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Knarfs Knewz / Re: Knarf's Knewz Channel
« on: March 21, 2019, 07:24:33 AM »
Your reply to knarf:
"I watched most of the video and decided what I thought about it. I gave you back some very honest feedback, and if you want to view that honest feedback as bullshit, then that's your prerogative."

Here's what you characterized as "very honest feedback:"

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Sorry, but it's mostly crap that just reinforces the belief system of the average liberal leaning American. We could take it a line at time and I could show you just how many false assumptions went into the making of this video, but there's no point. It wouldn't change anyone's mind.

I may be wrong, but that reads as an outrageous opinion rather "honest feedback." Your points about FEMA aid notwithstanding.

And then there's this floater:
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you're just completely swayed by your belief system, as is Surly.

IN your opinion, ace, which is that of an aging, well to do American professional whose opinions have veered decidedly rightward during the last three years. I credit myself with the ability to read and write critically and have a decent frame of reference for the changes our country has undergone in the last 60 years. As to what that means, we will surely disagree.

But congratulations: you're now the board enforcer.

Rather than contribute to the rising animus and the smell of stale urine that permeates the forum these days, I'm going to absent myself for a while rather than respond to every backhanded slap, deserved or no. I am mindful of the comments of others who are clearly annoyed by the fact that I am simply not wired to make flat twistings of fact stand as holy writ without a vigorous challenge.

So knock yourself out. I find that I have opened up a giant can of, "Life's too short."


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The Kitchen Sink / Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« on: March 21, 2019, 04:23:54 AM »
[It's only after that when he would take to task the idea that there is "summary execution of black citizens by white cops". Regardless of the statistical data, which Eddie pointed out is never as simple as the media portrays it to be, such a statement is identity politics, pure and simple.

I suspect the families of Eric Garner, Philando Castile, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland, Freddie Gray, Laquan McDonald, et al might beg to differ. Wasn't it Stalin who said, "One death is a tragedy; 1000 deaths is a statistic."

Exactly (I'm not sure if Stalin said it, but he may as well have). You can bet a shooting of a black person by a white cop will be covered to death by the MSM (or media in general) and open all sorts of "discussion" (more like shouting) about systemic racism in this country. They will milk the tragedy for all it's worth.

The statistic that most police shooting victims are white will not be covered at all. Nor will the statistic that most violent crimes are committed by non-white people. First, people find statistics boring and the media doesn't like to cover things that don't pack an emotional punch. Second, it doesn't play into any narrative the media wants to weave - certainly not the one of systemic racism.


I can't reply to your entire post because it is simply too much keeping track of codes and SMS editing. But I have to tell you the your assertion that the "shootings of white people" not being covered is verifiably wrong. 'If it bleeds it leads" is a hoary axiom in newsrooms, and local media dutifully report on police blotters ad infinitum. Every murder, white or black, leaps from headlines and is screeched by newsreaders At the top of the newscast.

If they "milk it for all its worth," blame their business model rather than any ideological agenda.

If most of "violent crimes are committed by non-white people," you'll find that the victims are overwhelmingly nonwhite as well.

Also your assertion that the media, that wholly corporately-owned yet somehow irretrievably liberal bastion of propaganda, is "weaving" a tale of "systemic racism." From where I sit, the media ignore it and change the subject when it comes up.

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Knarfs Knewz / Re: Redacted Tonight: Systemic Racism is a myth
« on: March 21, 2019, 04:05:02 AM »
The only way to know which statistics are "true" ( which probably they all are ) in either case, would be to fact check them all. I think the Dems and Rebups receive a lot of money from corps that influence our lawmakers to come up with grants for University studies to get the kind of statistics that further there self-interest. It goes both ways.

While both major political parties receive torrents of money from parties interested in being first at the trough to pick winners, I'd like to see some evidence that political parties are "grants for University studies to get the kind of statistics that further there self-interest." Corporations and private interests? Sure. They are always interested in waving a self-serving study in the air to prove a point. (See the recent article RE posted in re Bayer/Monsanto.) Monsanto spent years cherry picking some studies and suppressing others.

What is certain is that the culture of academe and its "publish or perish" ethos insures that the world is full of studies. Some have merit, and some don't. For a peek check out the SSRN website: https://www.ssrn.com/index.cfm/en/

It's not limited to social sciences, but encompasses a number of disciplines. And papers from adjuncts on the make for tenure. Very interesting, and certainly many are arguable; but it's evidence.

