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Nobody opens the blinds to look at nazis in the street because of too much crying wolf about it.

Guess you missed charlottesville. Which should disqualify you from further comment. Tell it to Susan Bro.

Almost all politicians are liars and Democrat lies are not automatically all white lies if they serve to get them into power, which they evidently do not. I say there is a left, because you say there is a right which you oppose, it is therefore nonsense to say there is no left. That is just a transparent ploy to make the outrageous seem normal and ANY objection to it extremist or radical right.

Try to keep up. IN this country, the right has its own TV networks, almost all of AM radio not already hijacked by religious broadcasters, publishign houes cranking out books by retrograde authors to give away as spiff with subscriptions, its own lobbies, and an unfathomably deep well of funding. IN this country, all mass media are by definition corporate, and there a large number of left-wing voices who never get air and are never heard.

You are positing a false equivalency. It does NOT "automatically follow." That's an assertion as meaningless and empty as, "Both sides do it."

By making opposition to forcing trans on children and denying parents the right to know, equated with the right, it follows that forcing it on them is the left.

Who's doing this, again? I raised a daughter by myself and I never had this problem. And who is forcing what on whom? Tolerance for differences?

Giving them puberty blockers based on shaming primarily males but secondarily cisgender, before puberty, when boys and girls do not yet have much dimorphism so are not as sure of being male or female as they would at 14.  Causing irreversible changes to be a lifelong freak with a suicide rate off the chart, instead of your natural development and identity for the vast majority. This is not a good thing just because its of the left. Banning the use of "girls and boys" as well as "ladies and gentlemen" also is a far cry from 'some trans and gay people being accepted somewhere'.

Again (and again) this is an issue only in the fevered reaches of a few disgrunted neofascists who, since they have ALL of the power, have to find a new and exotic grievance.

Controlling 3 branches of govt due to being percieved the lesser evil compared to that, doesnt seem like a fringe to me. At the current rate of desertion, it is the MSM like CNN and its print cohorts that are becoming fringe. Apparently it cant muster a million viewers in prime time, yet AJ just got almost 6 million new subscribers to his newsletter in 48 hrs. Are they all stupid or are they just tired of being treated as such?

If you're following Alex Jones, you are stupid. Write it in ink.
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                Why would you call what Agent Graves has written here "cheap bullshit" Eddie? What are you smoking?

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Nobody opens the blinds to look at nazis in the street because of too much crying wolf about it.

Guess you missed charlottesville. Which should disqualify you from further comment. Tell it to Susan Bro.

Almost all politicians are liars and Democrat lies are not automatically all white lies if they serve to get them into power, which they evidently do not. I say there is a left, because you say there is a right which you oppose, it is therefore nonsense to say there is no left. That is just a transparent ploy to make the outrageous seem normal and ANY objection to it extremist or radical right.

Try to keep up. IN this country, the right has its own TV networks, almost all of AM radio not already hijacked by religious broadcasters, publishign houes cranking out books by retrograde authors to give away as spiff with subscriptions, its own lobbies, and an unfathomably deep well of funding. IN this country, all mass media are by definition corporate, and there a large number of left-wing voices who never get air and are never heard.

You are positing a false equivalency. It does NOT "automatically follow." That's an assertion as meaningless and empty as, "Both sides do it."

By making opposition to forcing trans on children and denying parents the right to know, equated with the right, it follows that forcing it on them is the left.

Who's doing this, again? I raised a daughter by myself and I never had this problem. And who is forcing what on whom? Tolerance for differences?

Giving them puberty blockers based on shaming primarily males but secondarily cisgender, before puberty, when boys and girls do not yet have much dimorphism so are not as sure of being male or female as they would at 14.  Causing irreversible changes to be a lifelong freak with a suicide rate off the chart, instead of your natural development and identity for the vast majority. This is not a good thing just because its of the left. Banning the use of "girls and boys" as well as "ladies and gentlemen" also is a far cry from 'some trans and gay people being accepted somewhere'.

Again (and again) this is an issue only in the fevered reaches of a few disgrunted neofascists who, since they have ALL of the power, have to find a new and exotic grievance.

Controlling 3 branches of govt due to being percieved the lesser evil compared to that, doesnt seem like a fringe to me. At the current rate of desertion, it is the MSM like CNN and its print cohorts that are becoming fringe. Apparently it cant muster a million viewers in prime time, yet AJ just got almost 6 million new subscribers to his newsletter in 48 hrs. Are they all stupid or are they just tired of being treated as such?

