding you back from living more like RE, for example?

You may be gaslight those who don't pay attention. I've already explained myself on this score. The fact that you don't read or refuse to understand is not my problem. Your restating of my words and views is either disingenuous or pernicious. It makes me not want to play with you anymore.

To which I might add that, try as I might, there is literally no lifestyle change the individual can make to consequentially affect climate change when the ultra rich and their corporations are responsible for the vast majority of our climate pollution.  And they have people like you to hold their coats.

Individual action is tossed around all the time. "Eat less meat" and "bike more often" are cheapjack takes that you can find anywhere on the political spectrum. Which is fine, because each one of us should still definitely do what we're capable of doing. But it must coupled with an intense focus on creating the political will to undermine capitalism and the profit motive, the "one ring to bind them all."

If you cannot comprehend the necessity of deep systemic change from the top down, there is no argument I can make to convince you. If we so much as suggest that perhaps holding the government's feet to the fire to demand progressive climate policies targeting the rich and corporations, in tandem with a green new deal for the working class, people like you assume you’re we're just fucking lazy or hypocritical for not buying a green car or going vegan. (Which will do fuck all to save us).

Zizek said that it’s easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism. We’re just so beyond the pale.

"Rugged individualism" will be the death of the world. We've already seen the wages of nationalism in Europe in the 30s and 40s.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 15, 2018, 04:37:50 AM

This exchange right here

...is how a demagogue takes words and twists them to achieve a new meaning to discredit an opponent in a manner not possible with logic or honesty.
At NO time did I say  " it's 'wrong and stupid' to change your lifestyle." As anyone paying the merest attention would see, it would be "wrong and stupid" for me to take your proffered advice to stop "castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest."

IN reply I offered the Burke quote. It is a moral necessity to fight evil, for which you have no identified as one of its foot-soldiers. As I expounded in a recent blog post, there is no working "center" for one to find when your opponents want you dead.

Ashvin, you are very bright, and can engage in sufficient logorrhea to create a decent-sounding argument in the same way that the golem of Hebrew literature and folklore is said to have been a body made of clay, without a soul. you are just another pernicious acolyte of Mammon and the dark forces of capitalism, which inevitably lead to human destruction.

There are plenty of sites that fellate Trump, Alan Greenspan, Milton Friedman and the like. Go be their towel boy. You are in the wrong pissoir making that argument. Enjoy your new friends at The Burning platform, where views like yours are both commonplace and welcome.

Surly, if you don't want to be misconstrued, try saying what you mean plainly. So you think it is of utmost priority to change lifestyles, but you don't do it. Why? Can you just explain what is holding you back from living more like RE, for example?

You may be gaslight those who don't pay attention. I've already explained myself on this score. The fact that you don't read or refuse to understand is not my problem. Your restating of my words and views is either disingenuous or pernicious. It makes me not want to play with you anymore.

To which I might add that, try as I might, there is literally no lifestyle change the individual can make to consequentially affect climate change when the ultra rich and their corporations are responsible for the vast majority of our climate pollution.  And they have people like you to hold their coats.

Individual action is tossed around all the time. "Eat less meat" and "bike more often" are cheapjack takes that you can find anywhere on the political spectrum. Which is fine, because each one of us should still definitely do what we're capable of doing. But it must coupled with an intense focus on creating the political will to undermine capitalism and the profit motive, the "one ring to bind them all."

If you cannot comprehend the necessity of deep systemic change from the top down, there is no argument I can make to convince you. If we so much as suggest that perhaps holding the government's feet to the fire to demand progressive climate policies targeting the rich and corporations, in tandem with a green new deal for the working class, people like you assume you’re we're just fucking lazy or hypocritical for not buying a green car or going vegan. (Which will do fuck all to save us).

Zizek said that it’s easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism. We’re just so beyond the pale.

"Rugged individualism" will be the death of the world. We've already seen the wages of nationalism in Europe in the 30s and 40s.

I think you are having a hard time reconciling these two things - your perceived necessity for a low-energy lifestyle in our world and your unwillingness or "inability" to downgrade to it. The same applies to the perceived necessity of socialism and the inability to shun core capitalist principles. Therefore you say radical individual change is necessary but it won't do any good, so actually it is not necessary, and political activism should take its place (even though the same argument could be made about political activism, if our society is truly as tyrannical and corrupt as you claim it is).

At some point we need to reevaluate our fundamental axioms and burn off those dead parts which make our being incoherent. The simple truth is that no amount of deep systemic changes will help if the individuals doing the changing have not brought their own houses in order. This is obvious to people when they think about it at the day to day level.

You have a tremendous incoherence - you believe "top down" collectivist action is needed, but you don't see how that is directly linked to the European nationalism of the 20s and 30s. Instead you want to transmute 20th century history to fit with your ideological stance against "rugged individualism". Next you will be saying the Gulags were also a product of capitalist individualism. It's absurd. Solzhenitsyn's seminal work made it impossible for academics with intellectual integrity in the 70s, 80s and early 90s to continue promoting Marxism. Now we again have people like Wolff and Zizek... how quickly we forget.

“It is unthinkable in the twentieth century to fail to distinguish between what constitutes an abominable atrocity that must be prosecuted and what constitutes that "past" which "ought not to be stirred up.”
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 15, 2018, 04:54:10 AM

You have a tremendous incoherence - you believe "top down" collectivist action is needed, but you don't see how that is directly linked to the European nationalism of the 20s and 30s. Instead you want to transmute 20th century history to fit with your ideological stance against "rugged individualism". Next you will be saying the Gulags were also a product of capitalist individualism. It's absurd. Solzhenitsyn's seminal work made it impossible for academics with intellectual integrity in the 70s, 80s and early 90s to continue promoting Marxism. Now we again have people like Wolff and Zizek... how quickly we forget.

Are you drunk? Or just a shameless liar devoid of a conscience?
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 15, 2018, 06:06:42 AM

You have a tremendous incoherence - you believe "top down" collectivist action is needed, but you don't see how that is directly linked to the European nationalism of the 20s and 30s. Instead you want to transmute 20th century history to fit with your ideological stance against "rugged individualism". Next you will be saying the Gulags were also a product of capitalist individualism. It's absurd. Solzhenitsyn's seminal work made it impossible for academics with intellectual integrity in the 70s, 80s and early 90s to continue promoting Marxism. Now we again have people like Wolff and Zizek... how quickly we forget.

Are you drunk? Or just a shameless liar devoid of a conscience?

I'll take Door #2 Monte.

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RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 15, 2018, 06:22:38 AM

At some point we need to reevaluate our fundamental axioms

At some point YOU need to reevaluate Trolling the Diner.  You will find a Warm :hi: on The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/).  I linked it for you since you can't seem to find it on your own.

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 15, 2018, 09:19:55 AM

You have a tremendous incoherence - you believe "top down" collectivist action is needed, but you don't see how that is directly linked to the European nationalism of the 20s and 30s. Instead you want to transmute 20th century history to fit with your ideological stance against "rugged individualism". Next you will be saying the Gulags were also a product of capitalist individualism. It's absurd. Solzhenitsyn's seminal work made it impossible for academics with intellectual integrity in the 70s, 80s and early 90s to continue promoting Marxism. Now we again have people like Wolff and Zizek... how quickly we forget.

Are you drunk? Or just a shameless liar devoid of a conscience?

Or just hitting too close to home? Coming to terms with fundamental inconsistencies in your worldview is painful, I know.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 15, 2018, 09:25:27 AM

Or just hitting too close to home?

More like Striking Out.

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Ashvin on December 15, 2018, 09:27:37 AM

At some point we need to reevaluate our fundamental axioms

At some point YOU need to reevaluate Trolling the Diner.  You will find a Warm :hi: on The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/).  I linked it for you since you can't seem to find it on your own.

I've been there, the posting and comments don't impress me.

Like Eddie said, I "troll" the Diner because sometimes I latch on to a topic or and have a hard time letting go. Right now it's the super anti-capitalist, pro-marxist propaganda that seeps through most of the postings and comments by you and Surly. You guys seem to think there is no way to understand collapse without adopting that radical leftist worldview.

You also latch on to any topics which hint at the benefits of free markets, private property, the generation of wealth, etc. I am only a "troll" because I don't own this website/forum and you do. Which makes you both a contributor to and beneficiary of the "evil capitalist empire", which I have no problem with  :emthup:
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 15, 2018, 09:38:41 AM
I am only a "troll" because I don't own this website/forum and you do.

You are a troll because you fit the definitions of a troll.

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 15, 2018, 09:43:54 AM
Which makes you both a contributor to and beneficiary of the "evil capitalist empire", which I have no problem with  :emthup:

It may have escaped your tunnel vision, but this website is not a commercial enterprise, and in fact I pay to run it as my potlach gift to the collapse community.

So take your lies and stick them where the sun don't shine.

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 15, 2018, 09:56:50 AM
Like Eddie said, I "troll" the Diner because sometimes I latch on to a topic or and have a hard time letting go.

You have earned another stint in the Cooler for multiple violations of the CoC.  It is against the rules to harp on one topic and beat a dead horse to death.  A more broad overview of collapse topics is required.  You were warned about this previously.

90 days this time.  See you around the Spring Equinox.  Use the time effectively.  Start your own fucking blog.

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🎅 RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 15, 2018, 10:26:31 AM
Let him out for Christmas.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 15, 2018, 10:35:11 AM
Let him out for Christmas.

OK, a 2 day Parole for Christmas Eve and Christmas, and another 2 day Parole for New Year's Eve and New Year's Day.  Any Parole Violations during this time will receive an immediate revocation of Parole and an extension of the sentence.

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 15, 2018, 10:55:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/yVop9seXSoQ&fs=1
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 15, 2018, 10:57:09 AM

So you agree the lines YOU draw are arbitrary, but you still continue to draw them? What material advantage do I get from refusing to blame other groups of people for my problems? None. You guys get a huge advantage from drawing the lines wherever you see fit - alleviating yourself from personal responsibility for these problems and having a convenient set of people to point the fingers at, a simple set of characters to populate your "capitalism is bad" ideological narratives.

That's nucking futz. I have never "alleviated myself from personal responsibility for these problems" because I am directly, painfully aware that my lifestyle is, in the long view, horribly profligate of energy. That is why I have said that, although the .01 per cent are malefactors of great wealth forfeit of mercy, the bulk of environmental impacts come from the 10 per cent in this country. (I am not in the top 10 per cent according to Investopedia, but close enough for argument.

You refuse to "draw lines" because you don't like the implications and the conclusions. And the responsibilities.  Self-serving as fuck. Meanwhile, I have no illusions, and make such adjustments and preparations as I can.

How is being "painfully aware" of something taking responsibility for it? If you really believe your lifestyle is a huge problem for energy/environmental collapse, and you really prioritize those things above your own interests, and the interests of your family, then give it up. Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.

I refuse to draw lines, because as we have already established here, the lines are completely arbitrary. I also take my human nature seriously, the shadow personality we were talking about on another thread, and know that I cannot be trusted to draw the lines justly. The people who are eager to draw lines are the ones who are drawing them for either self-serving or nihilistic reasons.

Good he can come out for Christmas and New Years.  The following could help him out if he pays attention.


The problem is actually Ashvin's violation of the COC.  Consider:

Quote
How is being "painfully aware" of something taking responsibility for it? I is a huge problem for energy/environmental collapse, and you really prioritize those things above your own interests, and the interests of your family, then give it up. Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.


Beyond which it assumes a fuck of a lot about how Surly1 lives his life and Ashvin has no way of knowing such intimate details about Surly1.  (Unless he is that kind of troll.).

I hear Eddie's concerns with Ashvin but we need:

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 15, 2018, 02:18:51 PM

I refuse to draw lines, because as we have already established here, the lines are completely arbitrary. I also take my human nature seriously, the shadow personality we were talking about on another thread, and know that I cannot be trusted to draw the lines justly. The people who are eager to draw lines are the ones who are drawing them for either self-serving or nihilistic reasons.

Good he can come out for Christmas and New Years.  The following could help him out if he pays attention.


I'm glad you spoke up, because I was starting to wonder if RE was the only other person to see whats he was doing.

In terms of restriction, I would urge a lighter stick, because I roll that way.

Quote
At the next vacancy for God, if I am elected,
I shall forgive last the delicately wounded who,
having been slugged no harder than anyone else,
never got up again, neither to fight back,
nor to finger their jaws in painful admiration.
They who are wholly broken, and they in whom mercy is understanding,
I shall embrace at once and lead to pillows in heaven.
But they who are the meek by trade, baiting the best of their betters with extortions of a mock-helplessness,
I shall take last to love, and never wholly.
Let them all in Heaven - I abolish Hell -
but let it be read over them as they enter:
Beware the calculations of the meek, who gambled nothing
gave nothing, and could never receive enough.

--John Ciardi

In terms of "refusing to draw lines," that is nonsense because we all draw lines. Truth, as we see it, is worth defending. And as they say, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

http://www.youtube.com/v/9XEnTxlBuGo
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 15, 2018, 02:36:40 PM
In terms of restriction, I would urge a lighter stick, because I roll that way.

I already gave him 10 day and 30 day trips to the Cooler.  They didn't work to change his behavior.  Some men you just can't reach.  It's a Failure to Communicate.

http://www.youtube.com/v/_WUyZXhLHMk

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 15, 2018, 08:52:45 PM
Beware the calculations of the meek, who gambled nothing
gave nothing, and could never receive enough.

Damn that's good!
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 15, 2018, 09:13:56 PM
Beware the calculations of the meek Masters of the Universe, who gambled nothing
gave nothing took everything, and could never receive enough.

Fixed that for you.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 15, 2018, 09:29:28 PM
Beware the calculations of the meek Masters of the Universe, who gambled nothing
gave nothing took everything, and could never receive enough.

Fixed that for you.

RE

Excellent!  A natural progression.  These meek, seeing only themselves, become legends in their own mind.  Masters of the Universe as you say.  Seeing their own need and none of the needs of others, they take all.
Title: 🍟 The Yellow Vest Insurgency – What’s Next?
Post by: RE on December 16, 2018, 01:15:32 AM
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/15/the-yellow-vest-insurgency-whats-next/ (https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/15/the-yellow-vest-insurgency-whats-next/)

The Yellow Vest Insurgency – What’s Next?

HELP ENLIGHTEN YOUR FELLOWS. BE SURE TO PASS THIS ON. SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON IT.

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by ROBERT HUNZIKER

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Paris, France, December 2018: A potential worldwide insurgency of the working class starts in France as Yellow Vests occupy the streets.

“Some 75% of the French back the gilets jaunes. And this support has held up despite the violence.” (Source: La République en Flammes, The Economist, December 8-14, 2018)
The French Yellow Vests Insurgency may or may not grow into a major threat to the established order; nobody knows for sure how it will play out.

Nevertheless, the undertone has been obvious for some years. Once the world publicly recognized a division between the 1% and everybody else, the stage was set for flare-ups, like the Yellow Vest Insurgency movement, as tens of thousands of people dressed in bright yellow vests hit the streets.

Why would tens of thousands of people wearing bright yellow vests, similar to roadside workers, hit the streets? Answer: They’re pissed off!

And, where do tens of thousands of the yellow vests come from? In 2008 France passed a law requiring all motorists to have high-visibility vests in vehicles as a safety measure should the driver need to exit a vehicle on a roadside. Therefore, everybody with a vehicle in France has a yellow vest.

It goes without saying that, over the past three decades, neoliberal globalization set the table for dissolution of the middle class as wages around the world collapsed into a SE Asian vortex of slave labor. This is the heart of the matter behind the Yellow Vest movement, albeit sparked by the Macron government’s new fuel taxes. This is also the biggest reason why a worldwide revolution of the working classes may actually happen, inclusive of pretty much everybody below the top 1% plus the upper-upper-middle-class.

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So far, repercussions have been potent on a worldwide basis. For example, retail stores in Cairo have been ordered by the police not to sell yellow vests. Egypt’s abusive dictator General Abdel Fattah al Sisi is looking over his shoulder at France where Yellow Vests have established a foothold that’s spreading like a house afire.

Without doubt, governments are panicked over the prospect of radicalization of the international working class. In France, working class demands include social equality, wage increases, a halt of militarism, reinstituting the wealth tax, and the overthrow of unpopular governments, making Macron look an awful lot like a modern-day clone of Louis XVI (beheaded in 1793).

Recently, Macron made some concessions to demands of the Yellow Vests. They’re not impressed!

“This time, however, is different. The gilets jaunes emerged from nowhere via social media. They are not the product of organized unions or political parties. Their structureless and leaderless nature makes them potent, volatile, and difficult for the police and government to handle. They do not follow the codified rules of protest. Their diverse demands range from an end to the eco-tax to the resignation of Mr. Macron – and even his replacement with a military general. And the government cannot find leaders willing to attend meetings,” Ibid.
Without doubt, governments are panicked over the prospect of radicalization of the international working class. In France, working class demands include social equality, wage increases, a halt of militarism, reinstituting the wealth tax, and the overthrow of unpopular governments, making Macron look an awful lot like a modern-day clone of Louis XVI (beheaded in 1793).
All of which describes the future of revolutionary activity throughout the world. It is seamlessly simple and frighteningly powerful.

In Algeria, protestors donned yellow vests in response to a failing system, as family after family cannot afford the basics of life.

In Tunisia, a new group called “Red Vests” issued a call for protests of a Tunisian political system that promotes “systematic impoverishment.”

In Belgium, police violently cracked down on angry groups of Yellow Vests with similar demands.

In Basra, Iraq Yellow Vests criticize widespread contamination of drinking water and poor city services and corruption under a NATO-backed neocolonial regime. Meanwhile, 243 miles away in Baghdad Yellow Vests hit the streets in sympathy.

“Yellow Vest” has become a catchall for all of the grievances of working people. Indeed, this is how revolts commence in earnest. And, it is indicative of a world order that is edgy, angry, and ready for conflict with the first spark of ignition.

The precursor for the present insurrection was identification of an elite class, or the 1%. Throughout history, revolutions aspire to confrontation once lines of division have been clearly drawn, e.g., the Boston Tea Party, or the fall of the Bastille, or today’s “One Percent,” which clearly divides the world into “haves” and “have-nots.” Certainly, the One Percent is one of the clearest, easiest targets of all time.
Gilets Jaunes demonstrating in Brussels. The city has been extremely sympathetic to events in France, and especially Paris.

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Not only a clear division, but years of pent up anger magnifies when people know they’ve been screwed. Under Macron, for example, French subsidies for part-time jobs were slashed, housing aid for low-income people cut, and pension checks axed, as he repealed France’s wealth tax, meaning more goodies for the rich at the expense of everybody else. It doesn’t take an accountant to figure out that the working class ends up subsidizing the wealth tax cut.

Furthermore, once people voice dissent in the streets, like the fuel tax revolt in France, magnification of many other issues come into sharp focus. For example, in France students have walked out of 200 schools to protest reforms to high-stakes baccalaureate exams and new higher-education admission procedures. And, university students are now protesting recent hikes in tuition.

Four words, “Yellow Vests and One-Percent,” have converged in a firestorm of resentfulness of every inequity propagated by the utter failure of elite capitalistic globalism punctuated by its neoliberal tendencies. It’s as if the world has lost its way, directionless meandering that honors wealth creation but nothing else.

Similar to the Arab Spring of 2010, minor events reverberate into major events, which may or may not explode into a massive revolution in protest of a capitalistic system that shamefully rewards the rich by preying on workers of the world. But, social media fights back.

The discontent is all about austerity efforts, for example, Philip Alston, the UN Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights described the austerity policies in the UK as “punitive, mean spirited and callous… heading towards an alienated society made of dramatically disconnected groups, those living the high life and the very poor, relying on food banks even if in work.” (Source: UN Special Rapporteur Makes damning Criticism of Austerity, National Survivor User Network, Nov. 2018)

Philip Alston’s study of austerity policies and consequences equally applies to major developed countries throughout the world, as “austerity” has been the order of the day in Turkey, Italy, Greece, France, Portugal, Spain, Ireland in large measure to satisfy the EU and IMF that their loans will be repaid. Oh please!

Still, revolutions take a long time to play out: The American Revolution, 1775-1783; the French Revolution, 1789-1799; the Chinese Communist Revolution, 1945-1950; the Cuban Revolution, 1953-1959; the Spring of Nations Revolutions of 1848-1852 against monarchies in Germany, France, Italy, and Austria.

Revolutions start with a loss of decency. Today, the world is full of indecencies for the “working poor.” The Yellow Vest insurgency is only possible because of a failure of global capitalism to uplift the working class.

Instead, it puts a boot on their necks.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Robert Hunziker lives in Los Angeles and can be reached at rlhunziker@gmail.com.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on December 16, 2018, 03:40:30 AM
Beware the calculations of the meek, who gambled nothing
gave nothing, and could never receive enough.

Damn that's good!

John Ciardi.

I came across this poem published in Harpers in the mid 70s, and it has stayed with me ever since.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: g on December 16, 2018, 07:27:18 AM
I miss Ashvin already.  :-[
Title: 🍟 Despite Macron’s TV Mea Culpa, France Set for Showdown
Post by: RE on December 17, 2018, 12:30:21 AM
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Despite Macron’s TV Mea Culpa, France Set for Showdown

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HELP ENLIGHTEN YOUR FELLOWS. BE SURE TO PASS THIS ON. SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON IT.

FINIAN CUNNINGHAM | 12.12.2018 | WORLD / EUROPE | STRATEGIC CULTURE

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Despite a televised appearance of humility and sympathy, French President Emmanuel Macron seems to have failed to quell the mood of national anger over wide-ranging economic grievances.

The capital Paris and other major French cities [thus saw] the fifth consecutive weekend of protests – or “Act Five” as the demonstrators are saying.

Nearly 24 hours after Macron’s TV address, a gunman killed three people and injured dozens others in the eastern city of Strasbourg, prompting French authorities to declare a state of emergency. The heightened tensions across France with maximum security forces deployed come as protest marches are planned for this weekend against Macron’s government.

After weeks of maintaining his silence on growing civil discord, Macron finally addressed the nation in a 14-minute pre-recorded speech on Monday night. He sounded contrite and even humble, accepting that he had “offended” citizens with his aloof words and attitude.

The president also announced specific concessions: an increase in the minimum wage by €100 a month, the cancelling of taxes on low-income pensioners, and the exemption of overtime pay from taxation.

But the consensus expressed by protesters among the so-called Yellow Vest movement was one of contempt. They said Macron’s televised concessions were “crumbs” and “too little too late”. The upshot is that demonstrations will again be held in the French capital this weekend, as well as other major cities. The weekly gridlock is bringing the French economy to a crisis point.
There are countless progressive policies that could be innovated that would improve the lives of ordinary people while also moving society towards more ecologically sustainable existence. Macron is a plutocrat who wants to shaft ordinary people even more for the benefit of his rich-class cronies – all under the guise of “eco-friendliness”. French protesters are right to see through Macron’s televisual “crumbs” of compensation.
  The latest deadly shooting incident in Strasbourg on Tuesday night may throw the weekend protests into disarray from the subsequent security tensions and fear of further violence. A question many protesters are asking is: who gains from the timing of the Strasbourg killings?

What no doubt is further unnerving Macron’s government is that the public protests appear to be growing across social sectors. Public sector workers and students are planning to join in the cause. What is emerging is a generalized public revolt – reminiscent of the epic 1968 revolution which toppled the incumbent government of President Charles de Gaulle, at least temporarily.

The protests first broke in early November over the French government’s planned hikes in transport fuel taxes. French drivers, who have to carry high-visibility yellow vests in their vehicles as a legal safety measure, were the first to take to the streets. But what began as a specific fuel tax issue has expanded and tapped into a broad popular revolt against Macron’s neoliberal capitalist policies.

The trouble for Macron is that he just can’t help sounding elitist – and insincere. During his TV “mea culpa”, he may have offered concessions on wages and taxes, but the president spent a large part of his national address berating protesters for using violence. He said that while the public anger was “deep and in many ways legitimate” there was “no excuse for violence”. Well, the way many French citizens and other observers see it, it is the French state that is using excessive violence to repress the right to public protest.

Last weekend saw up to 90,000 French riot police and troops deployed across the country to contain demonstrations. Hundreds of protesters were arrested and put in custody “preemptively”. There were also scenes of gratuitous brutality by police when peaceful protesters were fired on with teargas and water cannons.

When Macron lectures “there is no excuse for violence” his words sound trite and hypocritical given the levels of uncalled-for violence that the French state has licensed itself to use.

Moreover, increasing numbers of French citizens consider economic policies that deprive workers and their families of decent livelihoods to be a form of state-imposed violence. Policy choices that force people into poverty and degradation are a system of violence.

In his TV mea-culpa-lecture, Macron defiantly said that he would not reinstate the tax on France’s very wealthy. His earlier decision to scrap that tax earned him the nickname of “president of the wealthy”. It was this pandering to the rich in combination with imposing fuel taxes hitting the majority of workers hardest that sparked the present revolt.

The proposed fuel levies – which Macron has since abandoned as a concession to the protesters – were rationalized as a necessity to raise fiscal funds to pay for “ecological changes” in French society. Macron has deftly presented himself internationally as a champion for combating climate change. Some political observers in the US on the so-called “liberal left” have welcomed Macron as a “counter-Trump” figure. He certainly talks with “eco-friendly” rhetoric, saying that he wants to “make the planet great again” (a dig at Trump), and that we need to take urgent action to avert climate change, because “there is no planet B”.

However, Macron’s apparent progressive ecological rhetoric belies a politician who is deeply conservative of the economic status quo. A status quo which has seen the impoverishment of more and more workers over decades while the very wealthy amass ever-more wealth. This is the social condition of all capitalist countries, not just France, but the French are doing something about it.

What Macron showed with his now-defunct fuel tax proposals was a patrician contempt for the majority of society. He intended to put the financial burden of ecological changes on the backs of ordinary workers, while at the same time giving the already wealthy a big fat windfall.

The former Rothschild’s investment banker is certainly no progressive – in spite of his pretentious rhetoric. If he really wanted to “make the planet great again” then Macron should be taxing the wealthy and corporations, not poor workers who have to drive hundreds of kilometers every day because they can’t afford to buy or rent houses in city areas. If Macron really did have progressive ideas, then his government could fund all workers to work a four-day week, on full pay, so that one day of non-commuting would save pollution.

There are countless progressive policies that could be innovated that would improve the lives of ordinary people while also moving society towards more ecologically sustainable existence. Macron is a plutocrat who wants to shaft ordinary people even more for the benefit of his rich-class cronies – all under the guise of “eco-friendliness”.

French protesters are right to see through Macron’s televisual “crumbs” of compensation. The injustice, dehumanization and criminal militarism of capitalism has gone too far to be mitigated by a minimum wage increase or some other sticking-plaster measure.

That’s why the French capital and other cities are set for even more upheaval in the weeks ahead. Significantly, too, the public in other European countries are being inspired by the French to likewise get out on the streets to demand their natural justice.

Ominously, Macron’s apparently soothing words were laced with dark threats of more state violence if protesters do not accept his “offers”. At one point in his TV address, the president, who recently praised the disgraced Vichy leader and Nazi collaborator Philippe Pétain, said of the protests: “When violence is unleashed, freedom ends.”

The deadly shooting in Strasbourg on Tuesday night, 24 hours after Macron’s speech, has raised suspicions of a deliberate provocation being staged by French security services in order to militarize society generally and impede planned protests in the capital this weekend. The gunman was reportedly known to French authorities as a national security risk. His home in Strasbourg was raided hours before his alleged gun attack, but the suspect evaded capture. Following the shooting in which three people were killed France has increased its national emergency alert to its highest level which means authorities can deploy more troops on streets, declare lockdowns in urban areas and arrest people without warrant.

France is shaping up for an historic showdown.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Finian Cunningham is a former editor and writer for major news media organizations. He has written extensively on international affairs, with articles published in several languages. 
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 17, 2018, 01:01:28 AM
I miss Ashvin already.  :-[

Like you miss a turd you just flushed down the toilet.  I understand and sympathize.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on December 17, 2018, 08:30:44 AM
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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on December 17, 2018, 08:51:28 AM
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It's a Gift.  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: 🍟 Gilets Jaunes: The End of Dystopia
Post by: RE on December 21, 2018, 02:35:51 AM
Israel Shamir, Surly's favorite journalist is BACK!

RE

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Gilets Jaunes: The End of Dystopia

HELP ENLIGHTEN YOUR FELLOWS. BE SURE TO PASS THIS ON. SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON IT.

ISRAEL SHAMIR • DECEMBER 17, 2018 | Crosposted w. The Unz Review
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The French are the best. The men don’t get fat. The women don’t sleep alone. The kids are well-behaved. They have the best architecture, the best way of living, best bread, best wine, best olive oil, best cooking, some of the best writing, films, painting, poetry, perfume – and women. They also excel in revolutions. Each revolution of theirs is a peach, perfect, round and juicy. They open a new epoch for mankind.


“Death to the bourgeois!” Signs like these are beginning to appear, and many agree. This kind of thing sends chills down the spine of the 0.0001%, the engine and beneficiaries of global neoliberalism.

Just thinking of a French revolution makes me feel young, for I remember the previous one, in May 1968, and it was a beauty, the revolution of Forbidden to Forbid. It ushered us into the short-living paradise of permissible. Believe it or not, we could freely flirt with the opposite sex, we could smoke in the pubs and cafés, we could have a drink and drive. We could rent a room for small price, and roam Europe for $5 a day. Workers weren’t fired, jobs were aplenty, there were no one-year contracts, parking was free and gasoline cheap. Oh yes, and the cotton was high.

Previously, the world had been hard, cold and rigid – more or less the way it is now, with prohibitions overtaking permissions. Half a century had passed since then, and the world is ripe for a new French revolution – and it came, the GJ rising. And in time for Christmas, making it an excellent gift for us all.

The French people said Non to prosperity for the rich and austerity for the rest, to dismantling of the social state, to privatisations, to wars abroad, to mass migration – to all these plagues unloaded upon civilised and advanced West for last thirty years.

The revolt is not over. Don’t get discouraged by a few setbacks. Like a bonfire, popular uprisings burn unevenly. Now they burst out, in a few days they appear extinguished, and suddenly flare up again. This is the case with the GJ uprising. It is impossible to predict what will happen next. Even if repressions, mass arrests, propaganda and armoured cars will help the Macron regime to hold on for a while, the bell rang: the end of the bankers’ plan to tighten our belts, and to grow their triple chin is nigh. After all, the final elimination of the old feudal order took place many years after the shining example of 1789 Revolution.

Paris sets fashion; their infrequent rebellions define humanity’s future. In 1789 rebellious Parisians buried the Ancien Régime, proclaimed democracy, liberty, equality and fraternity. In 1848 the rebellious Parisians started the Spring of Nations, the great pan-European revolution. In 1871 the Paris Commune became a forerunner of all socialist revolutions. Two world wars, the massive bloodletting of Verdun and Nazi occupation had kept the people of Paris in survival mode, and the next revolution came only in 1968. And now, in 2018, the Parisians put an end to the radical neoliberal project of enslaving humanity.

The usual suspects have already accused Putin’s Russia of fomenting the Paris uprising. The BBC has been caught in flagrante – they asked their stringer in Paris to find a Russian connection, a Russian businessman, or anything Russian to blame the events on the Russians and delegitimise them. This correspondence has been leaked, and the Russian MFA complained about it.

I’d be glad and proud if such an accusation had at least some basis. Alas, it is not the case. Russians did not support any French revolution ever, from 1789 to 1968. Now, too, the official Moscow does not intervene in internal affairs of other states as a matter of principle. Russia has not yet condemned the brutal suppression of the uprising and the arrests of schoolchildren, though Beijing and Teheran did.

The Russian social networks and public organizations are suspicious of the French rising. After the trauma of Kiev Maidan-2014, the Russians had been hit by conspiracy paranoia and they are seeing manipulations of the State Department in everything. In the Russian media, the events in Paris are often described as “pogroms”; their main Channel One even made a point to show sympathetically a French Jewish real estate dealer whose office had been rampaged. Their wonderful RT does provide great coverage of the French events, but the RT does not broadcast in Russian and in Russia.


Chris Donnelly, the British intel worm plotting wars behind people’s backs, for whose benefit?

Alexander Dugin, the maverick Russian thinker, astutely suggested that the enemy does not believe in Russian involvement, whether in the US elections, or in the GJ rising, but it uses Russia as a marker of hostile force. He identifies the enemy as the shadow World Government, the force that aims to rule the world behind and above national governments. The very existence of this force has been vehemently denied, but now it manifested itself in running a smear campaign against Jeremy Corbyn, the British Labour leader. The campaign was managed by a secretive Integrity Initiative; its existence has been disclosed by Anonymous hackers. This body, ostensibly run by British secret service, included some writers of the Guardian (Luke Harding etc) who were suspected of working for MI6. They attacked Julian Assange, they attacked me personally, but according to the hackers’ disclosure, they were supposed to go after Russia.

While going after Russia sounds legit – that is what the intelligence services are for, – fighting against and smearing Her Majesty’s Opposition Leader Rt Hon Jeremy Corbyn, PC MP is not. Dugin says they created the myth of “Putin’s Russia as an absolute and unconditional enemy, embodying pure world evil” though they are aware that Russia’s involvement beyond its borders is almost non-existent.

“The World Government is clearly aware that with all its power, a serious opponent is about to appear – not so much even from the outside (from Russia or China), but from within. Russia is here only a marker and the easiest way to discredit and demonize these alternative trends. This applies to European populism (both left and right), the anti-globalist government of Italy, the GJ of France, the fighters against capitalism and mass immigration”.

This technique of using a marker to create “guilt by association” has been practiced for years. And as the old markers of “Nazis” and “antisemites” get worn and torn, a new marker of evil Russia has been employed against the GJ.


BHL with third wife, actress Arielle Dombasle. A rich decadent posing as authoritative political observer, of all things, on the side of the people.

No worry, the old markers still work! BHL (as the French call Bernard-Henri Lévy, their chief TV pundit and the never-failing voice of the Masters of Discourse) who approved of the rebels in Libya, Syria and Kiev, has already condemned the Parisian uprising and called the rebels – Nazis. He noticed supporters of Le Pen and of Mélenchon among the Vests, and this is no good!

However, the people of France were not afraid of this label. 75-80% of the people believe the GJ are right. (Probably we shall see soon a group of Jews for GJ, quipped Gilad Atzmon, for these excellent people like to have a finger in every pie, while keeping themselves separate.)

The revolution–1968 had been derailed because of their leaders’ sell-out. Danny the Red, or Daniel Cohn-Bendit had been one of the traitors, as I wrote after meeting him some years ago. The GJ movement has no HQ, no party, no leadership, and that’s why the regime did not manage to bribe and intimidate their leaders or to make a deal with their party, as the neoliberals have worked this technique to perfection over the past 50 years.

The GJ is a native French movement, mainly middle class, of people who live in small towns and villages. It is real France, not recent immigrants, and this real France had been pushed to precarious instability of being unable to have their ends meet. The very rich have it too good; they pay no, or little taxes, and the government is doing everything for them, at the expense of the once strong middle class. Such a middle class movement is a real thing; its participants are not likely to be tricked and they can insist on their agenda.

After the first successes of the movement, the political parties began to show interest. Le Pen could be a natural to support the movement of native French people, but Marine had recently lost the national elections to Macron, and her movement feels hurt and vulnerable. More importantly, Le Pen concentrated on immigration, a side issue for GJ. The GJ do not want to fight Arab and African immigrants; their problem is with the neoliberal government, while migration is just one of the neoliberal tools. That’s why, despite BHL’s claims, Le Pen’s party has no strong position among the protesters.

The Americans may learn from this experience. Immigration is a good topic for publicity, but it’s not likely to lead to big social changes. Yes, the GJ oppose mass migration and want to terminate it, but they balance this demand with another one: stop robbing Africa. Indeed, Africa is going from bad to worse because it has been exploited by the developed countries. The balance of payments between Africa and France favours France, and this is the main reason for African migration to France. The Africans just follow their money.

If the American populists were to adopt a similar demand, they should balance their desire for the wall and no immigration by calling the US companies to stop pumping profits from Latin America. Noam Chomsky correctly stated that Central Americans won’t run to the US if the US wouldn’t destabilise their countries for profit. Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador—three countries that have been under harsh U.S. domination, supply the most of refugees knocking at the US door.

This is true for Europe and the MENA (Middle East and North Africa) states, as well. If Europeans would not bomb Libya and undermine Syria, if the US would not invade Iraq, there would be no refugees, no immigrants, legal or illegal. The GJ gave us a lesson how to treat the immigration problem. The profit of invasions goes to the rich, while the middle classes suffer the consequences of mass migration.

Another correction of the Trump agenda has been suggested by Ron Unz. Trump is putting a lot of effort into stopping illegal migration and refugees from Latin America. He should read Ron Unz who proved with numbers that the real problem is not illegal but legal immigration running too high.

American legal immigration levels have been far too high for many years with net legal immigration been running at a million or more a year, and it should be sharply reduced. Trump’s focus on illegal immigration makes no sense at all.

There is little difference between legal and illegal immigrants, they are quite the same, there are just too many of them. And legal immigration can be stopped right away, without a wall.

The immigrants’ participation in the GJ rising has been quite small. Their underclass used the revolt to break shops’ windows and loot, yes, but they didn’t fight police. And the police, on their side, didn’t fight the looters. The government apparently instigated the looters and instructed the police to allow them to do their worst, while MSM used it to condemn the GJ as vandals. The mainstream media is strongly against the GJ, and it took me an effort to find a video neutral or sympathetic to the protesters. You may watch it with English subtitles here and see for yourself that the protesters are similar to you.


The Gilets are showing up in many places…

I am not horrified by some broken windows. On ne saurait faire d’omelette sans casser des œufs, you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, as a French royalist famously said in 1796. The general de Charette broke heads, not eggs nor windows, and he was executed when caught, but he was still correct. Without some impressive violence, things can’t change. If you just stand in the square and sing a nice song, or if you march down the street shouting this or that, you will achieve nothing. The government loves people singing and marching for climate change or for gay equality. You should know that people are doing a right thing if police attacks them and they defend themselves valiantly.