The hoax perpetrated by Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose is very informative on this topic:

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The point wasn’t to expose academia in general, but rather politically trendy fields that, as Harvard’s Yascha Mounk suggests, “cannot differentiate between real scholarship and noxious bloviating.”

In short, it exposed the academic equivalent of Fake News and its lucrative professional infrastructure. But don’t expect any change: Facing the facts would kill the golden goose.

The Atlantic has a more detailed analysis - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/new-sokal-hoax/572212/

So what are we to make of this? Even in reading the Atlantic article, I am not sure I understand the motivations of the authors. By writing garbage and discrediting the academic journals, they have handed some of the worst people on the planet as loaded weapon. Swell.

The Atlantic article get is correct:

"Sokal Squared is already being used as ammunition in the great American culture war. Many conservatives who are deeply hostile to the science of climate change, and who dismiss out of hand the studies that attest to deep injustices in our society, are using Sokol Squared to smear all academics as biased culture warriors. The Federalist, a right-wing news and commentary site, went so far as to spread the apparent ideological bias of a few journals in one particular corner of academia to most professors, the mainstream media, and Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"These attacks are empirically incorrect and intellectually dishonest. There are many fields of academia that have absolutely no patience for nonsense. While the hoaxers did manage to place articles in some of the most influential academic journals in the cluster of fields that focus on dealing with issues of race, gender, and identity, they have not penetrated the leading journals of more traditional disciplines."

I must say that I really enjoyed the title of one article: “Rubbing One Out: Defining Metasexual Violence of Objectification Through Nonconsensual Masturbation.” Are editors no longer capable of saying, "You're shitting me, right?"

If your post is a single selected instance of attempting to discredit academic research, the you've made it clear you are joining coordinated attack from the right on academe and objective truth. If your post is to say you can't believe everything you read, that's a different story.

I read this on the internet, so it must be true.

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Surly Newz / Doomstead Diner Daily March 21
« on: March 21, 2019, 03:35:00 AM »

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Knarfs Knewz / Re: Redacted Tonight: Systemic Racism is a myth
« on: March 21, 2019, 02:24:05 AM »
The only way to know which statistics are "true" ( which probably they all are ) in either case, would be to fact check them all. I think the Dems and Rebups receive a lot of money from corps that influence our lawmakers to come up with grants for University studies to get the kind of statistics that further there self-interest. It goes both ways.

While both major political parties receive torrents of money from parties interested in being first at the trough to pick winners, I'd like to see some evidence that political parties are "grants for University studies to get the kind of statistics that further there self-interest." Corporations and private interests? Sure. They are always interested in waving a self-serving study in the air to prove a point. (See the recent article RE posted in re Bayer/Monsanto.) Monsanto spent years cherry picking some studies and suppressing others.

What is certain is that the culture of academe and its "publish or perish" ethos insures that the world is full of studies. Some have merit, and some don't. For a peek check out the SSRN website: https://www.ssrn.com/index.cfm/en/

It's not limited to social sciences, but encompasses a number of disciplines. And papers from adjuncts on the make for tenure. Very interesting, and certainly many are arguable; but it's evidence.

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Knarfs Knewz / Re: Redacted Tonight: Systemic Racism is a myth
« on: March 21, 2019, 01:15:49 AM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/WiuOtfHij8Q&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/WiuOtfHij8Q&fs=1</a>

Funny and no doubt a popular show....but the "proof" is the typical kind of proof I always see.....it doesn't really stand up to real scrutiny. Sorry, but it's mostly crap that just reinforces the belief system of the average liberal leaning American. We could take it a line at time and I could show you just how many false assumptions went into the making of this video, but there's no point. It wouldn't change anyone's mind.

The only thing I agree with is your last sentence: "It wouldn't change anyone's mind."

If you were being honest, you would be obliged to define what you say are "false assumptions" and indeed take it "a line at a time." This is the sort of self-justified and airy dismissal we generally get from conservatives who just don't want to hear it: "Liberal" beliefs are "crap." Scientific studies are false assumptions. You look at the video, and its is laden with specific citations from specific sources. Any honest criticism would have to be at least as specific in its refutation, otherwise it's just a blanket dismissal.