If you're following Alex Jones, you are stupid. Write it in ink.
[/quote]. Please someone explain. How does such a sincere, intelligent, analyst and knowledgable poster such as Agent Graves, deserve this kind of treatment and rude retort? And every damn time without end. Whoever is running this should be grateful for a thinker and commentator of her caliber! I don't even understand why she is here!

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Nobody opens the blinds to look at nazis in the street because of too much crying wolf about it.

Guess you missed charlottesville. Which should disqualify you from further comment. Tell it to Susan Bro.

Almost all politicians are liars and Democrat lies are not automatically all white lies if they serve to get them into power, which they evidently do not. I say there is a left, because you say there is a right which you oppose, it is therefore nonsense to say there is no left. That is just a transparent ploy to make the outrageous seem normal and ANY objection to it extremist or radical right.

Try to keep up. IN this country, the right has its own TV networks, almost all of AM radio not already hijacked by religious broadcasters, publishign houes cranking out books by retrograde authors to give away as spiff with subscriptions, its own lobbies, and an unfathomably deep well of funding. IN this country, all mass media are by definition corporate, and there a large number of left-wing voices who never get air and are never heard.

You are positing a false equivalency. It does NOT "automatically follow." That's an assertion as meaningless and empty as, "Both sides do it."

By making opposition to forcing trans on children and denying parents the right to know, equated with the right, it follows that forcing it on them is the left.

Who's doing this, again? I raised a daughter by myself and I never had this problem. And who is forcing what on whom? Tolerance for differences?

Giving them puberty blockers based on shaming primarily males but secondarily cisgender, before puberty, when boys and girls do not yet have much dimorphism so are not as sure of being male or female as they would at 14.  Causing irreversible changes to be a lifelong freak with a suicide rate off the chart, instead of your natural development and identity for the vast majority. This is not a good thing just because its of the left. Banning the use of "girls and boys" as well as "ladies and gentlemen" also is a far cry from 'some trans and gay people being accepted somewhere'.

Again (and again) this is an issue only in the fevered reaches of a few disgrunted neofascists who, since they have ALL of the power, have to find a new and exotic grievance.

Controlling 3 branches of govt due to being percieved the lesser evil compared to that, doesnt seem like a fringe to me. At the current rate of desertion, it is the MSM like CNN and its print cohorts that are becoming fringe. Apparently it cant muster a million viewers in prime time, yet AJ just got almost 6 million new subscribers to his newsletter in 48 hrs. Are they all stupid or are they just tired of being treated as such?

If you're following Alex Jones, you are stupid. Write it in ink.
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Perhaps you can explain why your bedmate, Surly, is exempted from all COC rules.

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               If I am not mistaken, wasn't Jordan Peterson fired from the University of Toronto for refusing to use the demanded politically correct numerous gender identifying pronouns cooked up by these people who have taken a sworn oath for defending their invented theory of gender being a social construct? Isn't this happening everywhere at most liberal universities now? Did JP even have tenure after all these years? Is tenure now part of the extinct species of free speech and inquiry as the academic world has slid back into the period of the Inquisition? So then please inform stupid me, Ashvin, what really was the meaning of the so called Enlightenment, a two edged sword of course, that it would finally lead to this travesty of truth, that truth is not handed down from on high, from the realm of everlasting universals, but resides instead in the basest assortment of base desires, arising from every kind of concupisance according to the vilest individuality such as is the majority in a leveling of society?

He wasn't fired. Fortunately it's people like him, and things like the Lindsay Sheppard affair, and technological advances, which expose the leftist corrupted academia to a point at which they no longer seem to have the option of simply getting rid of the voices they disagree with. Now their favorite tactic is to lump all critical and disagreeable voices into an alt-right racist, sexist, etc. category, which we see on full display here as well. If they were to confront the reality of what's happening around them, it would destroy a deep ideological foundation which they have identified with most of their adult lives. In all sincerity, it's a very tough ask of people in our culture, but then again no one here should shy away from the hard swallow of the red pill.

