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I'm not really very interested in stoking the flames of JP here.  I'm just not that interested in the man.  I had never heard of him before he came up on the Diner.

You're not the only one.  I never heard of him before the Diner either.

Basically he gets attention from the two opposite poles, those who like what he says because it gives them confirmation of a bias they already have and those who hate him because the implications of what he says are so abhorrent, yet couched in pseudo-intellectual Jungian mythology, which itself is total bullshit.

If I wanna listen to somebody with JPs spin who is erudite and had an even more extensive vocabulary, I'll go back and watch old episodes of William F. Buckley Jr. on Firing Line.

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Ad hom and full of self-aggrandizing bullshit. Hitting the sauce early?

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I'm becoming more and more interested in evolutionary psychology and anthropology in general.  It seems to me that the topics holds a lot of truth. 


Bret Weinstein might be on your radar. Although the video does mention the campus political situation that ended up with him having to  (successfully) sue Evergreeen......the more interesting part is his brother telling the story of how someone he considered a mentor in science stole one of his original ideas and then took the Nobel..and never credited his work.

Bret is incredibly humble and down-to-earth....but he is a genius in evolutionary biology..Eric is an academic mathematician who somehow ended up working for Peter Thiele's venture capital group. 


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Less is more.

But go for it, and I'll be there to disagree, with a cogent argument......but frankly, I'm as tired of this subject as Surly is, and if JRM hadn't gotten his panties so twisted arnd decided to come after me, I'd have never mentioned JP at all. He is a celebrity, and you can read his books, or not....You can believe the giant manure piles of  criticism by the people who want to make him out to be things he isn't...and believe whatever you want.

I notice he has gone walkabout. Easier than actually gardening and feeding himself.......still waiting for HIS garden pics...and his water catchment pics. I'm sure they'll be forthcoming......yeah. Soon.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Why Biden Won't Choose Susan Rice
« on: Today at 11:50:14 AM »

Susan Rice, however,, of all the shortl-isted female black VP candidates that have been mentioned.....is the only one who would be a decent POTUS. Maybe better than decent. Maybe great.

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A couple of days ago, I had a similar conversation with my wife about Susan Rice. For my money she would be an inspired choice, and his best.
She says it's not gonna happen.

Obviously I agree with her. And it is a shame.

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No doubt we will see a post-Memorial Day spike, since there are lots of idiots with very short attention spans hitting the beaches..but I find myself calling bullshit on this article..I follow Texas COVID stats closely....and I don't see what this author sees.....which relies on yet another study  out of the UK.... my caveat.....Don't believe every scare story you read about Coronavirus.

Study: Texas leads the country at coronavirus spread

Joel Achenbach, Rachel Weiner and Isaac Stanley-Becker, The Washington Post Published 7:46 pm EDT, Friday, May 22, 2020
 

 
 The coronavirus may still be spreading at epidemic rates in 24 states, particularly in the South and Midwest, according to new research that highlights the risk of a second wave of infections in places that reopen too quickly or without sufficient precautions.
Researchers at Imperial College London created a model that incorporates cellphone data showing that people sharply reduced their movements after stay-at-home orders were broadly imposed in March. With restrictions now easing and mobility increasing with the approach of Memorial Day and the unofficial start of summer, the researchers developed an estimate of viral spread as of May 17.

It is a snapshot of a transitional moment in the pandemic and captures the patchwork nature across the country of covid-19, the disease caused by the virus. Some states have had little viral spread or "crushed the curve" to a great degree and have some wiggle room to reopen their economies without generating a new epidemic-level surge in cases. Others are nowhere near containing the virus.

The model, which has not been peer reviewed, shows that in the majority of states, a second wave looms if people abandon efforts to mitigate the viral spread.
"There's evidence that the U.S. is not under control, as an entire country," said Samir Bhatt, a senior lecturer in geostatistics at Imperial College.