The Bolsheviks used the battleship Aurora to make their statement. Her salvo in view of the royal palace proved their ability and readiness for violence; they had armed soldiers and sailors to take over the centres of power including banks, post and telegraph offices, and railway stations. At the occasion, windows were broken and people were robbed; this is unfortunate but otherwise, you can’t make an omelette.

During the French Spring, the French marched in their hundreds of thousands in biggest and most peaceful demos Paris ever knew. The government disregarded it completely. The protest has to be violent and sustainable to get somewhere. Only after four rather violent weekends, Macron deigned to respond, and he has met some demands of the GJ – an extra hundred euro for low-paid workers, no tax on the annual bonus or on overtime, no gas price rise. It was a step in the right direction. 16 million middle-class French will enjoy the fruits of Macron’s forced benevolence; it will cost 12 billion euro – a good Christmas present for hard-working people, and proof that violence works.

The American nationalist right is too law-abiding to achieve anything. They used some non-institutionalised violence against blacks, and even that was long time ago. They collect a lot of weapons but never use them against hard targets. They have lost their will to fight. Probably they won’t even defend their President Trump if he were to be removed from power. They have to join forces with some dynamic blacks who aren’t afraid to disobey authority, but for that, they must understand that their enemy is the liberal establishment, not the blacks or immigrants. The French far right had concentrated on the immigrants for too long a time, and failed to take a place and lead the protests.



So much about the far right. What about the left? Mélenchon has many supporters among the GJ, but he is perceived as connected with the party that discredited itself while Hollande was in power. All major mainstream parties – whether nominally left or right, in Paris, Berlin, or London – acted the same and carried out the same neoliberal agenda. That’s why people voted for Macron who promised to be different – but it turned out he was not different at all. There is just one agenda, just one direction – the direction to the neoliberal state ruining middle classes. A new force is badly needed.

Alain Soral would be an excellent man to lead the new force. He is already known to English readers; in France he is very popular, though he is less known than the main contenders. Soral supported the GJ from the beginning. His site has published an interesting political mandala explaining his – and others’ – position.

He locates his movement between Socialism and Nationalism, between Labour and Traditionalism, opposing Macron who stands for Capitalism and Globalism, between Profit and LGBT; while Le Pen prefers Nationalism (like Soral) and Capitalism (like Macron), and Melenchon takes a more familiar course of Socialism and Globalism. On the mandala, Soral is True North, a highly symbolical position.

On the frame of the mandala, you can discern names; bankers George Soros and Jacques Attali stand behind Macron; the above-mentioned Cohn-Bendit stands behind Melenchon; Finkelcraut and Zemmour are depicted behind Marine Le Pen; and (I am proud to note) the names of three writers of Unz Review are written at Alain Soral’s side, Norman Finkelstein, Gilad Atzmon, et moi, Israel Shamir. Soral also published my books, and I am very positive about him. A man who is not afraid to use the National Socialist moniker definitely has guts, especially as there are many young North African and Black men in his predominantly white nativist and masculine movement.

The demands of the GJ are already better than anything proposed by political parties of the left and the right. They want the rich to pay too, not only the middle class. They want to roll back privatizations, especially of the railways, re-install the dismissed workers and employees, recruit doctors to hospitals and teachers for schools, to put an end to the dismantling of the welfare state. Leave the EU, leave NATO, stop wars abroad. Stop the massive migration to the country and at the same time stop the looting of the former French Africa, because it is this looting that is pushing the Africans to a mass flight to France. Drop out of competition who will make more concessions to corporations and their owners, i.e. tax the international companies.

In short, the insurgents demand to reverse the reforms of recent years, for the previous administrations, whether of Sarkozy the rightist, Hollande the leftist (sic) or Macron the outsider [actually financial insider] competed who will do more for the companies and less for the people (they call it ‘increasing competitiveness”). They want to return to pre-1991 France. In those days, the rich people had some vestigial fear of communism and they paid some consideration to workers, and allowed them to live and flourish. The rebels also demand to decouple media off the elites, give a voice to the people, listen to their wishes, and this is a very important demand.

Judging by these demands, France is again leading the world. On the barricades of Paris, the neoliberal dystopia of creating a state for the super-rich had collapsed. Even if the uprising will be finally crushed, its basic demands will serve as a beacon for new uprisings and revolutions until they win. And the people will surely win.

P.S. If you feel the writer is biased and other nations are no less wonderful, you may find me saying good things about the English, the Germans, the Greeks, the Poles, the Japanese and Palestinians, Ukrainians and Russians, Norwegians and Swedes, Indians and Vietnamese…

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!


ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Israel Shamir (Russian: Исраэль Шамир; born 1947),[1] also known by the names Robert David, Vassili Krasevsky[2], Jöran Jermas[3][4] and Adam Ermash, is a Russian-born Swedish writer and journalist.[5][6][7][8] He is a commentator on ArabIsraeli relations and Jewish culture.[9][10][11] Originally from Novosibirsk, Shamir says that he moved to Israel in 1969.[12][13][14] He says that he served as an Israeli paratrooper in the Yom Kippur War, after which he took up journalism and writing. Shamir writes about Israel, Palestine, and the Jewish people, and has published or self-published a number of books that have been translated into several languages; the French edition of Flowers of Galilee (2004) was banned for a time in France over allegations of antisemitism. Shamir has been accused of antisemitism and Holocaust denial,[16][17] charges he has rejected. (See complete Wikipedia profile.)
Title: 🍟 Gilets Jaunes - For What It’s Worth: The Yellow Vests and the Left
Post by: RE on December 23, 2018, 12:27:10 AM
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December 21, 2018
For What It’s Worth: The Yellow Vests and the Left
by Jim Kavanagh

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Class Act

The “yellow vest” (gilets jaunes) movement has upended French politics, at least.

It has delivered a sharp and refreshing smack in the face to the smuggest of smug, entitled neoliberal brats, Emmanuel Macron, forcing him to retreat on substantive tax and minimum wage issues. It has also raised a raft of issues from wealth inequality (including demands for higher taxes on the rich) to a rejection of austerity and the dreaded Frexit.

Most importantly, it has acted outside the gatekeeping of traditional opposition parties and institutions–including those of the left, which have all been thoroughly decaffeinated and beguiled by the fantasia of Third-Way EU becoming “Social Europe.” The Yellow Vest movement is millions of people out in the street, engaged in militant, confrontational protest, talking to and acting with each other unsupervised, telling the governing elite: “Va te faire foutre!”

A self-mobilization of the working class: This is the specter of Europe past, which Third-Way politicians and intelligentsia thought they had once and for all banished to the netherworld a few decades ago. The Yellow Vest movement, now spreading to other counties, is striking a new body blow to the teetering edifice of neoliberalism that has been built on the bones of the working-class lives in Europe and America over those decades.

This explains why the American mainstream media has avoided focusing on the Yellow Vest movement. The left, on the other hand, must be overjoyed, right?

Well, it’s more like: Comme-ci, comme ça.

Why? “Identity politics” is, of course, the term that immediately comes to mind, though that term oversimplifies, particularly regarding the French context. As C. J. Hopkins put it: “Nothing scares the Identity Politics Left quite like an actual working class uprising.” Scares and confuses.

Historically, the core definition of the left has been solidarity with the working class (everyone who depends on wages to live), which includes the majority of people of all races and genders. But a new definition has taken hold among American/Western/college-educated liberals and progressives, as well as socialists and Marxists, who are perceived and think of themselves as on the “left”, and it has given rise to a new pattern of solidarity. These leftists have trained themselves to quickly embrace movements defined in terms of race and gender. Critical interrogation will come from within an assumed position of solidarity, and it will usually be in terms of those categories: Does your racial justice movement x have the right attitude and/or demographics in terms of gender?

Much less frequently and urgently, and virtually never as a condition of support, will a race or gender movement be interrogated regarding its position—its attitude and demographics—in terms of class.

There’s a different default setting for working-class movements. They will almost always be looked upon with suspicion, until and unless they prove their attitudinal and demographic race and gender bona fides to the satisfaction of American/Western/college-educated “leftists.” That interrogation has effectively become a prior condition of solidarity for working-class movements. Leftists have adopted a kind of checklist of concerns, and class has moved way down.

So that’s been affecting the slow uptake of left support and coverage of Yellow Vest movement, which is, centrally and unashamedly, a working-class movement. Though the spark was a hike in the diesel gas tax, the flame quickly engulfed a wide range of issues. Far from being an “anti-tax” revolt, as some on the right and the left rushed to characterize it, Yellow Vest has called for the re-imposition of the wealth tax that Macron had so kindly abolished for the French elite. Fundamentally, it’s an eruption of a lot of people who are rightly raging about economic inequality.

Diana Johnstone sums it up well:

    The gasoline tax was the last straw in a long series of measures favoring the rich at the expense of the majority of the population….Briefly, the message was this: we can’t make ends meet. The cost of living keeps going up, and our incomes keep going down.  We just can’t take it any more.

And the French people make it clear repeatedly:

The Yellow Vest movement is a widespread working-class revolt against economic injustice and the neo-liberal state. Exactly what the left should embrace.

When we see a  “Center for American Progress (CAP), progressive, feminist,” like Neera Tanden tweeting, from the checklist: “I don’t understand why any progressive is cheering French protesters who are amassing against a carbon tax,” and a correspondent for the “leftist” French publication Libération ,calling Yellow Vest a “movement of hicks” or a “band of polluting oafs, addicted to their cars, who need to be dealt with by the police,” we are seeing the sorry, degraded, utterly clueless state of what passes for the left.

Neera should talk to, or have clue one about, Colette, age 83, who “doesn’t own a car, but explained to whoever would listen that the steep raise of gasoline prices would also hurt people who don’t drive, by affecting prices of food and other necessities. She had done the calculations and figured it would cost a retired person 80 euros per month.”

Or the young woman in southwestern France who “cares for elderly people who live at home alone in rural areas, driving from one to another, to feed them, bathe them, offer a moment of cheerful company and understanding.  She loves her vocation, loves helping old people, although it barely allows her to make a living.  She will be among those who will have to pay more to get from one patient to the next.”

Another “polluting oaf.”

As commentator O Societyr astutely put it: “The Paris protests aren’t over a fuel tax any more than Colin Kaepernick is about the American National Anthem. Kaepernick is protesting police brutality and the Gilets Jaunes are protesting their ‘Let them eat cake’ government.”

The ability of leftists to reject the diversions and cut through to the crux of the matter in one case, while quickly succumbing to them in the other is a perfect example of the left’s diminished attention to, and concern for, class.

As Tanden and Libé remarks indicate, it’s not just “identity” that’s up there in the hierarchy of the checklist.  As I’ve said before, the left has succumbed to deprecating a politics of class solidarity in favor of a politics of solidarity based on like-mindednesson a checklist of issues.

But this has things backward. Solidarity is not a matter of prior agreement. It’s bedrock socialism that you can only build a movement with the working-class we have, not the one we wish for. Which means solidarity must start with material interest, not like-mindedness, You don’t have to agree with me for me to defend your interests.

Agreement doesn’t precede, it results from, solidarity. You get—earn and build—popular support for progressive, socialist, and revolutionary ideas and programs by defending and fighting for people’s material interests, not by interrogating people who are in actual revolt against the neo-liberal state to see whether they have the correct ideas regarding everything on your checklist, and insulting and attacking them if they don’t. That’s the approach of the liberal intellectual, not the left socialist.

Agreement will come from respectful engagement in a common fight for a dignified life for everyone. Or it won’t. There are no guarantees. Because everybodyin a capitalist society gets “taught wrong on purpose,” a lot of people with a lot of half-assed ideas—whether kinda-sorta racist or sexist, or kinda-sorta authoritarian, or kinda-sorta in thrall to liberal capitalist politicians, or kinda-sorta self-righteous, or kinda-sorta skeptical of global warming—must get together and learn what ideas, attitudes, and actions help the movement, and what kind of bullshit will guarantee defeat and has to go. Or they won’t, and the movement will fail, or turn nasty.

Furthermore, the change from “normal” opposition to a radical, insurrectionary, or revolutionary movement always starts with an abrupt, unforeseeable explosion over a relatively minor “final straw” slight. And it never starts with an agenda of all the correct demands. What that explosion does, precisely, is initiate a process of struggle and learning, through which the working classes, acting outside of any preconceived agenda, and joined by those who have had the time and privilege to study history and politics, can define not only an agenda of specific demands, but a new type of polity.

I certainly have my pessimism of the intellect about where this movement can go without more clearly defining itself politically and organizationally. And it must and will do that, through the work and influence of someone(some persons or groups), if it doesn’t disappear or get destroyed by the repressive and ideological power of the neoliberal capitalist state.

It’s not that, because it’s a working-class movement, Yellow Vest is sure to be socialist and successful.  Given the actual socio-economic, ideological and political state of neo-liberal capitalist societies, it would be foolish to think such a thing.

It’s that: that someone can only be a participant. Rather than hold its nose in pre-judgement, for the self-satisfaction of “Tsk, tsk,” and “I told you so,” any self-respecting left has the responsibility to support and participate, as it can, in a working-class uprising, in order to make a better outcome more likely.

The Gilets-Jaunes is clearly a movement of the rightfully pissed-off working classes against the smug capitalist elite. it deserves our solidarity.

Union Gap

    Across the West, the left has struggled to know how to respond to the populist uprisings of recent years. There is a tendency on the left to denounce any shock to the status quo as driven by reactionary forces. The revolting masses are often written off as fascists.

    –Fraser Myers

    For some two or three hundred years, people one could call “left” hoped that popular movements would lead to changes for the better.  Today, many leftists seem terrified of popular movements for change, convinced “populism” must lead to “fascism.

    –Diana Johnstone

Let’s also dispel the elitist liberaloid night in which all populisms are black. Enough of ceding popular democracy—including combative, even insurrectionary, democratic movements (i.e, those seeking to really—socially and politically—empower the majority of people) to the right.

Sure, Yellow Vest, the Brexit vote in England, and the vote for Donald Trump in the United States are all expressions of politically-amorphous class anger. But, A) That’s not intrinsically “fascist”; and B) The social overdeterminations and political alliances differ from each other in Important ways, Particularly as Americans, we should have the humble good sense not to confuse the politico-ideological situation of the French working class with our own.

Unlike its American cousin, the French working class is not steeped in libertarian, casino capitalist, market-worshipping, Shark Tank ideology. Yellow Vest is precisely fighting against the encroachment of that ideology. Indeed, that’s what Macron has been trying to foist on France, as the agent of the neoliberal finance globalism in which he sincerely believes—and which has, just coincidentally, netted him “a few quick millions during his passage through the Rothschild Bank.” ($31.5 millionin four years, in fact. Nice Work.)

Macron, known as  “the president of the rich,” has been “on a mission… to change things across the board in a way that I consider right.” That has involved introducing “a raft of tax reforms in a bid to dispel France’s reputation as a country that soaks the rich and stifles enterprise.”

As a result of his zeal, the French can now celebrate that “Paris has overtaken London for the first time in a global league table of the world’s ultra-rich.” Mission accomplished.

That is what the French working class is protesting against. It is not taken in by this market-worshipping crap, and never was. There was no wave of enraptured workers who thought Macron would make France great again for them. He was elected “only because a majority felt they had to vote against the ghost of “fascism” allegedly embodied by his opponent, Marine Le Pen… the French voted two to one in favor of a man whose program most of them either ignored or disliked.”

Macron has been trying to impose the American paradigm, promoting “a profound ideological transformation of the French ideal of égalité, equality, from a horizontal concept, meaning equal benefits for all, to the vertical ideal of ‘equality of opportunity’, meaning the theoretical chance of every individual to rise above the others.” Fortunately, “The French have traditionally been logical enough to understand that everyone can’t rise above the others.”

Like many of its counterparts throughout Europe, the French working class, including its unions and political parties, has historically been infused with socialist and communist ideologies. Though capitalist ideology has been making inroads, French workers are far from persuaded that casino capitalism is the best of all possible worlds. The core understanding of class struggle remains, and is a primary engine of the Yellow Vest movement. This is left populism.

It is nothing like the American working-class—the exceptionalism of which is its thorough and consistent saturation with capitalist social ideology, which leaves so many of them with the fantasy that they are, as Steinbeck (apocryphally) put it: “temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

That ideological formation sets the American working class up for capture by the two proudly capitalist parties—today, by Trumpian right-wing faux populism through which working-class anger is eaten by the reactionary Republican party; yesterday and tomorrow, by kindler, gentler, “we’recapitalistand that’s just the way it is” Clintonism, through which working-class anger is euthanized by the Democratic party.

In the Yellow Vest movement, the French working class is defending its social state, a form of social democracy that doesn’t exist in the United States. Their fight—actual fighting in the streets—is forrobust, publicly-funded public services, to defend them againstbeing privatized. As Diana Johnstone explains Macron’s attempted neo-liberal healthcare “reforms” they are fighting:

    France has long had the best public health program in the world, but this is being steadily undermined to meet the primary need of capital: profit.  In the past few years, there has been a growing government campaign to encourage, and finally to oblige people to subscribe to a “mutuelle”, that is, a private health insurance, ostensibly to fill “the gaps” not covered by France’s universal health coverage. The “gaps” can be the 15% that is not covered for ordinary illnesses .., or for medicines taken off the “covered” list, or for dental work, among other things.  The “gaps” to fill keep expanding, along with the cost of subscribing to the mutuelle.  In reality, this program, sold to the public as modernizing improvement, is a gradual move toward privatization of health care.  It is a sneaky method of opening the whole field of public health to international financial capital investment.  This gambit has not fooled ordinary people and is high on the list of complaints by the Gilets Jaunes.

Meanwhile, in the home of the brave, establishment liberals are trying to prevent the American people from getting anything close to what the French working class is fighting to defend, as Adam Cancryn writes in a Politico article, sharply titled, “Establishment looks to crush liberals on Medicare for All”: “The private-sector interests, backed in some cases by key Obama administration and Hillary Clinton campaign alumni, are now focused on beating back another prospective health care overhaul”.

The Yellow Vest movement is not a repeat of, but a model for, American working-class populist protest. A few million working-class Americans out on the street busting things up to get Medicare-for-All is exactly what we need. It got the French people some major “impossible” concessions right quick, and it’s probably the only way we’re going to get even the one social-democratic advance of Medicare-for-All. Wonking with the Neera Tandens and other Clintonite Democrats is certainly a waste of time.

So the Yellow Vest movement is a protest against international a neoliberal, sometimes called “globalist,” project to destroy European social democracy. The Yellow Vest protest is demonstrating, if not entirely recognizing, that the European Union—and especially its capstone, the Euro—isthat project.

Too many Western leftists, including among the working-class, bought the idea that the European Union was a progressive project. This was understandable, as it was sold as a prophylactic against the recurrence of the kind of horrendous wars among European nations that ravaged the continent.

Leftists let themselves be persuaded that it could also be the foundation of a new, united “social Europe” that would spread and strengthen the achievements of progressive social democracy andthe values of new identity, diversity, ecology, and human rights movements. It would be a project for overcoming both military conflict and archaic social attitudes. All good things. Through one good thing to rule them all.

But that was, and is, hogwash.

For its architects—the ones who had real power in government, business and finance, not the professors in their post-modern symbolic-exchange seminars—the primary purpose of the EU was always clear: to increase the power of capital over labor.

European capital (in conjunction with and under the tutelage of American capital) needed to find a way around the power of national labor movements embedded in strong unions and allied socialist and communist political parties.

European capital didn’t give a damn about diversity and human rights, but was happy to use those tropes as needed to marginalize class-based politics. Anything that would promote the idea that class was passé, and thereby help hasten the victory of the European capitalist classesover national labor movements, was fine by them. (Ecology is a little trickier, but they have some workarounds for that.). Wrapping class disdain in the patter of progressive, universal vs. backward, local values was a shrewd tactic that helped capital misdirect the attention of liberal intellectuals.to what the trick actually was.

Comes the reveal.

The real point of the EU was to force the member states into the neo-liberal austerity program dictated by international capital (and now particularly finance capital), from its headquarters in Washington/New York through its satellite in Berlin/Frankfurt. With leftist eyes fixed elsewhere, capital proceeded with its economic “reforms”—i.e., elimination of labor protections and capital controls. the privatization of public goods and services, budget restrictions that force the state to take loans from private banks, “competition” rules that favor private and foreign capital over public investment, etc.

It’s the program to which, international capital and Third-Way politicians have decreed, There Is No Alternative. And the EU is there to discipline the various states with rules and regulation of political economy that ensure that, indeed, there can be no alternative for them

For capital, it’s moving from public constraint to market freedom. For the working-class, it’s moving from secure public services to sauve-qui-peut. Every incipient entrepreneur for him or her self.

And the extra-special reveal: the left discovers the card in its own pocket, discovers that it’s been recruited, with various degrees of wittingness, to move from its historical place with the working class to up on the stage as “the left-wing of neoliberalism.”

In a specific example of how the imposition of the neoliberal TINA regime has played out in France, Macron’s government abandoned a Tidal Energy project because it wasn’t profitable—because new industrial projects rarely start out profitable, and need government subsidies to succeed. At the same time, General Electric came in and bought a big energy company.

De-industrialization provides another example. France has lost 40% of its industry as capital moves to lower-wage EU countries like Poland (The dismantling of the post-capitalist Soviet bloc was another huge boost for European unitycapital freedom). Auto-workers in central France, desperate to save their jobs, threaten to blow up the plant if the government doesn’t intervene.  But workers have lost their greatest weapon, the strike, the power to shut down an industry, when capital has beaten them to it.

The EU’s real mission was to forge this single neo-liberal political economy to which all its states and all their citizens are subjected. Johnstone sums it up nicely for France, where all the ruling parties “have followed European Union directives requiring member states to adopt neoliberal economic policies. Especially since the adoption of the common currency, the euro, a little over fifteen years ago, those economic policies have become tangibly harmful to France, hastening its deindustrialization, the ruin of its farmers and the growing indebtedness of the State to private banks.”

Thus, the neoliberal austerity offensive of the EU is a war on social democracy, That’s what the yellow vests and other European populists and “nationalist” movements are responding to. What’s also taken so many on the left and in the working class too long to get is that it has been a war on social democratic economic arrangements, carried out by the Social Democratic political parties.

When asked to name her greatest achievement, Margaret Thatcher said instantly and correctly: ‘Tony Blair and New Labour.” Similarly, Reagan’s greatest legacy was Bill Clinton and the Clintonite Democratic Party. And Mitterrand became the best bud of Reagan and Thatcher, creating the Socialist Party of Hollande and Macron. Turning the Socialist Party of France into one of the midwives of neoliberalism in Europe. Rinse and repeat throughout Europe.

For thirty years, the ostensible Social Democratic parties steadily but surreptitiously–under false pretenses–introduced elements of the austerity project, until austerity was all that was left. It’s been a neat trick of political-economy substitution—switching social-democracy with austerity right before your eyes.

And one day—after a gas-tax hike or whatever—the working class woke up to realize that all the incremental changes had added up to a qualitative difference. The great post-war social democratic arrangement–whereby the capitalist classes agreed to provide a set of essential public services and decent-life guarantees, in exchange for being allowed to maintain their decisive control of society’s capital wealth–was gone. “Macron is a bubble that has burst.”

There are a few conclusions to be drawn from all this that are severely discomfiting to, and have been assiduously avoided by, too many leftists who have been entrenched in anything-but-class discourse.

One is that the European Union itself (with the Euro) was one of the main weapons, and falsest of pretenses, in this flim-flam. The EU was the pretty box the rabbit went into, and came out cooked.

The EU is, and always was, a project of capitalist globalization, which, despite much wishful thinking, is not—in fact, is the opposite of—proletarian internationalism. It’s a nasty simulacrum thereof, that pushes European society in the opposite direction.

Many leftists, grounding themselves solely in a humanitarian and altruistic paradigm, resist thinking about the disruptions and depressions of labor pools and markets, and the transfer of cheap labor around the continent and the world, as part of a process of capitalist globalization, as a complement and enhancement to the “free” movement of capital, as a process created and managed by capital in its interest and antithetical to the interest of proletarian internationalism. In so resisting, they are again forgoing the critique of the political economy of capitalism and resting within a paradigm of concern shared with wealthy elites. Angela Nagle’s argumentdeserves to be taken seriously. There are many difficult things to unpack here, but altruism is not solidarity, and we have to start thinking the difference.

A corollary conclusion is that it turns out the European nation-state is now the last redoubt of social democracy.

As Michael Hudson frequently points out, we have to think of what the EU (especially through the Euro) has been doing to European nations—and especially to the working classes of those nations—as war with financial and economic weapons: “It’s a financial war. And finance really is war by other means, the way it’s being conducted today, because the objective of finance in Western Europe is the same as that of war.”

It’s not a metaphor; it’s a war of the bankers and capitalists to wrench the public wealth of European nations from the political control of their working-class populations, with deadly consequences. The working classes are besieged and are fighting back, for social democracy, from the territory in which they are cornered, and in which they still have some power: the national polity.

If leftists can’t think of it this way, and only see the expressions of nationalism as “fascism,” if they decry the Yellow Vests for singing the Marseillaise…Well, all I can say is: If it was good enough for Rick… The important thing isn’t what song you sing, it’s whom your song is defying.

Euro, Trash

A crucial point about the EU and the key role of the Euro is perfectly summarized by Greg Palast (echoing Hudson): “currency union is class war by other means.”

Palast explains: “The euro is doing exactly what its progenitor – and the wealthy 1%-ers who adopted it – predicted and planned for it to do.”

Palast’s “progenitor” is University of Chicago economist Robert Mundell, who “produced the blueprint for European monetary union and a common European currency.” Mundell hated the fact that, in his words: “It’s very hard to fire workers in Europe,” so he designed a tool that would make it easier. As Palast says, the Euro was designed specifically to “remov[e] a government’s control over currency.. [and be] a weapon that would blow away government rules and labor regulations.” And Mundell, its architect, said it himself: “It [the Euro] puts monetary policy out of the reach of politicians, [And] without fiscal policy, the only way nations can keep jobs is by the competitive reduction of rules on business.”

Diana Johnstone explains that this is exactly how the Euro has ravaged France:

    it has become more and more obvious that EU monetarist policy based on the common currency, the euro, creates neither growth nor jobs as promised but destroys both. Unable to control its own currency, obliged to borrow from private banks, and to pay them interest, France is more and more in debt, its industry is disappearing and its farmers are committing suicide, on the average of one every other day.

This is the result of the EU and the Euro, and the “eco-tax” that provoked the protest has everything to do with it: Johnstone again:

    Indeed, it is perfectly hypocritical to call the French gas tax an “ecotax” since the returns from a genuine ecotax would be invested to develop clean energies – such as tidal power plants.  Rather, the benefits are earmarked to balance the budget, that is, to serve the government debt.

This “ecotax” is a fraud in every way. Macron’s “ecotax” is nothing but a means of restricting spending and balancing books—zeroing out numbers—at the insistence of the banksters running the EU. As Johnstone points out, it does not “pay for” anything.

And, really, think about how utterly silly that would be. The premise is that the tax a measure to stop catastrophic global warming. So: “We’re facing an apocalyptic disaster that will drown half the earth in a few decades. What should we do?” Answer: “Levy a tax.”

That’ll do what? All it will do is stop people who can’t “pay for” the tax to stop driving (or be driven deeper into debt). Everyone in the 1%, who can afford it, will keep on destroying the earth. That’s all “pay for” can mean in this context: The wealthy will pay a few more euros; the working class will pay with even more degraded lives. The problem will remain.

If you’re a serious political authority facing a global apocalypse—if the asteroid is heading for Earth—you don’t sit around trying to figure out: “What should we tax?” You decide what you have to do, and you do it, paying for it with your sovereign currency. If you have one.

You’d also need world-wide, cooperative public planning unconcerned with profit—something like, you know, socialism. Taxes, along with their obverse, profit “incentives,” are precisely the capitalist workaround for pretending to tackle the complex, global and systemic ecological problems that can only be solved by a socialist commonwealth.

So, while the masters of the EU universe are pushing us away from that, the Yellow Vests are perfectly right to say: “I’m more worried about the end of the month than about the end of the world.” That’s the succinct, populist version of Pepe Escobar’s observation:“Why is it easier to imagine the total destruction of mankind, from nuclear war to a climate catastrophe, than to work on changing the system of relations spawned by neoliberal capitalism?”

This also has everything to do with the point about money and taxes that I’ve made in a previous essay—namely, that taxes do not fund government spending, and that monetary sovereignty, which France and other European countries fatally surrendered to the EU and the Eurobank, is an indispensable tool for progressive policy initiatives. The Yellow Vest revolt is implicitly, and must be explicitly if it is to succeed, a revolt against the Euro. And leftists need to understand why that is so.

Finally, a point alluded to above is worth reprising: Social Democracy killed social democracy. And it wasn’t by accident. The Social Democratic parties and politicians (like Macron) that spent 30 years undoing social democracy, and now firmly perceive their identity as uber-State stewards of global finance capitalism, are not going to bring it back. Willingly.

The only reason we had post-war European social democracy in the first place was because of the threat of socialist revolution. The only thing that could get it back is precisely the same threat.

We are in a conjuncture—the Social Democratic parties have brought us here—where: If you want social democracy, you have to fight for full-on socialism.

But, hey, if you succeed so well as to threaten a socialist victory, why stop short? If you again leave the capitalist class with their control of the capital wealth of society, they will again use it relentlessly to erode whatever social democracy they concede, and you’ll repeat the same cycle. That’s what a classanalysis tells you.

Of course, the Yellow Vest movement, though it may be in that conjuncture, is nowhere near that choice. And I do not know, and have serious doubts about, whether it ever will be. This percolating crisis of European neo-liberalism has been throwing up a lot of disappointing false-hope movements, like Syriza (which I critiqued sharply at the time here and here). As the song goes: “What it is ain’t exactly clear.”

But what’s happening here, with the Yellow Vests, is a self-actuated working-class movement against austerity, inequality, and the neo-liberal uber-State. It’s a hell of a start, and deserves the support of the left.

It’s the classic scene, where the detached American decides to take the risk of siding with a movement that’s not what he asked for.

Play the Marseillaise.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on December 23, 2018, 10:14:01 AM
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Agreement doesn’t precede, it results from, solidarity. You get—earn and build—popular support for progressive, socialist, and revolutionary ideas and programs by defending and fighting for people’s material interests, not by interrogating people who are in actual revolt against the neo-liberal state to see whether they have the correct ideas regarding everything on your checklist, and insulting and attacking them if they don’t. That’s the approach of the liberal intellectual, not the left socialist.

Good article, solidarity is explained and throughout the whole thing the scam of western elitistism is exposed.

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Historically, the core definition of the left has been solidarity with the working class (everyone who depends on wages to live), which includes the majority of people of all races and genders.

The right leaning status-quo managed to convince all that the 'left' was only about the second part of this definition.  Not about the first part when the second part is actually a consequence of the first.

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Title: 🍟 Why France’s Yellow Vest protests have been ignored by “The Resistance” in...
Post by: RE on January 05, 2019, 12:49:30 AM
The FSoA "left" is ignoring it because there IS no FSoA left!

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Why France’s Yellow Vest protests have been ignored by “The Resistance” in the U.S.

Why France’s Yellow Vest protests have been ignored by “The Resistance” in the U.S.

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“The rich are only defeated when running for their lives.”

— C.L.R. James, The Black Jacobins

In less than two months, the yellow vests (“gilets jaunes) movement in France has reshaped the political landscape in Europe. For a seventh straight week, demonstrations continued across the country even after concessions from a cowed President Emmanuel Macron while inspiring a wave of similar gatherings in neighboring states like Belgium and the Netherlands. Just as el-Sisi’s dictatorship banned the sale of high-visibility vests to prevent copycat rallies in Egypt, corporate media has predictably worked overtime trying to demonize the spontaneous and mostly leaderless working class movement in the hopes it will not spread elsewhere.

The media oligopoly initially attempted to ignore the insurrection altogether, but when forced to reckon with the yellow vests they maligned the incendiary marchers using horseshoe theory to suggest a confluence between far left and far right supporters of Jean-Luc Mélenchon and Marine Le Pen. To the surprise of no one, mainstream pundits have also stoked fears of ‘Russian interference’ behind the unrest. We can assume that if the safety vests were ready-made off the assembly line of NGOs like the raised fist flags of Serbia’s OTPOR! movement, the presstitutes would be telling a different story.

It turned out that a crisis was not averted but merely postponed when Macron defeated his demagogue opponent Le Pen in the 2017 French election. While it is true that the gilets jaunes were partly impelled by an increase on fuel prices, contrary to the prevailing narrative their official demands are not limited to a carbon tax. They also consist of explicit ultimatums to increase the minimum wage, improve the standard of living, and an end to austerity, among other legitimate grievances against a savage neoliberal program. Since taking office, Macron has declared war on trade unions while pushing through enormous tax breaks for the wealthy (like himself) — it was just a matter of time until the French people had enough of the country’s privatization. It is only a shock to the oblivious establishment why the former Rothschild banker-turned-politician, who addressed the nation seated at a gold desk while Paris was ablaze, is suddenly in jeopardy of losing power. The status quo’s incognizance is reminiscent of the much disliked Marie Antoinette who during the 18th century when told the peasants had no bread is supposed to have replied, “let them eat cake”, as the masses starved under her husband Louis XVI.

While the media’s conspicuous blackout of coverage is partly to blame, the deafening silence from across the Atlantic in the United States is really because of the lack of class consciousness on its political left. With the exception of Occupy Wall Street, the American left has been so preoccupied with an endless race to the bottom in the two party ‘culture wars’ that it is unable to comprehend an upheaval undivided by the contaminants of identity politics. A political opposition that isn’t fractured on social issues is simply unimaginable. Not to say the masses in France are exempt from the internal contradictions of the working class, but the fetishization of lifestyle politics in the U.S. has truly become its weakness. We will have to wait and see whether the yellow vests transform into a global movement or arrive in America, but for now the seeming lack of solidarity stateside equates to a complicity with Macron’s agenda.

It serves as a reminder of the historically revisionist understanding of French politics in the U.S. that is long-established. The middle class dominated left-wing in America subscribes to a historical reinterpretation of the French Revolution that is a large contributor of its aversion to transformative praxis in favor of incrementalism. The late Italian Marxist philosopher and historian Domenico Losurdo, who died in June of this year, offered the most thorough understanding of its misreading of history in seminal works such as War and Revolution: Rethinking the Twentieth Century. The liberal rereading of the French Revolution is the ideological basis for its rejection of the revolutionary tradition from the Jacobins to the Bolsheviks that has neutralized the modern left to this day.

According to its revised history, the inevitable outcome of comprehensive systemic change is Robespierre’s so-called ‘Reign of Terror’, or the ‘purges’ of the Stalin era in the Soviet Union. In its view, what began with the Locke and Montesquieu-influenced reforms of the constitutional monarchy was ‘hijacked’ by the radical Jacobin and sans-culotte factions. Losurdo explains that counter-revolutionaries eager to discredit the image of rebellion overemphasize its violence and bloodshed, and never properly contextualize it as self-defense against the real reign of terror by the ruling class. The idea behind this recasting of history is to conflate revolutionary politics with Nazi Germany whose racially-motivated genocide was truly the inheritor of the legacy of European colonialism, not the ancestry of the Jacobins or the Russian Revolution.


“Robespierre remains one the most misunderstood and unfairly maligned figures in world history…”

On July 28, 1794, Maximilien Robespierre, a leading figure of the French Revolution, and a genuine radical, was sent to the guillotine in Paris, France

Maximilien Robespierre’s real crime in the eyes of bourgeois historians was attempting to fulfill the egalitarian ideals of republicanism by transferring political power from the aristocracy and nouveaux riche directly into the hands of the working class, just as the Paris Commune did nearly 80 years later. It is for this reason he subsequently became one of the most misunderstood and unfairly maligned figures in world history, perhaps one day to be absolved. The U.S. reaction to the yellow vests is a continuation of the denial and suppression of the class conflict inherent in the French Revolution which continues to seethe beneath the surfaces of capitalism today.

In today’s political climate, it is easy to forget that there have been periods where the American left was actually engaged with the crisis of global capitalism. In what seems like aeons ago, the anti-globalization movement in the wake of NAFTA culminated in huge protests in Seattle in 1999 which saw nearly 50,000 march against the World Trade Organization. Following the 2008 financial collapse, it briefly reemerged in the Occupy movement which was also swiftly put down by corporate-state repression. Currently, the political space once inhabited by the anti-globalization left has been supplanted by the ‘anti-globalist’ rhetoric mostly associated with right-wing populism.

Globalism and globalization may have qualitatively different meanings, but they nevertheless are interrelated. Although it is shortsighted, there are core accuracies in the former’s narrative that should be acknowledged. The idea of a shadowy world government isn’t exclusively adhered to by anti-establishment conservatives as it is right to suspect there is a worldwide cabal of secretive billionaire power brokers controlling events behind the scenes. There is indeed a ‘new world order’ with zero regard for the sovereignty of nation states, just as there is a ‘deep state.’ However, it is a ruling class not of paranoiac imagination but real life, and a right-wing billionaire like Robert Mercer is as much a globalist as George Soros.

Ever since capitalism emerged it has always been global in nature, as money itself.  The current economic crisis is its latest cyclical downturn, impoverishing and alienating working people whose increasing hardship is what has led to the trending rejection of the EU. Imperialism has exported capital leading to the destruction of jobs in the home sectors of Western nations while outsourcing them to the third world. Over time, deep disgruntlement among the working class has grown toward an economic system that is clearly rigged against them, where the skewed distribution of capital gains and widespread tax evasion on the part of big business is camouflaged as buoyant economic growth. When it came crashing down in the last recession, the financial institutions responsible were bailed out using tax payer money instead of facing any consequences. Such grotesque unfairness has only been amplified by the austerity measure imposed on the people, further transferring the burden from the 1% to the poor.