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One of the most disturbing experiences I had before leaving California for fairer climes, besides the weekly confrontations with really vicious in your face ugly lesbians in Berkley, was a discussion with a young woman leaving for Boston University to do graduate work in "gender studies" determined that all gender was in actuality extremely fluid. And no argument from reputable doctors no longer willing to perform transgender operations for the simple reason that operations do not relieve "gender dysphoria" and too many patients still wind up committing suicide, had any effect on her belief system nor did the reality of a program of lifelong truckloads of opposite sex hormones necessary to keep up the facade and the illusion. Mon Dieu, what kind of parent would submit their child to a life of such horror? But in actuality, the society now being willing to revert to child sacrifice, Satanism, the selling of children to offenders is to me all of the same piece, along with abortion of course. So here we are. And I have woefully digressed too much, I realize. We have come full circle from when the ancient Hebrews were commanded by God to abstain from the child sacrifice practised by all the tribes at that time, and still allowed by many today, to allowing those practises in modern disguise today in reality to service all forms of the lowest hedonism and self and other abuse.
               
              Please offer another interpretation if you wish. I have given mine and do not know what can be done to turn back the destruction of three thousand years of moral and spiritual development. Thank you.

As the postmodernist philosophers say, there are uncountable interpretations of any given set of facts. But there are only a few functional ones, and I'd say yours is a very helpful one.

One of the most astounding dissonances (and hypocrisies) on the far left is their rejection of established science when it comes to gender issues, or biology and social psychology in general. Again, it's a situation where they must EITHER reject the science or abandon their ideological framework, and people have a very tough time doing the latter. It's much a deeper problem than that of a conservative rejecting climate science, because there is no fundamental contradiction between politically conservative views and the reality of climate change or AGW.
              Ashvin, could you possibly speak to how you see the big picture of the ideological framework which you say these people hold, and also importantly from whence it arose and how it took root. I have a couple of ideas that I have garnered, but I may just be jousting at windmills as I have tried to come to an understanding and make some sense of it all. It would truly be appreciated if that were possible..

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                 The more important question as I see it is; what will be the possibilities of thought control?  Aside from the threat of A1 taking over, at what point will the more powerful force the implantation of thought control devices by law? At this time the far left, spewing its constant invectives and spittle flecked directives would seem in the future to be the most enthusiastic supporters of such chaining up of the imagination and thought processes. In other words, will one even be free to "like" or "dislike" even if not spoken about?  At what point do we all become mindless automatons unable not only to speak but to even discern characteristics that may be desirable or undesirable to us as the case may be.
     
                This is what I for one find most frightening and deplorable, that is if any survive "The Fire Next Time".

Exactly. We already see the radical left attempting to control the "permissible" language in certain domains, which, as you eloquently point out, is nothing less than "chaining up of the imagination and thought processes". It is quite literally the first step to tyranny.

We see this in Canada with Bill C-16 in the context of the Ontario Human Rights Commission, which, despite what its defenders claim, is a clear step towards compelled speech and compelled acceptance of social constructionist gender theories. And let's not forget the unabashedly anti-scientific propaganda of the Gender Unicorn which is being foisted upon young children:



The radical left wants us to believe that all of the above vectors are socially constructed and therefore are causally independent from one another. Nothing could be farther from the truth. But don't worry, I'm sure Surly will claim this is just another alt-right projection and nothing to worry about...
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               Thank you for the kind words, Ashvin, but I don't deserve them. My concerns and confusion leave me far from eloquent, ever.

               If I am not mistaken, wasn't Jordan Peterson fired from the University of Toronto for refusing to use the demanded politically correct numerous gender identifying pronouns cooked up by these people who have taken a sworn oath for defending their invented theory of gender being a social construct? Isn't this happening everywhere at most liberal universities now? Did JP even have tenure after all these years? Is tenure now part of the extinct species of free speech and inquiry as the academic world has slid back into the period of the Inquisition? So then please inform stupid me, Ashvin, what really was the meaning of the so called Enlightenment, a two edged sword of course, that it would finally lead to this travesty of truth, that truth is not handed down from on high, from the realm of everlasting universals, but resides instead in the basest assortment of base desires, arising from every kind of concupisance according to the vilest individuality such as is the majority in a leveling of society?