Other models released in recent days captured a similarly mixed picture. The PolicyLab at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia used county-level forecasts that found much of the country was in decent shape for reopening, but worrisome areas remain, including Houston, Dallas, South Florida and Alabama.
On this Memorial Day weekend, some people will visit areas that may not have had much exposure to the virus, said David Rubin, director of PolicyLab.
"This is the first test of the system," Rubin said. "Those areas that succeed this weekend are going to succeed because they've developed strong regulations on how they're going to do this."

The Imperial College researchers estimated the virus's reproduction number, known as R0, or R naught. This is the average number of infections generated by each infected person in a vulnerable population. The researchers found the reproduction number has dropped below 1 in 26 states and the District. In those places, as of May 17, the epidemic was waning.

In 24 states, however, the model shows a reproduction number over 1. Texas tops the list, followed by Arizona, Illinois, Colorado, Ohio, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, Alabama and Wisconsin.

When the R naught is below 1, it means the virus is hitting a lot of dead ends as it infects people. Someone who is infected but who follows social distancing rules or stays quarantined until recovering has a good chance of not infecting anyone else. The challenge is finding a way to reopen the economy with sufficient care to prevent the reproduction number from going over 1.

This has become a geographically complex pandemic, one that will evolve, especially as people increase their movements in coming weeks. Laws and health regulations vary from state to state, county to county and city to city. There are communities where wearing facial coverings is culturally the norm, while in other places it is rejected on grounds of personal liberty or as refutation of the consensus view of the hazards posed by the virus.

Political leaders have traded executive orders for appeals to individual responsibility and judgment. Even as they touted reopening water parks and beaches, some governors told their citizens not to enjoy their new freedoms too much.

In a hotspot in western Iowa, "families need to make their own decisions," said Matthew Ung, chair of Woodbury County's board of supervisors. "You don't have to act one way or another because of what the government says," he said. "Look out for you and your family."

About 250 miles away in Minneapolis, municipal leaders are not counting on individual responsibility alone. The mayor, Jacob Frey, this week signed an emergency regulation requiring people older than 2 to cover their faces while at "indoor spaces of public accommodation," including schools and government buildings.

"We are not criminalizing forgetfulness, but we will be cracking down on extreme selfishness and disregard for the health and safety of fellow Minneapolis residents," Frey said in an interview.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a Democrat, this week said he would allow only alfresco dining when restaurants and bars resume in-person service June 1. That led to an outcry from owners who said they had been preparing for weeks to seat people inside, setting up plexiglass partitions and purchasing special filters to arrest tiny particles.
"None of us believed it was going to be patio only, especially in Minnesota when it rains all summer long," said Brian Ingram, the owner of Hope Breakfast Bar in St. Paul, Minnesota, a popular joint known for its mantra, "Believe in Breakfast."

In Mississippi, where the Imperial College model predicts infections are on the rise, Gov. Tate Reeves, a Republican, said he was ready to reopen the last few businesses that remain closed in the state - including racetracks and water parks.

"We will be out of the business of closing down anybody, I hope," Reeves said. But he said that in consultation with public health officials, he is keeping restrictions on seven counties with higher case loads.

In a news conference Thursday, Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey, a Republican, defended her decision to reopen concert venues, movie theaters and other businesses despite rising case numbers.

"We cannot sustain a delayed way of life as we search for a vaccine," she said. "Having a life means having a livelihood, too."

That said, she promised that "if we start going in the wrong direction, we reserve the right to come back in and reverse."

The Tennessee Emergency Management Agency said the state is preparing for a potential surge by increasing testing and constructing a 401-bed covid-19 care site in Memphis that was finished this week. David Aronoff, director of the Vanderbilt University infectious disease division, said the medical school is working with the state to track hospitalizations and deaths and is monitoring for a second surge.

"We're watching for that really closely, but we haven't seen that just yet, which is reassuring," he said.

Experts in Tennessee are also concerned about people from other states beginning to flock to Nashville and Memphis on summer vacations. If a surge happens, Aronoff said, "the tricky part will be putting the toothpaste back in the tube" by shutting down again.