Before the gilets jaunes, the U.K.’s Brexit referendum in 2016 laid bare these deep class divisions within the European Union. One of the most significant events in the continent since WWII, it has ultimately threatened to reshape the Occident’s status in the post-war order as a whole. Brexit manifested out of divisions within Britain’s political parties, especially the Tories, which had been plagued for years by internal dispute over the EU. Those in power were blind to the warning signs of discontent toward a world economy in crisis and were shocked by the plebiscite in which the working class defied the powers that be against all odds with more than half voting to leave.

In general, well-to-do Brits were hard “remainers”,  while those suffering most severely from the destruction of industry, unemployment and austerity overwhelmingly chose to leave in what was described as a “peasants revolt” by the media. The value of the pound sterling quickly plunged and not long after the status of the United Kingdom as a whole came into question as Britain found itself at odds with Scotland’s unanimous decision to remain. Brexit tugged at the bonds holding the EU together and suddenly the collective standing clout of its member states was at stake in a potential breakup of the entire bloc.

Euroscepticism is also by no means a distinctly British phenomenon, as distrust has soared in countries hit the hardest by neoliberalism like Greece (80%), with Spain and France not far behind. In fact, before there was Brexit there was fear among the elite of a ‘Grexit.’ In response to its unprecedented debt crisis manufactured by the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Greek people elected the Coalition of the Radical Left, SYRIZA, a classic social democratic party with a rather fierce sounding name, to a majority of legislative seats in the Hellenic Parliament during its 2015 bailout referendum. Unfortunately, the synthetic alliance turned out to be anything but radical and soon showed itself a Trojan horse of the establishment.  SYRIZA was elected on its promise to rescind the terms of Greek membership in the EU, but shortly after taking office it betrayed its constituency and agreed to the EU’s troika-enforced mass privatization (1). Even its former finance minister Yanis Varousfakis admitted that SYRIZA was a controlled opposition and auxiliary of the Soros Foundation.

Apart from suffering collective amnesia regarding the EU’s neoliberal policies, apparently the modern left is also in serious need of a history lesson regarding the federation’s fascist origins. It has been truly puzzling to see self-proclaimed progressives mourning Britain’s decision to withdraw from a continental union that was historically masterminded by former fifth columnists of Nazi Germany. It was in the aftermath of WWII’s devastation that the 1951 Treaty of Paris established the nucleus of the EU in the European Coal and Steel Community, a cooperative union formed by France, Italy, West Germany, and the three Benelux states (Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands). The Europe Declaration charter stated:

“By the signature of this Treaty, the involved parties give proof of their determination to create the first supranational institution and that thus they are laying the true foundation of an organized Europe. This Europe remains open to all European countries that have freedom of choice. We profoundly hope that other countries will join us in our common endeavor.”

Robert Schuman, French Foreign Minister, after the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty, under the portrait of Lafayette at the French Embassy in Washington in April 1949.

The idea of forming a “supranational” union was conceived by the French statesman Robert Schuman, who during the outbreak of WWII served as the Under-Secretary of State for Refugees in the Reynaud government. When Nazi Germany invaded France in 1940, Schuman by all accounts willingly voted to grant absolute dictatorial powers to Marshall Philippe Pétain to become Head of State of the newly formed Vichy government, the puppet regime that ruled Nazi-occupied France until the Allied invasion in 1944. By doing so, he retained his position in parliament, though he later chose to resign. Following the war, like all Vichy collaborators Schuman was initially charged with the offense of indignité nationale (“national shame”) and stripped of his civil rights as a traitor.

More than 4,000 alleged Quislings were summarily executed following Operation Overlord and the Normandy landings, but the future EU designer was fortunate enough to have friends in high places. Schuman’s clemency was granted by none other than General Charles de Gaulle himself, the leader of the resistance during the war and future French President. Instantly, Schuman’s turncoat reputation was rehabilitated and his wartime activity whitewashed. Even though he had knowingly voted full authority to Pétain, the retention of his post in the Vichy government was veneered to have occurred somehow without his knowledge or consent.

Adenauer, TIME “Man of the Year”, January 4, 1954

Schuman is officially regarded as one of the eleven men who were ‘founding fathers’ of what later became the EU. One of the other major figures that contributed to the federal integration of the continent was Konrad Adenauer, the first Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany. The Nuremberg Trials may have tried and executed most of the top leadership of the Nazi Party, but the post-war government that became West Germany was saturated with former Third Reich officials. Despite the purported post-war ‘denazification’ policy inscribed in the Potsdam agreement, many figures who had directly participated in the Holocaust were appointed to high positions in Adenauer’s administration and never prosecuted for their atrocities. Needless to say Adeenauer was extremely popular with the US elites and the American media.


Marshal Pétain meets with Adolf Hitler in 1940.

One such war criminal was the former Ministry of the Interior and drafter of the Nuremberg race statutes, Hans Globke, who became Adenauer’s right hand man as his Secretary of State and Chief of Staff. Adenauer also successfully lobbied the Allies to free most of the Wehrmacht war criminals in their custody, winning the support of then U.S. General and future President Dwight Eisenhower. By 1951, motivated by the desire to quickly rearm and integrate West Germany into NATO in the new Cold War, the policy of denazification was prematurely ended and countless offenders were allowed to reenter branches of government, military and public service. Their crimes against humanity took a backseat to the greater imperialist priority of rearmament against East Germany and the Soviets.

In the years following WWII, there was also concern among the elite of anti-Americanism growing in Western Europe. The annual Bilderberg Group conference was established in 1954 by Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, himself a former Reiter-SS Corps and Nazi Party member, to promote ‘Atlanticism’ and facilitate cooperation between American and European leaders. Invitations to the Bilderberg club meetings were extended to only the most exclusive paragons in politics, academia, the media, industry, and finance. In 2009, WikiLeaks revealed that it was at the infamous assembly where the hidden agenda of the European Coal and Steel Community, later the EU, was set:

“E. European Unity: The discussion on this subject revealed general support for the idea of European integration and unification among the participants from the six countries of the European Coal and Steel Community, and a recognition of the urgency of the problem. While members of the group held different views as to the method by which a common market could be set up, there was a general recognition of the dangers inherent in the present divided markets of Europe and the pressing need to bring the German people, together with the other peoples of Europe, into a common market. That the six countries of the Coal and Steel Community had definitely decided to establish a common market and that experts were now working this out was felt to be a most encouraging step forward and it was hoped that other countries would subsequently join it.”

Prince Bernard presides over the first annual Bilderberg meeting in 1954.

At the 1955 conference, the rudimentary idea for a European currency or what became the Eurozone was even discussed, three years before the Treaty of Rome which established the European Economic Community, without the public’s knowledge.

“A European speaker expressed concern about the need to achieve a common currency, and indicated that in his view this necessarily implied the creation of a central political authority.”

The mysterious Bilderberg gatherings are still held to this day under notorious secrecy and are frequently the subject of wild speculation. One can imagine a topic behind the scenes at this year’s meeting would be how to address the growth of anti-EU ‘populism’ and uprisings like the gilets jaunes. Hitlerite expansionism had been carried out on the Führer’s vision for a European federation in the Third Reich — in many respects, the EU is a rebranded realization of his plans for empire-building. How ironic that liberals are clinging to a multinational political union founded by fascist colluders while the same economic bloc is being opposed by today’s far right after its new Islamophobic facelift.


Aligning itself with the hollow, symbolic gestures of centrists has only deteriorated the standards of the left participating in such vacuousness and dragged it down to the level of liberals…

While nationalism may have played an instrumental role in Brexit, there is a manufactured hysteria hatched by the establishment which successfully reduced the complex range of reasons for the Leave EU vote to racism and flag-waving. They are now repeating this pattern by overstating the presence of the far right among the yellow vests. Such delirium not only demonizes workers but coercively repositions the left into supporting something it otherwise shouldn’t — the EU and by default its laissez-faire policies — thereby driving the masses further into the arms of the same far right. Echoes of this can be seen in the U.S. with the vapid response to journalist Angela Nagle’s recent article about the immigration crisis on the southern border. The faux-left built a straw man in their attack on Nagle, who dared to acknowledge that the establishment only really wants ‘open borders’ for an endless supply of low-wage labor from regions in the global south destabilized by U.S. militarism and trade liberalization. Aligning itself with the hollow, symbolic gestures of centrists has only deteriorated the standards of the left participating in such vacuousness and dragged it down to the level of liberals.

There is no doubt Brexit and Trump pushed the xenophobia button and could not have come about without it. However, such criticism means nothing when it comes from moral posturers who claim to “stand with refugees” while supporting the very ‘humanitarian’ interventionist policies displacing them. Nativism was not the sole reason the majority voted to leave the EU and many working class minorities also were Brexiters. Of course their fellow workers and migrants are not the true cause of their misery. After all, it was not just chattel slaves who came to the U.S. unwillingly but European immigrants fleeing continental wars and starvation as well — the crisis in the EU today is no different.

Fundamentally, migrants seek asylum on Europe’s doorstep because of NATO’s imperial expansion and the unexpected arrival of Brexit has threatened to weaken the EU’s military arm. Already desperate to reinvent itself and a new enemy in Russia despite its functional obsolescence, the shock of the referendum has inconveniently undermined NATO’s ability to pressure Moscow and Beijing, a step forward for securing world peace in the long run and a silver lining to its outcome. It is the task of the left to reject the EU’s neoliberal project while transmitting the message that capital, not refugees, is the cause of the plight of the masses. It is also necessary to have faith in the people, something cynical liberals lack. Racism may historically be the Achilles heel of the working class but underlying Brexit, the election of Trump, and the yellow vests is the spirit of defiance in working people, albeit such manifestation still largely mired in political confusion in need of more battle-tested guidance.

If the yellow vests are today’s sans-culottes, like those who became the revolutionary partisans in the French Revolution, they will eventually need a Jacobin Club. Relatively progressive but ultimately reformist figures like Mélenchon are no such spearhead and will only lead them down the same dead end of SYRIZA. The absence of any such vanguard has forced the working class to take matters into their own hands in the interim. If history is any guide, the gilets jaunes will be stamped out until a new cadre takes the reins whose objective is, as Lenin said,“not to champion the degrading of the revolutionary to the level of an amateur, but to raise the amateurs to the level of revolutionaries.” We also cannot fall into ideological fantasies that we live in permanent revolutionary circumstances or that a spontaneous uprising can become comprehensive simply because of ingenious leadership. Nevertheless, as Mao Tse-Tung wrote, “a single spark can start a prairie fire” and hopefully the yellow vests are that flame.

Notes
 (1) Currently, while talking about the troika (especially in the media) one refers to a decision group formed by the European Commission (EC), the European Central Bank (ECB) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).


About the Author

 Go to the profile of Max ParryMAX PARRY, Contributing Editor • Max Parry is an independent journalist and geopolitical analyst.  His writing is committed to an anti-war, anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist perspective in the tradition of Michael Parenti.  He is originally from San Diego, CA and resides in Brooklyn, NY.  His work has appeared in the Greanville Post, InSerbia Today and The Global Politics.  Max may be reached at maxrparry@live.com.

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on January 05, 2019, 03:16:13 PM
When they are this long I just go to the Greanville and read it there.

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With the exception of Occupy Wall Street, the American left has been so preoccupied with an endless race to the bottom in the two party ‘culture wars’ that it is unable to comprehend an upheaval undivided by the contaminants of identity politics.

Pulled that out of it.  Which means our 'left' is no way a real left as we both know.  The difference between an accredited four year college degree and an online course which gives you a certificate after four hours online would be an apt description.  Eddie drinks the online course Kool-Aid.  Americans talking about the left must seem as dumb as rocks to Europeans.

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Counter-revolutionaries eager to discredit the image of rebellion overemphasize its violence and bloodshed, and never properly contextualize it as self-defense against the real reign of terror by the ruling class.

Because of its political narrowness, the petite bourgeoisie easily yields to the demagoguery of the most reactionary circles of the bourgeoisie and will staunchly support the counter-revolutionist.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on January 05, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
When they are this long I just go to the Greanville and read it there.

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With the exception of Occupy Wall Street, the American left has been so preoccupied with an endless race to the bottom in the two party ‘culture wars’ that it is unable to comprehend an upheaval undivided by the contaminants of identity politics.

Pulled that out of it.  Which means our 'left' is no way a real left as we both know.  The difference between an accredited four year college degree and an online course which gives you a certificate after four hours online would be an apt description.  Eddie drinks the online course Kool-Aid.  Americans talking about the left must seem as dumb as rocks to Europeans.

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Counter-revolutionaries eager to discredit the image of rebellion overemphasize its violence and bloodshed, and never properly contextualize it as self-defense against the real reign of terror by the ruling class.

Because of its political narrowness, the petite bourgeoisie easily yields to the demagoguery of the most reactionary circles of the bourgeoisie and will staunchly support the counter-revolutionist.

No genuine left of any sort in the FSoA. Pearl-clutching right wing freakozoids afraid of images emerging from Rush Limbaugh's pie-hole.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on January 05, 2019, 06:55:02 PM
When they are this long I just go to the Greanville and read it there.

Yes longer articles are generally best read by going to the site itself.  That's why I always provide a link to the site.  However, I like to have the text stored in the Diner Database just in case one of those sites gets axed by DHS.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on January 05, 2019, 07:38:56 PM
When they are this long I just go to the Greanville and read it there.

Yes longer articles are generally best read by going to the site itself.  That's why I always provide a link to the site.  However, I like to have the text stored in the Diner Database just in case one of those sites gets axed by DHS.

RE

If you did not bring it here we might never see it.
Title: 🍟 France: Clashes hit Paris as ‘Yellow Vests’ protest for eighth straight week
Post by: RE on January 07, 2019, 12:43:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/i9EoT5orLEw

http://www.youtube.com/v/btDhO9m1B7o
Title: 🍟 GILETS JAUNES: Civilians in Police Crosshairs as Macron Adopts Totalitarian
Post by: RE on February 02, 2019, 01:30:34 AM
Fascism is alive and well and living in France.

RE

https://21stcenturywire.com/2019/01/29/gilets-jaunes-civilians-in-police-crosshairs-as-macron-adopts-totalitarian-state-practices-to-suppress-dissent/ (https://21stcenturywire.com/2019/01/29/gilets-jaunes-civilians-in-police-crosshairs-as-macron-adopts-totalitarian-state-practices-to-suppress-dissent/)

GILETS JAUNES: Civilians in Police Crosshairs as Macron Adopts Totalitarian State-Practices to Suppress Dissent

GILETS JAUNES: Civilians in Police Crosshairs as Macron Adopts Totalitarian State-Practices to Suppress Dissent


 Volunteer fireman, Olivier Beziade, a father-of-three in his 30s, was shot in the back of the head in Bordeaux on Saturday 12th January 2019. (Photo: Stephanie Roy on Twitter) 

Vanessa Beeley
 21st Century Wire

A 30-year-old volunteer fireman who joined the Gilets Jaunes protests in Bordeaux, France on the 12th January 2019, is in a coma after being shot in the back of the head by an LBD or “flashball” bullet fired by French security forces who are brutally suppressing public demonstrations in most major French cities. Olivier Beziade is a father of three who now has a “very serious brain injury” and is in an induced coma. As violence radiates across France, western media locks down and fails to report comprehensively or fairly on Police infractions against protestors. 

The following is the video of this event, during which one of the police officers appears to say “they (protestors) don’t know it’s us” and instructs his colleagues to “pick up the casings”, after Beziade had been gunned down and was lying face down on the street. WATCH: 

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The Gilets Jaunes or Yellow Vests

The Gilets Jaunes (GJs) or Yellow Vest movement began officially on the 17th November 2018 but according to some analysts this people’s initiative was being ignited long before and is a product of successive French government marginalisation of important sectors of the French population. Thomas Flichy de Neuville, academic and historian, wrote very recently about the socio-political alarm bells that preceded the Gilets Jaunes by at least five years.

In 2013, a deputy from the Pyrenees Atlantique department of France, Jean Lassalle, spent 8 months walking around France. He covered 5000 km on foot and spoke with the “forgotten” French people. Lassalle reported that the lasting impression from his experience was that most of those he encountered had a desire to “turn the tables, that they had had enough on many levels”.

Lassalle’s report was submitted to the presidents of the assemblees in April 2014. Lassalle warned that nine out of ten people in France were ready to “explode”, three out of ten were ready to mobilise if and when the “explosion” took place. Lassalle prophesied that  “Les réseaux sociaux sont prêts à agir comme une arme formidable de mobilisation” “social media is ready to to act as a formidable weapon of mobilisation”. 

According to Flichy, the one problem with Lassalle’s ground breaking report was that he predicted the imminent eruption of dissent “it is ten minutes before midnight”, Lassalle wrote. Nothing transpired as predicted in 2015 and the 196 page report was consigned to the archives, its prescient contents forgotten as France buried itself in a foreign intervention quagmire in Syria, Yemen and Mali and ignored the gathering storm at home.


 GJ protestors being tear gassed in Bordeaux, January 12th 2019. (Photo: Nicolas Duffaure)

In 2014, Christophe Guilluy, a geographer, wrote a book entitled “La France Peripherique” which investigated the demographics of major French cities and highlighted the problems of wealthy, opulent city centers compared to the marginalised and poor suburbs where 60% of the “forgotten” population resided. Guilluy concluded that many of these communities would ultimately vote for more right wing or nationalist political parties in search of an antidote for their deteriorating living conditions.

Guilluy’s work is particularly relevant when we consider that the match to the touchpaper for the GJs was the hike in fuel prices by President Macron’s government. While this is not the sole reason for the unrest we see today, nationwide in France, it is an important factor for 60% of a population, many of whom subsist on the minimum wage (SMIC) – if those people travel 20km to work every day, they will spend 250 euros per month which is a quarter of the SMIC. It is easy to see why these people reacted so forcefully against a fuel tax that would impact them the most.

Why the Gilet Jaune ? Analyst and author, based in France, Diana Johnstone put it most succinctly in an article for Unz Review:

“Every automobile in France is supposed to be equipped with a yellow vest. This is so that in case of accident or breakdown on a highway, the driver can put it on to ensure visibility and avoid getting run over. [..] The costume was at hand and didn’t have to be provided by Soros for some more or less manufactured “color revolution”. The symbolism was fitting: in case of socio-economic emergency, show that you don’t want to be run over.”

The GJs have distanced themselves from politics and politicians to protect their grass-roots identity. The leadership structure is horizontal, no leaders or identity politics. The spokespeople are not practiced public speakers, they are people from every walk of life and they represent a wide spectrum of French society. The manifesto is varied depending upon regional collectives but most demands nationwide appear to be in synch with minor differences.

One such manifesto was published by a number of media outlets in December 2018 and it listed a number of demands for reform in the economic, political, health and social security and environmental sectors. This manifesto also addressed the issue of Macron’s neoliberal foreign policy and included a call to end “France’s participation in foreign wars of aggression and exit from NATO” and to “cease pillaging and interfering – politically and militarily – in Francafrique which keeps Africa poor. Immediately repatriate all French soldiers. Establish relations with African states on an equal peer-to-peer basis”


 Forces of “law and order” on the streets of Bordeaux during Acte X of GJ protests, 12/1/2019. (Photo: Nicolas Duffaure

The fundamental message of the GJs is that they simply can’t make ends meet. The cost of living keeps going up and salaries keep being squeezed. The Government needs to listen to its people and to change course. Most europeans reading this will feel empathy with this expression of desperation. There has been a cover-up in France by the government and the media. These calls for help have been muted, filtered and ignored by the state-aligned media and government officials for some time now.

Macron’s government has used Climate Change and global warming as a damoclean sword brandished over the heads of the malcontent to distract them from their misery – suggesting the future of the planet outweighs the trivia of feeding your children or avoiding homelessness – the push back from the GJs was swift, while they may cherish their environment and are ecologically aware “they are more worried about the end of the month than the future of the world” 

In some cases, early on in the protests, the GJs are being systematically dehumanized. Gerard Darminin, the budget minister, described the GJs as the “peste brune – the brown plague” meaning fascists. In the dozens of interviews I have listened to, not one GJ has expressed a sentiment that could even remotely be described as right wing or fascist.  The GJs are an apolitical collective with a focus on socio-economic issues that directly affect their ability to survive in modern France which, in their view, is drifting dangerously away from the vision of a Republic that most of the demonstrators have grown up with.


 Protestors in Bordeaux on 12th January 2019. The banner reads “Macron out, democracy is dead”. (Photo: Nicolas Duffaure)

The government response has been largely dismissive, repressive, condemnatory and increasingly inflammatory. Instead of “maintaining order” through genuine negotiation and reform, Macron appears to have unleashed an escalation of police violence against demonstrators which will provoke the GJs further, increasing dissent and the potential for counter-reactionary measures against the state.

Interior Ministry, State and Media Reaction to Gilets Jaunes


 Christophe Castaner, Interior Minister. (Photo: Nicolas Messyasz)

Macron’s first choice Interior Minister was the socialist mayor of Lyons, Gerard Collomb who resigned his post in October 2018, despite Macron’s entreaties for him to stay, citing “immense difficulties” facing his successor. Collomb was replaced by Christophe Castaner as head of national police forces, among other responsibilities. Former socialist and with a degree in criminology, Castaner’s reputation is somewhat tarnished by his connections to a Marseilles mafioso, Christian Oraison, in the 1970s.

French Prime Minister, Edouard Phillippe introduced a new law to “better protect the right to demonstrate” in January 2019. Protestors who are labelled falsely as “agitators” “insurrectionists” or who demand that “President Macron resign” will effectively be collectively reprimanded by a law that introduces measures of heavy punishment of demonstration organisers whose time and place has not been given the official stamp of approval.

500 complaints against Castaner for restricing the right to protest were submitted to the Court of Cassation but were dismissed by Public Prosecutor, Francois Molins, who stated that he would not be prosecuting Castaner for his remarks that “participants in the GJ protests were complicit with those who had resorted to violence”.


 Bordeaux police gather for GJ protests January 2019. (Photo: Nicolas Duffaure)

Castaner has consistently defended the police squads and their use of disproportionate force against unarmed demonstrators by claiming that the GJs are the ones to instigate violence, the police are acting in self-defense. The mounting number of cases of civilian mutilation and wounding by heavily armed police officers suggest that Castaner is distorting the truth.

Castaner’s only concession has been to equip the police forces with body cameras so they can record their own violations of the use of “proportionate force” in the maintenance of law and order. Doubts must be cast on the willingness of a police force already facing 100s if not thousands of claims against them, to provide the evidence that will further incriminate them. When Castaner was pressed to comment on the violence being meted out against civilians by the police, he responded:

I don’t know of one policeman or one gendarme who has attacked the Gilets Jaunes, on the other hand, I know many police or gendarmes who have taken defensive measures to defend the Republic, the order of the Republic – you know there is no “liberty” without public order [..] but naturally I have never seen a gendarme or a police officer attack a demonstrator or a journalist, on the contrary I have seen demonstrators systematically attack our security forces and journalists. 


 Police arrest a protestor. (Photo: Gilets Jaunes Facebook page)

Castaner is one of the chief promoters of the draconian and controversial “Loi Anti Casseurs – Anti-Breakers (looters) law”. Those who oppose adoption of the law have claimed it will further erode freedom of speech and liberty of expression in France. The law proposes security perimeters around protests, facial recognition, bag searches, body searches, 2-4 years in prison if found guilty of violence against the police and up to Euros 7,500 ($ 8580) fines for those who violate the law. It is worth noting that Castaner himself admits that the number of “casseurs” nationwide are negligible, numbering between “150 – 200/300 across all regions of France”.

The law states that protestors who hide their faces will be targeted – this measure is controversial as most protestors and journalists are forced to cover their heads and faces to protect themselves against tear gas and the risk of mutiliation by “flashball” rubber bullets or “grenades d’encerclement”” which contain 25g of TNT and can release hundreds of 10g rubber pellets at close range if used incorrectly, by the security forces. Macron’s government sees these measures as essential to crack down on violence against the state, the GJs will perceive it as a further instrument of oppression by the state against its own people. So far, 200 ammendments have been made to the law by those who are alarmed by the increased totalitarian measures being imposed upon France and its people by Macron’s ministers.

French state-aligned media and UK corporate media have followed Castaner’s narrative lead with little deviation, the following short clip from a report by France’s TF1 demonstrates the disinformation being presented about the GJs and the police violence. The TF1 presenter denies any police infractions and praises them for their “sang froid”, their composure:

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 Macron Response to Gilets Jaunes

After initially distancing himself from the protests, perhaps in the vain hope they would fizzle out, on the 10th December Macron finally appeared before his people on TV. During the broadcast an apparently chastened Macron agreed to delay the fuel tax hike, he offered an extra 100 Euros per month for minimum wage earners and tax cuts for pensioners among other measures. Even the Economist described Macron’s 10 billion-euro concession package as an attempt to buy off his critics. The broadcast was watched by a staggering 21m people. The reaction was mixed, perhaps 50% of the GJs and their supporters seeing it as an attempt to keep the people quiet rather than a genuine effort to change course and address the long-standing issues that had generated the protests in the first place.

Macron’s later New Year 2019 address to the nation which followed a terrifying increase in the violence seen on the streets of Paris and across France, was a much more aggressive affair. Having failed to appease the “crowds” with a few unconvincing political crumbs, Macron seemed to have decided to adopt the hardline approach. “These days I have seen unthinkable things and heard the unacceptable” Macron stated. Macron even took on the few opposition politicians who dared to empathise with the protestors. Macron berated those who pretend to “speak for the people”, calling them “spokespersons for hateful crowds” and denounced “those who have mingled with the Yellow Vest protesters to spread hate speech about “police forces, journalists, Jews, foreigners, homosexuals” as a “negation of France”. I am yet to find a recording of a GJ spreading hate speech about any of the factions mentioned by Macron.

Macron’s other concession was the so called “Grand Debate”, a series of town hall meetings where representatives of the communes and departments across France would meet to present grievances on behalf of their constituents and the GJs. In reality, anyone wearing a yellow vest in the vicinity of the meetings may be fined Euros 135 ( $ 154). At some meetings road blocks were erected some way from the meeting place and identity papers of drivers were photographed, anyone wearing a yellow vest was told to go back. So, from day one, the Grand Debate called to address the concerns raised by the GJs deemed the GJs as persona non grata.

On the 18th January 2019, a Grand Debate was held in Souillac, south-west France. One of the attending Mayors gave an interview to a local media outlet after the debate had finished. Rene Revol, Mayor of Grabels (Department 34) said the meeting was nothing more than a “masquerade”, a farce, an election campaign for Macron. Gilets Jaunes were forbidden and threatened with fines if they were caught in the vicinity wearing their vests. Road blocks were set up on all roads leading to the venue. Security forces surrounded Macron’s cavalcade. Mayors were able to speak only if chosen by government ministers or Prefets – effectively controlled discourse. The meeting was ostensibly called to address the issues of the people. Nothing was discussed and the “people” were banned.

State Sanctioned Violence and Repression


 Record of some of the appalling injuries inflicted upon unarmed civilians by police forces across France. (Photo: Desarmons.net)

Since the 24th November 2018 the violence witnessed on the streets of cities across France has escalated dramatically. One French independent journalist, David Dufresnes, has been recording all infractions committed by police and security forces and tweeting them to the Interior Ministry while giving interviews to a huge number of French media channels to raise awareness of the police brutality during peaceful protests. In the tweet below, infraction number 362 dated 26/1/2019, an off duty soldier is reported to be hit in the head by a police LBD40 rubber bullet as he is leaving a restaurant in Montpelier on his way to the nightclub with two of his colleagues.

Dufresnes has recorded 157 injuries to the head including 18 who have lost an eye, fractures of the jaw and comas in the most severe cases. 11 hand injuries, in 4 cases resulting in the loss of a hand. 8 back injuries, 28 injuries to the upper body, 40 lower limb injuries, 3 injuries to the genital area, 48 unspecified injuries and 55 cases of intimidation, insults, repression of press freedom infractions. One eighty-year-old was murdered on the 1st December 2018 in Marseilles – Zineb Redouane was killed when a tear gas grenade was thrown in her face by the security forces. According to Dufresnes this is the list of the more serious injuries, an estimated 2000 – 3000 more GJs have been “lightly” injured during the protests since November 2018.


 Chart produced by independent journalist, David Dufresnes and Mediapart showing injuries received by GJs and civilians from Police weapons and brutality during protests. 

Dufresnes argues that the police have already lost control of the situation and can no longer be legitimately claiming to “maintain law and order”. In one interview Dufresnes points out that the use of 10,000 tear gas grenades on one day of protests points to a “panic” situation among the security forces. During “Acte XI” of the protests on the 26th January the elderly man, Eric, in the photo below was hit on the head by a police truncheon in Marseilles. He has three fractures and is forced to eat only liquid food from the left side of his mouth for three weeks, according to his brother.

Two students were recently inteviewed by independent French media channel, Mediapart. Antoine Boudinet lost his right hand when a GLIF4 grenade exploded close to him in Bordeaux, December 2018. Lola Villabriga was hit in the face by a LBD40 flashball bullet which triple-fractured her jaw in Biarritz, also December 2018.


 Lola Villabriga, student, her jaw was fractured when she was hit in the face by a “flashball” bullet, December 2018 in Biarritz next to Antoine Boudient, student, who lost a hand during protests in Bordeaux December 2018. (Photo: Screenshot from Mediapart interview)

Boudinet was actually taking part in a “climate” march which joined with the GJ march at one point during the protests. Boudinet has submitted a claim against Christophe Castaner for the police use of the GLIF4 grenade which has disabled him for life. Boudinet clearly states that he holds Castaner and the Interior Ministry responsible for the arms used by the police – “when such arms are available, it is certain that at some moment something will happen and there will be an incident. Explosives should never be thrown at people”

Villabriga had been standing on a bench filming the protests when she was hit by the flashball bullet. She describes a protest that was 100% peaceful, “there was no chaos at all. The use of force was totally disproportionate”. Villabriga suffered a triple fracture of her jaw, she has undergone one operation and a second operation is foreseen in the future to remove the metal pins. Commenting on Castaner’s denial of police brutality, Villabriga told the presenter:

This is absolute denial (from Castaner) which I find totally alarming to see that we are ignored while what happened to us is so terrible. Nobody has come to talk to us.” 

Watching the interviews, including one with Dominique Rodtchenki Pontonnier, a mother whose two sons were terribly injured by a GLIF4 grenade, one son losing three fingers in the blast – I was struck by the trauma and shock on the faces of the guests. At one point we are shown the film of the moment Pontonnier’s son is hit and is screaming that he has lost his hand. Boudinet is visibly shaken by the video, he explains that it brings back the memories of the moment he realised that he had been mutilated by the GLIF4 grenade fired by police into unarmed crowds of people that included children and families.

There is utter disbelief during the interview that France has been so rapidly reduced to a violent police state and that the trust between state and people has been so profoundly damaged. Another guest, Anaelle, a volunteer medic, describes the “profound lack of respect and complete rupture of dialogue” between state and people. All guests are horrified at the weapons being deployed to maintain “law and order”.


 Record of injuries from police use of disproportionate force against unarmed civilians during GJ protests. (Photo: Desarmons.net)

Meanwhile, Interior Minister, Castaner maintains that the use of the Flashball bullet is necessary because:

“..in the face of extreme violence we need the means to defend ourselves and the simple fact of having a uniform (presence) for a long time has prevented the violence because the people respect that. Now there are people who come to provoke, to attack and to aggress, even to kill. If we consider what happened on the Champs Elysee or at the Arc De Triomphe, according to statements I have studied, there is a desire to kill members of the security forces, therefore they need to be able to defend themselves” 


 The moment GJ spox, Jerome Rodrigues, is targeted first by a GLIF4 grenade before being hit in the eye by a LBD40 Flashball bullet. Acte XI, 26th January 2019. (Photo: Twitter)

Paris, 26th January 2019, the forces of “law and order” targeted one of the GJ’s most popular spokespeople, Jerome Rodrigues, while he was filming events during the GJ march. During Rodrigues’ live video we can hear him cautioning GJs to withdraw from the scene as elements of the Black Bloc have arrived. Rodrigues does not want the GJs to get caught up in the Black Bloc violence. As he continues filming we see the police forces advancing but not confronting the few members of the Black Bloc who are responsible for much of the looting and damage to shops and buildings during the weekly protests. Instead, the police appear to open fire on the retreating GJs including Rodrigues who is suddenly struck down.

The following video shows the moments after Rodrigues is targeted first by a GLIF4 grenade and then by a Flashball bullet to the eye (according to later testimony from Rodrigues from his hospital bed). WATCH:

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 Rodrigues is treated by the volunteer medics at the scene before being rushed to hospital. Two days after the incident, Rodrigues posted a live video to his Facebook page, from his hospital room. He calls for peace and calm, no knee-jerk reactions from the GJs and reinforces the message that a very small minority of Black Bloc or Casseurs are committing the random violent acts that are being weaponised by the state. He feels that he was deliberately targeted by the police and this had also been claimed by a number of eye witnesses to the attack. Rodrigues also reminds people that his mutilation is one of many and that he should not be singled out among the GJs who have suffered at the hands of the police. Rodrigues urges GJs back onto the streets for Acte XII, Saturday 2nd February. It remains to be seen where the escalation of violence will progress from here as popular support for the GJs grows across France.

Rodrigues’ poster for Acte XII reads “The powerful will stop dominating when the little people stop crawling”

Weapons used to “Maintain Law and Order” 


 Chart taken from the website of ACAT, an NGO arguing against increase in repressive laws in France, showing the weapons deployed by France during crowd control compared to other EU countries, November 2017. 

The above chart shows the weapons used by French security forces against unruly crowds compared to those used by other EU police forces. There is a clear recommendation of steps and maintenance of proportionate force which is outlined in the national police instruction chart, below. Journalist, David Dufresnes, has clarified that the LBD40 Flashball rubber bullets and the GLIF4 grenade “d’encerclement” are not used anywhere else in Europe because of the risks to human life involved.

The National Police in France should be following the recommendations shown in the infograph above. Step one: demand for the crowd to disperse followed by two clear announcements of the intention to use “force”. First level of force: firearms are strictly prohibited at this stage. Truncheons, water canon and hand thrown tear gas grenades. Level two of force: GLIF4 grenades and grenade launchers. Level three of force: if the police are met with violence. LBD40 Flashball bullets, grenade launchers firing non-metal projectiles and flashball bullets.

What we are seeing, from the footage that is being released, is the police bypassing the recommended steps and progressing almost immediately to the use of disproportionate force and the apparent deliberate targeting of unarmed protestors among the GJs. This is panic crowd control with horrifying consequences. More than 80,000 police are deployed to maintain order during the nationwide GJ marches every weekend. A mix of the BAC (Brigade Anti Criminalite) and the CRS (general reserve of the French national police) are the most prevalent security forces who police the marches.

Many appear not to have been properly trained in the use of the weapons provided to them. The LBD40 Flashball bullet should never be fired at head height, for example, yet we consistently see police officers standing and firing from the shoulder into crowds of Gilets Jaunes. On the saturday that Rodrigues was targeted, I took screenshots from the Ruptly TV live video coverage of the Paris marches which clearly show one police officer pointing a target out to another officer who fires the weapon at head height ten seconds later. The velocity of the Flashball bullet is ten times that of a paintball, its capacity to mutilate at close quarters has been proven by the horrifying injuries circulating on social media.

A recent article in the media outlet, Liberation, has revealed that a police report highlighted the risks of using the GLIF4 grenade for crowd control but the grenade is still being used by police in France. The GLIF4 contains 25g of TNT explosive, emits 165 decibels upon explosion which has permanently deafened one protestor and has caused inner ear problems for others. The GLIF4 can contain CS gas in powder form or 10g rubber pellets, lethal at close quarters with potential to tear into limbs and shred hands.

This report was picked up by journalist, David Dufresne, who highlighted the following paragraph:

Liberation had access to a Police scientific laboratory report carried out on this wound ( and submitted to the enquiry) before the Gilets Jaunes movement. The report concludes that the high risk of the (GLIF4) grenade has been underestimated by French authorities and the manufacturer. The Interior Minister (Christophe Castaner) still chose to use the grenades until “stocks were exhausted” without specifying the number of grenades remaining in stock. 

The cavalier manner in which Castaner has put the lives of French civilians at risk must be considered reckless at best, criminally negligent at worst.

The following video is a compilation of just a few of the police infractions and violent responses to the GJ protests across France. WATCH:

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 Conclusion – Chaos Strategy Unleashed? 


 Alexandre Langlois, police violence and the Gilets Jaunes. 

Alexandre Langlois, General Secretary of the Police Syndicate, VIGI, has accused Macron’s government of stoking confrontation and of favouring repression over dialogue. In a series of public interviews, Langlois blames the hierarchy within the Interior Ministry for the “manipulation” of the police forces already hugely under pressure and experiencing a climbing suicide rate since Macron’s rise to power in France. According to Langlois, the “hierarchy” direct the police working during the marches from remote control centers which disable the police’s ability to analyse events on the ground and avoid dangerous confrontation or provocation. Langlois demonstrates that this system has led to situations that have increased pressure on both the police and the GJs.

Langlois warns that Police are being forced to work blind. The state is pushing for confrontation and it is not avoiding repressive measures that will only increase the chances of violence not reduce them. Langlois laments the 75 suicides of police officers since Macron was elected, 17 since Castaner took over from Collomb who resigned after pressure from Langlois and his syndicate to address the issue of high suicide rates among the national police forces – “we called for the resignation of Collomb, now Castaner should go” .

The dismantlement of the “renseignments generaux” (RG – police intelligence branch) under Sarkozy in 2008 has contributed to the problems in 2019 according to Langlois. Langlois believes the RG would have developed relationships with GJ organisers and worked with them to ensure peaceful demonstrations. The police have been deliberately distanced from the people in order to enable the violence we are seeing since the 1st December 2018. Langlois stresses that many of the Police sympathise with the GJs but that the government is pushing the police to oppose the GJs which can only lead to catastophic consequences if allowed to continue.