                One of the most disturbing experiences I had before leaving California for fairer climes, besides the weekly confrontations with really vicious in your face ugly lesbians in Berkley, was a discussion with a young woman leaving for Boston University to do graduate work in "gender studies" determined that all gender was in actuality extremely fluid. And no argument from reputable doctors no longer willing to perform transgender operations for the simple reason that operations do not relieve "gender dysphoria" and too many patients still wind up committing suicide, had any effect on her belief system nor did the reality of a program of lifelong truckloads of opposite sex hormones necessary to keep up the facade and the illusion. Mon Dieu, what kind of parent would submit their child to a life of such horror? But in actuality, the society now being willing to revert to child sacrifice, Satanism, the selling of children to offenders is to me all of the same piece, along with abortion of course. So here we are. And I have woefully digressed too much, I realize. We have come full circle from when the ancient Hebrews were commanded by God to abstain from the child sacrifice practised by all the tribes at that time, and still allowed by many today, to allowing those practises in modern disguise today in reality to service all forms of the lowest hedonism and self and other abuse.
               
              Please offer another interpretation if you wish. I have given mine and do not know what can be done to turn back the destruction of three thousand years of moral and spiritual development. Thank you.

                   

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                 The more important question as I see it is; what will be the possibilities of thought control?  Aside from the threat of A1 taking over, at what point will the more powerful force the implantation of thought control devices by law? At this time the far left, spewing its constant invectives and spittle flecked directives would seem in the future to be the most enthusiastic supporters of such chaining up of the imagination and thought processes. In other words, will one even be free to "like" or "dislike" even if not spoken about?  At what point do we all become mindless automatons unable not only to speak but to even discern characteristics that may be desirable or undesirable to us as the case may be.
     
                This is what I for one find most frightening and deplorable, that is if any survive "The Fire Next Time".

Exactly. We already see the radical left attempting to control the "permissible" language in certain domains, which, as you eloquently point out, is nothing less than "chaining up of the imagination and thought processes". It is quite literally the first step to tyranny.

We see this in Canada with Bill C-16 in the context of the Ontario Human Rights Commission, which, despite what its defenders claim, is a clear step towards compelled speech and compelled acceptance of social constructionist gender theories. And let's not forget the unabashedly anti-scientific propaganda of the Gender Unicorn which is being foisted upon young children:



The radical left wants us to believe that all of the above vectors are socially constructed and therefore are causally independent from one another. Nothing could be farther from the truth. But don't worry, I'm sure Surly will claim this is just another alt-right projection and nothing to worry about...
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               Thank you for the kind words, Ashvin, but I don't deserve them. My concerns and confusion leave me far from eloquent, ever.

               If I am not mistaken, wasn't Jordan Peterson fired from the University of Toronto for refusing to use the demanded politically correct numerous gender identifying pronouns cooked up by these people who have taken a sworn oath for defending their invented theory of gender being a social construct? Isn't this happening everywhere at most liberal universities now? Did JP even have tenure after all these years? Is tenure now part of the extinct species of free speech and inquiry as the academic world has slid back into the period of the Inquisition? So then please inform stupid me, Ashvin, what really was the meaning of the so called Enlightenment, a two edged sword of course, that it would finally lead to this travesty of truth, that truth is not handed down from on high, from the realm of everlasting universals, but resides instead in the basest assortment of base desires, arising from every kind of concupisance according to the vilest individuality such as is the majority in a leveling of society?

                One of the most disturbing experiences I had before leaving California for fairer climes, besides the weekly confrontations with really vicious in your face ugly lesbians in Berkley, was a discussion with a young woman leaving for Boston University to do graduate work in "gender studies" determined that all gender was in actuality extremely fluid. And no argument from reputable doctors no longer willing to perform transgender operations for the simple reason that operations do not relieve "gender dysphoria" and too many patients still wind up committing suicide, had any effect on her belief system nor did the reality of a program of lifelong truckloads of opposite sex hormones necessary to keep up the facade and the illusion. Mon Dieu, what kind of parent would submit their child to a life of such horror? But in actuality, the society now being willing to revert to child sacrifice, Satanism, the selling of children to offenders is to me all of the same piece, along with abortion of course. So here we are. And I have woefully digressed too much, I realize. We have come full circle from when the ancient Hebrews were commanded by God to abstain from the child sacrifice practised by all the tribes at that time, and still allowed by many today, to allowing those practises in modern disguise today in reality to service all forms of the lowest hedonism and self and other abuse.
               
              Please offer another interpretation if you wish. I have given mine and do not know what can be done to turn back the destruction of three thousand years of moral and spiritual development. Thank you.

                     

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How much of this is fact or just talk is conjecture. David Stockman  a favorite financial commentator of mine called attention to this article today.

Posting because Rand would have been my pick for President of the United States.

