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Primitive Living / Re: rewilding
« on: August 04, 2017, 07:58:27 PM »
How far are Lynx's classes from you? 

The echoes program appears to be quite broad.  Wild tea party and felt booties sound intriguing.  :D

about 375 miles. yeah, echoes looks fun, huh? think i'll skip the felt booties and go straight to the mocassins. you don't suppose do you that by 'tea' they are using the Beat term for pot? :)

as for attending a Lynx class - having thought about it a bit more, it's possible but doubtful. perhaps i will feel differently in the coming months -- the rewilding is a process thing :) -- but at the moment it's a bit too far out of my personal context. it's like when i tried to clarify to RE that
 stone age re-skilling is but the work-side of rewilding. in 2012 i consider stone age immersion to be an important but symbolic gesture of rewilding. some are  emotionally bound to it and I think that's wonderful. but stone age tools and practices were simply the
practical choices of their time. of course, practical for them included ethical. I think if
original pagans were in our shoes they'd have no qualms with the salvage approach so long as it was practiced ethically.

I sort of see what lynx and them are doing is taking a quantum leap. I myself may be too far gone for that.



the lynx stuff is cutting edge to me but it's beyond what our culture can perceive to be as the cutting edge, and as such I believe roles that can crossover between rewilding culture and  postindustrial collapse culture are also key.

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Energy / Re: Malthus to China Potpourri
« on: August 04, 2017, 07:58:20 PM »
great stuff, alan. funny, too. excellent to have you here. keep on spammin' on!  ;D
Glad you're enjoying the show.  Huzzahs!

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i did, however, find the folowing statement surprisingly mundane.
Why?

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why bother, as an anarchist, arguing for contextless benefits of an industrially-
Regulated Group Mind over a preindustrial one?
Yeah, you might say that. But it IS awfully easy for us to say, is it not? I mean,
we've GOT the extra 40-50 years -- during which to make clever points about
the meaninglessness of context-free benefits.  Would those points mean
anything to someone dying at age 12 of some horrible infection?

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besides, what is so phenomenal about your lifespan statistic? it is the norm
for rapidly industrializing countries is it not?
Yes, the norm for pre-industrial vs. industrial. AND phenomenal. An extension of
life on that order is, to me, stunning. Very impressive.  And we take it for granted!
Just like your comment: "What's the big deal, Alan?"  Or like Ash's comment,
oblivious to the huge upside.  But it IS a big deal, for the people newly affected.
A very big deal.

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Energy / Re: Malthus to China Potpourri
« on: August 04, 2017, 07:58:15 PM »
great stuff, alan. funny, too. excellent to have you here. keep on spammin' on!  ;D
Glad you're enjoying the show.  Huzzahs!

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i did, however, find the folowing statement surprisingly mundane.
Why?

because it strikes me as a conventional view in favor quantity over quality. of course most are going to say they rather society had a lower infant mortality rate - which is mostly what we're talking about here with the lifespan argument. but even accepting the argument at face value - at what cost? what about the non-human side of the ledger? how do you balance that?

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why bother, as an anarchist, arguing for contextless benefits of an industrially-
Regulated Group Mind over a preindustrial one?
Yeah, you might say that. But it IS awfully easy for us to say, is it not? I mean,
we've GOT the extra 40-50 years -- during which to make clever points about
the meaninglessness of context-free benefits.  Would those points mean
anything to someone dying at age 12 of some horrible infection?

would those points mean anything to a black man unjustly incarcerated, and medicated, for the last 50 years, who has not been allowed to kill himself for 45 of them? tit for tat, man.  :P

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besides, what is so phenomenal about your lifespan statistic? it is the norm
for rapidly industrializing countries is it not?
Yes, the norm for pre-industrial vs. industrial. AND phenomenal. An extension of
life on that order is, to me, stunning. Very impressive.  And we take it for granted!
Just like your comment: "What's the big deal, Alan?"  Or like Ash's comment,
oblivious to the huge upside.  But it IS a big deal, for the people newly affected.
A very big deal.

fine, it's impressive on a statistical level. but so what? it just strikes me as a rather abstract argument. but then again i'm enthralled the fifth dimension!


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Conspiracy / Re: Your 9-11 conspiracy thread
« on: August 04, 2017, 07:58:09 PM »
Reanteben,
The issue of all the details as to how the buildings were brought down is certainly worth study. Architects and Engineers for 911 are doing just that.