In Texas, Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said he consults with doctors and experts from area hospitals, "and what they tell us is that we're reopening too fast, and we're reopening in the wrong order."

Local jurisdictions in Texas do not have the authority to issue more stringent restrictions than the state, which began aggressively reopening this month. So Dallas has focused on messaging. The county has a daily "covid-19 risk level" that is currently red, for "stay home, stay safe." Officials are working on seals that businesses can display to indicate they are meeting local public health guidelines, not just state mandates.

The Imperial College estimates for Texas are in line with internal modeling conducted by university experts advising state leaders.

Rebecca Fischer, an epidemiologist at Texas A&M University and part of a team partnering with the governor's office, said the daily caseload was fluctuating, but "it looks like we're not cresting a peak and coming down the other side."

A week ago, Texas reported a single-day high in new cases as well as deaths - about 14 days after the beginning of the state's phased reopening. The state has now reported more than 52,000 cases and nearly 1,500 deaths.

We had that one peak day last week...and we had a higher one.....This week we hit 1801 cases on one day....but I don't think the "re-opening' has been anything like a disaster so far....Maybe it will take back off.......but so far what we have is the slightest of upticks....and given the lockdown had to end sometime.....I'd say we're doing pretty well. The clusters are being identified and dealt with....the hospitals have plenty of beds and ventilators. We're creeping up on a having administered a million tests.....not quite there, but closing in on it.


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Reality Check.

Texas is the size of France. We have 15 HUNDRED deaths to France's 28 THOUSAND deaths. Even adjusted for Frances greater population, we have a tenth of the mortality.




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Knarfs Knewz / Re: Trump is WEAK!
« on: Today at 10:36:01 AM »


Great quotation.       :emthup: :emthup:

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I really still don't...but I liked his tweet a lot. Once Trump makes an enemy, they are enemies for life....and Republicans with nothing to gain from Trump's support have a whole different attitude about him. I see that.

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Marathon Man Newz / Why Biden Won't Choose Susan Rice
« on: Today at 09:51:30 AM »
In the black community in America, there are some very exceptionally bright, qualified individuals who would no doubt provide exceptional leadership.....I thought that perhaps Obama would be such an individual. When he ran the first time, I was impressed by his statesman-like demeanor and his obvious intelligence.

But it never really panned out. Maybe there are good reasons for that.......good reasons he never attacked the status quo in any meaningful way.....(I do give him a few points on healthcare).....but it was almost as if getting elected was the pinnacle of his career. The Nobel committee thought so....I was expecting more.....like maybe an end to the West Bank crisis.....I always thought Obama was a decent man....still do, but his administration disappointed me mightily.

But he did bring some highly qualified persons of color into his Whitehouse...and the most highly qualified of all of them was Susan Rice.

Washington DC is a city with a long history......of homegrowing some really impressive black people from all walks of life.....doctors, lawyers, scholars....you name it. Maybe part of that has to do with geography and the proximity of DC to Virginia.....I believe that, and the reasons I believe that are complicated and many...something for another thread....but it also has to do with DC attracting exceptional black people from all over the country...to attend the best black colleges, to practice civil rights law in front of the Supreme Court.....lots of reasons bright black people have come there, since before the Civil War.

I would say that DC now has the strongest black middle class and even upper class...of any city in America.....and Susan Rice is a product of that.....she has the kind of accomplishments that can't be given to someone or faked. Only earned.


Rice was born in Washington, D.C.,[4] to Emmett J. Rice (1919–2011), a Cornell University economics professor and the second black governor of the Federal Reserve System,[4] and education policy scholar Lois Rice (née Dickson), who helped design the federal Pell Grant subsidy system and who joined the Brookings Institution in 1992.[5] Her maternal grandparents were Jamaican.[6] Her parents divorced when Rice was ten years of age.[7]

Rice was a three-letter varsity athlete,[8] student government president, and valedictorian at National Cathedral School in Washington, D.C., a private girls' day school.[9] She attended Stanford University, where she received a Truman Scholarship and graduated with a BA with honors in history in 1986. She was elected Phi Beta Kappa her junior year.[10][11][12]