And I, for one, find Lee Camp pretty much unlistenable.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« on: March 20, 2019, 06:56:47 PM »
I came back to the Diner, because every other forum I examined, always became some political conflict. //
  There IS so much going on right now about Collapse that I am staying to post these news stories, and throw in some randomness.

For that we are grateful.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« on: March 20, 2019, 06:55:07 PM »
[It's only after that when he would take to task the idea that there is "summary execution of black citizens by white cops". Regardless of the statistical data, which Eddie pointed out is never as simple as the media portrays it to be, such a statement is identity politics, pure and simple.

I suspect the families of Eric Garner, Philando Castile, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland, Freddie Gray, Laquan McDonald, et al might beg to differ. Wasn't it Stalin who said, "One death is a tragedy; 1000 deaths is a statistic."

One of the most important lessons I ever learned was the importance of seeing (or trying to see) things through the eyes of another. I used to think I was effectively colorblind and fair, but it was a friend (a former Black Panther who says he used t HATE white people) who helped me become aware of how radically different ordinary American society looks though black eyes.) Just the act of entering a department store, and automatically have eyes on you, being watched and followed. That's just one infinitesimally small example among dozens daily... the things many of us take for granted look very different from the perspective of black Americans.

People decry "identity politics" which is the tendency of people sharing a particular racial, religious, ethnic, social, or cultural identity to form political alliances. When the dominant society is hostile to those identities, how is this not a sane and reasonable response? As I've said before, the dominant party calls it "political correctness" when the oppressed assert that they are tired of the status quo and act with purpose to change it.

It serves no other purpose than to inflame tensions between two groups of people based on their race, while also implying all individuals within those groups ("black citizens" and "white cops") are homogeneous.

Race relations in this country are already inflamed, and getting worse every day with every massacre or Twitler Tweetstorm. They've been bruised for many decades, and are now bleeding in the Trump era. The implications of the homogeneity you point to are, in my opinion, distinctions that don't make a difference.

I was listening to a Malcolm Gladwell podcast earlier today and he mentioned something in passing that points out the folly of generalizations--
In a discussion about stand-your-ground laws, the implications are that they may increase homicide rates about seven percent. And the sad case of Trayvon Martin notwithstanding, apparently most of the victims are white males. Which is surprising, at least to me. "Stand your ground" laws remove or invert the traditional "duty to retreat" of avoiding confrontation. Specifically:

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In common law, there is a principle called Duty to Retreat, which holds that a person being threatened has a duty to retreat to a place of safety to exhaust all avenue of escape before they can justifiably use force in self-defence. In the past several years, though, about half of American states have passed Stand Your Ground laws. Now, what's a Stand Your Ground law? It's a law that, effectively, repeals Duty to Retreat. It says, "You don't need to exhaust all avenues of escape to claim self-defense in a court of law. You can stand your ground, defend yourself and the law will support that choice." Duty to Retreat is a legal principle that gives people license to act disagreeably. I am not a coward if I cut and run at the first opportunity. I am, in fact, acting morally and responsibly. Stand Your Ground laws sanction the socially agreeable act. They say what matters is that you preserve your honor in front of family and community. I did not run. I stood my ground.
https://simonsays.ai/app.html#!/public/ritzel-tampos/ED46Ozk0k8YN/revisionist-history-s03e07-m-gladwells-12-rules-for-life/X6M0PkJYOGwb

So what are the effects of these laws?

He referenced a study found on ssrn.com (Stand Your Ground laws, homicides and injuries, Journal of Human Resources, summer 2017), and spoke with Chandler McClellan of American University, first author of the study in question. He asserted that states that passed Stand Your Ground laws saw their murder rates rise 7.7% compared to states that didn't pass such laws.

Quote from: McClellan
...people are using these laws and standing their ground in cases where they're actually not being lethally threatened. They could de-escalate the situation, they could get away, but instead, they're choosing to engage in self-defense and use lethal force against this threat and, as a result, you're seeing this kind of net increase in homicide rates.

And the extra people getting killed in Stand Your Ground states are white men. Estimates kind of show about 20%-25% increase in homicides among white males which is a little surprising, but it's what the researcher said "fell out of the model."

The researcher mentioned that the time frame was short and the studies are preliminary. Yet the effects the researchers found fly in the face of what the agenda laden might expect. But it is evidence, as opposed to outrageous opinion and so-called "common sense."