However, I agree with Surly1 on this:
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On one thing we can probably agree: that 9-11 was indeed PNAC's coveted "New Pearl Harbor," which led to total war on the Bill of Rights and the common people of the FSA. Would that the Fourth Amendment had as well-organized and well-funded a defense lobby as the Second.

Since your father was CIA, have you asked him what he thinks?
Was your father in field operations or based at Langley doing analysis?
The CIA is highly compartmentalized and operates on the "Need to know" principle so, unless your father was in a foreign country doing field work for the Directorate of Operations, he would not be any more knowledgeable about 9/11 than the average citizen. Then again, if he knew something that compromised the "company" (inside parlance for the CIA), he would never tell you. That's just the way they operate. Read "Neck Deep" by Robert Parry for some CIA modus operandi background. :(

While we are on the subject of 911, I'd like to mention a deliberate distraction that was put out there when people began questioning the wacky conspiracy theory the gooberment and media were shoving down our throats (19 punks with single engine Cessna flying skills did the whole caper).

A team of propagandists put out the bullshit that there were NO aircraft hitting the buildings. They claimed what we saw were holograms. They ran a credible scam but, like a magician, they made people look in the wrong place so as to confuse the issue. When someone wants you to "look" with just your eyes, you get fooled as long as you don't "look" with any other senses. It was really quite clever. People had figured out that the planes DID NOT bring down those towers.

So-o-o-o the propagandists, in an attempt to discredit the people alleging that the twin towers were destroyed by explosives, not airplanes, made the ridiculous argument that there were NO AIRPLANES!


Reapeat after me: That's a hologram, not an airplane, you are getting very sleepy. When you awake you will remember that Slavery is Freedom

Of course there was an army of naysayers on the internet saying how the Arab baddies were out to get us and doubting the gooberment was treason or "unpatriotic". The line about "we must trust the government because Bush and Cheney know things we don't" by people like Pat Boone was echoed throughout the internet as well. The propagandists were working the "problem" of people out there using critical thinking skills from several directions.

When I read the hologram hypothesis, I thought about it. I fell in to the trap because I watched those buildings come down like they were riding a down elevator. It was obvious the aircraft didn't do that because the top parts would have fallen asymmetrically rather than in their footprint. As a matter of fact, the first building DID lurch a little (about 15 feet) to one side before it came down minutes later. I believe the boyz running the charges from building seven said we better bring this sucker down NOW before the top 20 something floors or so lurch off to the side and take out some buildings we don't want taken out.

Back to the hologram hypothesis. I saw the accidental 911 documentary from the French Camera team that had been working with some Fire Department nearby. They heard the noise and filmed the first impact. Then it hit me. The NOISE. Sound waves from a moving jet aircraft produce a Doppler effect. It is impossible for a hologram to generate a Doppler effect ALL OVER NEW YORK CITY. Sure, you can do it in a movie theater but that was not a movie theater. Just as you hear the sound pitch of an approaching object climb, so you hear it descend as the Doppler effect spaces the sound waves farther and farther apart. You can clearly here the sound of the engines of a jet moving AWAY from the camera's position as it approaches the building.

The hologram hypothesis is disinformation and FURTHER PROOF that the oil oligarchy that runs the USA will spend money, a lot of money, to pull the wool over people's eyes.

Reanteben, it has been 11 years. There is only one thing you or anyone else needs to ask about 9/11.

CUI BONO?
I agree with Surly1 as to who benefited.

thanks, agelbert.
in the dustification thread I posted a video of the top of tower 2 clearly falling outside of the outer walls

(before dustifying), which is contrary to what you stated. why don't you check it out (again?) and tell me what you see:






http://www.doomsteaddiner.org/forum/index.php?topic=277.msg1915#msg1915

what do you think of my physical analysis in the thread, including the plane-into-building  dynamicI consider it CFS but i'd prefer to be stood corrected because i'd rather the Conduits fail than the permanent oligarchy parlay their shit into a hunger games control system (HGCS).

my conception of the hologram theory (which i'm open to) is inclusive of the doppler effect heard in the frenchy documentary (illuminati mockumentary?  check out this article by dirdy birdy's alter:  http://www.serendipity.li/wot/naudet/raphael.htm) because the a missile with 3D projectors would also create a doppler effect. so what was it, exactly, that caused you to dismiss it as disinfo? what makes the hologram theory disinfo, in order to discredit by association the architects and engineers, as you suggest, instead of the architects and engineers narrative being disinfo so as to discredit the hologram theory? it seems to me that steering people away from ZPE weaponry would be more important than steering them away from conventional weaponry, because it's not like 40pc or whatever of the domestic pop aren't already disbelieving the warren commission 2.0. know what i'm saying?

