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During a press conference today, President Trump rattled off a statement that left quiet a few people once again scratching their heads.

“I don’t use insulin. Should I be? Huh?” Trump said. “I never thought about it. But I know a lot of people are very badly affected, right? Unbelievable.”

As expected, many of Trump’s critics on Twitter wondered what he was talking about.

    Sloan Ashton @Ashton7Sloan
    Replying to @kylegriffin1

    I support free will. Let him take as many drugs as he wants. I mean, what does he have to lose?
    3:41 PM - May 26, 2020
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    Tom Nichols

    “I don’t use insulin. Should I be? I never thought about it.”

    He actually just said that.
    3:34 PM - May 26, 2020
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    S.V. Dáte
    Replying to @RadioFreeTom

    How does it interact with Lysol?
    3:35 PM - May 26, 2020
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    Jeff the Dog @KevinsBigMouth
    Replying to @RadioFreeTom

    I don't use chemotherapy. Should I be? I never thought about it.
    3:35 PM - May 26, 2020
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    Karen™ @ManagerSpeaking
    Replying to @kylegriffin1

    OMFG this is this real life right now
    3:42 PM - May 26, 2020
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    Eric B. @EricB01313166
    Replying to @kylegriffin1

    Is he setting up a diminished capacity defense? Jfc.
    3:44 PM - May 26, 2020
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    Shay 🐘🐅 @horkusone
    Replying to @kylegriffin1

    As a Type 1 diabetic who knows exactly what insulin will do to a non-diabetic; Sure, take it. Take a lot. Take a couple of different kinds.
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    Michael Lerch @mungonna8
    Replying to @kylegriffin1

    Well..I heard that Insulin cures Windmill Cancer, soooo maybe he should be taking it..out for a walk or something..I mean ..people are sayin..🍊🍕💩
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He should drop some acid. What has he got to lose? A lot people swear by it, It worked for Ram Dass and Timothy Leary.

Maybe try Ayahuasca...see what the Sacred Mother has to tell him.

It seems that many small businesses are hesitant to take on a PPP Loan that they probably won't get any forgiveness on.....and requires them to repay it, with interest, starting in November 2020...and with a 3 year payback.

A really smart move would be to give REAL small businesses loans at the same interest rate...which is 1%..but to make them bigger...and to stretch them out for 5, 10, maybe even 15 years.

This would give the business owners the confidence they need to actually spend some of the money....which won't be spent otherwise. It wouldn't hurt to offer some actual forgiveness, instead of making sure nobody can meet the criteria for loan forgiveness.

At least it looks that way to me....... The second round of PPP was not fully owners have left $138 Billion on the table......

The problem is that the Congress has been told for many years.....exactly what to corporate America, They have no clue what mom and pop businesses need, or how they think....the stupid parts of PPP are there because that's what the banks wanted,,,,and Mnuchin is a banker's tool.

I said before, and I still say...they only wanted to goose real thought was ever given to saving any non-corporate businesses, And the way they tried to do it was a failure, because small businesses take paying back loan money seriously, and they read the fine print. They aren't stupid. They are used to paying back the money they borrow.

Journal of Accountancy

PPP forgiveness guidance issued as Congress mulls changes
By Jeff Drew
May 25, 2020

Paycheck Protection Program
Management Accounting

Treasury and the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) released new Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) guidance Friday night that provided some clarity on several loan forgiveness questions but didn’t address the two parts of PPP that arguably have generated the most concerns among the millions of small businesses and other entities that have received funding.

Two new interim final rules issued late Friday build upon the loan forgiveness application and instructions released May 15 but they don’t make changes to either the eight-week period during which PPP funds must be spent to qualify for forgiveness or the rule requiring PPP borrowers to spend at least 75% of the funds on payroll costs to qualify for full loan forgiveness.

Those two issues are the focus of multiple bills being considered in Congress.

The Senate could vote as early as this week on a bill that would double the loan forgiveness period to 16 weeks. The House is expected to vote this week on standalone legislation that would extend the loan forgiveness period to as long as 24 weeks and also eliminate the rule requiring PPP borrowers to spend at least 75% of the funds on payroll costs to qualify for full loan forgiveness. A separate Senate bill would also expand the loan forgiveness period to 24 weeks and eliminate the 75% rule.

Critics of the eight-week loan forgiveness period argue that it isn’t flexible enough for businesses that have dealt, and in many cases continue to deal, with state and locally mandated stay-at-home orders that have kept many types of businesses closed or operating at significantly reduced capacity. Critics of the 75% rule argue that it does not do enough to accommodate businesses whose employees haven’t been able to work because of government-imposed business closures.

Through May 23, the SBA approved more than 4.4 million PPP loans totaling more than $511 billion. About $138 billion in PPP funds remained available for additional lending as of May 23.

Provisions of note in 2 new interim rules
While the two proposed bills making their way through Congress would have an impact on loan forgiveness, the two new interim final rules released Friday are the most recent authoritative guidance. One addresses requirements for loan forgiveness (read PDF) and the other outlines  PPP loan review procedures and related borrower and lender responsibilities (read PDF).

The 26 pages of loan forgiveness requirements guidance, a substantial portion of which mirrors the instructions to the PPP loan forgiveness application released on May 15, answer more than a dozen questions related to the loan forgiveness process, which payroll and nonpayroll costs are eligible for forgiveness, and how various scenarios affect the amount of loan forgiveness for which a borrower qualifies. Highlights include:

Establishment of an alternative method for determining when the eight-week period starts for businesses with pay cycles of biweekly or more frequent. These borrowers can elect an alternative payroll covered period, which is the eight-week period starting the first day of the pay period after they received the funds. Previously, the only starting date allowed was the day the lender disbursed funds to the borrower — which remains the requirement for all businesses with pay periods less frequent than biweekly. The AICPA had issued a recommendation calling for increased flexibility for the beginning of the eight week covered period to align with the borrower’s pay period to improve the efficiency of the forgiveness application process.
Clarification that bonuses and hazard pay are eligible for loan forgiveness, as are salary, wages, and commission payments to furloughed employees. The payments cannot exceed the pro-rated amount of a $100,000 annual salary.