                         



Rand Paul Against the World
 A new report suggests the Kentucky senator is singlehandedly preventing war with Iran.


   Not long ago, Donald Trump’s national security advisor John Bolton was promising regime change in Iran by the end of this year. Uber-hawk Bolton has long wanted war with Tehran. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo isn’t much different, and has even advocated bombing Iran. Secretary of Defense James Mattis has previously recommend U.S. airstrikes against Iranian targets.

Today, Bolton says the U.S. does not to seek regime change in Iran. So does Pompeo. So does Mattis.

Why?

President Trump has been known to be hawkish on Iran. Politico observed Wednesday: “Trump has drawn praise from the right-wing establishment for hammering the mullahs in Tehran, junking the Iran nuclear deal and responding to the regime’s saber rattling with aggressive rhetoric of his own….” There are also powerful factions in Congress and Washington with inroads to the president that have been itching for regime change for years. “The policy of the United States should be regime change in Iran,” says Senator Tom Cotton, once rumored to be Trump’s pick to head the CIA.

    Ron and Rand Paul Cut Through the Foreign Policy Noise
    A Madman on the National Security Council

So what, or who, is stopping the hawks?

Politico revealed Wednesday some interesting aspects of the relationship between Senator Rand Paul and the president, particularly on foreign policy: “While Trump tolerates his hawkish advisers, the [Trump] aide added, he shares a real bond with Paul: ‘He actually at gut level has the same instincts as Rand Paul…’.”

On Iran, Politico notes, “Trump has stopped short of calling for regime change even though Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Secretary of Defense James Mattis, and Bolton support it, aligning with Paul instead, according to a GOP foreign policy expert in frequent contact with the White House.”

But this part of the story was the most revelatory: “’Rand Paul has persuaded the president that we are not for regime change in Iran,’ this person said, because adopting that position would instigate another war in the Middle East.”

This is significant, not because Trump couldn’t have arrived at the same position without Paul’s counsel, but because it’s easy to imagine him embracing regime change, what with virtually every major foreign policy advisor in his cabinet supporting something close to war with Iran. “Personnel is policy” is more than a cliché.

Paul and Trump apparently like making fun of some White House staffers, as Politico also reported: “the Kentucky senator and the commander-in-chief have bonded over a shared delight in thumbing their noses at experts the president likes to deride as ‘foreign policy eggheads,’ including those who work in his own administration.”

Eggheads indeed. For every foreign policy “expert” in Washington who now admits that regime change in Iraq was a mistake (and a whole slew of them won’t even cop to that), you will find the same people making the case for regime change in other countries, including Iran, explaining how this time, somehow, America’s toppling of a despot will turn out differently.

“So let’s understand that the people pushing for regime change in Iran are seeking to destabilize and harm the country…” writes TAC’s Daniel Larison. “Just as many of the same people did when they agitated for regime change in Iraq and again in Syria, they don’t care about the devastation and chaos that the people in the country would have to endure if the policy ‘works.’”

These are the same Washington foreign policy consensus standard bearers who would likely be shaping U.S. foreign policy unfettered if 2011 Libya “liberator” Hillary Clinton had become president—or any other Republican not named Trump or Paul.

When it comes to who President Trump can turn to for a more sober and realist view of foreign policy, one who actually takes into account past U.S. mistakes abroad and tries to learn from them, at the moment it appears to be Paul against the Washington foreign policy world.

President Trump hired regime change advocates as advisors presumably because he wanted their advice, yet there’s evidence to suggest that at least on Iran, certain hawks’ wings might have been clipped.

Most importantly, on arguably the most crucial potential foreign policy decision the president can make—one that could potentially start another disastrous U.S. Middle Eastern war—it appears to be Rand Paul who is literally keeping the peace.

Jack Hunter is the former political editor of Rare.us and co-authored the 2011 book The Tea Party Goes to Washington with Senator Rand Paul.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rand-paul-against-the-world/  :icon_study: :icon_study:
               Thanks for posting this GO. I certainly pray that it is true and that he can keep going strong. Rand Paul would also have been my first choice for president. Don't see that as ever happening now in the place that the US has very tragically become.

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And for anyone who wants exposure to a reasonable, well-informed voices on the left who discuss these issues and are working towards productive solutions to problems of inequality and discrimination, I would recommend either Eric Weinstein or Greg Hurwitz.

Thanks Ashvin, Eric Weinstein certainly seems interesting, reading his remarks on Jordan Peterson and can already glean he is an objective observer from the left.