Effectively the Gilets Jaunes have exposed Macron and his government for what it is. Macron is the President who was elected by the globalists, the capitalists and the ruling elite to protect their interests. A book recently published, authored by Francois-Xavier Bourmand, entitled “Emmanuel Macron the Banker who would be King” has investigated the corporatocracy who ensured Macron’s election win in order to expand their interests globally and to convert France from Republic into Plutocracy at the expense of the “dispensables”, the “little people”.

During one confrontation with a citizen at one of the Grand Debates, Macron is asked why he has failed to fulfill his pre-election promise of “no more SDF (homeless) on the streets of France – 580 SDF died on the streets of France in 2018. Rather than show compassion for the poverty-stricken and homeless, Macron defends his policies with accountant-speak, informing the audience that the elite must be protected in order to provide jobs for the “poor”.

If indeed Macron’s coterie in government are pushing for confrontation between the people and the security forces and introducing increasingly repressive measures to up the pressure on the protestors rather than trying to defuse matters, it is really ten minutes before midnight in France. The insanity of Macron supporting the “uprising” in Venezuela while sanctioning vicious reprisals against his own people at home is glaringly obvious to all but Macron and his backers. That is because Macron is doing his job and his job is to manufacture the conditions in which the privileged, wealthy ruling elite can thrive and further their globalist ambitions which includes military adventurism and resource theft from target nations that include Venezuela and Syria.

Violence will escalate in France because it is state-sanctioned. Unless the police wake up to their manipulation by the state and join forces with the GJs there is a risk of a serious confrontation in the very near future. However, as historian Diana Johstone has said: “for all the lamented decline in the school system, the French people today are as well-educated and reasonable as any population can be expected to be. If they are incapable of democracy, then democracy is impossible.”. There is still hope that the wave of discontent generated by the GJs may still bring down the globalist power structure and replace it with something more allied to the principles of the Republic of France.

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Vanessa Beeley is an independent journalist, peace activist, photographer and associate editor at 21st Century Wire. Vanessa was a finalist for one of the most prestigious journalism awards – the 2017 Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism – whose winners have included the likes of Robert Parry in 2017, Patrick Cockburn, Robert Fisk, Nick Davies and the Bureau for Investigative Journalism team. Please support her work at her Patreon account.

Title: Re: 🍟 GILETS JAUNES: Civilians in Police Crosshairs as Macron Adopts Totalitarian
Post by: Surly1 on February 02, 2019, 03:16:57 AM
Fascism is alive and well and living in France.

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GILETS JAUNES: Civilians in Police Crosshairs as Macron Adopts Totalitarian State-Practices to Suppress Dissent

Unfortunately, we've seen this movie before.

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: AJ on February 02, 2019, 05:06:52 AM
Great article. You never see a word about this in the USofA MSM. This reporting has truly changed my opinion of Macron. MSM portray him as a nice guy (compared to Trump almost anyone is :icon_scratch:) who it just so refined and FRENCH. He is just a banker for the wealthy trying to supress the little people of France. Time to bring out the guillotine Robespierre? :evil4:
AJ
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on February 02, 2019, 07:09:13 AM
Great article. You never see a word about this in the USofA MSM. This reporting has truly changed my opinion of Macron. MSM portray him as a nice guy (compared to Trump almost anyone is :icon_scratch:) who it just so refined and FRENCH. He is just a banker for the wealthy trying to supress the little people of France.
AJ

The fact that you don't see this here just reflects the real ownership of corporate media, including the so-called and much ballyhooed "liberal media." Anyone paying attention made Macron for what he is from his campaign forward: a former investment banker who slashed housing benefits, and hiked taxes on French pensioners.

Macron was hailed as a centrist, and a bulwark against extremes, but cuts taxes for the wealthy, attacks workers’ rights and demonizes refugees. And now we see the blood on his hands. He represents a doubling=down on austerity and the corrupt and discredited economic policies.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on February 02, 2019, 08:30:21 AM
Except France is controlled by the socialists already. Oops.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on February 02, 2019, 08:52:41 AM
Except France is controlled by the socialists already. Oops.

Fascists often wear the Socialist cloak as a disguise.  The Nazis after all called themselves "National Socialists".

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on February 02, 2019, 09:00:04 AM
Which I already mentioned in some post or other several weeks back, in reference to the coming pendulum swing toward socialism  in America.

Which gets back to another point of contention.

It isn't the the name of the party that matters. It's the benevolence (or lack thereof) of the leaders that really matters.

I'd be happier with a benevolent monarch than some nest of lying communists who only pretend to be for the people.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on February 02, 2019, 11:23:14 AM
Except France is controlled by the socialists already. Oops.

To assert that Macron is anything but an enforcer for the bankster class is to misread everything put before you. I don't get it.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: AJ on February 02, 2019, 02:59:01 PM
Except France is controlled by the socialists already. Oops.

To assert that Macron is anything but an enforcer for the bankster class is to misread everything put before you. I don't get it.
I think Macron fooled us (me) because we were not really paying attention to French politics AND when he appears next to Trumpsky he looks particularly cool, rational, reasonable and SANE. In the French election the MSM in this country portrayed him as the reasonable alternative to Marine La Pen and better than the guy the establishment wanted who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar (or was it his wife?).
AJ
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on February 02, 2019, 03:10:51 PM
Except France is controlled by the socialists already. Oops.

To assert that Macron is anything but an enforcer for the bankster class is to misread everything put before you. I don't get it.
I think Macron fooled us (me) because we were not really paying attention to French politics AND when he appears next to Trumpsky he looks particularly cool, rational, reasonable and SANE. In the French election the MSM in this country portrayed him as the reasonable alternative to Marine La Pen and better than the guy the establishment wanted who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar (or was it his wife?).
AJ

Quite true. And most Americans don't pay adequate attention to our own politics.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on February 02, 2019, 05:32:51 PM
Except France is controlled by the socialists already. Oops.

To assert that Macron is anything but an enforcer for the bankster class is to misread everything put before you. I don't get it.

As you've noted reader mileage often varies.  All of us have a hobby horse or two and when we get-a-riding it can be hard to figure what's bouncing around the noggin.  Eddie gets a-riding his petite bourgeois hobby horse and eyes glaze over at the affronts to all the beleaguered forlorn and unappreciated hard working soldiers of progress living in his utopia who but for the stupidity of everyone else and freeloaders, would be kings, their heroic journeys rewarded with riches beyond dream.

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Whoa horsie and yeah baby.  We see what we want.  A buzzzzzz is in the air.  To some the picture below is a happy picture.  A carnival!  All it needs is cotton candy and beer.  Ride Sally ride n' 

P-o-w-a-h  t-o  d-e-e  P-e-e-p-h-i-l-l,   p-o-w-a-h  t-o  d-e-e  P-e-e-p-h-i-l-l  c-o-m-e  o-n !


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To others those men are joints on the index finger in a crowd which like a clenched fist with one finger pointing up says fuck you.

Children of the revolution were eaten by the revolution and then came Bonaparte.  But if it fits your narrative a few years more than two hundred years ago can be more significant than everything in between.  Go-fer-it.  Express thy nature.  This is truly what living in a free country really means.  We are free to believe shit.  That is the way it goes.  We all feed our narratives and we try not to change hoping our desert hides wells so we don't have to shift out of lazy too long.  Human nature is what it is.  Too much change and the average man goes through an existential crisis and does not know who he is.

And if we should feel the pain do we really want fair?  Can we wrap our heads around what fair would really mean in the world?  I don't think the human derangement called normal could handle it for half a second.  Madness would blossom and everywhere everyone would passionately be seeking relief from the naked truth of it.  If we are honest the answer is absolutely not.  We don't want fair.  Not enough stuff to go around that way.  Life is only good if you are living on the surplus of others.  A harvest of pain.  To some this is a religion and they become insufferable with a zeal that won't consider anything else.  As a last resort they believe in miracles and have to tell you about it.

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on February 02, 2019, 06:15:55 PM
Except France is controlled by the socialists already. Oops.

To assert that Macron is anything but an enforcer for the bankster class is to misread everything put before you. I don't get it.

You don't get that when America goes socialist that they will also do the bidding of the bankster class? No. I didn't think you did, which was why I said that.

I'm convinced that the central bankers smacked down bitcoin two weeks ago because the yellow vests were taking their cash out of the banks and buying cryptos. What's going on in France now is more serious than Occupy, I think. I've been watching lots of videos for the last week showing the brutal police suppression of the protesters. I'm not in support of that.

The pie is shrinking and only the real wealthy are happy with the status quo. Massive immigration has damn near destabilized society in Europe, and the socialist dream of something for everyone is coming up way short. Bank runs are serious business.

Macron was a socialist party politician until 2009, when he went independent. He was in Valis's cabinet before Hollande, and Valis was a socialist.

My point is simple. France is a social democracy several clicks to the left of the US, and that isn't  working out that much better than our own right-wing dominated polity. France is fucked. It's the same problem in the UK. 
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on February 02, 2019, 06:32:13 PM
Except France is controlled by the socialists already. Oops.

To assert that Macron is anything but an enforcer for the bankster class is to misread everything put before you. I don't get it.

As you've noted reader mileage often varies.  All of us have a hobby horse or two and when we get-a-riding it can be hard to figure what's bouncing around the noggin.  Eddie gets a-riding his petite bourgeois hobby horse and eyes glaze over at the affronts to all the beleaguered forlorn and unappreciated hard working soldiers of progress living in his utopia who but for the stupidity of everyone else and freeloaders, would be kings, their heroic journeys rewarded with riches beyond dream.

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/c6/1b/3e/c61b3e3dfc7ee6c4aec5cf5288e66a50.jpg)

Whoa horsie and yeah baby.  We see what we want.  A buzzzzzz is in the air.  To some the picture below is a happy picture.  A carnival!  All it needs is cotton candy and beer.  Ride Sally ride n' 

P-o-w-a-h  t-o  d-e-e  P-e-e-p-h-i-l-l,   p-o-w-a-h  t-o  d-e-e  P-e-e-p-h-i-l-l  c-o-m-e  o-n !


(https://i1.wp.com/zizek.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/How-Mao-would-have-evaluated-the-Yellow-Vests.jpg?w=980&ssl=1)

To others those men are joints on the index finger in a crowd which like a clenched fist with one finger pointing up says fuck you.

Children of the revolution were eaten by the revolution and then came Bonaparte.  But if it fits your narrative a few years more than two hundred years ago can be more significant than everything in between.  Go-fer-it.  Express thy nature.  This is truly what living in a free country really means.  We are free to believe shit.  That is the way it goes.  We all feed our narratives and we try not to change hoping our desert hides wells so we don't have to shift out of lazy too long.  Human nature is what it is.  Too much change and the average man goes through an existential crisis and does not know who he is.

And if we should feel the pain do we really want fair?  Can we wrap our heads around what fair would really mean in the world?  I don't think the human derangement called normal could handle it for half a second.  Madness would blossom and everywhere everyone would passionately be seeking relief from the naked truth of it.  If we are honest the answer is absolutely not.  We don't want fair.  Not enough stuff to go around that way.  Life is only good if you are living on the surplus of others.  A harvest of pain.  To some this is a religion and they become insufferable with a zeal that won't consider anything else.  As a last resort they believe in miracles and have to tell you about it.

Fuck you buddy.

I pay way more taxes than I should and I don't like it, and if I want to bitch about it... I will.  It's about all I can do, since the average forum participant here can't tell the difference between earned income and the tax preferred passive rentier income of the real rich, and thinks "middle class" in America means $53K for a family of four.

Are you people retarded?

Take your hobby horse and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on February 03, 2019, 03:52:51 AM
Except France is controlled by the socialists already. Oops.

To assert that Macron is anything but an enforcer for the bankster class is to misread everything put before you. I don't get it.

You don't get that when America goes socialist that they will also do the bidding of the bankster class? No. I didn't think you did, which was why I said that.

I'm convinced that the central bankers smacked down bitcoin two weeks ago because the yellow vests were taking their cash out of the banks and buying cryptos. What's going on in France now is more serious than Occupy, I think. I've been watching lots of videos for the last week showing the brutal police suppression of the protesters. I'm not in support of that.

The pie is shrinking and only the real wealthy are happy with the status quo. Massive immigration has damn near destabilized society in Europe, and the socialist dream of something for everyone is coming up way short. Bank runs are serious business.

Macron was a socialist party politician until 2009, when he went independent. He was in Valis's cabinet before Hollande, and Valis was a socialist.

My point is simple. France is a social democracy several clicks to the left of the US, and that isn't  working out that much better than our own right-wing dominated polity. France is fucked. It's the same problem in the UK.

I agree with you that the Gilles Jaunes movement is "more serious" than Occupy, because it is more sustained and more protracted, and has made the instrumentalities of the state reveal themselves in a way that the November 2011 mass evictions of Occupy camps never did.

As to this familiar trope:
Quote
...the socialist dream of something for everyone is coming up way short.

Let's be clear: it's not about "something for everyone" or "something for nothing" so much as it is the reallocation of resources and the clawback of these inane tax cut giveaways. For example, "we can't afford it" is the standard, off-the-shelf bleat of the apparatchiks of the ruling class whenever things like universal health care is discussed. That is true, the way the pie is cut up now. (All based on Nixon's gift to Henry Kaiser.) Congressional Republicans yammered that a universal health-care plan by Sen. Bernie Sanders would cost the federal government $33 trillion by 2031, thus proving Democrats have moved too far left. During the same period, we'll have spend $50T on the current system. Little wonder the status quo players like their nice little cutout.

there's plenty of money. We just need to spend it differently.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: AJ on February 03, 2019, 05:35:46 AM

And if we should feel the pain do we really want fair?  Can we wrap our heads around what fair would really mean in the world?  I don't think the human derangement called normal could handle it for half a second.  Madness would blossom and everywhere everyone would passionately be seeking relief from the naked truth of it.  If we are honest the answer is absolutely not.  We don't want fair.  Not enough stuff to go around that way.  Life is only good if you are living on the surplus of others.  A harvest of pain.  To some this is a religion and they become insufferable with a zeal that won't consider anything else.  As a last resort they believe in miracles and have to tell you about it.

Personalities aside (boy there is a lot of bickering on this site :icon_scratch:)
K-Dog hits the guts of it right here. Collapse, especially if it is slow, will result in most of us in the US learning to live with nothing near what we had before. Any equitable distribution of the world's remaining resources would reduce the Empire we have amassed to next to nothing since we are living on the excess energy of eons ago and the surplus labor of others.  I figure either slow or fast collapse and there will be a lot of suicides as the harvest of that pain. And as an additional benefit probably a way lot more murders about stuff (especially food).
AJ
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on February 03, 2019, 08:07:07 AM
there's plenty of money. We just need to spend it differently.

Of course there's plenty of money. Taxes are already onerous, and they're about to go off the charts as the new wave of socialism spends more on top of what we're already wasting. I haven't seen any evidence that any political party, left or right, has any plan other than priting money and setting it on fire.

Debt service and the military together is a third of all revenue. When the socialist dismantle the perpetual war machine, I'll march down Pennsylvania Avenue singing about Joe Hill and carrying a red flag.

Same promise if they pass a wealth tax on billionaires. It sounds great, but a snowball in hell has a better chance.

It won't happen. The currency is just going to get debauched a little further, and taxes will go up on the same damn class of people who pay the freight now. And Americans will continue to be delusional thinkers who think 2 people working, making 25K apiece makes them "middle class" , even though that puts them in a 12% tax bracket, 2 points above what people in "poverty" pay.

My marginal rate is more than 3 times that. But the real rich buy bonds and offshore their money and pay zilch..

You all worry too much about the poor. 44% of American working people pay NO NET FEDERAL INCOME TAX. That is a huge break for the poor. The poor might not have all the opportunities in the world, but they aren't overtaxed.

The real problem here is not that the US government screws the poor...the problem is that they subsidize the real rich.

What is being ascribed here to me "getting on my hobby horse" is just the real crux of the problem, explained. You can get it or not get it, and you can think I'm an asshole, but I'm speaking the truth here, and I'm sick and tired of being called a rich crybaby. That's bullshit.

If BAU persists and I don't drop dead, I'll end up rich eventually . I'm not rich now, but unlike most people, I understand how to get there, and I don't have any guilt around fucking other people out of their fair share. I never have done that, and none of my strategies involve predatory economics.. I'm not Mitt Romney or Eddie Lampert.

And best of all, my crypto investments are allowing me to remove my financial support from the big banks, which is really sweet. i kind of like this crypto-anarchy thing. It might have legs.

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on February 03, 2019, 08:44:14 AM
Personalities aside (boy there is a lot of bickering on this site :icon_scratch:)

File this under "boys will be boys" and "they are just roughhousing".  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on February 03, 2019, 08:53:14 AM
Personalities aside (boy there is a lot of bickering on this site :icon_scratch:)

File this under "boys will be boys" and "they are just roughhousing".  :icon_sunny:

RE

I just can't stomach whole-hearted  support for false narratives, especially ones that perpetuate the very problems they claim to be trying to address.

I have to say something. To wink and nod and pretend to support a POV I know to be deeply flawed, is just not something I can do anymore.. I might not change anybody's mind, but as long as I have a voice here, I'll keep pointing out what I see as people's blind spots.
Title: 🍟 Who are the Yellow Vests and what they want. Gilets Jaunes, qui sont et..
Post by: RE on February 03, 2019, 08:55:56 AM
Howz your French?  Mine is rusty, but I got the jist of it in the vid.  :icon_sunny:

RE

http://www.defenddemocracy.press/document-who-are-the-yellow-vests-and-what-they-want-gilets-jaunes-qui-sont-et-qu-est-ce-qu-ils-veulent/ (http://www.defenddemocracy.press/document-who-are-the-yellow-vests-and-what-they-want-gilets-jaunes-qui-sont-et-qu-est-ce-qu-ils-veulent/)

Document: Who are the Yellow Vests and what they want. Gilets Jaunes, qui sont et qu’ est-ce qu’ ils veulent
02/02/2019

http://www.youtube.com/v/GB1-Sg4jt7Y

We publish below the French original version and then the English translation of the first document adopted on the 27th of January in Commercy, France by the “Assembly of the Assemblies of the Yellow Vests (Gilets Jaunes).
APPEL DE LA PREMIÈRE « ASSEMBLÉE DES ASSEMBLÉES » DES GILETS JAUNES

Nous, Gilets Jaunes des ronds-points, des parkings, des places, des assemblées, des manifs, nous sommes réunis ces 26 et 27 janvier 2019 en « Assemblée des assemblées », réunissant une centaine de délégations, répondant à l’appel des Gilets Jaunes de Commercy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB1-Sg4jt7Y&t=14s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB1-Sg4jt7Y&t=14s)).

Depuis le 17 novembre, du plus petit village, du monde rural à la plus grande ville, nous nous sommes soulevés contre cette société profondément violente, injuste et insupportable. Nous ne nous laisserons plus faire ! Nous nous révoltons contre la vie chère, la précarité et la misère. Nous voulons, pour nos proches, nos familles et nos enfants, vivre dans la dignité. 26 milliardaires possèdent autant que la moitié de l’humanité, c’est inacceptable. Partageons la richesse et pas la misère ! Finissons-en avec les inégalités sociales ! Nous exigeons l’augmentation immédiate des salaires, des minimas sociaux, des allocations et des pensions, le droit inconditionnel au logement et à la santé, à l’éducation, des services publics gratuits et pour tous.

C’est pour tous ces droits que nous occupons quotidiennement des ronds-points, que nous organisons des actions, des manifestations et que nous débattons partout. Avec nos gilets jaunes, nous reprenons la parole, nous qui ne l’avons jamais.

Et quelle est la réponse du gouvernement ? La répression, le mépris, le dénigrement. Des morts et des milliers de blessés, l’utilisation massive d’armes par tirs tendus qui mutilent, éborgnent, blessent et traumatisent. Plus de 1000 personnes ont été arbitrairement condamnées et emprisonnées. Et maintenant la nouvelle loi dite « anti-casseur » vise tout simplement à nous empêcher de manifester. Nous condamnons toutes les violences contre les manifestants qu’elles viennent des forces de l’ordre ou des groupuscules violents. Rien de tout cela ne nous arrêtera ! Manifester est un droit fondamental. Fin de l’impunité pour les forces de l’ordre ! Amnistie pour toutes les victimes de la répression !

Et quelle entourloupe que ce grand débat national qui est en fait une campagne de communication du gouvernement, qui instrumentalise nos volontés de débattre et décider ! La vraie démocratie, nous la pratiquons dans nos assemblées, sur nos ronds-points, elle n’est ni sur les plateaux télé ni dans les pseudos tables rondes organisées par Macron.
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Après nous avoir insultés et traités de moins que rien, voilà maintenant qu’il nous présente comme une foule haineuse fascisante et xénophobe. Mais nous, nous sommes tout le contraire : ni raciste, ni sexiste, ni homophobe, nous sommes fiers d’être ensemble avec nos différences pour construire une société solidaire.

Nous sommes forts de la diversité de nos discussions, en ce moment même des centaines d’assemblées élaborent et proposent leurs propres revendications. Elles touchent à la démocratie réelle, à la justice sociale et fiscale, aux conditions de travail, à la justice écologique et climatique, à la fin des discriminations. Parmi les revendications et propositions stratégiques les plus débattues, nous trouvons : l’éradication de la misère sous toutes ses formes, la transformation des institutions (RIC, constituante, fin des privilèges des élus…), la transition écologique (précarité énergétique, pollutions industrielles…), l’égalité et la prise en compte de toutes et tous quelle que soit sa nationalité (personnes en situation de handicap, égalité hommes-femmes, fin de l’abandon des quartiers populaires, du monde rural et des outres-mers…).

Nous, Gilets Jaunes, invitons chacun avec ses moyens, à sa mesure, à nous rejoindre. Nous appelons à poursuivre les actes (acte 12 contre les violences policières devant les commissariats, actes 13, 14…), à continuer les occupations des ronds-points et le blocage de l’économie, à construire une grève massive et reconductible à partir du 5 février. Nous appelons à former des comités sur les lieux de travail, d’études et partout ailleurs pour que cette grève puisse être construite à la base par les grévistes eux-mêmes. Prenons nos affaires en main ! Ne restez pas seuls, rejoignez-nous !

Organisons-nous de façon démocratique, autonome et indépendante ! Cette assemblée des assemblées est une étape importante qui nous permet de discuter de nos revendications et de nos moyens d’actions. Fédérons-nous pour transformer la société !

Nous proposons à l’ensemble des Gilets Jaunes de faire circuler cet appel.  Si, en tant que groupe gilets jaunes, il vous convient, envoyez votre signature à Commercy ( assembleedesassemblees@gmail.com). N’hésitez pas à discuter et formuler des propositions pour les prochaines « Assemblées des assemblées », que nous préparons d’ores et déjà.

Macron Démission ! Vive le pouvoir au peuple, pour le peuple et par le peuple.

Appel proposé par l’Assemblée des Assemblées de Commercy. Il sera ensuite proposé pour adoption dans chacune des assemblées locales.

Translated from French by Prof. William Mallinson
CALL FOR THE FIRST “ASSEMBLY OF THE ASSEMBLIES” OF THE YELLOW VESTS

We, the Yellow Vests of roundabouts,  car parks, squares, assemblies and demonstrations, have  gathered this 26 and 27 January 2019 in an ‘assembly of the assemblies’, uniting a hundred delegations, responding to the Call Of The Yellow Vests of Commercy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB1-Sg4jt7Y&t=14s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB1-Sg4jt7Y&t=14s)).
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Since 17 November, from the smallest village, from the rural world to the largest city, we have risen up against this deeply violent, unjust and unbearable society. We won’t let it happen again! We revolt against high cost of living, insecurity and poverty. We want our loved ones, our families and our children to live in dignity. 26 billionaires own as much as half of humanity. That is unacceptable. Let us share the wealth, and not poverty! Let us put an end to social inequality! We demand the immediate increase in salaries, welfare benefits, allowances and pensions, and the unconditional right to housing and health, education, free public services, for all

It is for all these rights that we occupy roundabouts every day, that we organise actions and demonstrations, and that we debate everywhere. With our yellow vests, we are taking the floor, we who never have it.

And what is the government’s response? Repression, contempt, denigration; deaths and thousands of wounded, the massive use of firearms that mutilate, blind, injure and traumatise. More than 1,000 people have been arbitrarily sentenced and imprisoned. And now the new so-called “anti-hooligan” law aims simply to prevent us from demonstrating. We condemn all violence against demonstrators, whether it comes from the forces of law and order or from violent groups. None of this will stop us! Protesting is a fundamental right. End the impunity of the forces of law and order. Declare an amnesty for all victims of repression!

And what a dirty trick this great national debate is, which is in fact a government public relations campaign, which exploitsour will to debate and decide! We practice true democracy in our assemblies and on our roundabouts, not on the TV or at the pseudo- round tables organised by Macron.

After insulting us and treating us to less than nothing, he is now presenting us as a Fascist and xenophobic hate mob. But we are quite the opposite: neither racist, nor sexist, nor homophobic, we are proud to be together, with our differences, to build a supportive society.
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We are strong in the diversity of our discussions; at this very moment hundreds of assemblies are elaborating and proposing their own demands. They concern real democracy, social and fiscal justice, working conditions, environmental and climate justice, and the end of discrimination. Among the most debated strategic demands and proposals, we find: the eradication of poverty in all its forms, the transformation of institutions (referenda, end of the privileges of elected officials…), ecological transition (fuel poverty, industrial pollution…), equality and the inclusion of all people regardless of their nationality (the disabled, equality between men and women, an end to the abandonment of working-class neighbourhoods, the rural world and the overseas territories)…).

We, Yellow Vests, invite everyone, according to his means and capacities, to join us. We call for laws to be respected and executed (12 against police violence in police stations, Act 13, 14…), the continuation of the occupation of roundabouts and the blockade of the economy, a massive strike and repeating from 5 February. We call for the formation of committees in the workplace, in educational institutions, and everywhere else, so that this strike can be built from the bottom up by the strikers themselves. Let’s get matters in hand! Don’t be alone, join us!

Let us organise ourselves democratically, autonomously and independently! This assembly of assemblies is an important step that allows us to discuss our demands and our means of action. Let us unite to transform society!

We propose that all Yellow Vests circulate this call. If, as a group, you agree, send your signature to Commercy (assembleedesassemblees@gmail.com). Do not hesitate to discuss and formulate proposals for the next “Assembly of the Assemblies”, which we are already preparing.

Macron must resign! Long live the power of the people, for the people and by the people!

Call proposed by the Assembly of the Assemblies of Commercy.

It will then be proposed for adoption by each of the local assemblies.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on February 03, 2019, 09:01:54 AM
Personalities aside (boy there is a lot of bickering on this site :icon_scratch:)

File this under "boys will be boys" and "they are just roughhousing".  :icon_sunny:

RE

I just can't stomach whole-hearted  support for false narratives, especially ones that perpetuate the very problems they claim to be trying to address.

I have to say something. To wink and nod and pretend to support a POV I know to be deeply flawed, is just not something I can do anymore.. I might not change anybody's mind, but as long as I have a voice here, I'll keep pointing out what I see as people's blind spots.

Never quit, never say die, that is my Motto.  I will keep on going until the Grim Reaper makes his final call here at my front door in Palmer, AK.  We had another meeting this morning, and I won the battle again, but not without cost.  I hope you do the same from your POV, although it is deeply flawed.

(https://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-when-the-going-gets-weird-the-weird-turn-pro-hunter-s-thompson-184502.jpg)

RE
Title: Call for the First “Assembly of the Assemblies” of the Yellow Vests
Post by: azozeo on February 04, 2019, 12:38:58 PM

We, the Yellow Vests of roundabouts,  car parks, squares, assemblies and demonstrations, have  gathered this 26 and 27 January 2019 in an ‘assembly of the assemblies’, uniting a hundred delegations, responding to the Call Of The Yellow Vests of Commercy (see this).

Since 17 November, from the smallest village, from the rural world to the largest city, we have risen up against this deeply violent, unjust and unbearable society. We won’t let it happen again! We revolt against high cost of living, insecurity and poverty. We want our loved ones, our families and our children to live in dignity. 26 billionaires own as much as half of humanity. That is unacceptable. Let us share the wealth, and not poverty! Let us put an end to social inequality! We demand the immediate increase in salaries, welfare benefits, allowances and pensions, and the unconditional right to housing and health, education, free public services, for all.


https://www.globalresearch.ca/call-for-the-first-assembly-of-the-assemblies-of-the-yellow-vests/5667323 (https://www.globalresearch.ca/call-for-the-first-assembly-of-the-assemblies-of-the-yellow-vests/5667323)
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: cernunnos5 on February 04, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
Yah. :icon_scratch: That needs more contemplation, evaluation... and this would be a good time to hear from the curmudgeons.

Cant believe I am saying that. I could use some edumication that involves self serving arguments  :coffee:

By the way, mad props to those sharing this. https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/venezuelas-collapse-is-a-window-into-how-the-oil-age-will-unravel-f80aadff7786 (https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/venezuelas-collapse-is-a-window-into-how-the-oil-age-will-unravel-f80aadff7786)

I'll be using it next episode of C5 defines the adapters movement.

MrsC5 also sent this to me for evaluation. Canadian Government, Oil industry security mercenary, collusion. https://www.eiseverywhere.com/ehome/347740/Program/?fbclid=IwAR2l3ypv6wvkxGT10c8ofgr3yy5hXijpGY2zVEdWndUWRetuGUCEXtAo7ZU (https://www.eiseverywhere.com/ehome/347740/Program/?fbclid=IwAR2l3ypv6wvkxGT10c8ofgr3yy5hXijpGY2zVEdWndUWRetuGUCEXtAo7ZU)
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: AJ on February 04, 2019, 03:56:44 PM
The article on Venezuela was both in depth and well reasoned. The collapse of Venezuela was both a product of U.S.of A medleing and corrupt, stupid governments both neo-liberal and socialist. Throw those two items into a complex oil market where Venezuela has not adequately maintained or upgraded its oil infrastructure AND most importantly has oil with a terrible EROEI, collapse of the system seems almost guaranteed. But of course it didn't help Chavez/Maduro that the U.S. is trying its utmost to collapse the country to STEAL the oil reserves for U.S. companies. But that evil is to be expected.  :evil4: Pity the poor people of Venezuela because now climate change is screwing them too.

Don't know what to make of the meeting between security and the Canadian gov, oil industry. It looks real scary as the conference has a major focus on ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISTS and how they may disrupt the industry (both from inside and outside). And how come the U.S. Dept of Homeland Security and the TSA are advising these people??

It will be interesting to see what C-5 says about all this.
AJ 
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on February 04, 2019, 04:32:26 PM
The Koch Bros own the tar sands. And Canadian politicians are whores too, not just US politicians.

I didn't read the linked piece. I'll read it now and see if either of those two things might be pertinent to the discussion. I'm guessing they both might be.
Title: Re: Call for the First “Assembly of the Assemblies” of the Yellow Vests
Post by: Eddie on February 04, 2019, 05:06:11 PM

We, the Yellow Vests of roundabouts,  car parks, squares, assemblies and demonstrations, have  gathered this 26 and 27 January 2019 in an ‘assembly of the assemblies’, uniting a hundred delegations, responding to the Call Of The Yellow Vests of Commercy (see this).

Since 17 November, from the smallest village, from the rural world to the largest city, we have risen up against this deeply violent, unjust and unbearable society. We won’t let it happen again! We revolt against high cost of living, insecurity and poverty. We want our loved ones, our families and our children to live in dignity. 26 billionaires own as much as half of humanity. That is unacceptable. Let us share the wealth, and not poverty! Let us put an end to social inequality! We demand the immediate increase in salaries, welfare benefits, allowances and pensions, and the unconditional right to housing and health, education, free public services, for all.


https://www.globalresearch.ca/call-for-the-first-assembly-of-the-assemblies-of-the-yellow-vests/5667323 (https://www.globalresearch.ca/call-for-the-first-assembly-of-the-assemblies-of-the-yellow-vests/5667323)

The ruling conservatives prior to Chavez in Venezuela were typical of the kind of local collaborators who make the colonial model of throwing people off the land and extracting whatever resources the "colony" has in pursuit of making guys back in the Empire rich. They were, and still are, more than willing to let the poor people starve while they live in their gated enclaves. If Maduro is outed, they return to power.

Maybe part of the problem is related to low EROEI oil, but more of it is related to just not giving a shit about the Indios who live in the jungle and the ghetto people the ruling elites employ as domestics. If there was enough to go around, they still wouldn't be willing to share it. Just sayin. Mexico is much the same, or was until very recently.

On the pipeline link, see my last comment, above.

I nailed it by telepathic means before I read a word........or, nothing ever changes, and human behavior is predictable.

Choose one.


Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on February 05, 2019, 12:29:35 AM
The article on Venezuela was both in depth and well reasoned. The collapse of Venezuela was both a product of U.S.of A medleing and corrupt, stupid governments both neo-liberal and socialist. Throw those two items into a complex oil market where Venezuela has not adequately maintained or upgraded its oil infrastructure AND most importantly has oil with a terrible EROEI, collapse of the system seems almost guaranteed. But of course it didn't help Chavez/Maduro that the U.S. is trying its utmost to collapse the country to STEAL the oil reserves for U.S. companies. But that evil is to be expected.  :evil4: Pity the poor people of Venezuela because now climate change is screwing them too.

Don't know what to make of the meeting between security and the Canadian gov, oil industry. It looks real scary as the conference has a major focus on ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISTS and how they may disrupt the industry (both from inside and outside). And how come the U.S. Dept of Homeland Security and the TSA are advising these people??

It will be interesting to see what C-5 says about all this.
AJ

How come the U.S. Dept of Homeland Security and the TSA are advising these people?

Is that a serious question?
Title: Re: Call for the First “Assembly of the Assemblies” of the Yellow Vests
Post by: K-Dog on February 05, 2019, 12:42:21 AM

We, the Yellow Vests of roundabouts,  car parks, squares, assemblies and demonstrations, have  gathered this 26 and 27 January 2019 in an ‘assembly of the assemblies’, uniting a hundred delegations, responding to the Call Of The Yellow Vests of Commercy (see this).

Since 17 November, from the smallest village, from the rural world to the largest city, we have risen up against this deeply violent, unjust and unbearable society. We won’t let it happen again! We revolt against high cost of living, insecurity and poverty. We want our loved ones, our families and our children to live in dignity. 26 billionaires own as much as half of humanity. That is unacceptable. Let us share the wealth, and not poverty! Let us put an end to social inequality! We demand the immediate increase in salaries, welfare benefits, allowances and pensions, and the unconditional right to housing and health, education, free public services, for all.


https://www.globalresearch.ca/call-for-the-first-assembly-of-the-assemblies-of-the-yellow-vests/5667323 (https://www.globalresearch.ca/call-for-the-first-assembly-of-the-assemblies-of-the-yellow-vests/5667323)

We revolt against high cost of living, insecurity and poverty.

And they figure we can all be billionaires how?

How many Earths are being consumed to keep this party going?  I don't know but its at least one more Earth than we have.


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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: AJ on February 05, 2019, 05:13:53 AM
The article on Venezuela was both in depth and well reasoned. The collapse of Venezuela was both a product of U.S.of A medleing and corrupt, stupid governments both neo-liberal and socialist. Throw those two items into a complex oil market where Venezuela has not adequately maintained or upgraded its oil infrastructure AND most importantly has oil with a terrible EROEI, collapse of the system seems almost guaranteed. But of course it didn't help Chavez/Maduro that the U.S. is trying its utmost to collapse the country to STEAL the oil reserves for U.S. companies. But that evil is to be expected.  :evil4: Pity the poor people of Venezuela because now climate change is screwing them too.

Don't know what to make of the meeting between security and the Canadian gov, oil industry. It looks real scary as the conference has a major focus on ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISTS and how they may disrupt the industry (both from inside and outside). And how come the U.S. Dept of Homeland Security and the TSA are advising these people??

It will be interesting to see what C-5 says about all this.
AJ

How come the U.S. Dept of Homeland Security and the TSA are advising these people?

Is that a serious question?
Yeah, kinda :laugh:
Aren't most Canadians offended by the concept that they are just our colony to the north? Isn't that what the USA government being involved in this implies. Why aren't their howls of protest from Canadians? (just rhetorical questions really ;)). Canadian citizens and USA citizens are just pawns in the global capitalist adventure. Hence the hegemony of this conference does really make sense. AND it is scary that it is so blatant.
AJ
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Nearingsfault on February 05, 2019, 05:57:56 AM
The article on Venezuela was both in depth and well reasoned. The collapse of Venezuela was both a product of U.S.of A medleing and corrupt, stupid governments both neo-liberal and socialist. Throw those two items into a complex oil market where Venezuela has not adequately maintained or upgraded its oil infrastructure AND most importantly has oil with a terrible EROEI, collapse of the system seems almost guaranteed. But of course it didn't help Chavez/Maduro that the U.S. is trying its utmost to collapse the country to STEAL the oil reserves for U.S. companies. But that evil is to be expected.  :evil4: Pity the poor people of Venezuela because now climate change is screwing them too.

Don't know what to make of the meeting between security and the Canadian gov, oil industry. It looks real scary as the conference has a major focus on ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISTS and how they may disrupt the industry (both from inside and outside). And how come the U.S. Dept of Homeland Security and the TSA are advising these people??

It will be interesting to see what C-5 says about all this.
AJ

How come the U.S. Dept of Homeland Security and the TSA are advising these people?