Establishment of caps on the amount of loan forgiveness available for owner-employees and self-employed individuals’ own payroll compensation. Specifically, the amount requested can be no more than the lesser of 8/52 of 2019 compensation (i.e., approximately 15.38% of 2019 compensation) or $15,385 per individual in total across all businesses. For self-employed individuals, including Schedule C filers and general partners, no additional forgiveness is provided for retirement or health insurance contributions.

Clarification on when non-payroll costs must be incurred or be paid to qualify for loan forgiveness. Specifically, the costs must be paid during the eight-week period or incurred during the period and paid on or before then next regular billing date, even if that date is after the eight weeks. The guidance also states that advance payments on mortgage interest are not eligible for loan forgiveness.

Reiteration of the previously announced guidance setting the rules for when employers can exclude from loan forgiveness calculations employees who refuse to be rehired. The new guidance reiterates that in calculating any reduction in full time equivalent employees, employers can exclude any employees who decline a good faith offer to return at the same pay and hours as before they were laid off or furloughed. The guidance released Friday includes a requirement for borrowers to notify the state unemployment office of an employee’s rejected offer within 30 days of that rejection.

Definition of full-time equivalent as 40 hours, and two methods for calculating FTEs for non full-time employees.

Declaration that borrowers can restore forgiveness if they rehire employees by June 30 and reverse reductions to salaries and wages for FTE employees by June 30. The guidance said loan forgiveness totals would not be reduced for both hours and wage reductions for the same employee.

The 19-page interim rule on PPP review procedures and related borrow and lender responsibilities covers procedural details. Most notably the rule:

Establishes that the SBA may review any PPP loan, regardless of size, to determine if the borrower is eligible for PPP loans under the CARES Act, whether the borrower calculated the loan amount correctly and used the funds for eligible costs, and whether the borrower is eligible for the amount of loan forgiveness it requests.
Declares that borrowers may appeal SBA determinations within 30 days of receipt. The guidance also says an appeal process will be established, with the specifics coming in a later interim final rule.

Requires lenders to decide on loan forgiveness within 60 days of receipt of the complete application from the borrower. The SBA then has 90 days to review the loan forgiveness application.

Clarifies that borrowers may be asked questions by lenders and the SBA

Confirms that lenders will not be paid their fees for any PPP loans the SBA deems ineligible .This includes a 1-year clawback provision on bank fees for those loans.

The PPP in brief

Congress created the PPP as part of the $2 trillion Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act, P.L. 116-136. The legislation authorized Treasury to use the SBA’s 7(a) small business lending program to fund loans of up to $10 million per borrower that qualifying businesses could spend to cover payroll, mortgage interest, rent, and utilities. PPP borrowers can qualify to have the loans forgiven if the proceeds are used to pay certain eligible costs. However, the amount of loan forgiveness will be reduced if less than 75% of the funds are spent on payroll over an eight-week loan forgiveness period.

Congress established the PPP to provide relief to small businesses during the coronavirus pandemic as part of the CARES Act. PPP funds are available to small businesses that were in operation on Feb. 15 with 500 or fewer employees, including not-for-profits, veterans’ organizations, Tribal concerns, self-employed individuals, sole proprietorships, and independent contractors. Businesses with more than 500 employees in certain industries also can apply for loans.

The AICPA’s Paycheck Protection Program Resources page houses resources and tools produced by the AICPA to help address the economic impact of the coronavirus.

For more news and reporting on the coronavirus and how CPAs can handle challenges related to the pandemic, visit the JofA’s coronavirus resources page.

—Jeff Drew ( is a JofA senior editor.

I met Robert Kyosaki in 1990, long before his Rich Dad books brought him fame...My wife's brother is a close friend of his, and eventually he would lecture with Robert and his crew in places like Australia and New Zealand in the late 90's and the 2000's. I think Robert is an interesting character, if a bit of a showman....but I credit Robert with making me understand that debt can be a tool, and how it's related to cash flow.....and much later it would be Daniel Amerman who also re-inforced that teaching.....but this guy Duncan is worth listening to......because he totally groks what is going right now with the money it will work, or gets really good around the 27-28 minute mark, for those who don't have time to listen to it all.

The way Robert got started lecturing about money is interesting....his money mentors were followers of Bucky Fuller...and Robert and his original couple of teaching partners were deeply influenced by Fuller....I think all this is documented in his first couple of bestsellers, which came out a long, long time ago now.

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Philippine president says without a vaccine, sending children to school 'spells disaster'.

Children were due to return to school at the end of August but Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has said the risk is too great

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has said he will not allow students to go back to school until a coronavirus vaccine is available, even as some countries resume in-person classes.

Without a vaccine, sending children to school "spells disaster", Duterte said during a televised address late on Monday.

"I will not allow the opening of classes where students will be near each other," he added. "Unless I am sure that they are really safe, it's useless to be talking about opening of classes."

Children were due to return to school at the end of August after classes for more than 25 million primary and secondary students were shut down in March as the contagion took a firm hold in the Philippines.

But Duterte said the risk was too great, even if it held students back academically.

"For me, vaccine first. If the vaccine is already there, then it's okay," he added. "If no one graduates, then so be it."

There is currently no vaccine available and no known treatment to cure COVID-19, the highly infectious respiratory disease caused by the new coronavirus. Though researchers across the world have launched an unprecedented effort to quickly develop a vaccine, it is not clear when a viable candidate will be proven and distributed on a large scale.