Excuse my ignorance but just checking on Mr Hurwitz. Are you referencing the famed novelist and author of Orphan X series??

GO, yes that one. He recently had a great interview with JP which on YouTube, which I am posting below:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nj9NEKisvB4" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/nj9NEKisvB4</a>

The great thing about many of these people of the "intellectual dark web" is they commit to long-form discussions on podcasts, youtube and public lectures, sometimes up to 3 hours, so they can treat the subject matter with the proper depth and care, as opposed to the soundbite culture of MSM commentators which fuel the political extremes.

I see where the JP buzz is coming from, now. I really don't see how any person of reasonable mindedness can argue much with what's being discussed in this podcast.  I'm just sorry that I can't be as optimistic as Greg Hurwitz about the possibility of a reboot of the Democrats along the lines he's working toward, which (in my view) would be highly desirable.

Like the old joke about the traveler in Appalachia who asks for directions from the local who eventually gives up trying to explain, and says. "Mr., I just don't think you can get there from here.", my gut tells me that the polarized ideological gridlock we're in now, which is most definitely being exploited by some nasty characters on both sides, is an insurmountable problem.

If Jordan Peterson is an under-the-radar bestselling author, that's encouraging.....but we don't live in a time when intellectuals are heroes anymore, in the broad culture. If JP's readers are mostly white males, that, just by itself, means that he (and they) are likely to continue to be marginalized.

The term idiocracy is probably overused on this site by me and others, LOL, but it's a real thing. It's becoming much easier these days to understand how Europe fell into fascism in the last century.

I mean, I used to really NOT get that at all. How did people fall for a spittle spewing racist like Hitler? It seemed impossible, looking back from my perspective of someone born a mere 10 years after the world's worst nightmare came to an end. Now it's very easy to see us going there again, and we're getting closer by the day.

Anyway, Ashvin, thanks for posting the interview. I think it does get to the heart of some of the problems. Too bad it's far beyond the intelligence level and attention span of the average joe these days. I identify with Hurwitz a great deal. I haven't read him, thrillers having become less of a part of my reading list in recent years.

Part of my own extreme pessimism comes from my own observation that there are no thinking people left capable of seeing two sides, or bridging political divides anymore. I wish him well, but I remain quite skeptical.

Dont forget Karpatok was first to cite JP here, not a white male. In fact it is maybe more than half of such voices that ARE women, not surprising because they cant just be dismissed as white men. Christine Hoff Summers, Lauren Southern and many many others. Unfortunately too many go down the anti immigration path now, and as for the idiocracy, I see time and again in the comments following an article the same thing you see on ZH. Regardless of what the subject was, within the first 5 comments someone will bring up {{{them}}} being responsible for everything, and off it goes from there.
 
              Yes, that seems to be the thinking among Zero Hedge commenters quite often. And as Surly likes to rub your face in it here, if those comments are offensive to you, well, just don't read them. Unless of course it's interesting to you to find that there is a place where people can say what they like for whatever reason. Now I used to find it quite offensive and nauseating that defecation and filth on bathroom walls that had never been cleaned was freely discussed here. Not in a medical sense, or an admission of a looney bin, mind you, but as something normal that anyone dropping in to chat might find very interesting to discuss. Only a Victorian such as myself would have been offended and appalled. Ditto for the blatant sexism that has since been capped.
               See, the fact is that the world contains all kinds, and each is almost absolutely certain that his or her views are the correct ones. However, it is almost a certainty that free speech, which was championed and applauded for a brief time among some priveleged few, no longer exists. Especially in public spaces controlled by those in power.
                 
                 The more important question as I see it is; what will be the possibilities of thought control?  Aside from the threat of A1 taking over, at what point will the more powerful force the implantation of thought control devices by law? At this time the far left, spewing its constant invectives and spittle flecked directives would seem in the future to be the most enthusiastic supporters of such chaining up of the imagination and thought processes. In other words, will one even be free to "like" or "dislike" even if not spoken about?  At what point do we all become mindless automatons unable not only to speak but to even discern characteristics that may be desirable or undesirable to us as the case may be.
     
                This is what I for one find most frightening and deplorable, that is if any survive "The Fire Next Time".