I bring this up only to suggest that often the "conventional wisdom" really isn't.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« on: March 20, 2019, 09:40:34 AM »

Yes, white supremacism exist. What you completely miss is that people like you, working so hard to perpetuate your mythos of equality by legislation, have driven a large segment of angry people directly into the arms of white supremacists and fascists and just about anybody else who will take their legitimate complaints seriously. Trump for instance.
 
You are part of the problem, not part of the solution, as you would like to pretend.

You could be right. Yet I find myself wondering what an alternative might be. To sit silently, benefit from the blessings of white male old-farthood, and not speak out against the summary execution of black citizens by white cops?

To just accept the fact that the Klan and its auxiliaries are resurgent and given succor by Twitler in the White House? That mass murderers now call him out by name as their lodestar? Just shrug and say, "not my problem?"

That would be tough for me. Ultimately, it's unfair.

Where all this ties together, for me at least, is that the conflict between the founding principles and body of law in the US and its actual practice is being stretched thin at a time of limited resources, the availability of which is made worse by conscious strategies of income inequality and political immiseration. (Again, why politics matters.) The social struggles we see now are a result of traditionally oppressed tides of people wanting more pie. And those who make the pies want to keep them or sell them only at a price that is increasingly unaffordable.

Conservatives always go all "free shit army" when such discussions come up. Which is a mistake. The fact is that most people want to work, earn, provide for their family, and otherwise get along in their lives with an even chance of success. Most of the people who I've met in my life would willingly bet on their own number to succeed.

I could go on, but what's the point...

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« on: March 20, 2019, 09:16:37 AM »
I think we've got a 3 three four or five way marriage going on.  Not sure about the number but the the lack of respect shows divorce is in the air.

I think we call all agree that 'racist' being bantered between Diners is inappropriate.  Considering we are all old white farts screaming that epithet at each other makes about as much sense as the wife in a mixed marriage calling her husband a racist.  WTF
So no white people should call out racism where they see it? Or they should just not do it HERE?
One of the remarkable and readily demonstrable things about white privilege is that it REALLY resents having its name said aloud.

Please remember.  Mary Poppins spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down dimwits want to call us strange and deluded any chance they get.  Actors will be showing up and getting in arguments with other Diners will be their sole agenda!  That that analysis may not apply in the present circumstances but our code of conduct to prevent playing that game still applies.  We can't have it both ways. 

Their names are on the Diner Wall of Shame, even before you came along. Divide and conquer always works.

I think Doom should pardon the pun, TRUMP politics here.  As Diners we don't have to buy into the left/right politics of ignorance and narrow minds.  We can define ourselves in terms of the reality of doom.  Our Phosphorus is going.  I'm a Diner because the science says that is the appropriate frame of view not because I have a particular personality or need to be weird.  Some people do pick an ideology because it 'fits' them.  I am not one of those.

In the case of Jordan Peterson we should be looking at his ideas and asking if his spin on 'patriarchy' has any value in the reality of Doom.  Falling into the stupid left /right debate about JP is a disappointment and I'm not liking to see it.  His ideas from a doom perspective do have some merit.

You do it. IN one way, JP reminds me of Ron Paul: you can listen along to a line of argument, and find yourself nodding in agreement, and THEN! he says something utterly outrageous and reason-beggaring. I won't be nuzzling JP's nutsack like others here anytime soon.

The left assumes that resources are bottomless and the world can support an infinite variety of sexual orientations.  It can't.  Fuck the Left.  The left in particular has a problem with JP because many people who identify with the left do not do so for any ideological reasons whatever.  They identify with the left because the left can represent their anything goes nothing matters, more for me points, of view hidden behind a shield of equality and social progress.  JP says there are rules to the game and the 'left' does not want to hear it.

Yet the right assumes that god has ordained existing arrangements and that this is the best that can be done.  Fuck the right and fuck their god.  There is nothing ordained about the current arrangements except that this is what stupid people do.

Concerning JP and the reaction against him.  I'm weary of the term 'patriarchy' being applied to men such as myself who have worked hard to get where they are in life and actually have what they have because they worked for it and made wise choices at least a little bit.  Men who chose to educate themselves and who earned trust by their actions and by showing up for work. 