"The coronavirus has not disappeared despite social distancing and it will continue to spread until there is a vaccine," infectious diseases expert Amesh Adalja of the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security told Al Jazeera.

"We will have a second and even third wave if there is no vaccine," he said. "We do know that coronavirus is, in general, accelerate their spread in the fall and winter as environmental conditions favour their transmission."

There have been 14,319 confirmed coronavirus cases in the Philippines as of Monday, including 873 deaths, according to the Department of Health.

Metro Manila and high-risk areas for infections are under relaxed lockdown until May 31, which has allowed some industries and business establishments to resume limited operations.

Public school normally runs from June to April in the Philippines, but authorities pushed back the start for August 24 as cases rose and a strict lockdown brought most of the nation to a halt.

But the Department of Education has stressed that "school opening will not necessarily mean traditional face-to-face learning in [the] classroom".

"The physical opening of schools will depend on the risk severity grading or classification of a locality," it said when it announced the new academic calendar.

In order to ease classroom crowding, the education ministry had announced a mix of distance-learning measures, including online classes, that would be used for the coming school year.

But millions in the country do not have access to computers at home, which would be key to the viability of online classes.

Some parents have turned to home-schooling their children, with the help of instructions from the schools.

The pandemic has kept children around the globe home for months, but in-person classes have begun to resume in countries including South Korea and France.

Duterte is  a piece of work. He is probably worried about the risk of Philippine kids getting educated enough to vote his autocratic ass out of office, more than anything having to do with their health.

Manila, where my daughter-in-law's parents live, is on my bucket list to visit.......I hope after COVID and Duterte are both gone.

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 I am wishing I could get three more yards of compost in my own beds. All soil here has to be made or bought. The natural dirt here is too alkaline to even amend....I buy (when I can afford to) bulk soil and haul it in my dump trailer...which is a damned handy thing to have for a gardener with no dirt.

The beds you see are maybe 6 years old and they have had compost added a couple of times....not this year, however. By the time I thought about it, it was too late. If you learn to compost, you can build your own soil where you are, I'm sure.

Most of the beds you saw in my garden were part of a couple of old docks that I tore down out at the lake. At some point I went to new lumber, but it isn't my preference.

Just tried to airdrop more pics but I can't figure out where they went.....I'm an analog man in a digital world. I'll try again later. Somewhere I have a file overflowing with garden pics now....if I could find it.

I found this website from the YouTube video I posted about Jordan Peterson's horrible ordeal with taking a Benzodiazepine, on Surly's News yesterday.,13577.15.html

Benzodiazepine Information Coalition


Benzodiazepines are a class of medication known as “anxiolytics” and are listed as a schedule IV controlled substance. They are often prescribed for anxiety, insomnia, seizures, and alcohol withdrawal, but are used for a vast array of off-label uses such as restless leg syndrome, muscle spasms, tinnitus, dementia, mania, and akathisia. Commonly prescribed benzodiazepines include Klonopin (clonazepam), Ativan (lorazepam), Xanax (alprazolam), Valium (diazepam), Onfi (clobazam), Tranxene (clorazepate dipotassium) and Librium (chlordiazepoxide).

Most prescribing guidelines recommend against benzodiazepine use for more than 2-4 weeks consecutively. While we don’t know the exact number, as estimates vary, a large percentage of patients prescribed benzodiazepines long term (more than 2 to 4 weeks) will develop physical dependence and experience problems safely stopping the medications. No matter how much they desire to withdraw, many experience debilitating mental and physical withdrawal effects.

It cannot be predicted at the time of prescription or cessation which patients will be able to successfully withdraw from a benzodiazepine without life altering complications, but for those whose withdrawals are complex, cessation may become a lengthy, life-altering process. It is imperative that doctors and patients are educated about the available methods of tapering. (We offer a printable pamphlet providing a summary of patient-centered cessation here.) The methods discussed below have been developed through clinical experience, research, and by patients who have successfully completed a benzodiazepine taper.

An Important Note about Physical Dependence versus Addiction
Prescribed physical dependence is not addiction. Misdiagnosis and treating prescribed physical dependence as addiction frequently leads to patient harm through the imposing of dangerous forced or over-rapid cessation methods. More information can be found at:

Why Prescribe Benzo Patients Shouldn’t Go to Detox or Rehab
Benzodiazepine Related Problems; It’s Almost Never Addiction
Words Can Hurt Those on Benzodiazepines.
There is also FDA guidance to help distinguish the differences between physical dependence, addiction, and abuse:

Physical dependence is not synonymous with addiction; a patient may be physically dependent on a drug without having an addiction to the drug. Similarly, abuse is not synonymous with addiction. Tolerance, physical dependence, and withdrawal are all expected biological phenomena that are the consequences of chronic treatment with certain drugs. These phenomena by themselves do not indicate a state of addiction.

Additionally, the DSM-V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) states:

“Dependence” has been easily confused with the term “addiction” when, in fact, the tolerance and withdrawal that previously defined dependence are actually very normal responses to prescribed medications that affect the central nervous system and do not necessarily indicate the presence of an addiction.

How Benzodiazepine Use Alters the Body
The underlying physical changes that result in benzodiazepine tolerance and withdrawal remain unknown. One hypothesis is that since benzodiazepines work by enhancing the neurotransmitter GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid) at the GABA-A receptor, long-term benzodiazepine use may down-regulate GABA receptors, while discontinuation may, with time, upregulate them. GABA receptors are located throughout the body and have many roles. They are an important part of the body’s central nervous system and its response to stress.

Problems with Common Prescriber Cessation Methods
One common method is to instruct the patient to cut their dose by 1/4 weekly. With this method, the patient will be finished tapering in approximately 4 weeks. While some view this as a gradual reduction, the majority of experienced researchers, physicians, patients and prescribing guidelines consider a 4-week taper to be much too rapid. A taper lasting four weeks is usually not enough time for the body to adjust. In fact, this rapid tapering method was found in one study to be ineffective for at least 32-42% of patients who were prescribed benzodiazepines long term, with 90% experiencing withdrawal symptoms.

