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And if they follow the rules for an insurrection, and not a revolution, it might even be successful.

OK then, what are the rules for an insurrection?  If everyone gets a trial and an appeal, and is still found guilty and executed, is the head of the appellate court a war criminal?
Wrong kind of rules... think more along the lines of "rules of engagement".

First and foremost rule of running a successful insurrection, make sure you have supplies that can not be cut off by the government you are fighting.  So, for example, don't rely on foreign oil to grow your crops to feed your troops if the oil can be embargoed.

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in·sur·rec·tion
ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.

rev·o·lu·tion
ˌrevəˈlo͞oSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
a forcible overthrow of a government or social order in favor of a new system.
Thank you!!  My point is right there in the definitions you provided....  revolution is about OVERTHROWing a government.  Getting rid of it completely.  It was never the goal of the American colonists to get rid of Britain's government, nor was it the Confederacy's goal to get rid of the United States government.  In both cases of course they were violent uprisings.

I do not particularly care what misconceptions people in other countries have.  The real problem is when people try to conduct a revolution by following the example of the War of American Independence, when they don't have the experience with self-governance that the colonists had been afforded.

And this is not just an academic point of history.  Anyone who thinks there will be a revolution in the near future in the United States is bat-shit crazy.  But, an insurrection is almost certainly coming.  And if they follow the rules for an insurrection, and not a revolution, it might even be successful.

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You all might have noticed I dont do the political discussions, choosing to only focus on prepping related subjects.

But I thought I would correct this. The US did try to invade Cana'duh twice. Both times ended with the Whitehouse in flames and then they went home. Not that I am any history guy or give a crap about being a canuck because of where my mom pooped me out.
Actually, you make a very good point... and the key here is you mention the White House.  Since Washington D.C. and the White House didn't exist during the "Revolutionary War", you must be talking about the War of 1812.  That actually did have more of the character of a Revolution, albeit not a successful one -- then again, neither was the counterrevolution.

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Most definitely not.  If America had had a true Revolution, Canada would not exist.  They would just be additional States in the United States.
Interesting point of view. Geographically biased I think. The two colonies existed as separate entities even then. Or are you saying it would have only been a revolution if you overthrew the british empire?
The key difference between a revolution and an insurrection is whether you are trying to take over the existing power structure, or set up your own.  After the French and Indian War, the colonies were largely neglected, leaving them to largely govern themselves.  The problems came when the King tried to reassert his authority over the colonies.

It's not that the entire British empire would have needed to have been overthrown for the War of 1776 to be a proper Revolution, but they would have had to have been looking to keep the same imperial structure, just taking it over for themselves.  As such, Canada would be a grave threat to such ambitions, and victory would not have been considered complete until it was taken over.  But they did not have imperial aspirations at that point, they were content to be just be left alone.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Che Guevara, From The Historical Evidence.
« on: June 16, 2018, 09:18:44 PM »
Well Canada would call what you had a revolution. You overthrew the government of the day and displaced up to 20 percent of your population as refugees... That's pretty revolutionary no?
Most definitely not.  If America had had a true Revolution, Canada would not exist.  They would just be additional States in the United States.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Che Guevara, From The Historical Evidence.
« on: June 16, 2018, 09:14:20 PM »
So do you accept that a revolutionary general MUST order the execution of some of the captured fighters of the ancien regime, if he is to succeed?  Should he give everyone captured a fair trial first?  What are the "rules" for having a revolution?  Do they differ from having an imperial war?
There definitely are "rules" for having a successful revolution.  Chief among them is making sure that there is not a strong enough opposition to have a counterrevolution.  (Look to England in the 1600s for a good example of a successful counterrevolution.)

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Che Guevara, From The Historical Evidence.
« on: June 16, 2018, 08:55:17 PM »
That is why only communist revolutions are still called revolutions for the duration of the regime, unlike eg french or american revolutions where only the process of overthrowing the former form of govt is called the revolution. Notice they do not still call it a revolution now.
America has never had a revolution, despite it being so misnamed.  It has had 2 insurrections, 1 successful, 1 not.  In neither case were they trying to take over the existing government.  The colonists just wanted to be left alone to govern themselves, and so did the Southerners.