Awarded a Rhodes Scholarship, Rice attended New College, Oxford, where she earned a Master of Philosophy in 1988 and a Doctorate of Philosophy in 1990, both in International Relations.[12] Her doctoral dissertation was entitled Commonwealth Initiative in Zimbabwe, 1979–1980: Implications for International Peacekeeping. Chatham House, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, honored her dissertation as the UK's most distinguished in international relations.[4][13]

Rice was a foreign policy aide to Michael Dukakis during the 1988 presidential election. She was a management consultant at McKinsey & Company, a global management consulting firm, from 1990 to early 1992. Rice worked in McKinsey's Toronto office.[14]

Rice said that her parents taught her to "never use race as an excuse or advantage", and as a young girl she "dreamed of becoming the first U.S. senator from the District of Columbia".[4]

Biden knows Rice very well, since she was national security advisor to Obama. She understands foreign policy better than anyone now living, probably.....better than he does...and she doesn't have one iota of the kind of problems he has.......with his son profiting from policy decisions he participated in in the last Dem administration. She even sacrificed her own ambitions and took one for the team when she withdrew her nomination for Secretary of State.

In the State Department she was a protege of Madeleine Albright......interestingly, she didn't get along with Richard Holbrooke, who was the mentor of the young Ronan Farrow, who once appeared to be headed for a diplomatic career.

The main thing that characterizes Rice, other than her obvious scholarship and brains, is her honesty.....she is straight-up, The Republicans have made many attempts to smear her, starting with the debacle in Benghazi...but nothing has stuck. They are trying to smear her now, ginning up this nothingburger Trump wants to call Obamagate.....but it won't stick either.

But Biden won't choose her.....he no doubt fears her, is intimidated by her intellect, and is confused by her dedication to the truth. Like most politicians, he has one truth for himself and another version for public consumption.

Susan Rice, however,, of all the shortl-isted female black VP candidates that have been mentioned.....is the only one who would be a decent POTUS. Maybe better than decent. Maybe great.






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Nearly Half Of The Twitter Accounts Discussing ‘Reopening America’ May Be Bots
CMU Researchers Say Sophisticated, Orchestrated Bot Campaigns Aim To Sow Divide


They are not Russian Bots or foreign bots of any kind.  The only place bots that promote the re-opening of America come from is America itself.

No one said they are Russian bots. Although the aims of Russian money and big American money are pretty congruent these days.

If you do a search for Russian you will find it on the page.  You are right 'No one said they are Russian bots.' That is the art of it.

"Russian and Chinese playbooks"

So? Are you saying their assertion is wrong?

Force me to take a stand why don't you.  Yes, I will say their assertion is wrong.  I will also say that is the only way they could get their article published.

It isn't the Russians and Chinese who are so hot to reopen......that's what Occam's razor tells me.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Klobuchar? Really?
« on: May 23, 2020, 01:09:10 PM »
I knew the response would be fast and furious....it hasn't even been 24 hours.....look for a lot more blowback...more every day until Biden walks it back.....which he should if he wants to have a chance to beat Trump.

Black activists warn Biden: Don't pick Klobuchar as VP

The Minnesota senator and former prosecutor has problems with communities of colors that another top white contender, Elizabeth Warren, does not.

 Joe Biden and Amy Klobuchar
Sen. Amy Klobuchar has regularly appeared as a surrogate and a fundraiser for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden. | Eric Gay/AP Photo

By ELENA SCHNEIDER
05/23/2020 02:56 PM EDT

Amy Klobuchar performed abysmally among black voters in the Democratic primary. It’s haunting her now as Joe Biden decides on a running mate.

The Minnesota Democrat has the governing experience and ideological profile to mesh well with Biden, and she’s regularly appeared as a surrogate and a fundraiser for him, raking in more than $1.5 million for a single event she headlined. The pair have a warm relationship, trading phone calls when her husband was hospitalized with Covid-19 and they didn’t tangle publicly during primary.