There are many instances of patients developing a protracted withdrawal syndrome (PAWS) from rapid tapers of this nature. This withdrawal syndrome can last anywhere from 18-24 months, or, in some cases, for years. Slower, more gradual dose reduction, can reduce the severity of withdrawal as well as the risk of PAWS. Beyond protracted withdrawal risks, patients are also put at risk of seizures, and sometimes even death, from over-rapid tapers.

Patients who are physically dependent may also have become so severely sensitized to benzodiazepines that even minute fluctuations in dosage can cause terrible suffering. Since pills are only scored in halves (and many not scored at all), and even halves can be inaccurate, attempting to split pills to evenly distribute the medication into 4 equal parts can exacerbate the severity and fluctuation of symptoms throughout a taper.

Another commonly prescribed method of tapering requires the patient to decrease one of their daily doses throughout the week, over the course of several weeks, until all doses have been removed. This protocol presents the same problems as with the 1/4 dose reduction per week method. Benzodiazepine Information Coalition has observed throughout years in online support groups, representing thousands of patients, that this approach more often than not causes a cluster of disabling mental and physical symptoms, which can persist for months or years. Additionally, instead of a careful, slow steady decline of drug serum levels, skipping doses, or leaving longer time gaps in between doses due to tapering away one dose, leads to even greater fluctuations—peaks and valleys in drug serum levels—sending patients in and out of withdrawal, often resulting in unnecessary pain and suffering.

Safer Tapering Methods
There are many effective tapering approaches for cessation of benzodiazepines for doctors and patients. Unfortunately most benzodiazepines do not come in forms or dosages compatible with easy cessation, so nearly all require manipulating the dosage through some method, be it cutting with a scale, compounding, or the use of liquid. We recommend tapering by no more than 5-10% every 2-4 weeks. This means that, on average, a taper will take about ten months or longer, depending on the patient’s starting dose and individual response.

The Ashton Manual
The Ashton Manual is probably the most well-known and respected method in the benzodiazepine community. It reports a 90% success rate.The Ashton protocol recommends using diazepam to taper, as the benefits of a long half-life are important for tapering. Diazepam’s half-life of up to 200 hours means it can help to prevent secondary issues, like interdose withdrawal (withdrawal symptoms that develop between doses), that can lead to major problems during cessation. Beyond a long half life, diazepam comes in smaller doses than the newer, shorter acting benzodiazepines for tapering. Clonazepam has a medium half-life, and the smallest dose available is 0.125 mg; alprazolam has a short half life, and the smallest dose is .25 mg. While these may seem like “small doses,” when one considers their equivalence to diazepam (0.125mg of clonazepam is approximately equivalent to 2.5 mg of diazepam and .25 mg of alprazolam is approximately equivalent to 5 mg of diazepam), they are not so small. Discontinuing from these dosage levels is not recommended, so they must be reduced by smaller than even halves or quarters of the lowest available manufactured doses available. For a discussion on the many problems arising from available dosage sizes, see Why Currently Available Benzodiazepine Doses Prevent Safe Withdrawal.

As with any recommended guideline, it is important to remember that the patient should be allowed to dictate the rate and pace of their taper depending on their individual response to dose reduction. If symptoms are severe or disabling, the taper may be suspended for a few weeks until symptoms subside. Oftentimes this resolves the problem and the patient may then resume their taper. It is not uncommon for benzodiazepine tapers to take longer than one might expect due to individual responses.

While Ashton recommends diazepam due to its long half-life for tapering, other guidelines recommend staying on the originally prescribed benzodiazepine if withdrawal symptoms are tolerable. As with any new medication introduced, there is a risk of an adverse reaction. Some patients do not respond well to diazepam. Additionally, the Ashton Manual is reportedly too fast for many patients, with some finding the schedule of reductions too large to adjust to at once. A stepwise substitution from a shorter half-life drug to a longer-acting benzodiazepine can take weeks to adjust to before patients can begin or resume their taper. This adds more time to what is already perceived as a painful, even life-altering project. Since benzodiazepine usage and withdrawal often creates numerous complex symptoms, it can be difficult to know if someone is suffering from an adverse reaction to new medication, or is simply symptomatic due to the neuroadaptations caused by long term exposure to benzodiazepines. So while the Ashton Manual has proven to be successful for many people, patients and prescribers should be prepared to make adjustments, or to explore other tapering options, such as those discussed below.

Dry Tapering
This is a popular method due to convenience and the potential initial complexity of other methods. It involves using a pill cutter or scale, and cutting or shaving off a pill to make reductions. There are various methods for dry tapering, including micro-tapering (removing smaller microgram amounts more frequently) and larger cut-and-hold tapers (removing larger milligram amounts, a percentage of the current dose all at once followed by a hold).

Tapering Strips
A newcomer to the cessation market are Tapering Strips, developed by Dr. Peter Groot in the Netherlands. These strips offer very gradual reductions. Taper rates can be adjusted according to patient need and ordered in advance. The benzodiazepines offered are Ativan (lorazepam), Valium (diazepam), Klonopin (clonazepam) Serax (oxazepam), Restoril (temazepam), and Imovane (zopiclon). As Tapering Strips is a Netherlands based operation, availability will vary by country. On their site, they state they will ship them outside of the Netherlands with a prescription in accordance with legislation in place for the patient’s country. The expected delivery time is one week. A video explanation of the strips from a benzodiazepine patient who successfully tapered using these strips in the UK can be viewed here.