Now, the French had a real Revolution.  Remember Robespierre?  The guillotine?  Plenty of blood was spilled, and kept being spilled, until long after a strongman (Napoleon) has taken over the country.

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Nevertheless, I can see where a slow rotating giant transmission can make use of magnetic gears effectively, thereby saving millions of dollars in lubricant, while prolonging the life of the transmission itself simply because the "gears" never wear out.
"Never" is a verry long time... magnets actually do wear out eventually, unless they are kept at absolute zero.  The hotter they get, the quicker they demagnetize.  Raise a magnet to its melting point and it will demagnetize instantly, unless it is already in a strong enough magnetic field.

But, for a wind turbine whose lifespan is measured in decades, this should be negligible... as long as there are no volcanoes erupting nearby ;-)

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The Diner Pantry / Re: Doomstead Diner Menu
« on: June 14, 2018, 03:16:46 PM »
What good is an extraordinary camera to an ordinary mind?

Could a man paint like Cezzanne who possessed his brush and paint palette? 

Could Cezzanne paint like Cezzanne with the simple brush and paints of a child's watercolor box?  :icon_scratch:
I heard a story about a nineteenth century violin virtuoso, possibly Paganini, who would buy a new violin for every concert in whatever town he was performing in.  The first half he would perform on his trusted old favorite, but the second half he would perform on the new violin, to prove that it was him, and not his violin, that was the source of the beautiful music.

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Economics / Re: 🚛 Trade Warz
« on: June 02, 2018, 08:43:04 AM »
This is a moot point.

Trump will pull his pants down and blow a fart in their face, he has no regard at all for these political clubs.

To my mind this whole trade war is bull shit political posturing play acting to the dim.

The world is to interdependent; we are completely dependent on imports from others.

Too many politicians with too much time on their hands to bull shit, grab headlines, and fill the heads of the dim with more bull shit rhetoric.

It's all nonsense and one more reason I choose to be a Libertarian.
Or, alternatively, it is hyperintelligent, recognizing that global supply chains are about to break down anyway, and he wants to get the US ready for a more localized economy....



Okay, well, that's the reason why I don't oppose it....

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: The Carbon Footprint of Christianity
« on: June 02, 2018, 08:03:51 AM »
I had trouble with the sunday school conception of Christianity since i started asking these questions and being reprimanded for it in the 1st grade.

1. Jimmy Swaggart goes to heaven and Ghandi goes to hell.

2.Being born into abuse/starvation or being born to billionaires is as random as advantageous mutation in the theory of evolution.

3. No explanation of where human souls went prior to Jesus life.

4. No explanation of where souls go after 33AD but before hearing the gospel that they are sinners and the white people killing their fellow natives and taking their land are actually good and doing them a favour by replacing their evil religions.

5.No explanation of why Jesus did not expressly forbid war and conquest in his name if he is an all knowing God and knew this would happen.

6. No explanation of where the seperate God resides, now that we have orbited and photgraphed the earth from space, so scriptural 'on the clouds' is unstisfactory.

7. No explanation of Jesus absence age 12 to 30.

8. No explanation of why 3 men from the east who would hold wrong beliefs were present at the first Christmas instead of at least reps from Gods chosen people.

9. No explanation of why the 3 men from the east were "wise", if they represent the sort of wrong teaching the Beatles travelled to India for.

10. Jesus said he would return soon, 2000 years ago.

These need to be answered from the words of Jesus or direct scripture, not post hoc theology.

As to that point about the Puritan belief permeating America as a Christian country, I hope a uniform of authoritah is better than bathing suits on a boat.