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Okay, Let's Connect Some Dots
« on: August 05, 2018, 04:56:48 PM »
   Sorry. I cannot edit. Please make that ridiculous. The heat is really getting to me.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Okay, Let's Connect Some Dots
« on: August 05, 2018, 03:05:01 PM »
One would think that being in prison would dampen marriage but what about legalized abortion which changed cultural perceptions about marriage?

Actually I think the number of white women who dropped out of the self-esteem game who hungrily lap up the attention of incarcerated black men and who then marry them in prison is not insignificant.  Prison might actually lead to more matrimony.

Marriage was not a big part of black culture in the Antebellum south and attempts to turn black people into white people since have not been too successful.  The question has thus far been answered by speculation and really this question needs science to answer.  The social reasons may be complicated and subtle and without science it is too easy to bark up the wrong tree.

Addendum:  Reading Surly1's links I see the historical knowledge I had came originally from the Moynihan report.  I learned it elsewhere.
                Marriage was not a big part of African culture prior to slavery first introduced by the Arabs in Africa. Certainly marriage was not de riguer in matriarchal societies in Africa prior to slavery and such as are on going today in which all family responsibility for bearing children, raising children, growing food for the family depends on the women. The men in African society, like male animals everywhere with the exception perhaps of birds, were and are pretty much free to roam wherever. Wasn't it really European Christian missionaries who introduced "marriage" along with modesty in clothing, the world over to indigenous people? Such imbedded cultural practices do not subside because people are captured and sold and transported somewhere else probably even after a thousand years. It is ridiculous to think in terms of homogenizing cultures in some kind of socialized blender like a melting pot when they come from opposite ends of the earth.

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You can go too far with your chagrin.  Fingers get pointed here also because being willing to fold a finger back into a fist as appropriate is a skill some of us have.  More here than elsewhere I'd like to think.  I'll point out that the inability to point any fingers at all is as grievous a sin as raw hate.  That is accepting the world with all its flaws and pain as being just dandy and peachy keen.  It is also denying the reality of doom.  It is fucked up but seems nice.

True, ignorance and bliss is not the answer. Constant on-demand happiness should not be a goal in life, not lease because it will never happen. Any happiness that comes our way should be met only with gratefulness and not expectation.

But life with pain, suffering and tragedy is nothing new. And it is patently false that people in the developed world are experiencing more of those things than people of previous generations. Perhaps more emotional angst and cognitive dissonance in our postmodern cultures, but not the REALLY fucked up parts of life.

We need to confront life's tragedies with more dignity and courage and less blame, hate, resentment.

             "True, ignorance and bliss is not the answer. Any happiness that comes our way should be met only with gratefulness and not expectation."
            "We need to confront life's tragedies with more dignity and courage and less blame, hate, resentment."
                  In my humble opinion both quotes are extremely true. But this would entail a complete change of attitude from that of victomology and entitlement and envious resentment to that of extreme gratitude for and reverence for life to begin with. And those attitudes would in turn entail great reverence for a higher power and its gift of free will to robe ones self in personal responsibility and an attempt at good will towards all. I personally believe this and hope to grow in an attempt at its practice in so far as I am able will human failings. But in light of how the world, and in particular American society seems to be proceeding, it doesn't seem to be much of a possibility going forward. This is sad, and I wish it were otherwise. However, Thy will be done. I try to remember, it is His plan. However that may be unfolding.
           

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Golden Oxen Newz / Re: Gold & Silver News
« on: August 01, 2018, 11:50:16 AM »
Well, I posted something last week....it seems like there is a whole lot of fudging on the invoicing for mining exports.

Gold, diamonds, and other precious commodities are apparently being sold under the table by corrupt officials, which shows up as a discrepancy between what they SAY they're selling, and what the buyers in Europe and elsewhere are reporting that they're buying.

Corruption is pretty rampant in the new SA, and it appears to go to the highest levels.

I jokingly said South Africa is trying to become the new Haiti, but there is more than a passing resemblance, from what I see.
             Here is what I have often read in the MSM. That yes great corruption in the highest part of the government, Zuma just stepped down, now it's Rhamphosa, same old, same old. And white farmers fleeing to Russia to avoid being murdered as well as other remaining whites.
             So I was really concerned about the well to do white family that I know. Not well. Why were they not scrambling to sell all their property, take what they could and get out?
             So I began googling for articles about the real state of affairs in SA. And low and behold I found several declaring that since the end of Apartheid nothing, virtualy nothing has changed. The white capitalists that have all the money and means are still in absolute control. The Blacks, with the exception of the few in government and government jobs, are still very impoverished, spat upon in some places, living still in bush like conditions with bad schooling etc.
            That certainly explains well to do white South Africans not being in a hurry to leave. As the person I know said, " We are really living very well and could not replicate it somewhere else." This means that the whites are controlling the Black front only government. It means that all the hoopla about Nelson Mandela and reconciliation was just a sham. Well what else is new? And who are those white capitalists in bed with? Eh?