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Spirituality & Mysticism / the control system: chapter 7
« on: August 04, 2017, 07:58:01 PM »
i'm reproducing in installments here chapter 7 ('imperial secrets') of neil kramer's book The Unfoldment. thanks neil. if you want to read it all at once then wait til the final installment which I will title 'chapter 7 [complete]'.

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reality is a dangerous concept. the control system exists to regulate access to it.

envisage reality as a three-dimensional sphere, full of creativity, power, growth, and magnificence. now collapse that down into two dimensions, making it a flat circle, like a disc-shaped piece of paper. finally, out of the 360 degrees of that circle, remove 359 of those degrees, so yoy are left with a single, thin, two-dimensional sliver of reality. this is what the control system puts forth as the whole of reality.

the control system is a hierarchical network of entities, philosophies, and mechanisms that manufactures and broadcasts a distorted version of reality that it likes to market as the only game in town. it is a very narrow world and not very true. the main consequence of imbibing this distortion is that it impedes the natural ascendant flow of consciousness; it puts it into suspended animation and people live their lives like bugs in amber. though this encasement may feel protective at times, it is first and foremost a tomb.

the control system distortion deeply affects the human mind, making people easier to influence at the physical level and enabling their consciousness to be carefully regulated at the non-physical level. in the same way that we need water to stay below 0C/32F if we are to utilize it as ice, consciousness must be kept to a lower vibrational level if it is to be kept operationally immobile. everything is a configuration of energy. from a radish to a radio wave, it is all energy vibrating at various rates and manifesting at different densities. consciousness can be considered in just the same manner, as indeed it can also be regarded as an energy source like oil, gas, copper, tin, wind, or sunlight. what flows through our heads is a very particular vibration of energy - no less usable, no less harvestable, no less precious.

it is an old game. the control system has been around for a very long time and has been administered by every empire that has ever sought to dominate people. from the egyptians to the romans, from the mongols to the qing dynasty, from the british to the americans, wherever there is empire, there is the control system. it is a totally apolitical, invisible, and unaccountable entity. it is not something that is ever talked about, acknowledged, orreferenced in any way. under normal circumstances, well-behaved citizens will have absolutely no clue as to the existence of it, despite the fact that it tells them what to think, what to do, what is okay, and what is not okay. their whole lives come and go without them ever perceiving the very thing that has led them by the nose every step of the way.



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Geopolitics / Re: POTUS WINNER Off Track Betting Parlor
« on: August 04, 2017, 07:57:57 PM »
The sun hesitates
just below the horizon
this morning;
two nations in an unsettled dawn
of fear and loathing

The campaign signs uprooted,
the bunting
torn and trampled
in the grim stillness
of a deepening winter

game of thrones, prole.

every voter out there is doing his unconscious walk of shame. take a turn, voter.

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okay! okay!  i'll stay in touch!

yeah i'm sure peter's having an amazing rolling nexus event through march, assuming he can still tease out a separate consciousness to call his own. meanwhile the control system has frontloaded all the crude expectations onto 12/21 so that even it's (arguably) most sophisticated divisions, such as the cool as a cucumber pbs newshour, could revel in the popping of the targeted medium term fear bubble with coy asides like, "we love the mayans but it turns out they weren't very good with prediction." this fear bubble was of course overlaid with the short term fear bubble (as snowleopard mentioned) known as newtown/anytown/yourtown/ourtown/hivetown, which came the day after the first of the nexus waves hit, and two days after 12/12.  in the grand tradition of illuminati foreshadowing, sandy hook was instantly transformed into a social microcosm of the future social macrocosm that ka brilliantly detailed: all great control systems emerge from chaos. from american dream to learning about the senecan cliff the hard way. the name sandy being the link between energy shortages  and pogroms.


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nobody, i will definitely keep in touch. 

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It costs something to read or post here.  I knew it would.  -And it's worth a great deal to be able to contact persons that you care about.