Certainly a lot of silliness on the left in terms of gender. I would think we'll run out of disposable cash for gender reassignment surgery in about ten minutes. This goes directly to your argument about resources, and lack of them.

Seems some, unwilling to do the time to earn goodies in life think the American cornucopia should just give them free stuff.  They apparently don't know the planet is finite but free riders can't very well criticize other free riders so they choose success as their target instead of themselves.  Passing the buck.  It is what humans do.  What we should be doing is all be doing our part to make a better whole and not be worrying so much about individual slices of pie.

And not a peep about income inequality, governmental capture by the rich, or justice. And THIS is why you can't divorce politics from any discussion of dom, because ultimately it's about the direction and allocation of resources. And the so-called "left" has ben taking it in the chops for the last fifty years. The victory of the counter-revolution against the New Deal, lavishly funded by the Right and abetted by eager volunteers and assorted acolytes, is almost complete.

Politics and doom are connected.  No question about that.  Not getting lost in the politics and keeping the reality of doom as the primary perspective should be how we do things here.  Detractors have and will try and exploit the connection for their own ends.  Don't fall for it.

Ashvin took you guys hook line and sinker.
He certainly made the most of his opportunities.

Appropriate equality is a goal of a committed Doomer.  Why? To all you dufi who don't get it.  For the simple reason resources are finite!  The only argument is about what is appropriate.
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Very good comments. Except that you wholly and enthusiastically view it through the frame offered by the right. I can assure you I don't find myself in your definition. I think more about the lines of "E pluribus Unum," which as radical as a prayer breakfast, but has become hate speech by a galvanized right.

Am absolutely not buying the false equivalency of "both sides." only one side has been punching down, ratfucking elections and fighting dirty in my adult life. The fascist playbook has been written by history several times. The US is following it to the letter.


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Surly Newz / Doomstead Diner Daily March 20
« on: March 20, 2019, 06:33:51 AM »
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The Kitchen Sink / Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« on: March 20, 2019, 06:13:59 AM »
Gee, if you don't want to be made out a racist, maybe you should stop giving voice to racist shit.

There you go again. My contention, which I can defend rationally until well after you're dead ,is that my criticism of stupid racial policy doesn't make me a racist. Of course those who benefit the most from these failed policies defend them. I expect that.

The curious thing is how they get fools like you to carry their water for them. You're a useful idiot for people who'd like to tax you for being white. Why should I support that? It makes no CFS at all.

Poor Dad, tell me one more time how white privilege was how I escaped the trailer park. That's a funny story. I laugh my ass off every time you tell it.

I gave you a specific example in my last post, which you ignored like the water-carrying fool you are.
Keep posting right wing claptrap, then argue how you're not a right winger. No one here who can read without moving their lips is buying,.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: The Intellectual Dark Web (IDW)
« on: March 20, 2019, 02:15:06 AM »
If AG were a hobbit, his name would be Douche Baggins.

And your name would be I Suck Jordan Peterson Cock. So what?

That is the most ad tom thing you have written here, and I would haver thought it beneath you had I not seen you steadily sink the more you post here.

Want to pick on someone? Pick on me.  I'm your huckleberry.

Trump has brought out the best of all the retrogrades.

I have nothing to do with Trump, and you are welcome to go fuck yourself, you poor delusional asshole.

Never said you did. Try reading for comprehension, fuckstick. What I said was Trump's utter lack of decency has shown the rest of those who share his views permission to give voice to their inner troll. Congratulations! Trumpkin or not, you've earned your red hat.

I told you once in a nice way that fucking with me was not something you really ought to do. I put up with AG's bullshit for a long time but I'm completely done with him....and I'll call him out for the self-righteous combative old loser he is, here or anywhere I want to.

No, Eddie, that "nice way" was a veiled threat that I saw through the moment you uttered it. I piss on your threat. I reject it with utter contempt.

With your health issues, you really ought to try to stay calm. I don't want to fight with you, but, on the other hand, I am tired of you misrepresenting nearly everything I say and implying that because I choose to question certain of your favorite narratives that it makes me a racist.

Gee, if you don't want to be made out a racist, maybe you should stop giving voice to racist shit. It wasn't me who said the other day that the assertion "diversity makes his stronger" was a liberal myth. That sentiment, so believed by the drooling right, is a complete reversal of the founding principles of this country, and as I pointed out at the time, contrary to what we taught in elementary schools fifty years ago. Thus has the conservative project to unmoor this country formats (officially stated) principles become even more complete.