Have given up completely trying to understand South Africa and it's current status and where it is headed. Have enough trouble finding out accurate info about my own country.

What I can tell you are some facts which may be of help in your understanding. I have had investments there going back 40 to 50 years. They have become next to worthless under what or who is the current regime. Major blue chip companies have spun off their operations there into different units since investments there are now generally shunned by the world's investment community.

There are nothing but strikes and threats of nationalization, big time corruption and crime, lack of cohesive policy for long range planning.

There is a closed end fund on the NYSE known as ASA. They specialize in gold and mining securities.

Their initials stood for American South African investment trust specialists in the country. They changed their name  ASA Gold and Silver and reincorporated in Bermuda. Last year they sold all of their platinum investments in South Africa saying that they could no longer be run profitably in their view.

South African securities now equal only 7% of the funds assets and Canada is the largest area with 58%. Of course this is only one way to look at a country but is an important way for me.  Another consideration is that it is factual data real and not propaganda.

Without being dogmatic and merely from my experience your view that nothing has changed in South Africa is incorrect and my bet would be it's going to keep changing in a negative way for investors, people of property in the country, and for the economic and social well being of the citizenry both white and black.

             Hi Go. When I said nothing had changed, I meant the essential condition of the black people and who was calling the shots. The propaganda was that apartheid was over and it was a "new day". I'm saying it's not a new day. I wouldn't give a rats ass for owning anything there period. Ever. I don't believe anything in the MSM anymore and I am highly skeptical of what anyone says personally. I am trying to hold on to the belief that there are any people of high ethics anywhere. Especially any with any power. And the world seems to turn on envy and lust for conflict and violent conflict at that. It all spells evil to me. And I am not allowed to discuss people and philosophies that I think are truly evil, just like Chomsky says. I certainly agree that it looks like things will keep changing for the worse there and actually everywhere. FWITW I found what the man said to still be highly dubious, not positive. For me it was just more evidence of corruption on both sides.

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Golden Oxen Newz / Re: Gold & Silver News
« on: August 01, 2018, 10:20:43 AM »
There's a big land grab currently in progress, which means the government is going to steal land from people who happen to own it currently.

They're going full Zimbabwe, looks like.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-45026931
Yes, same old scare. But I no longer fully believe it. This individual with whom I spoke just last night fully believes he will inherit. It won't be Zimbabwe because these very rich white capitalists have better connections.

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Golden Oxen Newz / Re: Gold & Silver News
« on: August 01, 2018, 10:14:15 AM »
Well, I posted something last week....it seems like there is a whole lot of fudging on the invoicing for mining exports.

Gold, diamonds, and other precious commodities are apparently being sold under the table by corrupt officials, which shows up as a discrepancy between what they SAY they're selling, and what the buyers in Europe and elsewhere are reporting that they're buying.

Corruption is pretty rampant in the new SA, and it appears to go to the highest levels.

I jokingly said South Africa is trying to become the new Haiti, but there is more than a passing resemblance, from what I see.
             Here is what I have often read in the MSM. That yes great corruption in the highest part of the government, Zuma just stepped down, now it's Rhamphosa, same old, same old. And white farmers fleeing to Russia to avoid being murdered as well as other remaining whites.
             So I was really concerned about the well to do white family that I know. Not well. Why were they not scrambling to sell all their property, take what they could and get out?
             So I began googling for articles about the real state of affairs in SA. And low and behold I found several declaring that since the end of Apartheid nothing, virtualy nothing has changed. The white capitalists that have all the money and means are still in absolute control. The Blacks, with the exception of the few in government and government jobs, are still very impoverished, spat upon in some places, living still in bush like conditions with bad schooling etc.
            That certainly explains well to do white South Africans not being in a hurry to leave. As the person I know said, " We are really living very well and could not replicate it somewhere else." This means that the whites are controlling the Black front only government. It means that all the hoopla about Nelson Mandela and reconciliation was just a sham. Well what else is new? And who are those white capitalists in bed with? Eh?

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