But nothing in this world measures up to the love we have to forget about to be ..in this world.  When you get closer to home, you become less willing to trade.

beautifully put.

the Love Cover -- the love simulacrum of the control system -- would insist that that lessening willingness is not love but selfishness, but actually it has to do with coherence. there is a measure of decoherence, or destructive interference at DD, sometimes to the point where the whole project is flatlining. while i enjoy the abstract intellectual quality of mking's posts (sorry pops, et al), it is clear that what frustrates RE about him is the destructive interference they present. to me, whether destruction is his intention or not, mking's posts represent a challenge to what i see as the data-driven, conventional response to collapse - a response that very much remains within the control system's sphere of influence, as seen in mking's underlying point as I see it, that the undulating plateau has put the datacentric in a box for seven years now. so in that sense, if mking's destructive interference can take some momentum from the endless rehashings of peak oil theory, then perhaps some people might turn to something more worthwhile, which in my view centers on the decentralization of consciousness, which entails skilled, destructive interference of hierarchical (false) consciousness at every turn.

constructive interference, on the other hand, has a positive consciousness EROEI. when we get on the same frequency, that frequency outside of the control system,  namely love, in all its egalitarian cultural manifestations, it will vastly magnify. RE's seemingly neglected spiritual belief that 'as energy goes to zero, spirit rises to infinity' comes to mind here, and is entirely compatible with the idea that consciousness interacts with the physical dimension in the zero-point field. to understand pantheism all one has to do is understand the magic of photosynthesis. photosynthesis might be seen as the microcosm of the macrocosm, and the basis of the consciousness movement's response to collapse. 

the hyperlinked article also speaks to ox's question on right and wrong, and how, by harnessing conssciousness/love/light, something wrong can be transformed into something right:

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Electronic spectroscopy measurements made on a femtosecond (millionths of a billionth of a second) time-scale showed these oscillations meeting and interfering constructively, forming wavelike motions of energy (superposition states) that can explore all potential energy pathways simultaneously and reversibly, meaning they can retreat from wrong pathways with no penalty. This finding contradicts the classical description of the photosynthetic energy transfer process as one in which excitation energy hops from light-capturing pigment molecules to reaction center molecules step-by-step down the molecular energy ladder.

The classical hopping description of the energy transfer process is both inadequate and inaccurate, said Fleming. It gives the wrong picture of how the process actually works, and misses a crucial aspect of the reason for the wonderful efficiency.

to regard something as right or wrong is to collapse the wave function, is to embrace decoherence. this is what materialist, classical physics does. and as i have said to ash before, about his collapsing of the wave function, this is what religious fundamentalism does to spirituality.


 

 

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Doomsteading / Re: Community Owned Doomstead
« on: August 04, 2017, 07:57:30 PM »
Reant, I could easily delve into a non-stop Lebowski quoting marathon up until the entire script has been written down here in this thread.  However, I won't do that...some new information should come to light here to help you understand fully what I mean.  Ahem...here I go...a quick Lebowski fueled anecdote for your Lebowski fan pleasure:

When I was on that carrier bombing Assghanistan, whenever I got some free time, which wasn't often (usually a couple hours on Sunday since it wasn't a work day...although we still had to stand 5 hour watches so...) I would watch the BL on my laptop in my rack.  He became my idol.  I just wanted to be the dude.  For 115 days at sea I watched that movie (along with half baked, Mall Rats, and American Beauty) and dreamed of the day I could be in my SoCal bungalow smoking herb.  He was my idol. 

Fast forward from 2001 to 2007 when some brits decided to do a documentary on the new phenomenon of Dudeism.  http://dudeism.com/  Since I'm an ordained Dudeist Priest I got the email informing all us Duderinos about the what have you and did we want to get involved.  I emailed the dudes, a couple of weeks later they arrived in Charlotte from England.  Since we only lived 25 miles from the airport I was their first stop.  I was in the documentary pilot "The Odyssey of the Dude" as the first Dudeist Priest interviewed "Reverend McCarty" was what the caption said. 

We drank white Russians to keep our minds limber while the film rolled. 

The Dude Abides  (and if you make it to the Foxstead maybe you'll be able to keep up with my Lebowski Turrets.)   :D


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Economics / Re: Cyprus Blows
« on: August 04, 2017, 07:57:18 PM »
who attacks first in WW3?

contemporary myth and cyprus.

located at the crossroads of civilization, cyprus is the birthplace of aphrodite, goddess of Love, desired by gods, who fought over her. and fought over her, and fought over her. mythology repeats itself.

here's Demetris Christofias, communist cypriot president until the other month, as played by aphrodite. putin the wild boar hunter, finds himself in the contemporary role of adonis - a central figure in the mystery religions. and NATO plays the role of the wild boar:

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Adonis begins his year on the earth with Aphrodite. One of his greatest passions is hunting, and although Aphrodite is not naturally a hunter, she takes up the sport just so she can be with him. They spend every waking hour with one another, and Aphrodite is enraptured with him. However, her anxiety begins to grow over her neglected duties, and she is forced to leave him for a short time. Before she leaves, she gives Adonis one warning: do not attack an animal which shows no fear. Adonis agrees to her advice, but, secretly doubting her skills as a huntress, quickly forgets her warning.