Online support communities have developed systems of “micro-tapering” to help distribute medication evenly throughout the day in order to avoid interdose withdrawal symptoms. Micro-tapering utilizes small daily microgram reductions that add up to a 5-10% overall reduction (from current dose) every month. Daily micro reductions also help to avoid the physical and mental turmoil that larger weekly reductions may create for those who are very sensitive. Keeping track of dose reductions usually requires a daily log or spreadsheet.

Dry Micro-taper
Some patients micro taper with a scale, removing a small amount, anywhere from 0.001 to 0.003 grams per day, or every few days. This method can be initially intimidating, but there are a few different approaches to accomplish it. There are videos and resources in support groups like BenzoBuddies available to explain the various methods. Many patients who find the Ashton Manual intolerable, but who are not able, for whatever reason, to utilize a liquid approach, choose this method.

Liquid Micro-taper
Oral diazepam solution (Roxane Laboratories) can be a valuable tool in micro-tapering and comes as a manufacturer 5mg/5mL (1mg per mL) solution in the US. Using a 1mL oral syringe, patients can, for example, measure as little as 0.05 mg to 0.1 mg less of the total dose every day, or every 3 or more days. (How much is reduced depends on the individual response of the patient, their dose, and desired rate of reduction). For an even more diluted solution and smaller dose reductions, this diazepam solution can be safely combined with water. For those who cannot tolerate oral diazepam solution, or cannot tolerate diazepam at all, a prescription for a liquid compound of the patient’s original benzodiazepine can alternatively be used.

Suspending vehicles such as “OraPlus” can be combined with crushed pills or the stock powder form of most benzodiazepines. Most compounding pharmacists will have access to a database that allows them to choose the appropriate suspending agent for each specific benzodiazepine. Liquid compounds may make it easier for the patient to control the rate of taper and require less work on their part compared to other tapering methods. We recommend choosing a pharmacist associated with the International Academy of Compounding Pharmacists or the Professional Association of Compounding Pharmacists.

Finally, there is the method known in the online support community as “liquid titration.” Some patients may not tolerate compounded liquids due to multiple factors, such as intolerance to the suspending vehicle. Others may have a difficult time finding a doctor who is willing to prescribe diazepam or a prescription for a compounded suspension of their current benzodiazepine, or patients may find the cost of compounded liquid is prohibitive. Many who have found themselves in this predicament have successfully tapered on their own by making a homemade suspension in water or milk. A pill is either crushed or allowed to disintegrate in a pre-measured mL amount of  liquid. Some only use water, while some use water with an added solvent (like alcohol). Using an oral syringe, a measured amount (in mLs) of liquid is removed from this suspension and discarded, the remainder ingested. These reductions are cumulative (although the size of them in mLs, or the mg/mL ratio of drug to liquid, can be easily adjusted to slow the taper rate down if need be) until the dose is small enough to stop. This method is less difficult than it sounds, and many have successfully tapered on their own using this method.

Tapering Strategies
Recommended Taper Rate
As mentioned before, it is often difficult to taper medications that are not designed for gradual reduction. The general guideline is to not exceed a 5-10% reduction of the current dose every 2-4 weeks. More information on the specifics of a 5-10% taper can be found here.

Conversion Rates for Benzodiazepines
Another tricky aspect of switching to a longer acting benzodiazepine is conversion. Ashton created a guide of estimated conversions. This guide can vary significantly from other charts as well as individual physician opinions. It is best to let the patient decide their optimal conversion dose (if they try a more conservative chart and feel underdosed or in withdrawal, they should be allowed to increase the dose until comfortable). Unlike opiates, benzodiazepine equivalents are not studied or mandated by the FDA, and individual responses may differ.

Medications to Alleviate Withdrawal Symptoms
Currently, there are no FDA-approved medications for alleviating the symptoms of benzodiazepine withdrawal. Add-on medications such as Neurotin (gabapentin), Lyrica (pregabalin), Catapres (clonidine), BuSpar (buspirone), and antidepressants may be suggested but are not required to taper. There is little to no evidence base for their effectiveness as withdrawal aids, and some may also require their own taper or create their own adverse effects. The British National Formulary guidance on benzodiazepines states, “The addition of beta-blockers, antidepressants and antipsychotics should be avoided where possible.”

Benzodiazepine Information Coalition’s experience from the reports of the many thousands of people in online benzodiazepine support groups have found that many patients withdrawing from benzodiazepines develop multiple sensitivities to other medications which seem to aggravate symptoms of withdrawal, with many of these medications requiring their own lengthy taper afterwards. With a sufficiently slow, patient-led taper, additional medications are usually ineffective and sometimes counter-productive.

Dosing Multiple Times per Day
Many patients find it particularly helpful to take their dose several times per day, depending on the half life of their particular benzodiazepine. For example, patients taking diazepam may benefit from evenly dividing their dose 2 or 3 times per day; those on clonazepam may benefit from dosing 3-4 times per day; whereas those taking lorazepam may need to dose 4-5 times per day. Some patients on alprazolam may require 5-6 doses per day just to maintain steady serum levels. Where possible, all doses should remain as even as possible in mgs as well. Patients who dose evenly and at regular intervals are more likely to successfully complete a benzodiazepine taper because they do not experience severe “drops” throughout the day between doses that may make discontinuation intolerable. These symptoms are commonly referred to as “interdose withdrawal.”

The most important thing in cessation is patient safety. There is no perfect method guaranteed to avoid a painful withdrawal, which is why preventing physical dependence to begin with is crucial, but many of the methods mentioned can lead patients to a tolerable taper, and all of them maximize the patient’s chance for successful cessation and complete healing. In some rare cases a rapid withdrawal might be considered a lesser evil—for example, if the patient becomes paradoxical, but this occurs extremely infrequently. Many patients have an understandable desire to withdraw from medication they no longer wish to take as quickly as possible, but with benzodiazepines, once signs of physical dependence are present, this is often the most risky and dangerous approach. Whether working closely with a prescriber, or withdrawing with limited assistance, each patient should taper at the rate that is most comfortable for them. No compliant patient should ever be made to taper or be forced off of benzodiazepines against their will, and the methods listed here should make it clear that, should a patient choose to withdraw, there are many ways to accomplish this without relying on rapid tapers, oversized reductions, or cold turkeying.