Is that a serious question?
Yeah, kinda :laugh:
Aren't most Canadians offended by the concept that they are just our colony to the north? Isn't that what the USA government being involved in this implies. Why aren't their howls of protest from Canadians? (just rhetorical questions really ;)). Canadian citizens and USA citizens are just pawns in the global capitalist adventure. Hence the hegemony of this conference does really make sense. AND it is scary that it is so blatant.
AJ
oh we are it's just... Canadian protest. Passive aggressive and quiet. Weve built an export driven market and fostered closer ties for 40 years that makes for a US focused policy politically. Trump has been a wake up call. Dont get me wrong I understand he is a symptom of collapse not a force but generally he has REALLY pissed off my peers. . How its playing out In my immediate circle I have 3 couples choosing Mexico and Cuba over Florida. My mom is putting her Florida winter place on the market. I've made sure all my money is out of US investments and reach, and it is a regular dinner conversation when I'm out with friends in ways it never has been. If you were to quiz where younger people want to spend the winter in retirement the move is away from the Traditional spots of Florida and Arizona. I remember reading about Finland during the second world war squeezed between the nazi regime they disliked and the Russians who were actively trying to take them over by force. Adjust for time and location and that is the dilemma The US and China are playing empire games and we have to ride the waves... then there is the fact we are an oil exporting nation, we pump 3 times more then we use and that pays the Bill's for all the nicey nice bennies we all like so much...Myself included to be fair.
Best I got, cheers
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on February 05, 2019, 06:41:07 AM
Everyone in the western world has benefited and continues to benefit from abundant cheap oil. Not sure guilt is the appropriate response though. Almost anyone int the third world would gladly trade places, no questions asked.

Well stated Canadian POV. Thanks for weighing in.

Consider St. John or Virgin Gorda for the winter vacation...just not at the height of the season. Or Culebra, which is part of PR.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: cernunnos5 on February 05, 2019, 07:05:52 AM
Yes. I will be adding this quote into my next article in the bonus reads section.

"We have found ourselves screaming at CBC radio lately, at the last round of weapons of mass distraction propaganda. We have to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq, er... Libya, er... Ukraine, er.... Syria, er....., Nicaragua, er.... Hang on. Its on the tip of my tongue.... Venezuela. Then we can bring democracy and freedom to Cuba, Iran.... and the illegitimate, socialist dictatorship, Canada. Haven't you heard about the humanitarian crisis in Alberta. Oil sands workers are fleeing the Provence in fear for their lives. Those that remain are starving, forming gangs to scavenge the ruins for bits of food in the trash. Russia and China have been meddling in in their elections. The US and its allies recognize Rob Ford as the legitimate president of Canada after putting sanctions on maple syrup producers and marijuana drug cartels . All options are on the table and they are moving troops into Montana to.... bring in humanitarian aid and arm moderate rebels. Mr and MrsC5 are being held on an extradition request from the US for spreading Fake News."
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Surly1 on February 05, 2019, 09:26:27 AM
Yes. I will be adding this quote into my next article in the bonus reads section.

"We have found ourselves screaming at CBC radio lately, at the last round of weapons of mass distraction propaganda. We have to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq, er... Libya, er... Ukraine, er.... Syria, er....., Nicaragua, er.... Hang on. Its on the tip of my tongue.... Venezuela. Then we can bring democracy and freedom to Cuba, Iran.... and the illegitimate, socialist dictatorship, Canada. Haven't you heard about the humanitarian crisis in Alberta. Oil sands workers are fleeing the Provence in fear for their lives. Those that remain are starving, forming gangs to scavenge the ruins for bits of food in the trash. Russia and China have been meddling in in their elections. The US and its allies recognize Rob Ford as the legitimate president of Canada after putting sanctions on maple syrup producers and marijuana drug cartels . All options are on the table and they are moving troops into Montana to.... bring in humanitarian aid and arm moderate rebels. Mr and MrsC5 are being held on an extradition request from the US for spreading Fake News."

You'll want to read in on F. William Engdahl. I'm listening to a recent interview of his an he has the entire CIA/NGO color revolution wash-rinse-repeat nailed.
He may not be entirely right, but he ain't wrong.

William Engdahl: Are the French Protests a U.S. Color Revolution & is Trump the Real Deal? | (http://guadalajarageopolitics.com/2018/12/12/william-engdahl-are-the-french-protests-a-u-s-color-revolution-is-trump-the-real-deal-089/)
Posted on Dec 12, 2018 by Guadalajara Geopolitics Institute in Podcast


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     What happened in the 1980s, there was a whole series of congressional investigations, exposés, whistle blowers, et cetera, about the illegal activities of the CIA. Assassinations of people like Pinochet in Chile, the coup d’état against Mosaddegh in Iran, in Guatemala, Árbenz and so forth. As damage control, Reagan’s head of CIA, and Will Casey, proposed a privatization of this regime change machine instead of using CIA agents on the street in civilian clothes who can be discovered and then revealed as a government operation. He said, “Let’s do it through private NGOs, non-governmental organizations,” and then if they’re caught in some attempt in some country, we can always say, “Oh, that’s private. We can’t control what private foundations do. They want human rights, liberty, democracy.” You allow them to work in your country. We have no … Et cetera.

That was actually at the beginning of brilliant and very effective way to get rid of regimes that Washington didn’t like.
...the idea of Manifest Destiny and the book is really about how this machinery of fake democracy has been created. Fake human rights. NGOs like Open Society Foundation, the National Endowment for Democracy, which is US government, financed CIA controlled NGO, but it masquerades as a private freedom will have an enterprise...

 I’m convinced that the Yellow Vest movement is organic and real and this is what has Macron and his bankers, the bankers in Paris and Brussels and at first they didn’t … They thought it would go away. They tried, he tried to ignore it. He didn’t make any public statements and then people came in from the countryside, even Germany and go off into two or three hours drive to France and you see that the standard of living has deteriorated steadily over the past years, the past couple of decades, and people kind of live a great life. It used to be to go to France and so there was a lot of fear people were happy and enjoyed good food and wonderful wine and fellowship and friendship and that you don’t see. People that are struggling to pay the rent or to own a house to simply feed their family and the taxes go up and the benefits go down. It’s just horrendous....

It’s not about gasoline tax. It took on an organic dimension. People said we’re sick of the 1% destroying that 99% of the population. We’re sick of these policies. We want France back again. We don’t want France to be a suburb of Africa. We want to be France to be France with its own history, culture, pride and tradition and its own economy instead of this globalization nonsense. So I think that’s kind of what’s going on here. You see what I’ve seen videos of this. What Macron has ordered is that the French intelligence insert, provocateurs police, you even see in films, they go behind their van and start changing into civilian uniform and put on the yellow vest and then start throwing rocks to incite violence and so forth. And then the yellow vest discover this and they say, “Police, police. Look at that police agent, and they run away.

So to see this and of course, what the mainstream media films are scenes of violence and you think these are nothing but hooligans and an attic fire, the US terrorists and so forth they’re not … But this is genuine. And it’s got the powers to be freaked out I think. ...

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on February 05, 2019, 11:05:44 AM
Everyone in the western world has benefited and continues to benefit from abundant cheap oil. Not sure guilt is the appropriate response though. Almost anyone int the third world would gladly trade places, no questions asked.

Well stated Canadian POV. Thanks for weighing in.

Consider St. John or Virgin Gorda for the winter vacation...just not at the height of the season. Or Culebra, which is part of PR.

Guilt is not the correct response.  In fact it's inappropriate.  While it is true the C02 will only climb in both emission rate and concentration until the emission rate has to fall because it is all gone or we cook, guilt would only be appropriate if we were actively trying to suppress information and awareness about collapse.  Anybody here doing that?  Didn't think so.

About Homeland Security giving advice.  They are there to make sure that the key-chain vendors and bumper sticker sellers are set up right when protestors come to do their thing.  Can't have a good experience without infrastructure.  We would not want what happened at the Fyre festival (see below) at the the tar sands.  Cell phones need to be charged and local constabulary needs to have all the zip-tie handcuffs and fixens for when participants want the victim in hand-cuff experience.  Infrastructure is a big deal. Attendees from Hollywood will want the best.  Pipeline burger with fries and Kobe beef and Kale.

We live in a world of just in time everything.  Nothing is spontaneous, everything is is choreographed.  Homeland Security has the experience of Standing Rock and countless 'dog disciplines' and nobody can tell your people how to spray water on crowds in sub-zero weather better than our people.  You can bet the hosers are very proud of their skill.  In capitalism it is all about getting the gate numbers up don't you know!  Professional everything for those who get to play the game.  You think it is easy to discourage people with cold water in freezing temperatures without hurting them think again.  It is a skill.

I'm going to float a random thought.  Guilt may follow a Pareto distribution and evolved for social cohesion in hunter-gatherer times.  It makes us social but in 20% or less, guilt in is perhaps seen as an opportunity to exploit others and such people don't have guilt in a normal way.  They work for Homeland Security and sanction tyranny in modern times.  Heard about the tower of babble growing up they did and now they build skyscrapers.  Sociopaths may have evolved to keep guilt from becoming excessive because guilt needed a counter-force to keep it from becoming debilitating.


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Ja Rule's Fyre Festival Bahamas Drops the Hammer ... New Party Rules in Effect

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The Bahamas learned a hard lesson after Ja Rule's Fyre Festival crashed and burned ... and now the government is promising serious policy changes for future island events.

Sources at the Bahamas Ministry of Tourism tell TMZ the agency will be implementing a stricter vetting system for future festivals, and it will check in with organizers multiple times during the planning process.

We're told the only reason the Ministry didn't step in sooner with the Fyre Festival is because it didn't have the authority. It was a private event, so the government couldn't get involved until guests' safety became an issue.

As we first reported, the Fyre disaster could end up costing the island nation millions of dollars -- it's a bad look for a country that relies heavily on tourism. The MOT says organizers for Fyre have taken full responsibility, and going forward ... the Bahamas will take appropriate steps to protect its good name.

Also, not shockingly, we're told Ja and Billy McFarland have been barred from repeat business on the islands.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on February 05, 2019, 11:43:55 AM
Get the Disney people invoked.  Protest theme parks. 
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What did you do on your summer vacation?

I did the Protest at the tar sands.

How was it?

Great, I stayed at the rainbow warrior camp.  It is where all the gay people go but I got a timeshare at a really low price.  Everybody was really nice and nobody grabbed my junk.  I took the extended activist experience and learned all about when to be unruly and when to do exactly what police tell you to do.  It was a bonding experience for everyone. 

Don't miss the Derick Jensen ride if you go.

Resorts can ring the sands and there can be a different kinds of hotels to suit the political and ethnic persuasions of  guests.  Can't have too much bonding!  You have to leave hungry for more so you come back next year.
Title: 🍟 French frustrations with Macron boil over in angry debates
Post by: RE on February 27, 2019, 12:00:07 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47371901 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47371901)

French frustrations with Macron boil over in angry debates
By Jean Mackenzie BBC News, Northern France

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    France yellow vest protests

Media captionWill the French president's 'Grand Debate' defuse the yellow-vest protesters' rage?

Yellow-vest protests have rocked France for 15 weeks, and while the most dramatic scenes have been in Paris, much of the discontent has spread from the smaller towns in France, where people feel forgotten.

For the past month President Emmanuel Macron has toured the country, listening to local mayors and citizens as part of his grand débat - a big national debate.

He has also asked communities to come together and put forward their ideas for how to fix France.

One of those is Roubaix in France's north-east, where textile factories closed in the 1970s and almost one in three people is unemployed.


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Image caption Marc Dubrul, who compered the Roubaix debate, says there is little trust in the president

"The people here don't trust Macron, they don't like him", says local activist Marc Dubrul, who runs a supper club that is feeding 150 people.

He has taken on the duty of compering Roubaix's debate, and dozens gather to voice their frustrations on the cost of living, fuel taxes and politics.

"I've worked for 40 years. I've done everything, and I've achieved nothing," one man shouts out.
Image caption Many in Roubaix complain of not having enough money to live on

The shouts get louder.

"I'm worried about the growing inequalities, the growing injustices, in this country".
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    Will Macron's Grand Debate tackle yellow-vest crisis?

They continue like this for hours.

No-one has enough to live on - from the employed to the unemployed and retired - and people are angry about it.
How Macron aims to make the debates work

So far there have been more than 5,000 of these local gatherings held across France, with another 3,000 still to come.

During the meeting one of the town's residents sits quietly recording everything that is said.

This, and all the other debate minutes, will eventually be sent to the government to digest. But there is deep suspicion in Roubaix about the exercise.

"It's a lie," complains Mr Dubrul. "The president doesn't want to listen to the people, the yellow-vest movement isn't strong enough yet. We need more people on the streets".

    Story of the gilets jaunes
    Who are the 'gilets jaunes'?
    How much anti-Semitism is beneath the yellow vests?

A three-hour drive away is the small Normandy village where Mr Macron kicked off his grand débat - the aptly named Grand Bourgtheroulde.

He gathered 600 local mayors and listened for hours while they offloaded their grievances.
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Image caption President Macron, as here in Grand Bourgtheroulde, has spent hours at a time listening to grievances

That trip has ignited people here and for weeks they have been coming to write down their frustrations in notebooks placed in the town hall.

These grievance books have been left across France, and 10,000 have already been filled and sent to the government, adding to the pile of reading that awaits Mr Macron and his team at the end of this long listening exercise.
Will Macron respond?

In a cafe across the road from the town hall Fanny Niquet and Chantal Huger reflect on his decision to get off his "Parisian pedestal".

"He has been very arrogant from the start," says Fanny.
Image caption Fanny (L) and Chantal believe the tension is so high that there is a risk of a civil war

They talk about the struggle of looking after their grandchildren, so their children can make ends meet.

"He needs to raise the low wages, so that people can afford to live", she says.

And if he doesn't act?

"There will be a civil war," they both claim, "a revolution". "There is too much tension now, people are radicalised," says Chantal.
Anger at government's tax and spend

It is a wet and freezing evening in the hills of the Loire valley in western France.

Bakers, butchers and builders crowd into a small hall, for a debate aimed at local artisans who work in and around the town of Tours.

They are the French bourgeoisie, and this should be safe territory for Macron. At the entrance of the hall his picture hangs high on the wall.

They talk for hours and become increasingly frustrated. Taxes are "too high" and welfare payments "too generous".
Image caption Béatrice Villemade fears she will have to close down her hairdressing salon

"This country has a problem with equality; we've been forgotten," shouts one builder.

One of their grievances is the yellow-vest protests themselves that have taken over the streets outside their businesses, and mean that people have stopped passing their shops.

Béatrice Villemade runs a hairdressing salon and has had to close it a dozen times because of the protests.

"I've lost 30% of my income. If the protests don't stop soon, I'll have to close," she complains.

Restaurant owner Charles Fourcaulx says they feel increasingly trapped by the high number of taxes.
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Image caption Many of the yellow-vest protesters believe the Grand Debate is a waste of time

"We're left with the feeling that there's no future in France for people who want to start businesses," he says. "It's got to the point where I'm thinking of leaving France; taking my money elsewhere."

Grievances may differ, but there has been no avoiding the anger that runs deep across the country.

The grand débat is a long shot and will only work if Mr Macron truly listens to what has been said.

"This is no longer France," says one passer-by. "Now, we call it souffrance," using the French word for suffering.
Title: 🍟 French government rolls out new measures to repress Yellow Vest protests
Post by: RE on March 20, 2019, 08:08:18 AM
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/03/19/french-government-rolls-out-new-measures-to-repress-yellow-vest-protests/ (https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/03/19/french-government-rolls-out-new-measures-to-repress-yellow-vest-protests/)

French government rolls out new measures to repress Yellow Vest protests

http://www.youtube.com/v/6_7K1iWsSeo

HELP ENLIGHTEN YOUR FELLOWS. BE SURE TO PASS THIS ON. SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON IT.

ADDENDA
FRENCH (with topical translations):
Gilets jaunes acte 18 :

SANGLIER JAUNE
Published on 18 Mar 2019
Cet Acte 18 des gilets jaunes à Paris résonne comme un énorme avertissement. Le nombre de manifestants dans tout Paris et l’ambiance générale sont impressionnant. (This act 18 of the yellow vests in Paris thunders like a huge warning. The number of demonstrators throughout Paris and the general atmosphere are impressive.)

   See this video in “People’s Cinemascope”! Allez! It’s a different experience.  .

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BELOW: The quintessential Frenchman, the “Man  of the party with no party” explains in his own inmitable ways and gestures what’s really going on with his beloved Gilets Jaunes (he’s one of them, too, of course).

http://www.youtube.com/v/_-u4cqzKFHQ

http://www.youtube.com/v/gzPFxRYi9os

ABOVE: Paris – l’Acte 18 des Gilets jaunes, une banque est incendié black blocs (16/03/19) (On Act 18 by Gilets Jaunes a bank is burned down by the Black Bloc)
Title: 🍟 Yellow Vests act 18 - INTO THE STORM - Au coeur d’une révolution populaire
Post by: RE on March 22, 2019, 03:53:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/VnWkXobKggQ
Title: Re: 🍟 Yellow Vests act 18 - INTO THE STORM - Au coeur d’une révolution populaire
Post by: K-Dog on March 22, 2019, 07:33:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/VnWkXobKggQ

Awesome my friend!  I posted it at Chasing The Squirrel and linked it at Kunstler's blog after relating it to his topic today.  I'm getting the most traffic I've had in a long time there.  That's great because this video should be seen!
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on March 22, 2019, 07:51:36 AM
Now that is civil unrest.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on March 22, 2019, 09:12:21 AM
Now that is civil unrest.

The Frogs don't just know how to Cook in the Kitchen, they are Professional Chefs in a Street Protest.   :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: 🔥 French army receives authorization to shoot “yellow vest” protesters
Post by: RE on March 24, 2019, 01:39:23 AM
Getting perilously close to Civil War now...

RE

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/03/23/french-army-receives-authorization-to-shoot-yellow-vest-protesters/ (https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/03/23/french-army-receives-authorization-to-shoot-yellow-vest-protesters/)

French army receives authorization to shoot “yellow vest” protesters
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By Alex Lantier  • 23 March 2019. • Excerpts

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Operation Sentinel soldiers out to contain the Yellow Vests in 2019. The plutocracy begins to show its true colors.

Yesterday, the governor of the Paris military district told France Info that soldiers of the Operation Sentinel counter-terror mission had been authorized to fire today on the “yellow vests.” Asked about whether soldiers were capable of carrying out law enforcement duties, General Bruno Le Ray replied: “Our orders are sufficiently clear that we do not need to be worried at all. The soldiers’ rules of engagement will be fixed very rigorously.”

“They will have different means for action faced with all types of threats,” he continued. “That can go as far as opening fire.”

Le Ray added that soldiers will have the same rules of engagement for shooting protesters as those for gunning down terrorism suspects inside France: “They will deliver warnings. This has happened in the past, as in (attacks at) the Louvre or at Orly. They are perfectly able to assess the nature of the threat and to respond proportionally.”

These threats against a protest movement against social inequality that is largely peaceful must be taken as a warning by workers and youth not only in France but internationally. As mass protests and strikes erupting outside the control of the union bureaucracies spread across the world, the military and security agencies of the financial aristocracy are preparing to carry out ruthless repression. Even in countries like France with long bourgeois-democratic traditions, they are rapidly moving towards military-police dictatorship.

Since the imposition of a state of emergency suspending basic democratic rights after the 2015 Paris attacks, the army’s Operation Sentinel has sent squads of soldiers marching in France’s streets, wearing bulletproof vests and carrying assault rifles. The current crisis vindicates the WSWS’s longstanding warnings. In every country, the ruling class has used the “war on terror” as a pretext to reinforce state repression that is aimed above all at opposition in the working class.

Amid yesterday’s European Union summit in Brussels, French President Emmanuel Macron spoke to downplay the significance of sending the army against the “yellow vests.” The army is “in no way responsible for maintaining order and public order,” he claimed, mocking criticisms of his resort to the army as a “false debate” fueled by “those who play at scaring themselves and others.”

French Defense Minister Florence Parly followed Le Ray onto France Info and also trivialized the decision to send troops to police the protests. Without explicitly contradicting Le Ray’s report on the orders given to Operation Sentinel forces, she said: “The soldiers of the French army never fire on protesters. … All those who play around with fantasies, who speak about opening fire, are only sowing confusion.”

It is impossible to know in advance whether or how many lives will be lost during army operations against the “yellow vests” today. But the soporific and historically inaccurate statements of Macron and Parly are being openly contradicted by certain soldiers, who are violating military discipline to tell the media about their anger and concern at the orders they are receiving.

“We have no business interfering in this ‘yellow vest’ business,” one soldier anonymously told France Info. “We do not have the necessary equipment, we just have truncheons and little pepper spray bottles like what girls have in their purses. After that, the next thing we have is our assault rifles. … So, if we go up against too many protesters, unfortunately we will probably see fatalities.”

Another soldier stressed his anger at receiving orders from Macron to target the French people: “It is absurd, it’s arbitrary. We are not prepared for this. In technical terms, we fight military enemies. And the enemy cannot be the entire population, that is not possible. That is the situation they are trying to put soldiers in today.”

General Vincent Desportes, the former head of the War Academy, made clear his skepticism about claims from within the Macron government that riot police will always manage to get between protesters and the soldiers, to ensure that the latter do not fire on the former.

He said, “Until now the security forces have not shown themselves entirely capable of controlling large crowds of protesters. If violent protesters come into contact with the soldiers, there is a serious risk that blood will be spilt. … The last time soldiers were used for law enforcement was in Algeria, more than 50 years ago. As you well know, at that point blood was spent, a lot of blood was spent.”

The result of the last intervention of the army against workers on what is currently French soil, in the insurrectionary strikes of 1947-8 against the bourgeois Republic established by the Gaullists after World War II and the fall of European fascism, was a massacre. As 350,000 miners went on strike, the army occupied the mines with an authorization to fire on the strikers. The resulting clashes led to six dead, thousands of wounded, and the firing of 3,000 miners, a decision legally recognized as discriminatory in 2011.

In Algeria, the use of the army to torture and kill Algerians rising up against French colonialism, barely more than a decade after these same methods were used in France itself by the Nazis and the Nazi-collaborationist Vichy regime, left over 300,000 dead in the 1954-1962 war.

These historical events are a warning as to the implications of mobilizing the army against the working class. They vindicate the strategy proposed by the Parti de l’égalité socialiste (PES) amid the “yellow vest” movement. Amid widespread hostility of workers internationally against the union bureaucracies and established political parties, the PES called for building independent committees of action and stressed the necessity of transferring state power in France and across Europe to such organizations of the working class.

This also requires building the PES as the political alternative to the petty bourgeois political parties, rejected by a broad majority of “yellow vests.” These parties try to tie the workers to Macron by proposing to negotiate a democratization of society with him and the trade unions.

Many of these parties—including the French Communist Party, the New Anticapitalist Party, the Greens, Jean-Luc Mélenchon’s Unsubmissive France, and the Independent Democratic Workers Party—came together yesterday to issue a pathetic “united” appeal to Macron.

Criticizing “the government’s authoritarian excesses,” they begged Macron to cease ignoring them and negotiate more with them to try to calm the situation: “The sidelining of the social, ecological and trade union movements, contempt for those who speak truth to power, is a way of preventing all dialog, all positive outcomes to the crises of our time. … The calming of tensions we desire also requires the state power to respond concretely to the aspirations for social justice that are widely expressed in our country.”

But there is nothing to negotiate with Macron. By sending the army against the “yellow vests,” he is sending a clear signal that the financial aristocracy and the state authorities have no intention of realizing the social aspirations of the working class. They want to crush these aspirations, and if necessary to drown them in blood.

The current crisis exposes the utter bankruptcy of their strategy of tying the workers to capitalist politicians and the capitalist state. During the 2017 election, all these parties adapted themselves to the official propaganda presenting Macron as a lesser evil than neo-fascist candidate Marine Le Pen. Now that Macron has declared his admiration for fascist dictator Philippe Pétain and sent the army against the “yellow vests,” this propaganda is exposed as an utter fraud.

Faced with Macron’s historic threat against the workers, the turn is to the construction of independent organizations of the working class <> as their revolutionary vanguard.
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Title: 🔥 Spectacular Violence as a Weapon of War Against the Yellow Vests
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March 22, 2019
Spectacular Violence as a Weapon of War Against the Yellow Vests
by Gabriel Rockhill

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Violence is a spectacular weapon deployed by the ruling class to discredit movements from below and justify their repression. It is spectacular in the sense of being a great and powerful political tool for governing the masses, and keeping them in their place. In order to do this, however, the weapon of violence is spectacularin a second sense: it creates a carefully orchestrated mise en scène that seeks to render ruling class violence invisible, while simultaneously transforming acts of resistance into prodigious spectacles of criminal violence.

This is how Act 18 of the Yellow Vests is currently being presented by the mass media: at the precise moment at which the government was concluding its democratic consultation of the people via Emmanuel Macron’s “Grand Débat,” the Yellow Vests have unleashed an inordinate amount of violence that now needs to be repressed in the strongest possible terms. The president of the Champs-Elysées Committee, Jean-Noël Reinhardt, declared in an interview in which he is surrounded by the microphones of many of the major press outlets, that the movement is no longer one of the Yellow Vests, but rather of Black Vests that simply “express hatred and the will to destroy.” Proclaiming that this situation cannot be allowed to continue because of its impact on commercial and tourist activity, as well as its defamation of the global symbol of the Champs-Élysées, his statement bleeds seamlessly into the declaration made by the Prime Minster, Édouard Philippe: new measures will be put in place to prohibit protests in certain locations and allow for even more aggressive police crackdowns.

In this moment of the spectacularization of the damage caused to insured private property of the commercial and luxury industry, which is presented as the quintessence of “violence,” it is notable that the General Secretary of the Unsa police union, Philippe Capon, has publicly explained that the police received the order on Saturday to notintervene, because there was an explicit choice to “let a certain number of things be broken.” The timing could not be better because the government has its hands tied. After a few paltry concessions in December, as well as the discursive theatrics of the “Grand Débat,” the Yellow Vests have not gone home and have survived both the winter and the extreme forms of repressive state violence unleashed against them.

This current spectacle of violence thereby serves two purposes. First and foremost, it dissimulates the structural violence of capitalism and plutocratic oligarchy, which are the primary sources of the current uprisings. Living conditions for the masses are increasingly unacceptable, and the traditional system of party politics and unions is dysfunctional. One of the protest signs that goes to the heart of matters simply states: “Violence is poverty [La violence c’est la pauvreté].” Rather than taking seriously the ubiquitous and quotidian nature of thisviolence, which is the violence of capitalist inequality, spectacular “violence” is constructed precisely in order to distract from the daily destruction of life under capitalist rule. It is understood as a temporary and disturbing interruption of the status quo, which needs to be eradicated. It is the “violence” of burning a bank, rather than that of founding one, or more generally the violence of the banking system in its daily role of securing hegemony for the global ruling class.

Secondly, the spectacle of violence orchestrated by the state and mass media functions in order to attach the scarlet letter of V for Violence to the Yellow Vest movement in order to simultaneously criminalize it and justify its brutal repression. There have been numerous cases where the police have been caught on camera damaging property in order to blame it on protestors, and many officers have been photographed and filmed carrying hammers, presumably for this purpose. At least one member of the riot police has spoken out against the violence deployed against non-violent protestors, which has been encouraged by the Minister of the Interior, as well as against the effort to foment violence in the protests.

Elite circles in France have not been completely successful in this aspect of their propaganda campaign, because even liberal institutions like the United Nations, the European Council, the European Parliamentand Amnesty International have seen through their attempt to render state violence invisible, or at the very least justified. The Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights, Dunja Mijatović, prepared a memorandum on February 26ththat summarizes some of the violence, while also criticizing the lack of precision and rigor in the statistics being kept by the state and the media: “According to figures from the Ministry of the Interior 12 122 LBD rounds, 1 428 instant tear gas grenades and 4 942 hand-held sting grenades were fired or thrown between the beginning of the yellow vest movement and 4 February 2019.” Based on the calculations of an independent journalist cited in the report, there have been “38 wounds to upper limbs including 5 lost hands, 52 wounds to lower limbs, 3 wounds to the genitals and 189 head wounds including 20 people who have lost an eye.” Medics and journalists have been regularly attacked, and there have been numerous brutal assaults and a record number of protestors locked up.

Nevertheless, significant sectors of the state, the mass media and the punditocracy have gone to great lengths to cloak this systematic deployment of state violence against non-violent protestors, medics, journalists and bystanders. Emmanuel Macron has distilled the very essence of liberal ideology regarding the state by flatly proclaiming that we cannot speak of “repression” or of “police violence” in France today because “these words are unacceptable under the rule of law [dans un état de droit].” Strictly speaking, then, there can be no such thing as “state violence” because the state stands in opposition to violence, and the latter can only come from savage and anarchic forces outside it.

Here we see the double movement of spectacular violence in full force. On the one hand, the state strives to dissimulate its spectacular exploitation through capitalist rule and its equally spectacular repression of any resistance to it. On the other hand, it seeks to incite or create spectacular “violence” in the protests in order to simultaneously discredit them and use this spectacle as cover for its own increased exploitation and repression. These are the two primary aspects of the spectacular violence unfolding in France right now.

It is imperative to identify this tactic for what it is, and to find new strategies for struggling against its extremely pernicious effects. Otherwise, we risk succumbing to the ideological inversion diagnosed so presciently by Malcolm X in a lecture given on December 13, 1964, in which he explained that the press is so powerful in its “image-making role” that “it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s a criminal.”

This article was collectively workshopped in the Radical Education Department.
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Yellow Vest Movement Struggles to Reinvent Democracy as Macron Cranks Up Propaganda and Repression

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Yellow Vest Movement Struggles to Reinvent Democracy as Macron Cranks Up Propaganda and Repression

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After five months of constant presence at traffic circles, toll-booths and hazardous Saturday marches,  the massive, self-organized social movement known as the Yellow Vests has just held its second nationwide “Assembly of Assemblies.” Hundreds of autonomous Yellow Vest activist groups from all over France each chose two delegates (one woman, one man) to gather in the port city of St. Nazaire for weekend of deliberation (April 5-7).

After weeks of skirmishing with the municipal authorities, the local Yellow Vests were able to host 700 delegates at the St. Nazaire “House of the People,” and the three-day series of general meetings and working groups went off without a hitch in an atmosphere of good-fellowship. A sign on the wall proclaimed: “No one has the solution, but everybody has a piece of it.”

Their project: mobilize their “collective intelligence” to reorganize, strategize, and prolong their struggle. Their aim: achieve the immediate goals of livable wages and retirements, restoration of social benefits and public services like schools, transportation, post offices, hospitals, taxing the rich and ending fiscal fraud to pay for preserving the environment, and, most ambitious of all, reinventing democracy in the process. Their Declaration ends with the phrase “government of the people, by the people, and for the people.” I often wonder if they know who coined it.

Yellow and Green Unite and Fight

Particular attention was paid to the issue of the environment, reaffirming the popular slogan: “End of the week. End of the world. Same logic, same struggle.” (It rhymes in French.) The Assembly went further and called on “All persons who wish to put an end to the expropriation of the living to take up a conflictual stance against the present system in order to create, together, a new ecological, popular social movement.”

This shows growth from the original Yellow Vest uprising which began as a protest against a hike in taxes on Diesel fuel imposed in the name of the “saving environment.” (Less well known is that only 17% of that tax was actually earmarked for the environment. In any case, Macron rescinded it in an early attempt to pacify the movement). Since then, the Yellow Vests have tentatively converged with the environmental groups, whom many poor and working-class Yellow Vests can’t help seeing as bourgeois on bicycles wanting to be nice but unwilling to struggle directly against the establishment.

So their call for unity is also in part a challenge to the environmental movement: “join us in the struggle for social equality and be ready to fight the whole system.” Brilliant! Who said an unstructured autonomous movement of ordinary, not well-educated people, could not come up with strategies and tactics? Psychologists explain that this “wisdom of crowds” emerges whenever people are on an equal footing and free of constraint.[1] It grows through experience. And discussion. A dialectical process leading to its emergence. “No one has the solution, but everybody has a piece of it.” This was the basis of direct democracy in Athens, from which the Yellow Vests have also borrowed the idea of choosing representatives by lot.

Autonomy


 YES, IT LOOKS CLUMSY, AND SOMETIMES TERRIBLY TEDIOUS, BUT OUT OF THESE PEER TO PEER ORGANIC DISCUSSIONS DEMOCRACY IS FINALLY HAMMERED OUT. THE GILETS JAUNES ARE FEELING THEIR WAY TO A NEW FORM OF FAR MORE EFFECTIVE REPRESENTATION.

The Assembly of Assemblies (Assemblée des assemblées des gilets jaunes Vendredi 5 Avril 2019) reaffirmed the Yellow Vest founding principle of keeping clear of political parties. Also of leaders. To my mind this is a genius stroke. Every popular mass movement I have participated in over the past 60 years has been co-opted by the establishment (or crushed). Leaders set up an office, they try to raise money and gain access to power, end up compromising; they treat the rank and file activists like a mailing list and the power and dynamic of the mass movement melts away,– like the Nuclear Freeze which once mobilized millions. Eventually, Democratic Party lures them. Here, the Socialist Party swallowed SOS Racism, the embryo of a much-needed Civil Rights movement here in France.

Instinctively, from the beginning, the Yellow Vests seem to have assimilated and put into practice the profound criticism of representative democracy that goes back to the 18thcentury and was applied during the Paris Commune in 1871. There delegates were given limited mandates, subject to instant recall, regularly rotated, and paid at workmen’s wages. The Communards also called on other cities to rise and link up as a federation. This is precisely the Yellow Vests modus operandi.

Europe

This critique of representation explains the Assembly’s attitude toward the upcoming elections for the European Parliament, which will play out as a rehearsal for the next legislative elections when parties will be competing seriously for votes. The fear of being manipulated for political purposes as strong. Last month Yellow Vests at a Paris demonstration recognized a Yellow Vest who had just declared her candidacy to great media fanfare, apparently in the name of the Yellow Vests. They were furious and yelled at her until she withdrew, shaken. Ugly, but a necessary example to anyone else who would rather be a politician than a Yellow Vest (without resigning first).

As far as Europe is concerned,  the Assembly, far from calling for a Frexit, reached out to social movements in the other countries of the European Union in a call to come together and struggle against its neo-liberal policies. The Assembly saw no point in voting in this sham election. As everyone knows, the European Parliament has no power or even visibility. It’s not even in Brussels, where the important decisions are made by representatives of the German banks and multi-national corporations. Moreover, it limits the deficit spending of its member countries, thus making it illegal for France to finance the social services and environmental reconstruction the people are demanding.

Restructuring and Reflection

Last weekend’s Assembly of Assemblies coincided with Act 21 of the Yellow Vests’ long struggle to occupy public spaces and freely proclaim their hopes and angers, and it brought out only 23,400 people (government count) across France, the lowest number so far. Small wonder after five straight months of bloody repression. The police were as usual out in force, and they stopped and frisked 14, 919 people according to the Paris Prefecture. After twenty-one weekly battles, many of us are too tired, too scared and/or too old to continue “running with the bulls” through the streets dodging gas canisters.

“We thought we were off for a sprint. In fact we were involved in a marathon and we need to prepare ourselves,” admitted one speaker.”  We realize we need to vary our tactics, refine our goals, organize our democratic structures better for the movement to last, and last weekend’s Assembly attempted to face this challenge, starting with three weeks of discussion and a number new approaches.

Among the new tactics was a call for a huge nationwide protest against the increasing repression being imposed by the Macron government, the liberation of all those in jail, whether Yellow Vests or in other “criminalized” struggles and refers directly to the oppressed North African and immigrant communities in France, whose 2005 youth rising was brutally put down. “[The violent repression] we are experiencing today now has been for decades the daily experience in the popular quarters [ghetto-like “suburbs” –Ed.]” and concludes: “Now authoritarianism is being generalized to the whole society.”

Macron’s Response: Propaganda and Violent Repression

In contrast to these deliberations, last weekend the Macron government delivered the results of its official “Great Debate,” a publicity stunt organized by his government at a cost of 12 million Euros to showcase the President articulately answering questions from selected audiences of mayors and local notables in towns and villages across the country. In all, Macron logged 92 hours of speaking.

France’s elected monarch concocted this “Debate,” whose limits were set in advance (taxing the rich and the corporations was off the table), as his “answer” to the Yellow Vests’ demand for participatory democracy. The results were unsurprising: the French want “lower taxes, no cuts to services” (NYT April 9). Asked if the “Great Debate” was a “success for Macron and his government,” only 6% of those polled by BFM-TV answered “yes.” Another poll revealed that 35% of French people still approve the Yellow Vests (down from 70% last December) while only 29% approve of Macron.

PR aside, the Macron government’s real answer to public opposition posed by the Yellow Vests has been brutally stark: slander, violent repression and strict new laws limiting the right to demonstrate – a right enshrined in the Declaration of Human Rights and the French Constitution. Macron and his ministers have publicly denounced the Yellow Vests as “anti-Semites,” “fascists,”  “a hateful mob,” and a violent conspiracy of “40-50,000” terrorists “of the extreme left and extreme right,” out to destroy French institutions.

This vicious caricature, echoed endlessly by the media and reinforced by scary images of violence and vandalism against the symbols of wealth and power in Paris, is designed to dehumanize the protesters, otherwise easily recognizable as poor provincials who are tired of being ignored. Thus demonized, the Yellow Vests’ actual demands for dignity and justice can be ignored. As a threat to France, they must be repressed by any means necessary.

Since November 2018, when the Yellow Vest movement suddenly sprung up 300,00 strong, the government has unleashed unprecedented police brutality, using military grade weapons against unarmed demonstrators, provoking hundreds of serious injuries (including blindings, loss of limbs, and broken faces). Although invisible on French mainstream media (government subsidized and corporate owned), this French government violence has been repeatedly condemned by human rights panels in France and the European Union, as well as by Michelle Bachelet, former President of Chile and UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.

Government Violence At Last Exposed

On Saturday March 23, as President Macron was visiting the Riviera, 73 year-old Geniève Legay, local spokesperson ATTAC (the 20-year-old international NGO that proposes taxing financial transactions for social purposes) joined the Yellow Vest demonstration at Nice to speak out against this repression. Interviewed on local TV carrying a rainbow peace flag, she declared “We are here to say we have the right to demonstrate …We will leave this square when we choose. And if they use force… Then we’ll see. I’m not afraid. I’m 73 years old, what could happen to me? I’m fighting for my grand-children. Against tax havens, and all the money the banks are laundering, against fossil energy.”