And you worry about your own health issues, and I'll worry about mine.

You wouldn't know a white supremacist from a white elephant. 

I guess you missed my latest article. No matter: white supremacists announce themselves regularly. As we see.

I'm going to keep kicking your sacred cows squarely in the ass. Get used to it.

I don't think so. Here's what you need to get used to: having your nonsense shoved up you nose. You have already demonstrated yourself incapable of judging what "bullshit" is. Count on me to challenge every one of your retrograde assertions with vigor.

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Agelbert Newz / Re: It’s the Green New Deal or Else ☠️
« on: March 19, 2019, 06:02:17 PM »
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The FACT that the current incredibly STUPID energy status quo GUARANTEES an INCREASE in the human carbon footprint IS THE ISSUE HERE, Einstein.

THAT is the the REASON we MUST HAVE a GREEN NEW DEAL, that in addition to the one presented, is FAR more ambitious in scale and in scope.

This might shock you, but believe it or not, I'm not against a Green New Deal.
 I'm against:
#1. Political opportunist with Grand Designs schemes that CLEARLY haven't been THOUGHT OUT CAREFULLY.
#2. Political opportunist who want to convince every citizens they can lead the country because they read a 3$ book on climate change they bought at the library 6 months ago.

What would need to be done to have a REMOTE chance of just MITIGATING the worst outcome would require to have the CONSENT of NOT ONLY the US population, but eventually that of all countries. It would require the PLANNED end of CAPITALISM by CONSENSUS.

That's not going to happen. 100% renewables ain't going to happen in my lifetime.
What's going to happen is going to happen; the best we can do is spread the knowledge that explains WHY we got into that Situation ; it's the best way, actually, the only way to achieve maximum cooperation when things get a little dicey...

Maybe you should have a glass of wine while listening to George Carlin's "Saving the Planet" skits ...

Congratulations on your 30 posts.

I have heard all this before.

OF COURSE the GND is not fully thought out or articulated, OF COURSE it is incomplete. But to declare the politician advancing it as being a "political opportunist" betrays a agenda which inexorably bends towards the status quo. Will be get to "100per cent renewables" in your lifetime or not. A squadron of pigs flying out of my ass and circling the moon is far more likely. But to simply cynically dismiss the effort as worthless is to place yourself among those who said "man will never fly" in 1903.

Let me be clear: there is no guarantee that ANYTHING we do at this point will affect global warming in a way that is sufficiently effective for the welfare of humans under any time scale. I can't evaluate whether the Green New Deal will be effective in any way. What the GND DOES is advance the topic and put it in play as part of the national discussion, in the same way that Occupy advanced the terms "income inequality," the "one per cent," "We are the 99%," "Do You Feel it trickle Down?" "Privatized profits, socialized losses," a nd calling for th end to corporate personhood (I won't believe corporations are people until Texas executes one), in reaction to Citizens United.

Occupy lasted for several months but the ideas seeded continue to live on.

As far as the need to "spread the knowledge that explains WHY we got into that Situation," that's been done. And somehow, those people,e whose profits depend upon extracting the last drop of their fossil fuel holdings always manage to derail the conversation and prevent action with purposeful change.

The alternative to deciding to do something is to do nothing. Which is right where they want us.

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Doom Psychology & Philosophy / Re: The Disease of More
« on: March 19, 2019, 05:26:51 PM »

Success is often the first step toward disaster. The idea of progress is often the enemy of actual progress.

I recently met a guy who, despite having a massively successful business, an awesome lifestyle, a happy relationship, and a great network of friends, told me with a straight face, that he was thinking of hiring a coach to help him “reach the next level.”

When I asked him what this elusive next level was, he said he wasn’t sure, that that’s why he needed a coach, to point out his blind spots and show him what he’s missing out on.

“Oh,” I said. And then stood there awkwardly for a moment, gauging how brutally honest I was willing to be with someone I just met. This guy was very enthusiastic, clearly ready to spend a lot of money on whatever problem someone decided to tell him he had.

“But what if there’s nothing to fix?” I said.

“What do you mean?” he asked.


https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-disease-of-more

How about the disease of more spam on the old forum.

Meaning what, exactly?

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