But more than a dozen black and Latino strategists and activists warned in interviews that selecting Klobuchar would not help Biden excite black voters — and might have the opposite effect. Klobuchar would “risk losing the very base the Democrats need to win,” said Aimee Allison, founder of She the People, which promotes women of color in politics. They pointed to her poor performance among non-white voters during the presidential primary, as well as her record as a prosecutor in Minnesota.

It’s not yet clear how much the opposition of activists matters to Biden. He's made clear that the electoral politics of his pick matter less than choosing someone who can be a governing partner and step into the top job without worry.

But the vocal contingent of African American and Latino detractors — many of whom said they would prefer Biden to select a black woman as a running mate — is unique to Klobuchar; Elizabeth Warren, another top contender for VP, doesn’t elicit similar antagonism from communities of color.

"It comes from her performance in the primary — her weakness in being able to motivate them," said Adrianne Shropshire, executive director of BlackPAC, who supports several potential vice presidential selections. “The engagement and the enthusiasm of black voters is going to be a difference-maker in this election, and the concerns about her in this role stem from the degree to which she resonated or not with those core constituencies.”

Earlier this week, Biden confirmed that "multiple black women [are] being considered" for vice president. Those often named include Sen. Kamala Harris, former Georgia gubernatorial nominee Stacey Abrams and Florida Rep. Val Demings. Other Midwestern options, like Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, have also been mentioned.


But for many of these operatives, Klobuchar symbolizes a strategic division within the Democratic Party: Whether to focus on winning back white, Midwestern voters who flipped to Donald Trump in 2016, or on activating voters of color who were not excited to vote. She “represents that tension,” said Rev. Al Sharpton, who said he’s told Biden that he would prefer a black woman on the ticket but noted he’s “not anti-Amy.”



“It is not her fault, but she is in the middle of an ongoing battle from the last few presidential races,” Sharpton continued, adding he would be “concerned” that selecting Klobuchar would not help energize black and brown voters.

In a Washington Post op-ed this month urging Biden to select a woman of color as VP, seven black strategists and activists called out Klobuchar, warning she would “only alienate black voters.”

"Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee, does not need help winning white, working-class voters — he serves that function himself," they wrote. Referring to her record as a chief prosecutor in Minneapolis, they added, "A choice such as Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.), who failed to prosecute controversial police killings and is responsible for the imprisonment of Myon Burrell, will only alienate black voters."

“If it was important enough to raise in an op-ed, it speaks to how serious we are,” LaTosha Brown, a co-founder of Black Voters Matter and the lead op-ed author, said in an interview. “Her campaign appeal was about bringing in working class, white people from the Midwest, and perhaps that’s true, but that’s a particular strategy that doesn’t align with what it’s going to take to win. You need to excite the base.”

Angela Rye, a Democratic strategist and the former executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus, who also signed the op-ed, called Klobuchar a “non-starter.”

Klobuchar's boosters counter that Donald Trump will drive out the Democratic base no matter what, and that the key Rust Belt states that Democrats have to win play to Klobuchar's strengths.

"I think she could help put the upper Midwest in play, and that's an invaluable asset," said Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, who backed Bernie Sanders during the presidential primary. He also noted that "there are a lot of black people" in the Midwest, in cities like Detroit and Milwaukee, who will also be key for Democrats in winning back those states.

"I think the base is going to be excited enough because, before, Trump was an idea, now Trump is the reality," Ellison continued.


Klobuchar has been working to improve her relationships with minority activists and politicians since she dropped out of the presidential race. She endorsed a slate of racially and regionally diverse candidates in down-ballot races. She’s worked with Stacey Abrams, another VP contender, to promote a vote-by-mail bill, which was endorsed by Voto Latino and Rev. Jesse Jackson earlier this month. She also wrote a bill to expand broadband access to studddents at historically-black colleges and Hispanic-serving institutions. And she participating in a virtual town hall hosted by the NAACP on how the coronavirus is disproportionately hurting black and brown people.