Moments later, Police Commander Souchi ordered his heavily armed riot police to charge the peaceful group in which Geneviève Legay was standing, and she found herself on the ground, surrounded by riot cops, bleeding profusely, with a cracked skull and broken ribs. She is still in the hospital with serious injuries.


Paris : acte 22, v’là les Gilets jaunes


 Paris, le samedi 13 avril 2019. Les Gilets jaunes ont marché dans le calme de la place de la Nation à la place de la République (en passant par Bastille). Les forces de l’ordre sont rapidement intervenues pour éviter une manifestation sauvage près de la gare de Lyon.


On Monday, the Public Prosecutor and President Macron categorically denied that she had had any contact with the police, and the President, interviewed by the local paper, made a hypocritical apology, “wishing her a speedy recovery and hoping that she might learn some ‘sagesse” (literally “wisdom” but typically applied to children in the sense of learning to “behave.”)

According to the President of France, as a fragile elderly person Mme Legay should have known better than to go out to the square in the first place, and so had got herself trampled in the crowd. (The haughty Macron, like the arrogant Trump, seems to enjoy adding insult to injury.) But, as her TV interview makes clear, Geneviève Legay knew very well she was risking her life to defend the democratic freedom to demonstrate and foresaw such an attack moments before it was ordered by police Commander Souchi.

Indeed, videos taken on the spot and the testimony of street-medics and other eyewitnesses (including policemen) told a different story. Apparently a policeman wielding a had shield hit her in the head and knocked her down, whereupon he and other cops stridled her and dragged her away bleeding, refusing to allow street-medics to attend her. They may also have kicked her when she was down, which would explain her cracked ribs.

Later, police entered her hospital room, where Mme Legay was alone (her daughters having been barred without explanation). They repeatedly tried to get Mme Legay to admit that a “cameraman” had pushed her down, but when she repeated that it was a policeman, they stopped taking notes.

Meanwhile, videos of the attack were all over the Internet, and the independent, subscriber-supported news site Médiapart gathered eyewitness evidence and presented it to the Public Prosecutor, who on March 29 was obliged to reverse himself and affirm police involvement.

Then, on April 8, Médiapart exposed the deliberate official cover-up of this attack. It turns out that the person placed in charge of the investigation, Hélène P, one of the policewoman who had pressured Mme Legay in her hospital room to declare that she had been pushed down by a “cameraman,” was none other than the common-law wife of Commander Souchi, who had shouted the order to “Charge! Charge!” at the peaceful group in which Mme Legay was standing.

This scandal has finally broken official silence on French police brutality after five months of violent, indiscriminate attacks on Yellow Vests – visible on YouTube but not on TV. Even the death, during a housing demonstration in Marseille, of  Zaineb Redouane, an 80 year-old woman who was killed on Dec. 4 at her upstairs window when shot directly in the face with tear-gas grenade, went unacknowledged. (She was only an Algerian.)

Macron’s Lies and Cover-ups

Thus, the President of the Republic was caught outright lying to cover up police brutality. Not as strange as one might think, given the scandal that has clung to him like a tick since last summer, also uncovered by Médiapart, is the Benalla Affair – named for Macron’s Security Chief, who last year was captured on a video, wearing a borrowed riot police uniform, viciously clubbing a demonstrator lying on the ground – apparently for the fun of it. It then emerged that Macron’s protégé and left-hand man Benalla was also involved in a variety of international intrigues and scams, which continue tarnish Macron’s Mister Clean image in France as new evidence emerges.

Nonetheless, Macron, a former Socialist, is still seen internationally as a progressive, democratic leader, efficiently modernizing France’s archaic “exception” to neo-liberal dogma, basically a friend to human rights. The extraordinary violence of his regime has remained hidden behind a smokescreen of demonization of the Yellow Vests and de facto censorship by the mainstream media. Even the liberal New York Review of Books, which in the 60s printed a diagram of a Molotov cocktail on its front page, has clung to this line, placing the blame for “violence” on the protestors. So before leaving this subject, let’s look at some unpleasant statistics and then examine the role of the Black Block of so-called casseurs(“trashers”) in sustaining this image.

Whose Violence?


The official narrative is that the Yellow Vests have been attacking the forces of order, and indeed they are often seen on TV throwing teargas canisters back at the police. Interior Minister Castener has been categorical: “I know of no policeman who has attacked the Yellow Vests.” Here are the statistics.

No policemen have been reported as seriously injured during the five months of weekly clashes with the Yellow Vests.

On the other hand, the latest official Interior Ministry figures list 2, 200 wounded demonstrators, 10 eyes permanently put out, 8,700 arrests, 1,796 convictions, 1, 428 teargas canisters fired, 4, 942 dispersion grenades fired, 13, 460 Flashballs (LBDs) fired.

Flashballs, manufactured in Switzerland, are listed as “sub-lethal military weapons” but when they cross the French border, they magically become crowd-control devices. They are extremely powerful and accurate at 50 yards, and the number head-wounds indicate that they have been deliberately aimed at demonstrators’ heads, as have been tear-gas canisters and grenades.

Médiapart’s list counts 606 demonstrators wounded including one death, 5 hands ripped off, 23 blinded in one eye, 236 head wounds (including jaws ripped off) and 103 attacks on journalists. Among the wounded 464 were demonstrators, 39 minors, 22 bystanders, 61 journalists and 20 medics.[2]

What About the Violent Vandals?

Concerning the Black Block and other casseurs (“trashers”) they are certainly guilty of property damage on a fairly significant scale, but have as far as I know not wounded, blinded or crippled any human beings. That, to me (but apparently not to the French media) is a significant difference. I have never eaten at Fouquet’s restaurant, and I’m sure they have insurance.

My problem with the Black Block at Yellow Vest demonstrations is that they never get arrested or struck by flashballs. Go on YouTube and you can see dozens of videos of masked, black-clad guys with crowbars smashing banks and trashing stores in plain sight. No one ever stops them. Why?

A certain number of casseurshave been spotted (and videoed) as police provocateurs, infiltrating the demonstrations, smashing stuff, and then being exfiltrated through police lines. This is an old French police tactic designed to spoil the image of a demonstration and justify violent repression, but the whole truth is that Europe is full of angry young men, self-styled anarchists, deeply invested in fighting the establishment by smashing its symbols. They come in from all over Europe.

So the cops leave them alone and concentrate on their main mission: brutalizing the crowds of ordinary demonstrators to scare them off and stifle dissent. Moreover, the Black Block folks are more likely to kick the shit out of the cops who try to stop them than are high-school kids, parents with children, and old folks like me and Geneviève. I’d like the Black Block much more if they would fight the cops themselves, instead of using us as human shields while expressing their quite understandable rage while we get gassed and shot at.

Libertycidal” Legislation

The new “anti-casseurs” laws that Macron is pushing through the legislature will legalize and set in stone for the future the repressive practices used against the Yellow Vests, making them permanently available to his successors (for example Marine LePen). They have nothing to do with actual casseurs (who are obviously breaking existing laws and need only to be apprehended under them) and everything to do with making it nearly impossible for ecologists, trade-unionists or Yellow Vests to demonstrate.

For example, if you are a small-town Yellow Vest and take the train to Paris on a Saturday, you are likely to be stopped several times between the station and the Champs Elysées. If you have in your backpack Vaseline, eye drops, ski goggles, a bicycle helmet, a face-scarf or God forbid a gasmask, you can be arrested, brought to summary trial, and convicted the very same day for being part of a “group organized for the purpose of destroying public order and obstructing the forces of order.”

Of course if you insist on a real trial with lawyers and everything, they will gladly hold you over in jail, but if you’re not at work on Monday you’ll lose your job and meanwhile who is minding the kids? And if you eventually  do get to demonstrate and the demonstration leads to property damage, you may also be made legally and financially responsible. You may also be placed on a list of dangerous people and barred from demonstrating again at the whim of the local Prefect.

The chilling prospect of turning these absurd police-state practices into law is what brought pacifists like Geneviève Legay out into the streets with the Yellow Vests. Interviewed in the hospital, where she is still in pain and recovering slowly from multiple injuries, she declared: “Today I am determined to carry on the fight. It is ever more necessary to do so when you see the anti-democratic drift of this government […] The yellow Vests support me and I will continue supporting them. I am not going to stop fighting to defend our rights, as I have for 50 years, and to struggle against State repression whatever form it may take.”

The Cat is Out of the Bag

She will not be alone. The League for the Rights of Man and more than 50 other civil liberties groups, religious associations, trade unions, civic associations and far-left parties have just called for a massive national demonstration for the right to demonstrate, along with the Yellow Vests this Saturday, April 13. I hope it will be massive.

The choice of Saturday is significant as an act of solidarity with the Yellow Vests, who alone have been defending the public’s right to assemble in public places, and this at considerable personal risk. For 22 weeks, the Yellow Vests have been acting out this basic democratic right through their principled refusal to beg the police for special  permission for citizens to gather in a public square or parade through the streets. Imagine “Occupy Wall St.” happening all around the country, in cities and on traffic circles, on a weekly basis. All alone, the Yellow Vests have sustained thousands of injuries and thousands of arrests through this weekly act of civil disobedience, proclaiming the right to the city. Now, at last, they have recognition and allies.[3]

This new convergence of other groups, along with the new perspectives flowing from the Yellow Vests’ Assembly of Assemblies, may mark a new phase in their long and lonely struggle against Macron’s harsh, anti-democratic, neo-liberal regime in its implacable drive to wipe out the relative advantages in living standards, social services and personal liberties won by previous generations of French people in 1936 (the general strike), 1945 (the Liberation) and 1968 (the general strike and student uprising). Indeed, since 1789 (the Declaration of the Rights of Man, which enshrines the people’s right to demonstrate grievances).

P.S. Meanwhile, the Algerian people, having suffered a century of French colonial rule, a long and bloody war for independence, and more than 60 years of corrupt police-state rule, are carrying on a similar struggle for dignity and democracy, filling the streets once a week (but on Friday, not Saturday) in so-far peaceful massive demonstrations. (The Montpellier Yellow Vests immediately voted their support.) The irony is that the Algerian police have held back on violence, whereas here in France, the level of state repression against the Yellow Vests reminds me of the oppressive atmosphere of police repression I experienced as a student in Paris during the Algerian War.

P.S. In my next report from Montpellier, I will try relating, as a participant-observer, what it’s like inside the Yellow Vests. Meanwhile, don’t hesitate to send me any questions you may have about this under-reported but much-maligned autonomous popular movement.

Notes.

[1] See James Surowiecki: The Wisdom of Crowds: Why the Many Are Smarter Than the Few and How Collective Wisdom Shapes Business, Economies, Societies and Nations.

[2] [url=https://www.mediapart.fr/studio/panoramique/allo-place-beauvau-cest-pour-un-bilan]https://www.mediapart.fr/studio/panoramique/allo-place-beauvau-cest-pour-un-bilan[/url]

[3] Typical of Yellow Vests’ sense of autonomy, our Montpellier/Peyrou group, although happy to join the Oct. 13 demonstration (which has received an actual permit) reserves the right to break off from the official group, march around where they please, and return when they choose. You can only « have » a right if you use it. During Act 21, after chasing around town with the cops on their heels, they ended up on the main square and spontaneously formed a very long line and began dancing an improvised Medieval danse to the rythm of drums, flutes and noise makers.

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ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Richard Greeman is a Marxist scholar long active in human rights, anti-war, anti-nuclear, environmental and labor struggles in the U.S., Latin America, France, and Russia. Greeman is best known for his studies and translations of the Franco-Russian novelist and revolutionary Victor Serge. He splits his time between Montpelier, France and New York City.

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Title: 🔥 Notre Dame in FLAMES
Post by: RE on April 15, 2019, 03:49:12 PM
Was it ARSON? 🔥

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-paris-collapse-live-updates-today-2019-04-15/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-paris-collapse-live-updates-today-2019-04-15/)

http://www.youtube.com/v/xGbmWOfdXcQ

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on April 15, 2019, 04:52:17 PM
How do you incinerate steel, copper, & white granite  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on April 15, 2019, 05:01:57 PM
Apparently there was a huge attic space above the vaulted ceiling that was full of ancient braced timber beams. They had been doing restoration and repair work on the roof in the area where the fire started. Sounds accidental.

A real tragedy though.It was way more than just a church. It was part of all our history....been there since the Middle Ages. So sorry to hear about this one.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on April 15, 2019, 05:55:43 PM
Apparently there was a huge attic space above the vaulted ceiling that was full of ancient braced timber beams. They had been doing restoration and repair work on the roof in the area where the fire started. Sounds accidental.

A real tragedy though.It was way more than just a church. It was part of all our history....been there since the Middle Ages. So sorry to hear about this one.

Very coincidental that it would occur during Holy Week right before Easter.

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Title: 🔥 French Officials Pledging To Rebuild Notre Dame After Devastating Fire
Post by: RE on April 16, 2019, 02:18:02 AM
How much do you think the rebuild will cost?

RE

http://www.youtube.com/v/EhVCnFmNGaQ
Title: 🔥 Day after devastating Notre Dame Cathedral fire, millions in donations pour i
Post by: RE on April 17, 2019, 01:37:17 AM
$700M in the first day!  Billionaires trying to out-do each other in contributions!  This could turn out to be the best thing that ever happened to Notre Dame!  They were having trouble raisin a few $million$ for renovations.  They'll have a $billion$ to spend here EZ!

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/16/notre-dame-cathedral-fire/3481868002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/16/notre-dame-cathedral-fire/3481868002/)

Day after devastating Notre Dame Cathedral fire, millions in donations pour in
Kim Hjelmgaard, Rebecca Rosman and Joey Garrison, USA TODAY Published 3:32 a.m. ET April 16, 2019 | Updated 7:17 p.m. ET April 16, 2019

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PARIS — A day after a devastating fire erupted in the beloved Notre Dame Cathedral, the French people — and much of the world — vowed to restore an iconic church that's served as the symbol of Paris for 850 years.

More than $700 million in committed donations poured in Tuesday to rebuild the damaged portions of the cathedral with major help from some of the richest families in France.

It came amid a sigh of relief after fears that the building might burn to the ground were assuaged and many historic artifacts, initially assumed to be destroyed, were found salvaged.

French President Emmanuel Macron, in a televised address to the nation Tuesday evening, made a call to unity and to set aside political differences in the coming days to work to rebuild the cathedral.

Throughout French history, he said, towns, forts and churches have burned from revolutions, wars or mankind, "and each time we have rebuilt."

"We are rebuilders," he said. "There's a great deal to be rebuilt. And we will make the cathedral of Notre Dame even more beautiful. We can do this and we will mobilize everybody."

Macron said that he wanted Notre Dame rebuilt in 5 years. But architects say the repairs could take decades.

"This is going to be a slow process and one that's going to take a lot of time," said John J. Casbarian, dean emeritus at Rice University's School of Architecture, where he oversees a the school's program in Paris.

The French interior minister said Tuesday that there are still some risks that may endanger the structure of Notre Dame cathedral, noting that the centuries-old house of worship was “under permanent surveillance" because it could still budge.

Christophe Castaner told reporters that state workers would need to wait 48 hours before being able to safely enter Notre Dame and handle the art works still inside. “We will be standing at (Notre Dame’s) bedside,” he added.

Firefighters earlier declared victory when they announced the devastating inferno was officially put out after an intense effort to save the cathedral in the French capital.

The Paris Fire Service announced on Twitter that firefighters "came to grips with" the blaze at 3:30 a.m. Tuesday, more than 12 hours after nearly 400 firefighters had battled the flames that altered the city's skyline. Two policemen and one firefighter had been slightly injured, according to the fire service. There were no reported fatalities.

Paris firefighters spokesman Gabriel Plus said "the entire fire is out" and that emergency personnel were "surveying the movement of the structures and extinguishing smoldering residues."

One of the city’s five senior vicars, Philippe Marsset, told the Associated Press: “If God intervened (in the blaze) it was in the courage of the firefighters.”

Photos and video from inside Notre Dame showed light beams coming from the decimated wood roof, which was built from nearly 13,000 oak trees. It helped fuel the raging fire. Smoldering rubble could be seen piled up on the cathedral's floor. And yet there were glimpses of hope – the cathedral's stone foundation remained strong and  candles were still lit from visitors who had gone there the day before.

The cathedral's famous twin bell towers were visibly intact. The 18th century organ that boasts 8,000 pipes also appeared to have survived, as did all three of the massive Rose stained-glass windows that date back to the 13th century and other historic treasures from inside the cathedral, officials said.

Evacuated artworks, including the Christ’s Crown of Thorns, have been transferred to the Louvre museum in Paris.

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A massive fundraising campaign was underway Tuesday to rebuild the cathedral. The more than $700 amassed so far includes a $113 million pledge from French billionaire Francois Henri Pinault and $226 million from fellow billionaire Bernard Arnault and his LVMH group.

The two French businessmen, long considered rivals, are now going tit-for-tat on Notre Dame donations, according to the Associated Press. Arnault, the richest man in all of Europe, is CEO of the world’s biggest luxury group, LVMH, the owner of iconic fashion houses Louis Vuitton and Christian Dior. He doubled the amount pledged by Pinault, owner of he world’s second-biggest luxury group, Kering.

French cosmetics company L'Oréal, along with The Bettencourt Meyers family and the Bettencourt Schueller Foundation, have said they will donate $226 million as well. Apple CEO Tim Cook tweeted that Apple will donate to the rebuilding efforts, but did not specify how much.

Parisians and tourists from around the world had watched in horror Monday evening as flames ravaged the world famous roof, causing Notre Dame’s spire to collapse. After battling flames for nine hours into the night, firefighters were able to save the landmark’s main stone structure.

The tragedy comes during Holy Week, an important event for the Catholic Church with Easter days away.

Paris prosecutor Remy Heitz said the inquiry into the fire would be "long and complex." Fifty investigators were working on it and would interview workers from five companies hired for the renovations to the cathedral's roof, where the flames first broke out.

Heitz said an initial fire alert was sounded at 6:20 p.m. Monday but no fire was found. The second alert was sounded at 6:43 p.m., and the blaze was discovered on the roof.

Notre Dame, the most famous Gothic cathedral from the Middle Ages, was built over a nearly 200-year span beginning in 1163 under King Louis VII. A tourist destination known for its spectacular stained-glass windows, the church has survived the French Revolution, World World I and the Nazi occupation of France during World War II.

Its many celebrated moments include the crowning of Henry VI in 1431 and the crowning of Napoleon as emperor in 1804 after he had helped save the cathedral from possible demolition.

Despite light drizzle and cloudy-gray skies, there was a sense of relief Tuesday on the streets of Paris with thoughts shifting from sorrow to action — examining what needs to be done to restore the jewel of medieval Gothic architecture.

“You can still see that the statue of the Virgin Mary is still standing,” said Catherine Oudot, 63, gesturing toward the facade of the cathedral. “It’s a relief to know that it survived. Notre Dame isn’t just a Christian landmark or a cultural landmark. It’s an absolute symbol for us, for France."

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Oudet, who lives near the Eiffel Tower, was at home when she heard the fire had started.

“I saw photos and images on TV of smoke bellowing out of the cathedral. I was in shock," Oudet said. "I couldn’t believe it. How does this happen in the 21st Century with all the technology we have: smoke alarms, fire alarms? I’m struggling to understand it.”

Paris prosecutor Remy Heitz said there’s no evidence of arson in blaze and that they believe it was an accident. The inferno could be linked to the $6.8 million renovation project underway. Heitz said the investigation will be “long and complex,” and that 50 investigators are involved in the probe. 

Workers from five companies that had been hired to work on renovations to the cathedral’s roof will be interviewed, Heitz said.
People stop to see and photograph the Notre Dame cathedral after the fire in Paris, Tuesday, April 16, 2019. Experts are assessing the blackened shell of Paris' iconic Notre Dame cathedral to establish next steps to save what remains after a devastating fire destroyed much of the almost 900-year-old building. With the fire that broke out Monday evening and quickly consumed the cathedral now under control, attention is turning to ensuring the structural integrity of the remaining building.

People stop to see and photograph the Notre Dame cathedral after the fire in Paris, Tuesday, April 16, 2019. Experts are assessing the blackened shell of Paris' iconic Notre Dame cathedral to establish next steps to save what remains after a devastating fire destroyed much of the almost 900-year-old building. With the fire that broke out Monday evening and quickly consumed the cathedral now under control, attention is turning to ensuring the structural integrity of the remaining building. (Photo: Kamil Zihnioglu, AP)

More: Views of the Notre Dame Cathedral before, after, and during blaze

More: 'Worst has been avoided': Notre Dame Cathedral's structure is saved; French president vows to rebuild

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said President Donald Trump offered his condolences to Macron on Tuesday morning on behalf of the American people. 

"We stand with France today and offer our assistance in the rehabilitation of this irreplaceable symbol of Western civilization. Vive la France!" she said in a statement.

The Vatican said Pope Francis was "praying for French Catholics and for the people of Paris in face of the terrible fire which has ravaged Notre-Dame cathedral,” the Agence France-Presse news agency reported.

Britain's Queen Elizabeth II said in a message to Macron: "My thoughts and prayers are with those who worship at the Cathedral and all of France at this difficult time."

The 12th-century cathedral is one of the world’s most famous tourist attractions, immortalized by Victor Hugo’s 1831 novel “The Hunchback of Notre Dame” and visited by more than 13 million people a year.

The blaze collapsed the cathedral’s spire and spread to one of its rectangular towers in a spectacle watched by throngs of spectators. Paris Fire Chief Jean-Claude Gallet said the church’s main structure had been saved after firefighters prevented the flames from spreading to the northern belfry. "Two-thirds of the roofing has been ravaged," Gallet said.

All bridges surrounding Notre Dame cathedral in Paris are blocked by police, the AP reports. But tourists and Parisians have continued to cluster closely to the fire-scarred monument, which sits in the middle of an island – the Ile de la Cite – on the Seine River.

Emmanuel Gregoire, the deputy mayor of Paris, told BFMTV on Tuesday that he felt  “enormous relief” at salvaging prized pieces such as the purported Crown of Thorns, which many believe was worn by Jesus Christ.

More: Cathedral resurrection: A look at famous houses of worship reborn after destruction

More: Donald Trump draws criticism over suggestion of fighting Notre Dame fire with 'flying water tankers'

Tuesday's good news was a dramatic shift from earlier Monday when officials predicted the structure would burn to the ground.  “Everything is burning. Nothing will remain from the frame,” Notre Dame spokesman Andre Finot had told French media.

Alain Juppe, France’s former prime minister, who went inside Notre Dame Tuesday morning to review the damage, said he was impressed with the solidarity that people inside and outside France were showing toward the country.

“We need to save her,” Juppe said, calling it a "miracle" that many of the artifacts and historic treasures appear to have been preserved.

Thibault Verny, Paris’ deputy bishop, told USA TODAY that he was feeling “very sad” about what happened but it was a “great moment” for the country to come together.

“On (Easter) Sunday we will celebrate the resurrection," he said as he walked across the main square in front of the cathedral. "My message will be one of hope and that we need to push ahead.”

Contributing: Jane Onyanga-Omara in London; the Associated Press

 
Title: 🔥 Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts wa
Post by: RE on April 18, 2019, 12:00:03 AM
Forget the Stone Cutters and the wooden beams.  They should rebuild with Chinese Steel and Basalt reinforced Concrete.  It will go faster and last longer.

RE

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/notre-dame-fire-macron-s-vow-rebuild-cathedral-unrealistic-experts-n995311 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/notre-dame-fire-macron-s-vow-rebuild-cathedral-unrealistic-experts-n995311)


Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts warn


"It will certainly take years, perhaps even decades, until the last damage caused by this terrible fire will be completely repaired."
(https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2019_16/2824656/190417-notre-dame-2-jc-0459_8b819d65374e3105fecb830e4cb40e23.fit-2000w.jpg)
A damaged section of Notre Dame Cathedral.GONZALO FUENTES / Reuters

April 17, 2019, 2:08 AM AKDT / Updated April 17, 2019, 2:16 AM AKDT
By F. Brinley Bruton

Cathedrals often took more than a century to build in medieval times, a process that sometimes spanned the lives of several monarchs.

So French President Emmanuel Macron's pledge Tuesday to restore fire-devastated Notre Dame within five years was at odds with experts who predicted restoring the jewel of Gothic architecture would likely take much longer.
Restoration of Britain's York Minster gives hope to Notre Dame Cathedral
April 17, 201902:02

A host of specialized artisans and skilled workmen will need to be gathered from around France, and likely beyond. These include master stone-cutters, mortar makers, carpenters, roofers, quarrymen and sculptors.

Speaking before Macron's announcement, Emily Guerry, a professor of medieval history at England's University of Kent, anticipated restoration work on the 850-year-old icon would take around two decades.

“This will be the largest, most important cultural renovation project in France for some time to come,” she said, adding that the process would be “very delicate.”

Jean-Claude Bellanger, secretary-general of Les Compagnons du Devoir, an organization that provides training in manual trades, told Le Parisian newspaper that the niche nature of the work would require an influx of new talent.

“We need to open some 100 places in our carpentry, stone-cutting and roofing sections,” he said, with at least 300 more skilled tradesmen also needing training.
Image: Debris within Notre Dame Cathedral
Debris within fire-ravaged Notre Dame Cathedral.Christophe Petit Tesson / Pool via AP

A decade is necessary to train some of the specialized workers required for such a project, Bellanger added.

Bertrand de Feydeau, vice president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the 800-year-old roof that went up in flames was built with wood from forests that have all but disappeared.

It won't won’t be rebuilt precisely as it was before because "we don’t, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century," he told The Associated Press.
Related
World news
Notre Dame fire triggers alarm bells at other historic landmarks

Macron's promise was aimed at galvanizing a nation reeling after a blaze tore through the 12th-century landmark.

And with around $1 billion raised in donations for Notre Dames's reconstruction, Macron appeared confident it could be made whole again in time for the 2024 Paris Summer Olympics.

"We have so much to reconstruct," he said. "So yes, we will rebuild the Cathedral of Notre Dame more beautifully. And I would like it to be achieved in five years from now. We can do it. And we will mobilize."

But the timescale of similar projects suggests Macron might be focusing on optimism over realism.

The Gothic cathedral in Cologne, Germany, was badly damaged during World War II and work to repair it is ongoing more than 70 years later.
Image: Cologne Cathedral and the Hohenzollern railway bridge
Cologne Cathedral is a UNESCO World Heritage Site.Wolfgang Rattay / Reuters, file

"This is certainly a tragedy with a European dimension, because the Gothic style was invented in France,” Peter Fuessenich, who is leading the reconstruction in Cologne, told the AP. "It will certainly take years, perhaps even decades, until the last damage caused by this terrible fire will be completely repaired.”

Pierluigi Pericolo, who is in charge of restoration and security at the St. Donatian basilica in the French city of Nantes, said it could take two to five years just to secure and stabilize Notre Dame, given its size.

"It's a fundamental step, and very complex, because it's difficult to send workers into a monument whose vaulted ceilings are swollen with water," he said on France Info. "The end of the fire doesn't mean the edifice is totally saved. The stone can deteriorate when it is exposed to high temperatures and change its mineral composition and fracture inside."
New fears that Notre Dame cathedral may collapse as Paris mourns historic landmark
April 16, 201903:12

Historians and experts in medieval architecture tried to assuage worries around the world about the future of Notre Dame, saying that such disasters were natural in the lifespan of such buildings.

Sara Uckelman, a professor at Britain’s Durham University, pointed out that the cathedral has endured sieges and two world wars.

“I'm finding that my background and training as a medievalist means I'm, overall, finding it a lot less devastating than many people,” she wrote in a Facebook post. “I know how churches live. They are not static monuments to the past. They are built, they get burned, they are rebuilt, they are extended, they get ransacked, they get rebuilt, they collapse because they were not built well, they get rebuilt, they get extended, they get renovated, they get bombed, they get rebuilt."

Uckelman added: “It is the continuous presence, not the original structure, that matters."
Title: Re: 🔥 Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts wa
Post by: azozeo on April 18, 2019, 03:36:55 AM
Forget the Stone Cutters and the wooden beams.  They should rebuild with Chinese Steel and Basalt reinforced Concrete.  It will go faster and last longer.

RE

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/notre-dame-fire-macron-s-vow-rebuild-cathedral-unrealistic-experts-n995311 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/notre-dame-fire-macron-s-vow-rebuild-cathedral-unrealistic-experts-n995311)


Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts warn


"It will certainly take years, perhaps even decades, until the last damage caused by this terrible fire will be completely repaired."
(https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2019_16/2824656/190417-notre-dame-2-jc-0459_8b819d65374e3105fecb830e4cb40e23.fit-2000w.jpg)
A damaged section of Notre Dame Cathedral.GONZALO FUENTES / Reuters

April 17, 2019, 2:08 AM AKDT / Updated April 17, 2019, 2:16 AM AKDT
By F. Brinley Bruton

Cathedrals often took more than a century to build in medieval times, a process that sometimes spanned the lives of several monarchs.

So French President Emmanuel Macron's pledge Tuesday to restore fire-devastated Notre Dame within five years was at odds with experts who predicted restoring the jewel of Gothic architecture would likely take much longer.
Restoration of Britain's York Minster gives hope to Notre Dame Cathedral
April 17, 201902:02

A host of specialized artisans and skilled workmen will need to be gathered from around France, and likely beyond. These include master stone-cutters, mortar makers, carpenters, roofers, quarrymen and sculptors.

Speaking before Macron's announcement, Emily Guerry, a professor of medieval history at England's University of Kent, anticipated restoration work on the 850-year-old icon would take around two decades.

“This will be the largest, most important cultural renovation project in France for some time to come,” she said, adding that the process would be “very delicate.”

Jean-Claude Bellanger, secretary-general of Les Compagnons du Devoir, an organization that provides training in manual trades, told Le Parisian newspaper that the niche nature of the work would require an influx of new talent.

“We need to open some 100 places in our carpentry, stone-cutting and roofing sections,” he said, with at least 300 more skilled tradesmen also needing training.
Image: Debris within Notre Dame Cathedral
Debris within fire-ravaged Notre Dame Cathedral.Christophe Petit Tesson / Pool via AP

A decade is necessary to train some of the specialized workers required for such a project, Bellanger added.

Bertrand de Feydeau, vice president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the 800-year-old roof that went up in flames was built with wood from forests that have all but disappeared.

It won't won’t be rebuilt precisely as it was before because "we don’t, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century," he told The Associated Press.
Related
World news
Notre Dame fire triggers alarm bells at other historic landmarks

Macron's promise was aimed at galvanizing a nation reeling after a blaze tore through the 12th-century landmark.

And with around $1 billion raised in donations for Notre Dames's reconstruction, Macron appeared confident it could be made whole again in time for the 2024 Paris Summer Olympics.

"We have so much to reconstruct," he said. "So yes, we will rebuild the Cathedral of Notre Dame more beautifully. And I would like it to be achieved in five years from now. We can do it. And we will mobilize."

But the timescale of similar projects suggests Macron might be focusing on optimism over realism.

The Gothic cathedral in Cologne, Germany, was badly damaged during World War II and work to repair it is ongoing more than 70 years later.
Image: Cologne Cathedral and the Hohenzollern railway bridge
Cologne Cathedral is a UNESCO World Heritage Site.Wolfgang Rattay / Reuters, file

"This is certainly a tragedy with a European dimension, because the Gothic style was invented in France,” Peter Fuessenich, who is leading the reconstruction in Cologne, told the AP. "It will certainly take years, perhaps even decades, until the last damage caused by this terrible fire will be completely repaired.”

Pierluigi Pericolo, who is in charge of restoration and security at the St. Donatian basilica in the French city of Nantes, said it could take two to five years just to secure and stabilize Notre Dame, given its size.

"It's a fundamental step, and very complex, because it's difficult to send workers into a monument whose vaulted ceilings are swollen with water," he said on France Info. "The end of the fire doesn't mean the edifice is totally saved. The stone can deteriorate when it is exposed to high temperatures and change its mineral composition and fracture inside."
New fears that Notre Dame cathedral may collapse as Paris mourns historic landmark
April 16, 201903:12

Historians and experts in medieval architecture tried to assuage worries around the world about the future of Notre Dame, saying that such disasters were natural in the lifespan of such buildings.

Sara Uckelman, a professor at Britain’s Durham University, pointed out that the cathedral has endured sieges and two world wars.

“I'm finding that my background and training as a medievalist means I'm, overall, finding it a lot less devastating than many people,” she wrote in a Facebook post. “I know how churches live. They are not static monuments to the past. They are built, they get burned, they are rebuilt, they are extended, they get ransacked, they get rebuilt, they collapse because they were not built well, they get rebuilt, they get extended, they get renovated, they get bombed, they get rebuilt."

Uckelman added: “It is the continuous presence, not the original structure, that matters."


Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

 
Title: Re: 🔥 Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts wa
Post by: RE on April 18, 2019, 08:16:35 AM

Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

RE
Title: Re: 🔥 Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts wa
Post by: azozeo on April 18, 2019, 10:35:01 AM

Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

RE


Your on glue .........

Show me a god-damn 3D printer that can hustle up white granite structures !

Those structures of grandeur can't be replaced TODAY. I don't care how many Elon Musks you put on the yob-site  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: 🔥 Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts wa
Post by: RE on April 18, 2019, 10:53:54 AM

Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

RE


Your on glue .........

Show me a god-damn 3D printer that can hustle up white granite structures !

Those structures of grandeur can't be replaced TODAY. I don't care how many Elon Musks you put on the yob-site  :icon_scratch:

You don't use white granite, silly goose.  You use basalt rebar reinforced concrete.  Better structural strength and you can dye and finish the concrete any color or texture you would like.  A lot faster than having stone masons carve granite rocks too.  It will look exactly the same in all the tourist photos, but be more resilient.

What happened here?  You're the one who is always touting techno-solutions.  You think Elon Musk can build a colony on Mars but you can't duplicate (visually) Notre Dame using modern building methods?

RE
Title: Re: 🔥 Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts wa
Post by: azozeo on April 18, 2019, 11:07:49 AM

Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

RE


Your on glue .........

Show me a god-damn 3D printer that can hustle up white granite structures !

Those structures of grandeur can't be replaced TODAY. I don't care how many Elon Musks you put on the yob-site  :icon_scratch:

You don't use white granite, silly goose.  You use basalt rebar reinforced concrete.  Better structural strength and you can dye and finish the concrete any color or texture you would like.  A lot faster than having stone masons carve granite rocks too.  It will look exactly the same in all the tourist photos, but be more resilient.

What happened here?  You're the one who is always touting techno-solutions.  You think Elon Musk can build a colony on Mars but you can't duplicate (visually) Notre Dame using modern building methods?

RE

Your still on glue .......

You're stating basalt with-stands the sands of time better than white granite. White granite strengthens over time, basalt erodes.
Evidentially, the original copper roof was removed in the past & the current material, possibly 4X8 sheets of glued lam board was in place.

You may want to see the shit job  the vatican did on the Coliseum after its unfortunate demise in the past.

Basically, for the last 384 years there has been an on-slaught of destruction against these antique-tech structures. Very sad indeed.

Title: Re: 🔥 Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts wa
Post by: RE on April 18, 2019, 11:17:38 AM

Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

RE


Your on glue .........

Show me a god-damn 3D printer that can hustle up white granite structures !

Those structures of grandeur can't be replaced TODAY. I don't care how many Elon Musks you put on the yob-site  :icon_scratch:

You don't use white granite, silly goose.  You use basalt rebar reinforced concrete.  Better structural strength and you can dye and finish the concrete any color or texture you would like.  A lot faster than having stone masons carve granite rocks too.  It will look exactly the same in all the tourist photos, but be more resilient.

What happened here?  You're the one who is always touting techno-solutions.  You think Elon Musk can build a colony on Mars but you can't duplicate (visually) Notre Dame using modern building methods?

RE

Your still on glue .......

You're stating basalt with-stands the sands of time better than white granite. White granite strengthens over time, basalt erodes.
Evidentially, the original copper roof was removed in the past & the current material, possibly 4X8 sheets of glued lam board was in place.

You may want to see the shit job  the vatican did on the Coliseum after its unfortunate demise in the past.

Basically, for the last 384 years there has been an on-slaught of destruction against these antique-tech structures. Very sad indeed.

The basalt is INSIDE the concrete.  It doesn't erode.  The concrete itself lasts a very long time.  The Parthenon has been around longer than Notre Dame.  Stop drinking the anti-freeze and move into the real world and out of 5th Dimensional la-la land.

(https://www.compassandfork.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Your-Survival-Guide-to-the-Parthenon-in-Athens-Greece.jpg)

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Title: Re: 🔥 Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts wa
Post by: azozeo on April 18, 2019, 11:31:24 AM

Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

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Your on glue .........

Show me a god-damn 3D printer that can hustle up white granite structures !

Those structures of grandeur can't be replaced TODAY. I don't care how many Elon Musks you put on the yob-site  :icon_scratch:

You don't use white granite, silly goose.  You use basalt rebar reinforced concrete.  Better structural strength and you can dye and finish the concrete any color or texture you would like.  A lot faster than having stone masons carve granite rocks too.  It will look exactly the same in all the tourist photos, but be more resilient.

What happened here?  You're the one who is always touting techno-solutions.  You think Elon Musk can build a colony on Mars but you can't duplicate (visually) Notre Dame using modern building methods?

RE

Your still on glue .......

You're stating basalt with-stands the sands of time better than white granite. White granite strengthens over time, basalt erodes.
Evidentially, the original copper roof was removed in the past & the current material, possibly 4X8 sheets of glued lam board was in place.

You may want to see the shit job  the vatican did on the Coliseum after its unfortunate demise in the past.

Basically, for the last 384 years there has been an on-slaught of destruction against these antique-tech structures. Very sad indeed.

The basalt is INSIDE the concrete.  It doesn't erode.  The concrete itself lasts a very long time.  The Parthenon has been around longer than Notre Dame.  Stop drinking the anti-freeze and move into the real world and out of 5th Dimensional la-la land.