Not long after Aphrodite leaves, Adonis comes across an enormous wild boar, much larger than any he has ever seen. It is suggested that the boar is the god Ares, one of Aphrodite's lovers made jealous through her constant doting on Adonis. Although boars are dangerous and will charge a hunter if provoked, Adonis disregards Aphrodite's warning and pursues the giant creature. Soon, however, Adonis is the one being pursued; he is no match for the giant boar.

In the attack, Adonis is castrated by the boar, and dies from a loss of blood. Aphrodite rushes back to his side, but she is too late to save him and can only mourn over his body




 

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Conspiracy / Re: More Thoughts On Boston
« on: April 26, 2013, 04:41:35 PM »
fuck, publius. it's just like hitchcock said! do keep us updated. it was great to see orlov change his mind about it.

as for disengaging, I cannot recommend rewilding highly enough. it's done wonders for me. it answers the question of yours that orlov forwarded to carolyn baker - how to deal psychologically with the pain of being part of a literally evil system? the answer is: you are not the system. similarly, your child is not the population bomb. getting there is a process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism#Rewilding_and_reconnection


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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Doomstead Diner Favorite Quotations Page
« on: April 23, 2013, 04:36:13 PM »
today's daily quote from rupert spira:

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Just as steam, water and ice are all modulations of one substance, so the mind, body and world are all modulations of one Being the ever-present light of pure Knowing.

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Conspiracy / Re: More Thoughts On Boston
« on: April 23, 2013, 02:53:52 PM »
what was wrong with the original thread on this topic?

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Conspiracy / Re: Boston Patriot's Day Bombing
« on: April 22, 2013, 11:42:29 AM »
Reant I agree with you, and I agree with Bob too.  My point is that we'll never know.  Just look at 9/11.  We know, Michael Ruppert proved that shit with evidence admissible in any court that ain't one for kangaroos (which I'm not sure they exist anymore what with the whole debtors prisons in Ohio and god knows where else).  Yet who believes that Ruppert and 9/11 truth is correct?  I mean there is a lot of bull shit conspiracy nuts out there talkin' bout aliens and lizards and the need to where tin foil on your head to save your brains.

the 'we'll never know' reflection implies to me a scientific/reductionist approach to knowing which I, rewilded, consider of secondary and sometimes utilitarian importance. thoreau said he went to the woods in order to escape all the non-essential 'facts' of society. i've come to much prefer the mythological/interpretational approach to knowing, and view the aliens and lizards madhattery as fitting into this ultimately metaphorical approach, as I suggested to eddie some weeks ago when talking about what I consider to be icke's truthful    interpretation of the matrix. as for actually wearing tinfoil hats, it makes perfect sense in an age of cell phones. cell phones are microwave weaponry to a luddite and a tinfoil hat is a reductionist faraday cage for the head, so can be seen as fighting fire with fire, LOL.

rahm emmanuel's invocation to 'never let a good crisis go to waste' is  in my mind one of the best pieces of mythological evidence we have so far with regard to discerning nature of the boston bombings, far and away above the photo, video, and eyewitness discrepancies.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/1yeA_kHHLow&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/1yeA_kHHLow&fs=1</a>

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Conspiracy / Re: Boston Patriot's Day Bombing
« on: April 22, 2013, 10:35:28 AM »
I was just commenting on GO's floating the idea of hypnotism being used ben, I dont know about 'greenbauming'. Really much of the info we are getting is clearly false or does not add up. I would like to know from the air thermal imaging video that was shown where there is cross hairs on him in the boat and then a flash, what that was?

If the info we are getting is reliable, theres really no need to look to hypnotism or greenbauming, their profile is not unlike most school massacre perpetrators and young radicalised muslims. The former lending itself naturally to the latter.

That does not mean everything is kosher, the drill as well as the speakers telling everyone to stay calm before the explosions and the massive presence of agents along the last mile, way beyond anything normal for a marathon and the massive amount of resources mustered immediately, stink to high hell.

sorry bob was thinking you were familiar with the greenbaum speech but perhaps the last time it was mentioned here was before you
arrived. was suggesting that coming at it from a different angle than the sirhan-type hypnosis you and GO were discussing, that maybe the technical display of an alter -- an mind-control engineered alter or not -- might not be considered that of unconsciousness but
merely the switching between compartments in a compartmentalized conscious state, as the pioneer on MPD/DID pierre janet suggested.

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