My two cents on Benzos.....aand I do know a little, because I've prescribed them for over 30 years...but only for one-time dosing for dental anxiety....absolutely no additional pills, ever , for anybody. But I have also had patients who are hooked on them...and I can't imagine a more insidious class of drug,,,,,in spite of what you posted about JP, I personally know of people who used them who ended up with slow withdrawals still bringing on seizures...and some individuals seem to become permanently affected....sort of a drug induced epilepsy that they never really get over.

Xanax is what I generally prescribe (very occasionally Halcyon instead)...and it is such a potent amnesiac drug that normal people often barely remember their appointments the next day.....and prolonged use leads to a bad tolerance problem. A quarter milligram is the "anti-anxiety" dose, but I've know addicts who had to take a milligram four times a day. I cannot imagine life with this drug as an ongoing phenomenon.. I had heard about JP and his trip to Russia.

I don't think his all meat diet is related in any way to this, btw. If you don't know, in addition to his being attacked by half the people on the planet for his politics, he also had to deal with his wife's health issues...she is recovering ( I hope anyway) from a serious bout with cancer,

As a therapist, he should have known better than to take the Klonopin in the first place, but even intelligent people fall into these traps.

The part about "not being addicted" is bullshit. That is a big part of what addiction IS,,,,,,being physically dependent on some substance. Of course JP was an addict. You don't let somebody put you in an induced coma unless you're pretty desperately addicted....I hope he makes it out on the other side of recent interviews he has looked like a wraith.

Doomsteading / Re: Meanwhile back at the 'stead
« on: Today at 08:28:19 AM »
Nice beds.

Weeds are always a are bugs. I can't grow certain things cabbage. Just not worth the struggle.  Learn about BT. (Bacillus thuringiensis) I can't pronounce it, but it's something that helps with the bugs and it's all natural and safe.

I had some other pics, but I apparently did not successfully airdrop them all the first time.

This is a typical goldbug biased infomercial.  Provided for amusement purposes.

There is no people are buying gold to hedge for inflation. Riggghhtttt!!!!

I am waiting for gold to be capped hard at some point...because they can, and will. Buying gold now is probably not a terrible idea...for anybody who has the money (I don't)....but I don't view it as an exceptionally strategic would be better, because at some point you can spend it on what are likely to be bargains. Gold is no bargain at these prices.

Inflation ahead? US velocity of money hits multi-decade lows
NEWS | 00:58 GMT | By Omkar Godbole

The US velocity of money, as measured by the M2 money stock ratio quarterly seasonally adjusted, has declined to 1.374, the lowest level since at least 1960s, as per the data tweeted by Jeroen Blokland, Portfolio Manager for the Robeco Multi-Asset funds.

The velocity of money equals the average number of times an average dollar is used to buy goods and services per unit of time. Inflation depends on growth in the money supply and velocity of money.

While the Federal Reserve has increased the money supply by leaps and bounds over the years and more so recently to ensure the smooth functioning of credit markets amid the coronavirus crisis, the velocity of money has tanked.

As a result, a sharp rise in inflation looks unlikely. Even so, gold, a hedge against inflation, could continue to rise on the back of the Fed's unprecedented balance sheet expansion. The yellow metal has already gained over 10% this year and was last seen trading at $1,730 per ounce.

Surly Newz / Re: Pompeo
« on: Today at 07:17:16 AM »
And ......the most rapacious of the rapcacious Koch bro bag men...even more rapacious than VP Pensive (every photo op suggests a corn cob in an unnamed orifice).

When Trump made Pompeo Secretary of State, I knew this democracy jig was up for good. The gloves are off, and the only thing keeping Pompeo from donning his cosplay Darth Vader suit is one more election cycle so badly botched by the Democratic Party that everyone left in American politics is some brand of Republican.

Surly Newz / Re: Crumbs for the hungry
« on: Today at 07:09:01 AM »
 We are prisoners of a rapacious political class that uses every crisis to give their corporate masters another advantage, to be financed by the wage earners and the middle class, what's left of it.

It's called lack of accountability. Politicians are in no way responsible for doing anything right. People might consider that they voted for these austerity loving rich bastards who only vote to feather their own nests...and those of the uber-rich.

But they don't get it, apparently.

The Roofers are celebrating at least.   :icon_sunny:

Is roofing an essential bizness?  ???   :icon_scratch:


Hailstones bigger than grapefruit pummeled a north Texas town on Friday

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<p data-elm-loc="1">There’s hail, there’s big hail, and then there’s what fell on Burkburnett, Tex., about 10 miles north of Wichita Falls, on Friday afternoon. Hail topping five inches in diameter crashed like meteors on the town, punching holes through home roofs and leaving craters in the ground.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="2">Officially, the largest recovered stone came in at a whopping 5.33 inches across, roughly the length of an iPhone 6. To put it differently, this hail was wider than many grapefruits and exceeded the diameter of a typical DVD. It weighed in at nearly a pound.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="3">Social media images circulated Friday evening of what appeared to be a chunk of ice that took both hands to hold. An 8-year-old <a href="" target="_blank">recovered[/url] one of the whoppers after the storm passed. Another resident <a href="" target="_blank">compared[/url] one of the stones to a softball.</p>
<p class="interstitial-link " data-elm-loc="4">>[‘The strongest wind I have ever experienced’: Friday’s storm chase in Texas was one to remember]</p>
<h3 data-elm-loc="5">Confirming a monster hailstone</h3>
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 <span class="pb-caption">A hole left when a softball-size hailstone punctured a roof in Burkburnett, Tex., and landed in a family's bathroom on May 22. (Rick Smith/NWS Norman)</span></div>
<p data-elm-loc="7">One of the largest hailstones was first measured by a broadcast meteorologist from a Wichita Falls station, which led to the 5.33-inch value that officially went in the books. Rick Smith, the warning coordination meteorologist at the National Weather Service office in Norman, Okla., stopped by to investigate the hail while en route to inspect for tornado damage.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="8">“I went down there to survey the tornado tracks and was especially interested in what happened west of Bowie,” Smith said. He said he was skeptical after seeing the photos on social media but was able to confirm what happened.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="9">“I held at least two [five-inch hailstones] in my hand yesterday, so it was legit,” Smith said Sunday. One of the homeowners who found a five-inch hailstone reached out to the National Weather Service via Facebook.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="10">“One of the local [meteorologists] went to their house Friday night at like 10 or 10:30, they measured it, they gave us what we thought was a reliable report … by the time I looked at it yesterday, it had sublimated a bit,” Smith said. Sublimation is the process through which a material transitions directly from solid to gas.</p>
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<p data-elm-loc="13">Areas that experienced the mega hailstorm wound up with significant hail damage to vehicles and structures.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="14">“I visited one home where a four-inch hailstone made it all the way through the bathroom ceiling and onto the bathroom floor,” said Smith. “I was standing in their bathroom looking up at the ceiling.” Insulation can be seen on the stone in a photo he took.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="15">Smith noted a number of residents even reported craters in their yards from the giant hail.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="16">“Smartly, they didn’t run out while the hail was falling. The two five-plus-inch hailstones that I got to see were fairly close together … about a half-mile away."</p>
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<p data-elm-loc="19">Residents “were giving me a list of other homes that had damage,” Smith said. “There’s no doubt there were more holes in roofs, more hail damage than we even know about. This was not just one five-inch stone, it was probably multiple four to five-inch stones. That kind of hail is rare, but to get that volume of it is incredibly rare.”</p>
<p class="interstitial-link " data-elm-loc="20">[Costly hailstorms are rapidly increasing. Here’s what the weather community is doing about it.]</p>
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<p data-elm-loc="23">Smith also confirmed three weak tornadoes on the survey, but the specifics are still being determined. No damage to structures was reported, however.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="24">“We had a tornado west of Burkburnett, and one east of Burkburnett. And we had … one in Clay County,” in Texas, he explained.</p>
<h3 data-elm-loc="25">Was it a record?</h3>
<p data-elm-loc="26">The hailstone was enormous but fell just shy of an even larger Texas hailstone found almost exactly a year ago. Hail up to 5.5 inches in diameter fell in Wellington in the Texas Panhandle on May 20, 2019.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="27">A 5.5-inch hailstone was also found in Smithville, about an hour southeast of Austin, on March 18, 2018. It came up short of the six-inch stone collected by a storm chaser near Sunray, also in the Texas Panhandle, in June 2010.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="28">Smith said he believes the hail that affected Burkburnett was even bigger than 5.33 inches originally but says there’s no telling how much so, because of melting and the handling of the chunk of ice.</p>
<p data-elm-loc="29">“We’re going to reach out to media partners and staff and talk about how to handle these giant hailstones from a data perspective,” he said. “We were very concerned about ‘how do you handle this?’ You’re not supposed to touch [them] with bare hands. You should put [it in the] freezer in [a] sealed plastic bag … there are lots of things like this. It’s quite likely [this hailstone] could have been much bigger.”</p>
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 <span class="pb-caption">An eight-inch hailstone claimed a national record when the monstrosity landed in Vivian, S.D., on July 23, 2010. (NWS/NCDC)</span></div>
<p data-elm-loc="32">Officially, the U.S. hail record, and long-standing global record, comes from a <a href="" target="_blank">hailstone[/url] that fell on Vivian, S.D., on July 23, 2010. It measured in at eight inches in diameter and nearly two pounds in weight. Initial reports suggested its spiked protrusions would have brought it to 11 inches across, but fragmentation upon hitting the ground — as well as melting and sublimation due to a power outage while storing it — made a dent in its size.</p>
<p class="interstitial-link " data-elm-loc="33">>['Gargantuan' Argentina hailstone in 2018 may have surpassed world record]</p>
<p data-elm-loc="34">Hailstones between 7.1 and 9.3 inches in diameter also fell near Córdoba, Argentina, in 2018. Hailstones over six inches in diameter are increasingly becoming the subject of scientific fascination and study, recently earning their own category title: gargantuan.</p>

Looking a little dark to the North of us right now...I don't necessarily like darkness to the north this time of year, the season that brought down a C5 twenty miles north of here in Jarrell several years back, now. I think the very southern edge of the prairie is a dangerous place this time of year. The weather is always borderline flaky in Texas in  the can't decide to heat up or cool off..and when those two things try to happen at once, all bets are off.

Doomsteading / Re: Meanwhile back at the 'stead
« on: Today at 05:33:19 AM »
I must tell you, your garden pictures are impressive. Very nice.

Back in the day when I would visit Kunstler's website, he had a section devoted to his garden. It was spacious, and well cared for, very much the upstate New York gentleman farmer's sort of place. JHK has nothing on you, except maybe some square footage. Hard to tell.

Between that and the boathouse, you've been busy.

Thanks Surly.

My garden is probably a little smaller than JHK's. It's on two little terraces between my pool and the septic field down below.....a part of my yard that for many years was an eyesore....and a landscapers nightmare.  I am happy that it turned out to be pretty esthetic,,,,,,,as far as food, it is only sufficient to provide a small but welcome supplement. I hope to get more real nutrition going.....but I haven't spent much time on the aqua/hydro stuff I've been planning. I will get back to that when the boathouse is finished enough to let go of that for a while.
Adventurer daughter, the middle one, has done all the heavy lifting on the garden this year...She has just finally gotten all her pre-recs done for medical school and has been studying massively for the MCAT...the garden is a little break for her. I only wish I could stay on task half as well as she does...but we raised her like an Asian kid...she is a human doing.