(https://www.compassandfork.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Your-Survival-Guide-to-the-Parthenon-in-Athens-Greece.jpg)

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The portland cement recipe has NEVA' never been exactly duplicated from back in the day. It's close but not exact. It erodes.....
Define a very long time.

Our U.S. capital building in da' swamp has stood longer than its dome. As we both know the dome was added during Lincoln's era.

The dome has just recently received its 1st face  lift in less than 160 years after construction. The Capitol building needed no restoration.

These old giant white granite structures are simply enormous LEGOS. If Basalt doesn't erode than why wasn't it chosen over white granite.

There are no quarries to support the builds of these antique mega - structures.

No photos (except the Capitol Dome only) of these builds. Prior to photos there are no artistic renderings as well.





Title: Re: 🔥 Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts wa
Post by: RE on April 18, 2019, 11:52:59 AM
The portland cement recipe has NEVA' never been exactly duplicated from back in the day. It's close but not exact. It erodes.....
Define a very long time.

Our U.S. capital building in da' swamp has stood longer than its dome. As we both know the dome was added during Lincoln's era.

The dome has just recently received its 1st face  lift in less than 160 years after construction. The Capitol building needed no restoration.

These old giant white granite structures are simply enormous LEGOS. If Basalt doesn't erode than why wasn't it chosen over white granite.

There are no quarries to support the builds of these antique mega - structures.

No photos (except the Capitol Dome only) of these builds. Prior to photos there are no artistic renderings as well.

As I recall, David South estimated his Monolithic Domes reinforced with Basalt Rebar would last at least 500 years.  That's a decent period of time between rebuilds.  Notre Dame has seen more rebuilds than that already.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRw_uT7VodhoCFePnoBx_B0URPF6lagG4IxGtXAsw1aDAJMRcQulg)

(https://www.monolithic.org/vault/img/2011/05/10/4dc92bbdc29e068473000ec4/large/doah1.jpg)

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/thecomanchechief.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/12/01213ca4-93df-11e7-9bed-3f4ca6d094d9/59b16316b00df.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C900)

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on April 18, 2019, 12:07:18 PM
Nice looking love shacks. I think I've seen these structures on the way to Peach Springs off old Rt. 66.

The point I'm taking is "Do the Job RIGHT the 1st time. Repair & Replace per the blue prints - copper, steel, white granite.

The best homo sushi has to offer in 2019 is half ass ....
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on April 18, 2019, 12:11:45 PM
The best homo sushi has to offer in 2019 is half ass ....

Then why do you believe we can build interstellar starships and colonies on Mars? ???  :icon_scratch:

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on April 18, 2019, 12:24:21 PM
The best homo sushi has to offer in 2019 is half ass ....

Then why do you believe we can build interstellar starships and colonies on Mars? ???  :icon_scratch:

RE

1st of allll.....

There not built, there organically grown & who the fuq wants to go to mars. You on an Elon Comic book mega marathon read.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on April 18, 2019, 12:40:11 PM
The best homo sushi has to offer in 2019 is half ass ....

Then why do you believe we can build interstellar starships and colonies on Mars? ???  :icon_scratch:

RE

1st of allll.....

There not built, there organically grown & who the fuq wants to go to mars. You on an Elon Comic book mega marathon read.

Newz Flash.  There are no "organically grown" starships coming off any production line in this quadrant of the galaxy universe multiverse.  There are however numerous succesful and well built 3D printed structures.  Also 3D printed Gunz.  ;D

(https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/An-early-3D-printed-AR-15-style-rifle-that-fired-200-rounds-640x353.jpg)

You are not terrifically consistent in your theories AZ.

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on April 18, 2019, 12:41:23 PM
David said 1000 years.

They should just tear down the Notre Dame cathedral and let David build a mosque like Saddam Hussein's. (Yes, this was a real thing.)

Probably be a good move. Lots of people think a Muslim torched Notre Dame anyway. Macron would damn sure never admit it, even if it was true.

https://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/why-were-authorities-so-quick-to-rule-out-arson-in-the-notre-dame-conflagration/

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on April 18, 2019, 12:52:47 PM
The best homo sushi has to offer in 2019 is half ass ....

Then why do you believe we can build interstellar starships and colonies on Mars? ???  :icon_scratch:

RE

1st of allll.....

There not built, there organically grown & who the fuq wants to go to mars. You on an Elon Comic book mega marathon read.

Newz Flash.  There are no "organically grown" starships coming off any production line in this quadrant of the galaxy universe multiverse.  There are however numerous succesful and well built 3D printed structures.  Also 3D printed Gunz.  ;D

(https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/An-early-3D-printed-AR-15-style-rifle-that-fired-200-rounds-640x353.jpg)

You are not terrifically consistent in your theories AZ.

RE


Your glue-pot runneth over amigo !

Now were talking polystyrene & card board.

How do we go from unobtainium level white granite to Mattel Inc. level toyz ?
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on April 18, 2019, 02:12:58 PM

Your glue-pot runneth over amigo !

Now were talking polystyrene & card board.

How do we go from unobtainium level white granite to Mattel Inc. level toyz ?

Don't write when you are wasted on ethylene glycol, you embarass yourself.  You don't use polystyrene for printing a gun.  You'll use polycarbonate and/or glass filled polyamide which can also be reinforced with anything from silver to titanium in addition to carbon fiber and glass fiber.

Obviously 3D printing has not made it to the 5th Dimension yet.  Get back to me when you return to earth in this dimension.

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on April 18, 2019, 03:38:23 PM

Your glue-pot runneth over amigo !

Now were talking polystyrene & card board.

How do we go from unobtainium level white granite to Mattel Inc. level toyz ?

Don't write when you are wasted on ethylene glycol, you embarass yourself.  You don't use polystyrene for printing a gun.  You'll use polycarbonate and/or glass filled polyamide which can also be reinforced with anything from silver to titanium in addition to carbon fiber and glass fiber.

Obviously 3D printing has not made it to the 5th Dimension yet.  Get back to me when you return to earth in this dimension.

RE


Well aren't we the Shell answer man today. Where's your lab coat & test tube.

A little side note here...

Your rain in the third is our PISS in 5.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on April 18, 2019, 04:01:20 PM
Well aren't we the Shell answer man today. Where's your lab coat & test tube.

A little side note here...

Your rain in the third is our PISS in 5.

You learn a lot about chemistry when you go to one of the top science research Universities in the world and work as chief lab gnome for Charlie Cantor, one of the world's foremost Biochemists.

Your piss is of no matter to me, I have plenty of umbrellas in the preps.  I even have one that clamps on my cripple cart.  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on April 18, 2019, 05:58:24 PM
Well aren't we the Shell answer man today. Where's your lab coat & test tube.

A little side note here...

Your rain in the third is our PISS in 5.

You learn a lot about chemistry when you go to one of the top science research Universities in the world and work as chief lab gnome for Charlie Cantor, one of the world's foremost Biochemists.

Your piss is of no matter to me, I have plenty of umbrellas in the preps.  I even have one that clamps on my cripple cart.  :icon_sunny:

RE

Was that at Columbia ?

Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on April 18, 2019, 06:03:39 PM
Well aren't we the Shell answer man today. Where's your lab coat & test tube.

A little side note here...

Your rain in the third is our PISS in 5.

You learn a lot about chemistry when you go to one of the top science research Universities in the world and work as chief lab gnome for Charlie Cantor, one of the world's foremost Biochemists.

Your piss is of no matter to me, I have plenty of umbrellas in the preps.  I even have one that clamps on my cripple cart.  :icon_sunny:

RE

Was that at Columbia ?

Yah.

RE
Title: 🔥 As Notre-Dame money rolls in, some eyebrows raised over rush of funds
Post by: RE on April 19, 2019, 12:06:26 AM
Might be nice if some of those $millions$ helped some of the Gilet Jaunes with their taxes...

RE

https://www.aol.com/article/finance/2019/04/18/as-notre-dame-money-rolls-in-some-eyebrows-raised-over-rush-of-funds/23714044/ (https://www.aol.com/article/finance/2019/04/18/as-notre-dame-money-rolls-in-some-eyebrows-raised-over-rush-of-funds/23714044/)

As Notre-Dame money rolls in, some eyebrows raised over rush of funds

http://www.youtube.com/v/922n0Z9VDSQ

Thomson Reuters
Luke Baker and Pascale Denis
Apr 18th 2019 12:44PM

PARIS, April 17 (Reuters) - Pledged donations from French billionaires, companies and ordinary citizens for the restoration of fire-ravaged Notre-Dame cathedral are approaching 900 million euros after just two days, a reflection of the landmark's resonance in the national psyche.

But the outpouring has prompted questions from charities, politicians and commentators about why some of the business donors have offered so much so quickly, including speculation about how they might benefit from tax breaks on the donations.

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People on social media, both in France and abroad, have expressed frustration that other disasters - from the Syrian and Iraq refugee crisis to the Grenfell Tower fire in London - have not received anything like the same degree of support.

The first major donation to Notre-Dame came from Francois-Henri Pinault, the billionaire head of luxury goods group Kering that owns fashion brands Gucci and Saint Laurent.

Pinault, 56, a celebrity figure in part because he is married to actress Salma Hayek, pledged 100 million euros ($113 million) as the blaze was still raging - a decision dictated by emotion, a spokeswoman for his family's holding company said.

Hours later, his great rival Bernard Arnault, France's richest man and the head of Louis Vuitton owner LVMH, announced he was donating 200 million euros, moved by the alarming pictures on TV, according to a group spokesman.

The Bettencourt-Meyer family, the largest shareholder in L'Oreal, followed suit a while later, pledging a combined 200 million euros alongside the global cosmetics group.

Brand and reputation experts said the quick response by some of France's most recognizable corporate titans made sense, especially since the disaster involves a national symbol.

Adrian Palmer, the head of the marketing and reputation faculty at the Henley Business School, said all three billionaire families and their companies were closely aligned with the nation, and benefit from reinforcing the link.

"These brands stand for France and they sell around the world, so anything that puts the France brand at the center of people's minds is going to help them and how they are regarded," he said. "It creates positive associations in people's minds, that they are generous, caring and good."

Online, LVMH's announcement of the donations was met with a host of comments on Twitter, from France and abroad, suggesting the money might be better spent in Africa or combatting climate change than rebuilding a cathedral. Others suggested the generosity was little more than smart marketing.

Palmer said that even from a non-marketing point of view, early offers of support could be beneficial for a company's political positioning. All three firms are broadly supportive of President Emmanuel Macron and want to be seen as helpful with backing for his calls to rebuild.

"Macron has been facing protests," he said, referring to the "yellow vests" street demonstrations against the high cost of living that have rocked France for months. "In a sense the disaster at Notre-Dame has become a unifying issue, so they want to show they are aligned."

 

TAX BREAKS

Still, there has been blowback. Charitable donations benefit from a 60 percent tax deduction in France, which prompted immediate suggestions by critics that Pinault, Arnault and the others were being less magnanimous than initially appeared.

"It's the public that will end up bearing the cost," said Gilles Carrez, a member of parliament for the center-right Les Republicains party, who sits on the finance committee.
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The Pinault family, which was at odds with Macron last year on issues of tax and the president's policies towards the poor, said in a statement on Wednesday it was renouncing any tax advantage it might get from its donation.

LVMH - which had benefited from large tax breaks to build the Louis Vuitton Foundation in western Paris - dismissed the notion it was merely trying to boost its image.

"The only thing at issue here is to try and raise as much funding as possible to address this urgent issue, and that goes beyond any tax or accounting calculations," the LVMH group spokesman said in response to questions from Reuters.

The Bettencourt-Meyer family has declined to comment on its donations.

All three companies and the families behind them are already closely associated with the arts and cultural giving in France, which makes their rapid collective offer of half a billion euros to support a 12th-century Gothic masterpiece less surprising.

"No doubt big brands want to genuinely demonstrate their empathy and show support to the re-building of an artifact that is not just a building but a cultural symbol," said Keith Glanfield, a professor at Aston Business School.

"By some this may be seen as no more than a cynical attempt to sell more product."

 

FROM THE GUT

On Twitter and Facebook, and in the auditorium of the European Parliament, the question was less about whether they and others should give, and more about why such generosity was going towards an old building hit by a disaster in which no one died.

"We are very attached to where Father Pierre's funeral was held," said the Abbe Pierre Foundation, a homelessness charity named after a priest whose 2007 funeral at Notre-Dame was attended by then-President Jacques Chirac.

"But we are equally committed to his cause. If you could contribute even one percent of the amount to the homeless, we would be moved," it said on Twitter.

Speaking to European lawmakers on Tuesday, teenage climate campaigner Greta Thunberg said she did not want to diminish the Notre-Dame fire, but wished there was an equal outpouring of support to combat issues such as climate change.

Markus Renner, a professor of brand management in Switzerland and the founder of the International Brand and Reputation Community, said he was surprised to see Pinault, Arnault and the Bettencourts give so much so quickly.

"Why not wait and find out how much is needed and then step forward?" he said, pointing out that the billionaires and companies could have given the money silently, but chose not to.

"It seems to be a little bit tactical and very much from the gut," he said, adding he doubted whether German companies would step up so promptly if Cologne cathedral burnt down.

If the fire ends up being covered by insurance, the charitable donations may not end up being needed to finance the restoration.

(Additional reporting by Sarah White Writing by Luke Baker Editing by Frances Kerry)
Title: 🔥 Paris police use tear gas against 'yellow vest' protesters
Post by: RE on April 20, 2019, 09:46:34 AM
What else is new?

RE

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/20/world/paris-protests-tear-gas/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/20/world/paris-protests-tear-gas/index.html)

Paris police use tear gas against 'yellow vest' protesters

By Chandrika Narayan, CNN

Updated 12:22 PM ET, Sat April 20, 2019

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(CNN)Riot police unleashed tear gas at the so-called yellow vest protesters in central Paris who marched Saturday for the 23rd consecutive weekend.
The French capital was the scene of chaos as police confronted protesters, who set off small fires. Video shows heavy black smoke in the air. Police also used water cannons to disperse the crowds.
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Protesters take cover from tear gas during an anti-government demonstration called by the "Yellow Vests"
The Paris prosecutor's office said 110 people were placed in police custody.
This is the first demonstration since the devastating fire this week at the Notre Dame cathedral. The Interior Ministry told Reuters that by early afternoon, 9,600 people were demonstrating across France, including 6,700 in Paris.
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The protesters, who chanted, sang and played musical instruments as they marched, are rallying against economic injustice. Some say the hundreds of millions of dollars in donations to rebuild Notre Dame is a glaring sign of the inequalities in the country.
The government had warned protesters that police would use "all means necessary" to stop demonstrations from getting out of control.
More than 60,000 police were deployed across France to deal with the protests, Interior Minister Christophe Castaner said.
So-called &quot;street medics&quot; carry an injured protester amid tear gas.
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There were protests in other cities including Bordeaux, Reuters reports. And police also fired tear gas in the city of Toulouse, where thousands were demonstrating.
The "gilets jaunes," or yellow vest, protests began as a campaign against a gas tax hike, but have morphed into a broader rally against President Emmanuel Macron's government.
Macron had been set to make a televised address to the nation Monday and announce measures to diffuse the unrest. He spoke instead about the Notre Dame blaze.

Macron is now set to make his announcement Thursday, according to Reuters.
In his New Year's address, Macron referred to the movement without naming it. He acknowledged anger against injustice but said hateful speech would not be tolerated, and called on people to respect each other. He also has pledged to increase the minimum wage and scrap new pension taxes to appease the protesters.

Barbara Wojazer and Saskya Vandoorne in Paris have contributed to this report
Title: 🔥 France's Yellow Vest protesters return to the streets enraged by billions ple
Post by: RE on April 21, 2019, 12:46:25 AM
Blowback.

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France's Yellow Vest protesters return to the streets enraged by billions pledged to rebuild Notre Dame
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Billions pledged to rebuild Notre Dame Cathedral fuels protests in Paris

Enraged Yellow Vest protesters clash with police after an outpouring of money to restore the church; Molly Line reports from the scene.

Yellow Vest protestors in Paris battled police during violent clashes Saturday -- newly enraged at the more than billion dollars that have been pledged to rebuild fire-damaged Notre Dame Cathedral, overshadowing their anti-wealth cause.

Black-hooded demonstrators set fire to trash cans, scooters and a car and pelted police with rocks to draw attention anew to their 23rd weekend of protest.
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Many protesters are frustrated that the international effort to help Notre Dame has drawn more attention than their five-month-old Yellow Vest movement against wealth inequality, The Associated Press reported.
A man runs by a burning motorbike during a demonstration in Paris, Saturday.

A man runs by a burning motorbike during a demonstration in Paris, Saturday.  (AP)

Many protesters were deeply saddened by the fire at a national monument. But many are angry at the $1 billion in Notre Dame donations that poured in from tycoons while their own demands remain largely unmet and they struggle to make ends meet.

FRANCE'S YELLOW VESTS: WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY WANT, AND WHY
Police walk among burning vehicles during a Yellow Vest demonstration in Paris, Saturday, April 20, 2019. French Yellow Vest protesters are marching anew to remind the government that rebuilding the fire-ravaged Notre Dame Cathedral isn't the only problem the nation needs to solve.

Police walk among burning vehicles during a Yellow Vest demonstration in Paris, Saturday, April 20, 2019. French Yellow Vest protesters are marching anew to remind the government that rebuilding the fire-ravaged Notre Dame Cathedral isn't the only problem the nation needs to solve. (AP)

Authorities deployed 5,000 police around Paris and warned protesters to keep away from Notre Dame and the banks of the Seine.

The Paris police headquarters said authorities detained 126 people by early afternoon and carried out spot checks of more than 11,000 people trying to enter the capital for Saturday's protests.
Flames burned iconic Notre Dame church for hoursVideo

Police fired tear gas amid tensions at a march of several thousand people from France's Finance Ministry toward the Place de la Republique plaza in eastern Paris. Barricades were set ablaze at one spot, and branches set on fire elsewhere. Firefighters quickly responded to extinguish the flames.

Police in other parts of France reported more Yellow Vest protests Saturday.
A demonstrator throws back a tear gas canister during a Yellow Vest demonstration in Paris, Saturday, April 20, 2019.

A demonstrator throws back a tear gas canister during a Yellow Vest demonstration in Paris, Saturday, April 20, 2019.  (AP)

FRANCE'S MACRON TO RESPOND TO YELLOW VEST ECONOMIC CRISIS

French President Emmanuel Macron plans to announce a new policy push in response to the “Yellow Vest” protest on next week, Reuters reported.
Title: 🔥 Notre Dame fire pledges inflame yellow vest protesters
Post by: RE on April 21, 2019, 09:35:37 AM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/notre-dame-fire-pledges-inflame-yellow-vest-protesters-190420171251402.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/notre-dame-fire-pledges-inflame-yellow-vest-protesters-190420171251402.html)

Notre Dame fire pledges inflame yellow vest protesters


Notre Dame fire pledges inflame yellow vest protesters

Demonstrators criticise donations by billionaires to restore burned cathedral as they march against economic inequality.

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Notre Dame fire pledges inflame yellow vest protesters

Yellow vest demonstrators wave flags as they protest for a 23rd week [Jeff J Mitchell/Getty Images]

Paris, France - Holding signs that read "What about the poor?" and chanting "Justice for all," France's yellow vest protesters, ignoring the displays of unity by the French political class in the wake of the Notre Dame fire, marched through the streets of Paris and other cities on Saturday, vowing to persevere in what they called "Ultimatum 2".

"These [protests] are very important for social justice," said Jean-Baptiste Redde at the Saturday protest on Republique Square in central Paris. "We have to help the poor, the disabled people, those who don't have roofs to live under. It's important to hold on."

Hundreds were arrested and dozens injured as violence broke out between demonstrators and police.

The French capital quickly became the epicentre of Saturday's violence, with 9,000 protesters reported in Paris alone, according to the French Ministry of the Interior, and police sealed off entire sections of the city.

While the protests started out peacefully, almost with a carnival-like atmosphere, violence erupted as thousands of demonstrators approached the Place de la Republique.

People threw rocks at police who responded with tear gas and stun grenades.

With 9,000 protesters, Paris quickly became the epicentre of Saturday's violence [Mustafa Yalcin/Anadolu]

It was the twenty-third demonstration by the loosely organised, disparate movement that is mainly united in its resentment over the lack of economic equality in France and displeasure with President Emmanuel Macron, whom many see as a "president of the rich".

The grassroots movement that started on social media has proven to be one of the biggest tests of Macron's presidency, with protesters refusing to let this week's fire at Notre Dame pause their demonstrations, even as the president and French political parties put aside politics and halted campaigning for the upcoming European Parliament elections.

In fact, in some ways, the fire on Monday inflamed some protesters because of the hundreds of millions of euros raised immediately afterwards to restore the 850-year-old Notre Dame.

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Some of that money was pledged by French billionaires such as French luxury group Kering's CEO Francois-Henri Pinault and LVMH head Bernard Arnault as well as companies such as French oil giant Total.

"I would like us to get back to reality," said Ingrid Levavasseur, one of the informal leaders of the movement, speaking on French BFM TV last week.

Levavasseur said it was important to criticise "the inertia of large companies and [billionaires] in the face of social misery as they display their ability to raise a crazy amount of money in a single night for Notre Dame".

Her comments and others were widely shared on social media. Many agreed.

"If they are able to give tens of millions to rebuild Notre Dame, then they should stop telling us that there is no money to counter social inequality," Philippe Martinez, head of France's CGT workers union, told French radio last week.

The sentiment was reflected on the streets of Paris on Saturday.

"Billions should also be given to the poor, to help the environment, to promote biodiversity," said Redde holding a sign that read, "Millions for Notre Dame - and what about the poor?"

"But Macron and this government only want to help the rich, so we can't stop."

Jean-Baptiste Redde at the Yellow Vest protests in Republique square holds a sign reading 'Millions for Notre Dame - and what about the poor?' [Jabeen Bhatti/Al Jazeera]

'A pointless debate'

The fire at Notre Dame, which is revered by all French people - Catholics, Muslims and Jews - as part of France's cultural and historical legacy, set off a national outpouring of grief.

As a result, the anger at the donations set off a backlash within the government and among the public.

"It is a pointless debate," said Culture Minister Franck Riester, interviewed on RMC radio. "To say, 'there's too much money for Notre Dame and there is need elsewhere' - of course, there is need elsewhere for healthcare, the fight against climate change. But Notre Dame is not only a collection of old stones. It's a part of our identity."

France's Minister of the Interior Christophe Castaner was more pointed.

"The rioters have not been visibly moved by what happened at Notre Dame," he said angrily, shortly before the ministry announced that France would deploy 60,000 police officers on Saturday and prevent any protesters from getting near Notre Dame and the Champs-Elysees where, in March, they set fire to a bank, smashed the front of a renowned restaurant, and looted stores.

It's difficult to say the protests are no longer legitimate because of the Notre Dame fire. Life goes on. And so do the yellow vests.

Jean-Michel Aphatie, political commentator

Meanwhile, the public is already growing weary of the protesters - recent polls show support for the yellow vests has dropped by half from 80 percent. An Odoxa poll released on Friday indicated that a slim majority of French wanted the demonstrations suspended.

"I'm tired of this," a clothing shop owner in the Marais, a major tourist district next to Republique Square, told Al Jazeera privately. "For five months, we have had almost no business - the tourists are not coming here because of the protests."

Notre Dame even gave pause to some within the movement. Many in the movement on Tuesday called for protests to be delayed in deference to the "national tragedy" at Notre Dame.

'Too little, too late'

Monday's fire broke out just an hour before Macron was scheduled to give a televised address detailing a series of policy reforms in response to the yellow vest protesters and their grievances. The speech was cancelled at the last minute and rescheduled for next Thursday.

Even so, copies of the taped speech sent to reporters were leaked. In it, Macron promised to lower taxes for the middle class, reconsider his decision to cut a "fortune solidarity tax" on top earners, and make adjustments to the lowest pensions for inflation.

Macron was also set to announce the closure of the highly prestigious Ecole nationale d'administration, a college that trains public servants. Many have criticised the school as a place reserved for the elite. 

A closed shoe store on Saturday near the busy retail district of the Marais [Jabeen Bhatti/Al Jazeera]

The Odoxa poll showed the majority of French citizens supported these changes. But many yellow vest demonstrators and others continued their chant of "too little, too late" and vowed to continue protesting for weeks to come.

"Pfff - blah, blah, blah," was the reaction of Catherine Lopis when asked about Macron's plans.

"I voted for him (Macron) - had no choice but him or [far-right leader Marine] Le Pen. But he isn't interested in helping anyone other than bankers. Our problems are not his problems so it is easy for him to turn away."

Jerome Rodrigues, a leader in the movement, said on Saturday the postponement of Macron's speech was calculated.

"The world stops turning when there is a fire in France?" he wondered during an interview on French television.

"I think it was a government strategy to get some information leaked to buy time to then better sell us his new programme, changes he wants to make that we are denouncing here at the demonstration."

'Protesters have a point'

"These protests aren't going to end any time soon," said French radio personality and political commentator Jean-Michel Aphatie.

But without concrete goals and a clear leader, Aphatie said the movement is struggling to be effective and bring concrete change.

"The only thing they know for sure is that they want to go out every Saturday to protest," he said, referring to the fact the protests have run continuously every Saturday since November 17, even though they have grown smaller.

Even so, he added the protest did have legitimacy. The French have seen their purchasing power decline over the years and many are struggling to make ends meet.

"It's difficult to say the protests are no longer legitimate because of the Notre Dame fire," Aphatie said. "Life goes on. And so do the Yellow Vests."

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SOURCE: Al Jazeera News

Title: 🔥 Outrage after some French protesters urge police suicides
Post by: RE on April 22, 2019, 12:40:49 AM
Reminds me of the sign from the OWS days...

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Outrage after some French protesters urge police suicides
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A protestor lights a motorbike on fire during a yellow vest demonstration in Paris, Saturday, April 20, 2019. French yellow vest protesters are marching anew to remind the government that rebuilding the fire-ravaged Notre Dame Cathedral isn't the only problem the nation needs to solve. (AP Photo/Michel Euler)

PARIS – With French police suicides on the rise, officials are expressing shock and anger after some yellow vest protesters encouraged police to kill themselves.

Radical protesters have clashed with police nearly every weekend for five months on the margins of largely peaceful yellow vest demonstrations for economic justice.

On Saturday, Associated Press reporters heard some protesters in Paris shouting "Kill yourselves!" at police firing tear gas and rubber projectiles and charging the crowd to contain the violence.

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Police unions denounced the protesters' call, which prompted indignation online. Interior Minister Christophe Castaner called it a "disgrace."

Police unions held silent protests Friday after two officers killed themselves last week. Unions say police ranks have seen 28 suicides so far this year, compared to 68 over all of 2018.
Title: 🔥 Notre Dame is a Whiter Shade of Pale
Post by: RE on April 22, 2019, 09:18:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/Mb3iPP-tHdA
Title: Bees living in hives in cathedral's roof found alive after inferno
Post by: azozeo on April 22, 2019, 12:04:18 PM
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Tens of thousands of bees kept in hives in Notre Dame’s roof survived the devastating fire that ripped through the cathedral.

The 180,000 bees that live in three hives in the cathedral’s roof have been discovered alive, Nicolas Geant, the monument’s beekeeper said.

"I am so relieved. I saw satellite photos that showed the three hives didn't burn. I thought they had gone with the cathedral," he said. 



https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/notre-dame-latest-180000-bees-living-in-hives-in-cathedrals-roof-found-alive-after-inferno-a4122321.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/notre-dame-latest-180000-bees-living-in-hives-in-cathedrals-roof-found-alive-after-inferno-a4122321.html)
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on April 22, 2019, 01:33:44 PM
Tens of thousands of bees is not very many bees. Any healthy hive has 10K bees.

 These stories make it sounds like they had some major apiary...the truth is that someone who was a beekeeper got permission to put a couple of hives up there. And the hives made it.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: RE on April 22, 2019, 02:53:10 PM
Tens of thousands of bees is not very many bees. Any healthy hive has 10K bees.

 These stories make it sounds like they had some major apiary...the truth is that someone who was a beekeeper got permission to put a couple of hives up there. And the hives made it.

180,000 is 18X 10K.  18 hives for one beekeeper seems like a lot to maintain.

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on April 22, 2019, 03:26:41 PM
Tens of thousands of bees is not very many bees. Any healthy hive has 10K bees.

 These stories make it sounds like they had some major apiary...the truth is that someone who was a beekeeper got permission to put a couple of hives up there. And the hives made it.

180,000 is 18X 10K.  18 hives for one beekeeper seems like a lot to maintain.

RE

Langstroth hives, the usual modular boxes most beekeepers use, can contain as many a 60,000 bees in a SINGLE hive. 30,000 is a more likely number for an average hive.

180,000 bees is nothing for an apiary, that might have upwards of 50 boxes.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on April 23, 2019, 05:54:54 PM


Discover one last time the hidden wonders of Notre-Dame de Paris and the lives of the people who worked there. Extract from the movie "At the Heart of Notre-Dame" : One of the most famous icons of one of the most famous cities in the world, the Cathedral of Notre Dame now welcomes more than 13 million visitors a year. This film, with unprecedented access to the inner workings of this most sacred of monuments, tells the story of the building and of those who work in it who are part of a tradition dating back to more than 8 centuries!


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Title: 🌧️ Notre-Dame fire: Rain threatens France's damaged cathedral
Post by: RE on April 24, 2019, 01:04:31 AM
A flood about now would be Biblically appropriate.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48022661 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48022661)

Notre-Dame fire: Rain threatens France's damaged cathedral

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Image caption Protective material has been wrapped around parts of Notre Dame

Architects working on preserving Notre-Dame are rushing to cover the cathedral before rain can cause further damage.

Rain is forecast for the French capital on Wednesday, with further showers predicted for Thursday.

The cathedral's vault, which partly collapsed in the fire, is already partly waterlogged after fire-fighting efforts.

Architects fear that heavy rainfall could result in further collapse of the 800-year-old cathedral.

The chief architect of Notre-Dame , Philippe Villeneuve, told French broadcaster BFMTV that erecting an emergency tarpaulin was "the highest priority".

"The beams are there, the tarpaulin is arriving. The climbers, since it will be climbers who will do that, and the scaffolders, are ready," he said.

There are already plans to erect a large, purpose-built "umbrella" on the roof of the landmark, which will have its own peak and protect the structure while reconstruction takes place.

But the umbrella is not ready - and the threat of impending rain is too serious to wait.

There were fears the 800-year-old cathedral could be completely destroyed during the fierce blaze on 15 April. Firefighters managed to save the structure and much of its interior - but emergency work has been taking place since to stabilise the building.

Three large holes in the cathedral's vault - its arched ceiling - are the most obvious signs of damage. One was made by the collapse of the cathedral's spire.

But its famous rosette stained-glass windows have been covered with protective material and reinforced with timber posts.
What next for Notre-Dame?

French President Emmanuel Macron has vowed to rebuild the symbol of Paris within five years - in time for the Olympics in the city scheduled for 2024.

The cost is likely to be enormous, with hundreds of millions already pledged by individuals and businesses both in France and from around the world.

    How will Notre-Dame cathedral be restored?
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    Bees on Notre-Dame roof survive fire

Prime Minister Édouard Philippe has suggested an international competition for designs for the new spire, to replace the 19th-century design by Eugene Viollet-le-Duc which collapsed.

In the meantime, however, plans are in motion to build a temporary wooden cathedral in the square outside to continue Catholic services on the grounds. The idea which has already earned the approval of Paris mayor Anne Hidalgo.

Notre Dame was already undergoing extensive restoration work when the fire broke out. It is not yet clear if that contributed to the blaze, or what the cause was.

Alongside protecting the cathedral from the rain, the removal of the damaged scaffolding is one of the first steps towards the cathedral's full restoration - a process that could take weeks.
Title: As the gilets jaunes protests rage on, police attempt to straightjacket press
Post by: Surly1 on April 24, 2019, 05:24:40 AM
As the gilets jaunes protests rage on, police attempt to straightjacket the press
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2019/04/gilets-jaunes-protests-rage-police-attempt-straightjacket-press (https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2019/04/gilets-jaunes-protests-rage-police-attempt-straightjacket-press)

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The recent arrest of two journalists at a demonstration is symptomatic of the hostile climate facing journalists in Macron’s France.

As the gilets jaunes protests rage on, police attempt to straightjacket the press
Over the last months the gilets jaunes movement has shone a light on police violence. Some protesters have been mutilated for life by police weapons, and an elderly lady was left with a fractured skull  after police knocked her over at a rally in Nice. Up until now, however, the French police have left the press relatively untouched. But on 20 April, which marked the 23rd consecutive weekend of protests by the gilets jaunes, police arrested two freelance journalists during a demonstration in Paris.

Gaspard Glanz, a reporter for Taranis News, and Alexis Kraland, a freelance journalist, were both filming the march. The police, however, cited their “participation [in] a group planning to commit violence or degradations” as the reason for their arrest. Kraland refused to hand in his camera and was detained for 8 hours; Glanz spent the weekend in jail for raising a middle finger to police officers after one of their grenades almost hit him during the protest.

Journalists and human rights groups keeping count of the alarming number of injuries now estimate that 76 journalists, photographers and videographers have been constrained by police since the first gilets jaunes protest. In Emmanuel Macron’s France, journalists are being arrested and detained for an unlawful time for covering demonstrations.

Unlike Kraland, who was released after a few hours and without sanctions, Glanz was held for 48 hours. This is twice the legal amount of time the police can detain someone without giving a reason. Police have since banned Glanz from covering protests in Paris, including the traditional International Workers' Day march on 1 May, until his trial in October.

The armed forces present at each Saturday protest are there to “prevent violence and ensure the security of the protesters and journalists”, the French interior minister told Agence France-Presse. When journalists are arrested, “which can happen”, he said, it is not because of their status as press, but “because of [their] noted infractions”. Raising a finger to the authorities is puerile at best, as Glanz admitted, but a 48-hour long stay in jail and a ban from the capital’s protest is an officious punishment.

Glanz’s case also underlines the precarity that freelance journalists face when covering this type of demonstration. He was denied the status of journalist because he didn't have a professional card to prove it – a card many independent journalists cannot get if at least half their revenue doesn’t come from a “recognised” media organisation.

Fewer journalists hold a press card each year in France, in part due to the profession’s casualisation, with short-term contracts and freelance work increasingly common. Glanz is a journalist nonetheless, but his lack of professional accreditation led to more trouble. It is easier for the authorities to ostensibly confuse reporters like Glanz with protesters “planning to commit violence or degradations”, and therefore to arrest them.

And because Glanz covers social conflicts and street protests, his name is on the French intelligence services’ “S record”, a watchlist supposedly reserved for terrorists but used by French authorities to keep an eye on radical activist networks. This, in turn, was used to paint him as an extreme left activist attending the protest out of his own political convictions rather than to report on the news.

Glanz’s case is symptomatic of an alarming situation for French journalists. Media unions and Reporters Without Borders, a non-profit organisation, are warning of “violations of the freedom of the press.” Catherine Monnet, deputy chief editor at Reporter Without Borders, told AFP that these arrests were “contrary to the right and the freedom of information”: “Journalists must be able to cover these protests freely, to report on them and on the acts of the protesters and the police”, she added. Since Glanz’s detainment, journalist societies – journalist unions – from Le Monde, Libération, France Télévision and Médiapart have spoken publicly in defence of Glanz, denouncing the “deafening silence of the ministry of information and communications, supposed to defend the freedom of the press”.

“We are starting to wonder whether there is a determined will to intimidate journalists, especially photographers, on the ground. We are under the impression that some are being targeted,” Vincent Lanier, from the media union SNJ, told Le Monde. “This is a very slippery slope for freedom of information. It is the freedom of the press that is endangered”, he added.

The independent news website StreetPress has called for a “boycott of government communication” in response to Glanz and Kraland’s arrests: “These are not isolated events. They are part of a global context of violation of the freedom of the press since the start of the current presidency.” Indeed, from deferential interviews to choosing which journalists can attend presidential visits to the closure of the Elysée press room, Macron’s presidency, which is not yet two years old, will not be remembered for its fierce defence of the press.

Shortly after his release, Glanz said he will cover the upcoming protests despite his ban. He warned that a “very serious point of no return” has been reached, assessing the changing relationship of a two-faced police towards the press: “When we were filming their units during the Strasbourg attacks, they were proud to show their shields to the camera, we were helping their promotion. But when we show police violence, the truth of what happens in Paris, then we’re banned from filming. Because we could show things that must not be seen.”
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on April 24, 2019, 02:20:06 PM
Tens of thousands of bees is not very many bees. Any healthy hive has 10K bees.

 These stories make it sounds like they had some major apiary...the truth is that someone who was a beekeeper got permission to put a couple of hives up there. And the hives made it.

180,000 is 18X 10K.  18 hives for one beekeeper seems like a lot to maintain.

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Langstroth hives, the usual modular boxes most beekeepers use, can contain as many a 60,000 bees in a SINGLE hive. 30,000 is a more likely number for an average hive.

180,000 bees is nothing for an apiary, that might have upwards of 50 boxes.




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No apiaries amigo....

Gargoyles neck. What a wild honey flavor, Gray Granite Gargoyle   :icon_sunny:





Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: Eddie on April 24, 2019, 03:46:54 PM
That's a swarm. They will swarm until they arrive somehow (the real mechanism is not known) at a decision to move to a new place to build a hive. When they know, they will fly there and start over.


 In a city like Paris, that might be in somebody's attic. I had to have professionals remove a hive from my house in West Austin. It was a big deal.
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on April 24, 2019, 04:41:50 PM
That's a swarm. They will swarm until they arrive somehow (the real mechanism is not known) at a decision to move to a new place to build a hive. When they know, they will fly there and start over.


 In a city like Paris, that might be in somebody's attic. I had to have professionals remove a hive from my house in West Austin. It was a big deal.

I was being funny.