Nice post. All kids with a brain ask those questions when they grow up in a fundamentalist authoritarian religious church. They generally go unanswered, and that's one reason why thinking people tend to drift away as they get out from under the thumb of their parents and church elders.

There are answers to questions like that.

For one thing, the Christianity practiced in churches, by and large, is a very twisted and perverted version of the real thing. At least somebody like Palloy, who seems to have avoided real Bible study (to his benefit), can grasp Jesus' basic message. The more clap trap that gets added to the mix, the more difficult that gets.
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbor as yourself
The rest is commentary.

Seen any mustard trees?

The "mustard seed" is the Gospel of Jesus.  Mustard plants normally are knee-high weeds.  For it to grow as large as a tree requires a miracle.  That's because it has become a mutant.  But the point of that is to protect it from dying out.  In the final harvest, the wheat (those who truly follow Jesus, see #1 and #2 above) will be separated from the chaff (those who just took the form of Christianity).

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: The Carbon Footprint of Christianity
« on: May 31, 2018, 06:59:24 PM »
But, you say, what about the three ethics of permaculture. Earth care, people care, and fair share. Aren't you forgetting the last two?
(maybe you weren't gonna ask that, but somebody would...maybe JD.) :)
LOL... thanks for thinking of me....

I just wanted to make a comment of that third ethic.  "Fair share" is the rhyming mnemonic, and it has socialistic overtones, but it need not be understood in that manner.  Equivalent formulations would be "reinvest your profits" (for a capitalistic spin) or simply "give back more than you take".

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Surly Newz / Re: The Daily Meme
« on: May 31, 2018, 06:48:59 PM »
An evangelical university is helping make a film that implies God chose Trump
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/an-evangelical-university-is-helping-make-a-film-that-implies-god-chose-trump/ar-AAy0TGr?ocid=sf
Well, sure, what actually happened could not have been contrary to God's will... and Trump may be the perfect vessel for delivering God's Judgement on the United States.

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Geopolitics / Re: The Korea thread
« on: May 25, 2018, 07:52:48 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZwMVMbmQBug" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/ZwMVMbmQBug</a>
This is how a man like Trump GOT elected....

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Geopolitics / Re: The Korea thread
« on: May 24, 2018, 10:19:16 PM »
Well have you discovered anywhere where there are real doomers? We don't actually have to fix it, just understand it, and maybe speak out against it.  I would imagine that any website wanting to discuss this subject would do it in private, maybe on the dark net, and I would be happy to get involved in that.  Derrick Jensen's Forum sounds like it should be a "front" community which you play around in till someone invites you into the real hidden community, but I have not yet been invited.
LOL... been there, done that... not Derrick Jensen, mind you, but the secret, invitation-only collapse discussion group... so long ago I haven't the foggiest idea what the name was.  At least 15 years since it folded up.

I think "doomer community" is a bit of an oxymoron.  Every collapse-aware group seems to break apart or turn into a hospice operation -- whether morose like Nature Bats Last or congenial like the Doomstead Diner.

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Geopolitics / Re: The Korea thread
« on: May 24, 2018, 08:09:09 PM »
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Surly: I jumped on RE because it seemed he was furiously picking a fight with you. In this case, YOU. are attempting to pick a fight with ME.

No, I'm NOT attacking you, I just want to get someone, anyone on DD, to take this seriously and not make jokes about it.  My reasonable request for more discussion has been met with a hail of jokes and toxic insults.  The only person who made anything resembling a serious comment was RE saying "WW3 won't happen because it is not in US's interest", which is monumentally stupid and non-serious, designed as you say to pick a fight with me.
I feel for you, Palloy, I know what it is like for no one to take you seriously.

I also agree with you that, save a few technical glitches, this situation is one of the most dangerous we have faced.

I don't see what we can do as individuals to prevent it.  All I can see to do as an individual is to prepare for it.  And as an individual, starting out a post-WW3 era with lung cancer, I do not see a significant life expectancy for myself.  So, I don't see much point personally in worrying about it, just enjoying what little time I have left.

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