I have to work on the little powerboat...the one I built the boathouse to house......I expect it will be well into the summer before I'm able to just jump in the boat and go for a ride without using the dreaded boat ramp..the way I have imagined it,

Doomsteading / Re: Meanwhile back at the 'stead More Garden Pics
« on: May 25, 2020, 02:12:38 PM »
I took these a few days back.....uploads are faster today, so I'll post them finally.

Tomatoes In the Keyhole Garden
Tomatoes In the Keyhole Garden

Herb Bed With White Dog
Herb Bed With White Dog

Onions down below.


Survivor chard and new greens
Survivor chard and new greens

How I use fence panels to build my garden gates and fences
How I use fence panels to build my garden gates and fences

Rosemary and Multiplying Onions in the Wicking's gotten way too shady.
Rosemary and Multiplying Onions in the Wicking's gotten way too shady.

Peppers...need to put up shade on these guys.
Peppers...need to put up shade on these guys.

Fig Trees.....year five or so....takes time.
Fig Trees.....year five or so....takes time.

Lettuce Be
Lettuce Be

Doomsteading / Re: A Few More Pics of the Boathouse
« on: May 25, 2020, 01:30:45 PM »
We had a spectacular late spring rainstorm here at the lake last night, with lots of thunder and lightning. We sat outside until very late on the deck,  safely watching the rain come down from the protection of the overhanging eaves, while the dogs watched from their big pillowy lakehouse dog beds, with a bit more circumspection.....  just inside the French doors.

There is something healing about the sound of the rain, and the energy of a storm always makes me feel good. In an arid land, rain is a blessing.

I've been reading about Boris Johnson's aide Dominic Cummings.....all the heat he took for leaving London and hunkering down in the rural north....and it occurred to me that I've been doing much the same thing all spring, spending most of my days off work, for the last three and a half months...... out here in Llano county where they have a total of 1 confirmed case of COVID-19.

To get here though, only requires me to drive...and I tried to make no more trips to Home Depot than absolutely necessary, always wore (and still am wearing) my mask......and out here I am practicing a rather extreme form of social distancing...

Of course there was never a legal mandate here to stay indoors.....and I never completely stopped working, since I had a steady stream of emergencies to handle....although we did take every precaution we could...and still are. I worked four days last week...we are maybe up to perhaps 30-40% of our usual schedule.

I glued and screwed the last of the braces on my cantilevered walking deck on the shallow these pics you can see I've  moved the deck planks so they wouldn't get tacked down permanently with the epoxy I was using to glue on the 1 foot long 4X4's that you can see. I laid the boards back down prior to moving them again for this pic, and I'm happy to say the deck is very solid to walk on now, no hint at all of sagging under my 200 pounds. Adding additional  bulk to the structure in the same dimensions as my original glu-lam beams has made the whole structure sturdier, even the roof...although I have some more bracing to do up there, and I need to box in the structure across the "bow" end of the building, which will also make one final tie- in of the two 'walls".

I'm not going to put on any siding. Nobody does that here, and I'm happy that the way it all worked that from most from the 2nd floor deck up at the house..the boathouse is all but invisible....and down at the shoreline.....the  view of the the island across the cove is not blocked at all.......only from one spot....about half way down the path  between the cottage and the shore,,,,does the boathouse roof block the view....fortunately not a spot where anyone spends much time.

A project like this one..for me anyway....becomes a difficult challenge to stay on task until it's much as anything is ever completed.....but it is almost at a point where I could call it finished. I do have to glue on the same inner and outer braces on the deepwater side of the boathouse. About the same amount of work as I did yesterday...but it will be more difficult because  I can't stand chest deep in the water to screw on the braces like I did on the shallow side. The star-drive 6 inch deck screws need a lot of down-pressure to keep the heads from stripping. I stripped a few yesterday and had to back them out with piiers...

The pics load rotated.....but click on them to see them better.

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On the deep side the covering boards are still tacked in place. I have to leave them there to help me align the braces......wet with glue, they wander all over the place if you don't have something to keep them in place. I've taken to drilling a pilot hole through the blocks..which makes putting them on much easier. I start the screws now.....and get a lot of blocks all ready..... and then put the glue on and drive them into place a few at a time.

I have two things to decide.....whether to glue down the covering boards or not...kind of a trade-off. It will make the structure stronger and the deck less prone to warping over time, I think.....but it would make it impossible to disassemble without destroying the whole deck....if boards ever needed replacing.

The other thing is whether to let this layer.....which I intended to deck over with regular 2 foot deck planks placed 90 degrees to the long covering board and secured with lots of just be the final layer instead. It is wide enough to walk on the way it is, and very stout with the braces in place. I might wait a while on the other deck layer.

Surly Newz / Re: The Jordan F. Peterson Bleach Enema Thread
« on: May 24, 2020, 01:29:31 PM »

I'm not really very interested in stoking the flames of JP here.  I'm just not that interested in the man.  I had never heard of him before he came up on the Diner.

You're not the only one.  I never heard of him before the Diner either.

Basically he gets attention from the two opposite poles, those who like what he says because it gives them confirmation of a bias they already have and those who hate him because the implications of what he says are so abhorrent, yet couched in pseudo-intellectual Jungian mythology, which itself is total bullshit.

If I wanna listen to somebody with JPs spin who is erudite and had an even more extensive vocabulary, I'll go back and watch old episodes of William F. Buckley Jr. on Firing Line.

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Ad hom and full of self-aggrandizing bullshit. Hitting the sauce early?

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