Kathy & I had the same thing happen here a couple years back. A swarm set up shop in the apricot tree for a couple days & then moved on.
With the auto refill water dish sitting out back for the critter kingdom we've had em' all. Mule Deer, Puma, Coyotes. No bear yet, thank God.
Title: 🔥 France's Macron responds to yellow vests with promise of reforms
Post by: RE on April 26, 2019, 03:07:20 AM
"Reforms." Right.  ::)

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48059063 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48059063)

France's Macron responds to yellow vests with promise of reforms

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Image caption Emmanuel Macron made the live address at the Elysee Palace

French President Emmanuel Macron has given a long-awaited response to the yellow vest protest movement with promises of tax cuts, higher pensions and a reform of the civil service.

Despite insisting that order must return, he acknowledged a "lack of trust" in the establishment.

Protests, sometimes violent, started in November over rises in fuel costs but widened to cover a range of grievances over economic inequality.

Mr Macron said he stood by his reforms.

His speech was originally scheduled for 15 April but was postponed after the devastating fire at Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris.

President Macron recognised that at the core of the movement were "fair demands".

The protests against the fuel price rises - intended to fund eco-friendly projects - escalated into the gilets jaunes, or yellow vest, movement, a national uprising against what protesters see as economic injustice in France.
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Image caption The yellow vest movement spread across the whole of France as well as some parts of the UK

When he was elected in 2017, Mr Macron vowed to fight "the forces of division that undermine France".

    Yellow vest violence returns to Paris
    Who are the 'gilets jaunes'?

Although he questioned in his speech whether he had taken a "wrong turn", he insisted that government reforms so far had been right, but not fast enough.
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The president said he had "learnt a lot" from national debates held with French citizens across the country - an unforeseen political exercise.

His plans include:

    A "significant cut" in income tax worth €5bn (£4.3bn; $5.6bn), financed by spending cuts and closing company tax loopholes, but the French will have to "work harder"
    Reintroduction of inflation-linking for pensions worth less than €2,000 a month but more working life spent making pension contributions
    More decentralised government
    Extending proportional representation in elections, and making referendums easier to hold
    Abolition of the ENA university, which has trained political leaders and captains of industry but is seen as elitist by many

The president also acknowledged there were concerns in society regarding climate change and immigration.

The president's announcement is the culmination of what was touted as a "grand debate" with the French people about their concerns.

The latest proposals come on top of changes announced in December at a cost of €10bn.

Those plans, including a government bonus scheme for the low-paid, failed to quell the protests.
A speech for France, not the yellow vests

Yes, there were announcements.

More PR at elections (good news for the far right); fewer MPs; lower income tax for the middle classes; reform (but perhaps not outright abolition) of the National Administration School (ENA); decentralisation of the state administration; longer working lives.

And yes, there was partial admission of responsibility for the breakdown of trust between governed and governing that led to the yellow vests. He should have been more human, less arrogant, Mr Macron admitted.

But such was not the burden from tonight's marathon press conference.

The overall message was not what must now change, but what must remain the same. And that, says Mr Macron, is the overarching "orientation" of his presidency. The reforms enacted so far, on tax, labour and education, are the right ones and they are working, he said. There will be more to come.

The yellow vests, or the more hard-line among them, will not like it. But they are not Mr Macron's target audience. The target is France as a whole.
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Post by: RE on May 02, 2019, 12:40:26 AM
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The Yellow Vests Are Just The Start Of The Global Working Class Revolution That’s Underway
May 1, 2019

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Dateline: 30 April 2019

In December of 1999, the lefty cartoonist Dan Perkins (pen name “Tom Tomorrow”) ended a cartoon with these words:

What can you do? You don’t matter. Your vote doesn’t matter. Your protests don’t matter. Go ahead, march in the streets and chant your little slogans. The political sophisticates and media elites will smirk at your naivete, your misguided nostalgia for the sixties, and then they will steer the conversation back to the stock market or the fabulous new restaurant they’ve recently discovered. They’re not worried about you.

And yet…something extraordinary just happened in Seattle. Demonstrators took to the streets and made their voices heard-and it made a difference. The media were forced to address issues they had previously swept under the rug, to explain why anyone could possibly be opposed to unfettered global capitalism. In a few short days, the entire debate was altered, perhaps irrevocably.

You know something’s wrong. Maybe it’s time to start making some noise about it. Happy new millennium.

Twenty years later, the brief moment of hope for working class revolution that Perkins described has become a routine occurrence. Almost every week since November of last year, France’s Yellow Vests have been agitating in the streets for the restoration of social benefits, livable wages, taxing the rich, climate action, and (according to a Yellow Vests assembly from this month) the abolition of capitalism. As the Yellow Vests in France continue to demand change amid violence from police and attacks from the media, similar rebellions are happening around the world.

Additional Yellow Vest movements have happened worldwide, from Russia to Canada to many countries throughout Europe. America’s lack of such a mass protest effort is clearly only temporary, as the United States is brimming with the same revolutionary energy that’s appearing in much of the rest of the world. This year, strike action in the U.S. has hit a 32 year high as its teacher strikes have escalated. Around the U.S. the Poor People’s Campaign has been using civil disobedience protests to continue Martin Luther King Jr’s vision for a just society. Similar rebellions are underway in seemingly every other place where poor and working people are oppressed, with examples ranging from the additional teacher strikes in Europe to the anti-government protests in Algeria to the massive recent communist-led general strike in India.
Additional Yellow Vest movements have happened worldwide, from Russia to Canada to many countries throughout Europe. America’s lack of such a mass protest effort is clearly only temporary, as the United States is brimming with the same revolutionary energy that’s appearing in much of the rest of the world.

These events make up the first stage of a revolutionary period that the capitalist world has entered into. Resistance efforts against corporate power are overall much more frequent than they were just a few years ago, and we have every reason to expect the class struggle to keep accelerating in the coming years. This is because unlike during the time of the WTO protests, the victims of global capitalism have reached their breaking point.

In America most of all, inequality has been steadily increasing throughout the developed world for almost half a century. Those in the more wealthy countries have seen their living standards decline to the point where in the United States alone, half the population is poor by modern standards. The global concentration of wealth has also led to increased poverty in the poorer nations, with NAFTA having devastated Mexico’s economy and similar damage having been done to the Latin American countries where neoliberal reforms have taken place. The imperialist powers have long carried out corporate looting in the global south, but now that inequality has risen so much in both parts of the world, ordinary people in the dominating nations have a shared sense of victimhood with their counterparts in the foreign sweatshops.

With the capitalist world’s extremely debt-ridden and unstable economic system heading for a crash that will likely be worse than the one from 2008, this restlessness among the lower classes is no doubt going to keep intensifying in the coming years. Unemployment, lowered wages, consumer debt, slashed social benefits, and government handouts for the rich will all explode after the next financial crisis, and this will drive more people to get out and fight for their rights.

But while it’s certain that the next decade will see great efforts to reject the current system, a vision for what we want society to look like next hasn’t yet been adequately articulated. This clarification of our collective goal for the future is where the anti-capitalist movement will be needed. We can’t water down our demands and accept a setup where capitalism continues with some reforms. We need to infuse our protests with an explicitly pro-socialist message, which can be articulated through signs at demonstrations, posts on blogs and social media, and public statements on behalf of the protesters. The world’s poor and working people must unite under an agenda which includes taking the means of production away from the capitalist class.

If this movement is equipped with the aspects that have been historically needed for socialist revolutions-such as an armed population of revolutionaries and strong institutions to support the people’s struggle-we’ll have a much better chance at defeating capitalism. Like all ruling classes, the capitalists won’t give up their power willingly, and they’re demonstrating this by preparing to violently crush a rebellion. President Trump’s declarations of global war on socialism are backed by the power of America’s security apparatus and militarized police departments. And Trump’s statement last month about his supporters potentially carrying out violence on his behalf showed that he and the rest of the ruling class are willing to use military force to defend their power. We’re committing ourselves to a power struggle where violence should be avoided as much as possible, but which will no doubt entail violence because of the violent nature of the people in power.

In short, this revolution will require a lot more than mere street marches. But as Perkins assessed about the WTO protests, any act of resistance can have an impact. And we’ve entered an era where acts of resistance are reaching a tipping point.
This essay is part of our special series

Closing words
Like vampires fearing light, capitalists elites have always been afraid of the socialist demonstration effect. A huge and constant effort is aimed at “showing” that socialism doesn’t work, that it is tyrannical, inefficient, etc. Thus sabotaging and killing socialism wherever it may arise —Russia, China, Korea, Venezuela, Chile—by any means necessary, no matter how brutal and dishonest, is therefore standing policy. But socialist solutions work. And Medicare for All would show everyone in America, the key capitalist fortress, that many of our nightmares can easily vanish under socialism. For the capitalists and their hanger-ons it would be a Pandora’s box.—P. Greanville

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Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: K-Dog on May 02, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
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Like vampires fearing light, capitalists elites have always been afraid of the socialist demonstration effect. A huge and constant effort is aimed at “showing” that socialism doesn’t work, that it is tyrannical, inefficient, etc. Thus sabotaging and killing socialism wherever it may arise —Russia, China, Korea, Venezuela, Chile—by any means necessary, no matter how brutal and dishonest, is therefore standing policy. But socialist solutions work. And Medicare for All would show everyone in America, the key capitalist fortress, that many of our nightmares can easily vanish under socialism. For the capitalists and their hanger-ons it would be a Pandora’s box.—P. Greanville

That may be true enough but it is not on the news.  The lies are on the news.  It was May Day I understand.  I used red text on my website yesterday too.  But this article is fairy tale optimistic.  The truth is WTO won and all the little acts of resistance have not amounted to shit.
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The Yellow Vest Salpêtrière Hospital hoax: I reported live from there as it happened
May 6, 2019

HELP ENLIGHTEN YOUR FELLOWS. BE SURE TO PASS THIS ON. SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON IT.

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The French government has been forced to shamefully admit that they made totally false accusations that May Day Yellow Vest anti-government protesters tried to break into the Pitié Salpêtrière Hospital in order to “attack”, “assault” and “steal”. Countless mainstream media are just as covered in ignominy for having repeated these untrue claims.

I was right there when it happened, covering it for PressTV, so I witnessed exactly what transpired.

In fact, I even gave a live interview at the exact time of the incident, just after 4pm. I don’t have a copy of that for now, but I hope to get one soon: certainly, I can explain what happened and why.

Why it happened: A new rule permitting even worse police brutality against Yellow Vests
May 1st was the debut of a new policing tactic: cops can initiate violence against peaceful protesters.  It is just that objectively simple, openly discussed, and easy to explain:

Cops are now using the age-old method of “divide and conquer”… on peaceful protesters. On May 1st a line of riot cops repeatedly charged the demonstrators in order to sever them into two, more manageable sections. One section of the protest is forced to advance, while the other section is forced to wait behind.

Of course, police are not watching their elbows and politely saying, “Excuse me” – the only way to stop peaceful demonstrators from moving is to violently get in their way and then violently bar them from advancing one more step. That is “initiating violence”, and they didn’t used to do that with the regularity we saw on May 1.

The cops did this at the start of the demonstration at 2pm, and to achieve their goal of cutting the demo into two sides they gassed about 5-8,000 people. I was doing a live interview at that time as well (I don’t have a copy of that one, but I do have others from that day, read on for the link!). It was so violent and so shocking – tear gas forcing thousands of people to flee – that I had to talk (yell) for 20+ minutes live, giving myself a temporary headache. We almost had to turn and run, but we stood our ground: I take no credit, of course, but when cops advanced as far as journalists reporting live they finally relented and let the demonstration proceed, as they had set up an unprecedented, shockingly-narrow, cop-filled corridor tens of thousands of people had to slowly pass through. Happy International Workers’ Day!

Back to 4pm: the cops again cut the demonstration, and they did so right in front of the hospital. So, firstly, if anyone is at fault for putting the hospital in the line of fire it is the riot cops because they chose to re-initiate violence at that particular spot.

Why that spot? Because Boulevard de l’Hôpital was the final straightaway until the end of the protest – the roundabout Place d’Italie: the government’s new tactic also meant they wanted to allow the first group of protesters (the most hard core) to enter Place d’Italie all alone… so they could be gassed, attacked and cleared out before for the next section of protesters arrived. Gas, attack and clear out; gas, attack and clear out Place d’Italie – this happened three times (in my estimation, but I was only there for numbers 2 and 3). This is the result of the new, so called “more offensive” police tactics.
Why do that? Because the government did not want the protest – 40,000 strong – to finish together, in celebration. The government was threatened by this large gathering, so they simply did not allow it to happen.

This explains why when I finally got to Place d’Italie it was a bizarre, desolate, damaged ghost town. Construction barricades had been toppled and damaged, along with advertisements and bus stops, there was garbage, glass and tear gas canisters everywhere… yet no people. Just an empty Place d’Italie, surrounded by cops at all eight exits.

Allow me to say this: I have never seen more cops that day in Paris. This was a city under foreign occupation, truly.
Entire regions of the city were rendered inaccessible to citizens, with armored vehicles and enormous temporary, metal gates blocking off road after road after road. But the number of cops… staggering. There was a squadron of riot police every 200 meters along the demonstration route, which was limited to a tiny section; so small, in fact, that I started my day at Place d’Italie at 11 am, covering the first demo (ecological protesters, of course, who only want to make their stupid complaints and then leave – quite pleased with themselves – before the violence starts), only to return there at the end of the day. Yes, it was back and forth along the only, narrow, permitted path to celebrate International Workers’ Day in the “birthplace of human rights”. This is why there was not more violence that day – cops were everywhere.

But wait, it’s worse! I actually drove in from 130 kilometers outside Paris that day: there were rural gendarmes searching cars and people (without warrants, based only on suspicion) at every toll booth and gas station. They waved me through, each time, without searching me.

What went down at the hospital
So the cops cut the demo at 14h, the start, and then they did it at again at 16h. I was in the group forced to wait behind, stuck in front of the hospital, as the first group was getting their butts kicked at Place d’Italie while waiting for comrades who would never be allowed to join them. May 1st was a demonstration in stages, and only in certain places – certainly not “freedom of assembly”.

So to cut the demo into two means to separate friends from each other – that creates anger. The cops have no fear of provoking anger because they have tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons, truncheons and the power to arrest against totally unarmed protesters… and that’s exactly what they did at 16h.

It was a rough 30 minutes. I was at the front lines and I’ve seen worse in France, but it was no picnic either.
Cops launched tear gas first, as always, to repel the protesters from the separation line they were undemocratically enforcing. Tear gas, then water cannons, and then hand-to-hand combat – it’s the same thing I’ve seen since 2010, but I assume this existed in France long before then: this is the culture here.

So, via tear gas, cops caused a third of the protesters to flee into a side street (Rue des Wallons), while another third fled further back on the Boulevard de l’Hôpitaux, while the final third was pushed against the side gates of the now-infamous Hôpitaux Universitaires Pitié Salpêtrière. This is where the cops made their mistake (although this is all mistakes in preserving citizen security): they tear-gassed protesters who had nowhere else to go. Some panicked protesters somehow got through the side gates and entered into the hospital grounds.

And it was “panicked protesters” – subsequent videos have proven that it was not “Black Bloc” nor even Yellow Vests who forced their way into the hospital. The only people who actually made it into the hospital were just two elderly men who said they had been “tear gassed all day”. The video has made the government and the mainstream media appear even more terrible and pathetic. Not much more needs to be said…

More interesting: Why even try to get into the hospital? It’s a stupid move, like running upstairs in a horror movie – you have nowhere to go; you are sure to be arrested and/or abused. But those protesters couldn’t think that far ahead, because they were frightened, gassed, hurt, simple everyday citizens and not Black Bloc, cops or that other group which straddles both those groups – journalists.

Of course, there were no TV reporters during this long melee. There were plenty of photographers and some cameramen, and surely some print reporters, but not any TV reporters. Maybe all these journalists were working for a company, or maybe they were working for independent Yellow Vest blogs – who can tell? However, as is often the case at the front lines, I was the only one with a logo and doing a live interview.

I take that back: a lady for Italy’s RAI was there during all this. She was doing her “piece to camera”, the little wrap-up for a TV report – not a live interview. Major kudos, though.

French media on the front line? Ha! Dream on!
I don’t know why – they could be. They could hire 3 security guards (instead of the usual 1 or 2), and then 3 ombudsman to explain to (very likely angry and confrontational) protesters, “We are here now! We are trying to do a good job for France! Don’t get violent with us, please!” Maybe that’s naïve of me, but totally hiding from the front line – hiding the reality of what’s going on at the front lines for everyday citizens, such as those trapped at Hospital Pitié Salpêtrière – only further ruins the reputation of French media within France. Don’t they feel an obligation to report on such an event properly… in their own damned country?!

And then they so quickly relay whatever the government wildly claims without any verification. Oh boy….

Please stop the tear gas – I’m live on TV
The hand-to-hand combat: Tougher protesters had wanted to… keep marching. That’s all. But riot police violence prevented them and attacked them – so they fought back.

Such “resistance” is really quite, quite stupid, I think – I mean, both sides keep the kid gloves on. And thank God, because it’s not even close to a fair fight: every square inch of the bodies of cops are protected with 8,000 euros worth of equipment; cops have been searching for weapons from a 130 kilometer-wide radius around Paris, so nothing can even the playing field; protesters have none of the cops tactical knowledge, organization or discipline. Hand-to-hand means a cat and mouse game and very quick skirmishes.

I recall that, amid the melee, there was a teenager dressed in black tossing a rock up and down, like a gangster flipping a quarter on a street corner.

Stupid….
A plainclothes cop – dressed as if he was a fellow Black Bloc member – dropped his phony act: he grabbed the kid and threw him to the ground with 100% of his force. Hey, the kid was holding a rock like a weapon and looking like he was about to use it – the kid was dead to rights, and by showing off he gave the cops time to think and react. As they dragged him away I thought: Poor kid – he’s going to prison for a year or so. Some might be surprised that a cop would – gasp! – dress up as a Black Bloc member: Why that never happens! Yeah, sure…

Anyway, about a minute later – amazingly – the kid actually breaks free! He’s running away!

But a cop trips him up and the first, arresting officer hits the kid on the ground on his thigh with his telescopic truncheon as hard as anything you can imagine. Punches sound nothing like they do in movies, of course, but the sound of this hit was enormous. If the cop had hit the kid’s knee it would have been shattered – thankfully, the human femur is stronger than concrete. The kid surely has a nasty, nasty mark and a limp today.

Good ending: The kid still jumped the short garden fence on the west side of the Boulevard and got away. LOL… kids.
While watching this I overheard protesters talking about how cops had just fired rubber bullets. I didn’t hear or see the bullets, so I can’t 100% confirm that it occurred then, but rubber bullets have obviously become a regular feature of French protests.

During this whole time I am dodging all this and waiting to go live on (smartphone) camera. My cameraman is dodging too. PressTV, which doesn’t seem to understand that I am avoiding the wild crowd along the hospital gate, the arrests and beatings across from the gate, and the cops further up the boulevard who can attack, gas or water cannon us at any moment, keeps pushing us back because they want a “stable shot”. LOL, yeah right. Amid this fluid situation?! Where I was just “stable” a rock just landed!

They want me to stand there – stock still – amid this violence, LOL. Just put me on air, already!

But PressTV is still waiting – I move to the side of hospital gate. Cops gas there again. I’m not going in the hospital grounds, but some do. Various ministers, reporters and know-nothings at home will soon be calling them bad little boys and girls… until the truth comes out.

One has to realize that during a bad gassing there is only one thought: get away from the gas. Certainly, LOL, you cannot do a single other thing until you complete that task.

Then there is – maybe – a second thought: if cops charge and attack now, I am totally helpless and done for.

That’s why ya gotta know these things, and avoid being right where the gassings land; ya gotta think a step or two ahead; ya gotta not celebrate your survival, as if it was some huge victory, because more gas (or worse) is coming. It takes time to learn this stuff – a couple dozen people haven’t had good luck and lost an eye, while over 600 have been seriously injured. Reminder: the weekly anti-Yellow Vest violence is nearing a half-year now! A half-year!!!

Anyway, I get away from the re-gassed hospital gate, and PressTV finally puts me on the air. I’m thrilled, because I want to get this live interview over with. So, I’m between the line of cops higher up Boulevard de l’Hôpitaux, and across from the hospital (Rue des Wallons) where the cat-and-mouse, will-they-or-won’t they is taking place, and I’m doing my live blah blah.

Blah blah is done, and all is well. I had been gassed several times in 30 minutes – medics kindly spraying my face with cooling solvent at one point – but I could tell the fight was ending, as it can’t go on forever. The cops finally get the order to pull back and stop antagonizing and attacking this section of the protest.

I didn’t know this at the time, but they had gotten these orders only because they had sufficiently gassed, attacked and cleared out the first protest section at Place d’Italie.

The protesters are thrilled – they have “won”… by not losing an eye or being arrested. Little victories for the oppressed masses. Cops are slowly pulling back, and the protesters all congregate in front of a group riot cops and start singing a chant. I forget what – On est la (We are here), probably.

Stupid. (But I did join in for a short minute.)

They’re just going to get gassed again. I tell my cameraman that this is not the place to be – indeed, it’s all about knowing where’s the place to NOT be! The crowd is singing louder, and it reaches a point where it’s either dance or fight, and the French don’t dance even though they are a Latin culture. Therefore, I know that someone in the crowd is going to do something to offend or antagonize the cops – or the cops will just get annoyed at the crowd’s sense of triumph – and gas will arrive shortly. Everyone is celebrating, but we are moving… and more gas arrived where we had just been. I had gotten my fair share of abuse by then.

Thanks to my press card the cops let us through and we enter Place d’Italie early.

Hey, I am not obligated to document and witness every tear gassing! LOL, this is France – that’s impossible. And there are other journalists, both good ones and bad ones.

This was the exact time when a cop was filmed throwing a rock at protesters, which is generating some news. Indeed, as we had passed the police line I had noticed that up and down Boulevard de l’Hôpitaux protesters had pried off chunks of road asphalt – they are being attacked and have no weapons, let’s recall. Nothing will happen to that cop, who should be fired immediately. It is ABSOLUTELY the primary part of the job description of a “riot cop” to take punches and not give them… but that’s only in a country which is honest, which enforces law and order, which doesn’t sic the cops on the protesters, etc.
Place d’Italie is totally empty, except for a thousand or so cops, and it’s a wreck. Me and my cameraman speculate on the possibility of an alien abduction of the first protest group.

The protest section we were with starts to filter in: we’re all gassed immediately.

That pushes us to one side of the roundabout, and that allows cops to push them all out. Ah, so there probably wasn’t an alien abduction? Coulda been nice, maybe…

We stay, because we have an interview at 18h.

So it’s 18h and here I am – getting gassed live on camera again (6:50 mark). The wind had shifted and it was on us quickly… but I have a tolerance to tear gas after all these years.

PressTV takes me off camera… that’s so annoying. What am I getting gassed for, then? We want to show the sufferings of the people – so show it! If we aren’t going to show it, then I can just stay in back with all the other journalists!!!

But ya gotta be at the front – at least sometimes. Protesters gotta see professional journalists are there to (somewhat) protect them, and cops gotta see that professional journalists are there to document what they do.

It’s a real shame more reporters aren’t doing live reports from the front lines, because cops know they can’t do anything to anyone on live TV – they surely are forced to rein in their violent tactics. It’s a real shame mainstream reporters (and I include PressTV with them, in a rare instance) aren’t going to the front line. Again, I am no courageous guy, I just feel that the Yellow Vests are nothing new: France’s Yellow Vests: It’s just 1 protest…which has lasted 8 years, was the first article I wrote on the Yellow Vests, and it stresses that this violence against peaceful protesters is absolutely, positively nothing new.

I’ve seen these “battles” before many, many times – and I think I know how to safely handle it. Knock wood for luck, but experience gives everyone – a reporter, a Black Bloc member, a cop – a sixth sense, and a genuine ability to predict what comes next because it is all rather formulaic (although not on May 1). I know I am not courageous, because I would never put my cameraman at risk; more importantly, I would never put his expensive camera at risk, and that shows you how well-paid we are when the camera is the utmost priority! No joke…

But French TV reporters weren’t at the front lines with the rail workers, with anti-State of Emergency protesters, with the “you can’t ban pro-Palestinian marches” protesters, and on and on and on in France since 2010.

That was, I assume, the last gassing of the day because right when I am gassed live you can see that unions and their fancy floats are starting to arrive – no more poor Yellow Vests.

Unions, of course, have signed off on every major austerity measure since 2010, and are incredibly easy to “divide and conquer” with targeted concessions… so cops surely just wanted to give them a nice Place d’Italie to stand around, talk loud and say nuthin’. This is why many Yellow Vests don’t want to march with unions, even on May Day.

At that point I left to go and do our report for that day.

All in all – not a bad day
I was expecting May Day to be bad – I was honestly concerned, as I do have things to live for besides these articles, you know – and it was pretty bad.

But it was only bad at the start and the finish – the massive, massive, massive police presence all along the route made any sort of “permanent shenanigans” impossible. That filtering corridor after the first protest-separating was appalling. May Day 2019 in France was like holding a march during a North Korean military parade, minus the great choreographed dances and true socialism.

It was also bad because it is much safer when the cops are playing defense, as they are supposed to always be doing, but on May Day they were playing offense. They have all the weapons, all the tactics, all the legal ability to whatever they want… and then a reporter – who invariably finds his or herself on both sides of the front line – has to worry about the cops, and also about rocks being thrown in his direction (at the cops). Whereas on a day like March 16, the last time the Champs- Élysées was a scene of civil disobedience, things are perfectly safe because everyone knows who the Yellow Vests are targeting and why. Cops… they can do whatever they want, and whenever they want – they respect nothing.

French reporters need to be at the front lines… but they aren’t. I’m sure editors tell them not to, and that they are told that by their publishers. But that’s why we got nonsense reporting which initially accused May Day protesters of breaking into a hospital to… do what? Burn, pillage and behead? Yeah, right…

Frankly, this new tactic of “initiate violence in order to divide and conquer peaceful protesters” is something which I can’t see the Yellow Vests being able to combat… but that’s the subject of a future article.

This is part of a series of dispatches by correspondent Ramin Mazaheri

About the author
RAMIN MAZAHERI, Senior Correspondent & Contributing Editor, Dispatch from Paris •  Mazaheri is the chief correspondent in Paris for Press TV and has lived in France since 2009. He has been a daily newspaper reporter in the US, and has reported from Iran, Cuba, Egypt, Tunisia, South Korea and elsewhere. He is the author of I’ll Ruin Everything You Are: Ending Western Propaganda on Red China. His work has also appeared in various journals, magazines and websites, as well as on radio and television. He can be reached on Facebook.
Title: Reward offered for deciphering centuries-old French stone
Post by: azozeo on May 14, 2019, 04:07:32 PM

Could you decipher a semi-ancient code from a centuries-old stone? A French village is offering a reward to do just that. A €2,000 reward to be exact (about $2,246 at the date of publishing). A 230-year-old stone found off a cove off of a village outside of the village of Plougastel in Brittany contains 20 lines of script that no one to date has been able to decipher, and the French are asking for help in deciphering it.

Called “The Champollion Mystery at Plougastel-Daoulas,” the challenge pays tribute to the person who deciphered ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics on the Rosetta Stone, Jean-François Champollion, in the nineteenth century.

The stone, about a meter tall, is only accessible through the cove, and only at low tide. Researchers have dated the stone to just a few years before the French Revolution.


https://www.ancient-code.com/reward-french-stone/ (https://www.ancient-code.com/reward-french-stone/)
Title: Can Medieval Artisans From Guédelon Help Rebuild Notre-Dame?
Post by: azozeo on May 17, 2019, 02:54:49 PM


6 MAY, 2019 –

ED WHELAN

 

The world was shocked by the sight of Notre Dame Cathedral burning .  It prompted many people to think about their heritage and reminded them of how we take the great works of the past for granted. The French government is committed to fully restoring the Cathedral and this is going to be a massive undertaking.

Although the skilled artisans for such a project are in short supply, the workers for the restoration could well be found in Guédelon, Burgundy. Here there is a unique scheme, where craft persons are building a 13 th century castle, using medieval tools, designs, and techniques.
The burning of Notre Dame

A massive conflagration engulfed the Cathedral, in central Paris, which is one of the best known and most popular attractions in all France. The fire led to the collapse of the spire and the roof, but the structure of the Cathedral and its bell-towers were saved. Brave firefighters saved the building from total destruction and many volunteers saved precious artworks .

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-general/guedelon-0011865 (https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-general/guedelon-0011865)
Title: Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
Post by: azozeo on May 18, 2019, 07:16:44 PM

Saved by the firefighters during the tragic night of Tuesday, the sacred Relics of Notre-Dame are some of the most treasurable. Extract from the movie "At the Heart of Notre-Dame" : One of the most famous icons of one of the most famous cities in the world, the Cathedral of Notre Dame now welcomes more than 13 million visitors a year. This film, with unprecedented access to the inner workings of this most sacred of monuments, tells the story of the building and of those who work in it who are part of a tradition dating back to more than 8 centuries!

One such relic is "thee" crown of thorns .....



http://www.youtube.com/v/vsc_zqfeY5g&fs=1
Title: 🔥 The Yellow Vests of France: Six Months of Struggle
Post by: RE on May 23, 2019, 01:11:36 AM
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/05/20/the-yellow-vests-of-france-six-months-of-struggle/ (https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/05/20/the-yellow-vests-of-france-six-months-of-struggle/)

The Yellow Vests of France: Six Months of Struggle
May 20, 2019
Another important dispatch from The Greanville Post. Be sure to share it widely.

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I am writing you from Montpellier, France, where I am a participant-observer in the Yellow Vest (Gilets jaunes) movement, which is still going strong after six months, despite a dearth of information in the international media.

But why should you take the time to learn more about the Yellow Vests? The answer is that France has for more than two centuries been the classic model for social innovation, and this unique, original social movement has enormous international significance. The Yellow Vests have already succeeded in shattering the capitalist myth of ‘representative democracy’ in the age of neoliberalism. Their uprising has unmasked the lies and violence of republican government, as well as the duplicity of representative institutions like political parties, bureaucratic unions, and the mainstream media.

Moreover, the Yellow Vests represent the first time in history that a spontaneous, self-organized social movement has ever held out for half a year in spite of repression, while retaining its autonomy, resisting cooptation, bureaucratization and sectarian splits. All the while, standing up to full-scale government repression and targeted propaganda, it poses a real, human alternative to the dehumanization of society under the rule of the capitalist ‘market’.
A Different Kind of Uprising

Six months ago, on November 17, 2018, Yellow Vests burst ‘out of nowhere’, with autonomous local units springing up all over France like mushrooms, demonstrating on traffic circles (roundabouts) and toll-gates, marching every Saturday in cities, including Paris. But unlike all previous revolts, it was not Paris-centered. The humid November soil from which these mushrooms sprouted was the near-universal frustration of French people at the abject failure of the Confédération générale du travail (CGT) and other unions to effectively oppose Macron’s steam-roller imposition last Spring of his historic Thatcherite ‘reforms’: an inflexible neoliberal program of cutting benefits, workplace rights, and privatizing or cutting public services, while eliminating the so-called Wealth Tax designed to benefit the poor.

The immediate cause of this spontaneous mass uprising was to protest an unfair tax on fuel (fiscal justice), but the Yellow Vests’ demands quickly expanded to include restoration of public services (transport, hospitals, schools, higher wages, retirement benefits, healthcare for the poor, peasant agriculture, media free of billionaire and government control, and, most remarkably, participatory democracy. Despite their disruptive tactics, the Yellow Vests were, from the first, wildly popular with average French people (73 per cent approval), and they are still more popular than the Macron government after six months of exhausting, dangerous occupations of public space, violent weekly protests, and slanderous propaganda against them.

Tired of being lied to, cheated, manipulated, and despised, the Yellow Vests instinctively from the beginning rejected being instrumentalized by the corrupt ‘representative’ institutions of capitalist democracy – including political parties, union bureaucracies, and the media (monopolized by billionaires and subsidized by the government). Jealous of their autonomy, a concept which radical intellectuals have been exploring for years, the Yellow Vest movement eschewed ‘leaders’ and spokespeople even among their own ranks, and are even now very gradually learning to federate themselves and negotiate convergence with other social movements.
Macron’s Repressive Response

Right from the start, the Yellow Vests’ basically non-violent unauthorized gatherings were met by massive police repression – teargas, flashballs, beatings, 10,000 arrests, immediate drum-head trials, and stiff sentences for minor infractions. The Macron government just passed a new “anti-vandalism” law making it virtually impossible to demonstrate legally. Macron’s orthodox neoliberal French Republic has arguably become as repressive of domestic opposition as the right-wing ‘populist’ regimes in Poland, Hungary, and Turkey.

Macron’s violent repression of political opposition is responsible for at least two deaths, 23 demonstrators blinded in one eye, and thousands seriously wounded. It has been condemned by the UN and the European Union. But Macron has never acknowledged these injuries, which are rarely shown in the media. The TV news concentrates on sensational images of the violence (to property) of the Black Block vandals at the fringes of Yellow Vest demonstrations, never on the human victims of systematic government violence. A popular slogan proclaimed in Magic Marker on a demonstrator’s Yellow Vest reads: “Wake up! Turn off your TV! Join us!”

Since the Yellow Vests have no recognized spokespersons, government propaganda, abetted by the media, has had a free hand to dehumanize them in order to justify treating them inhumanly. Macron, from the height of his monarchical presidency, at first pretended to ignore their uprising, then attempted to buy them off with crumbs (a very few crumbs, which were rejected) and then denounced them as “a hate-filled mob.” (N.B. In real life the Yellow Vests are largely low-income middle-aged folks with families from the provinces whose trademark is friendliness and improvised barbecues.) Yet for Macron and the media they constitute a hard-core conspiracy of “40,000 militants of the extreme right and the extreme left” often characterized as “anti-Semites” who threaten the Republic.

Small wonder that, subjected to increasing violence and continuous slander, the numbers of Yellow Vests willing to go out into the streets to protest every week has diminished over 27 weeks. But they are still out there, and their favorite chant goes: “Here we are! Here we are! What if Macron doesn’t like it? Here we are!” (On est là! Même si Macron ne veut pas, On est là!).
Finally, Support from Other Groups

Fortunately, in the past few weeks the League for the Rights of Man and other such humanitarian groups have at last turned out to protest police brutality, while committees of artists and academics have signed petitions in support of the Yellow Vests’ struggle for democratic rights, condemning the government and media. At the same time, Yellow Vests are more and more converging with Ecologists (“End of the Month/End of the World/Same Enemy/Same Struggle”), feminists (who play a major role in the movement).

Workers have also played an important role, many of them active as opponents of the bureaucracy in their unions. Red CGT stickers on Yellow Vests are now frequent sights at demos. Philippe Martinez, the General Secretary of the CGT, who has heretofore been sarcastic and negative about the Yellow Vests, has now been forced to admit that the cause of their rise was the failure of the unions, “a reflection of all the union deserts.” He was referring to “small and medium size businesses, retired people, poverty people, jobless people, and lots of women” (the demographic of the Yellow Vests) that the unions have ignored.

The Yellow Vests are still here, in the fray, holding the breach open. The crisis in France is far from over. If and when the other oppressed and angry groups in France – the organized workers, ecologists, North African immigrants, students struggling against Macron’s educational ‘reforms’ – also turn off their TVs and go down into the streets, things could change radically. The Yellow Vests’ avowed goal is to bring France to a grinding halt and impose change from below.

What if they succeed? We know what the ‘success’ of structured parties like Syriza in Greece and Podemos in Spain led to. Maybe a horizontal federation of autonomous base-groups attempting to re-invent democracy could do better.

P.S. Latest news: the CGT just held its convention and voted unanimously for “convergence” with the Yellow Vests, something our group in Montpellier has been working toward for months. On May 18th, for the first time, we are meeting with the other Yellow Vest groups in our region. “On ne lâche rien!” (Nothing escapes us, we don’t give in). •
APPENDIX

The French government continues to try to strangle the Yellow Vests movement, even if this represents a clear assault on free speech—
France bans rural protests for Yellow Vest Act #26

Ramin Mazaheri
Press TV, Paris

The Yellow Vest movement in France is still going strong despite new measures of repression. Protests have been banned in rural areas in many parts of the country, while major violence was witnessed outside the capital.  Ramin Mazaheri has more from Paris.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Richard Greeman has been active since 1957 in civil rights, anti-war, anti-nuke, environmental and labour struggles in the U.S., Latin America, France (where he has been a longtime resident) and Russia (where he helped found the Praxis Research and Education Center in 1997). He maintains a blog at richardgreeman.org.
Title: French incomes rated lower than U.S. poorest States
Post by: azozeo on May 28, 2019, 09:04:32 AM


By Ryan McMaken

With the rise of the Yellow Vest Movement in France — which began last October and continues today — French activists and writers have begun to re-evaluate the state of French income and poverty. Since the movement began, articles with titles such as ” Revealed: The shocking scale of poverty in France in 2018 ” or ” Soul-searching in France as poverty leaves one million children hungry ” have become more overtly political given the context of the protests.

Typically, the government’s response to accusations of widespread poverty — which, as in America, are not necessarily accurate accusations — has been to spend more money on social programs.

But here’s the thing: France is already spending more than the rest of Europe when it comes to welfare programs. According to the OECD, when it comes to “public social spending” as a percentage of GDP, France tops the list at over 31 percent.

In contrast, Swedish social spending is 26 percent of GDP, while Germany and Norway come in at 25 percent. Switzerland is near the bottom of the list at 16 percent, while the US is at 18 percent.

These numbers tend to move around some from year to year, but we can see that France was still spending more than anyone else in 2016:

https://www.activistpost.com/2019/05/french-incomes-place-below-some-of-americas-poorest-states-and-the-protesters-know-it.html (https://www.activistpost.com/2019/05/french-incomes-place-below-some-of-americas-poorest-states-and-the-protesters-know-it.html)
Title: 🔥 ‘Yellow Vests’ protesters take to streets of Paris for 30th weekend in a row
Post by: RE on June 27, 2019, 12:58:41 AM
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