During the presidential primary, Leah Daughtry, CEO of the DNC’s conventions in 2008 and 2016, hosted Klobuchar with a group of influential black women leaders, “half she knew, half she didn’t,” and “people walked away with a favorable impression.”

But, Daughtry noted, “building relationships in every area of our lives takes time, including in politics,” and “it isn’t something you can do in a matter of weeks.”

The primary results illustrate the Klobuchar's failure among voters of color.

In South Carolina, she won 1 percent of black voters, even though they make up a majority of Democratic primary voters in the state. It was the lowest total for any of the presidential candidates on the ballot.

In Nevada, Klobuchar received 4 percent support of the Latino vote, the lowest share of any presidential candidate other than Rep. Tulsi Gabbard. Nationally, Klobuchar regularly polled in the low single digits among voters of color.

“Could she have done more? Absolutely,” said Antjuan Seawright, a South Carolina-based Democratic consultant. “But she knew where her bread was buttered, and that started in Iowa. She was taking the race as it comes.”

Seawright noted that Biden’s own strength in the black community — as evidenced by his resounding victory in South Carolina, which revived his flailing campaign — “gives room for the potential for Amy Klobuchar” as vice president.


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But Biden, too, was recently warned about not taking African American voters for granted. On Friday, he apologized on a conference call with black leaders for comments he made to "The Breakfast Club" radio host: "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."


Klobuchar’s prosecutorial record as Hennepin County attorney is another sore spot, particularly her handling of a case involving Burrell, a black teenager. An investigation by the Associated Press found numerous flaws in the case, and civil rights leaders in Minnesota called for her to suspend her presidential campaign.

Klobuchar called for an independent investigation after her campaign ended, a move applauded by the Minnesota NAACP.

If Biden picked Klobuchar as his vice president, “it would add to [his] workload” for the general election, said Daughtry, who signed on to another letter sent to Biden, urging the selection of a black woman.

“There are enough people who either A, don’t know her, or B, have a negative view of her that it becomes another thing the campaign has to do — introduce her and convince communities of color that she’s ok,” Daughtry said. “That’s not impossible, but there’s already a lot of work to do in a presidential race.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/23/black-activists-joe-biden-amy-klobuchar-vice-president-275326


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It is too easy for ballots not to make it in 'on time'.  This has happened to me twice.  The last time I mailed in my ballot  I mailed it two days before it was due and a postcard back said that my ballot had not been received in time to be counted.  Now I don't trust the mail and drive to the drop box in front of the King County election building.  RE was with me last time I was there.  That is where we made the video of me voting for Bernie.

Ironic, Trump has to pretend to be concerned about fraud to get people out so they can participate in the economy and catch Covid.  That is what this is about.  To get people out and build up herd immunity because the Turd knows America was stupid enough to vote for him once and they will do it again. 

The irony is Republicans love mail in voting.  Mail in voting strongly favors the affluent.  The affluent have stable addresses to begin with, addresses that don't get 'lost' in the system.  What you moved two years ago and forgot to tell us?  But there is more to it than that.  If you don't consider issues and vote a strict party line you won't forget to mail your ballot in.  You open it up, fill it out and turn it around.  If you have to consider issues and check things out the chances of you forgetting to finish in time is significant enough to guarantee many a Republican victory.  Mail in voting favors the follower and the brain dead.  I am not a fan.

But considering the circumstances we should do mail in voting this year.  The up side knocks down the down side.

I always wondered why Republicans always vote more than others do but it is clear that their decisions are easy.  Voting for them is akin to taking a dump.  The Candidate Has a 'R' next to the name.  Check the box or fill in the circle.  You are done.

 I'm not a computer guy and you are.....but I would bet money  that blockchain tech COULD potentially  make it completely possible to have fraud-free voting with a point and click ballot that could be completed and tallied  instantly in real time...and double checked in seconds...the way you can with a good fast 3rd generation crypto like XRP .

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I must vote for Biden, of course....if he is the candidate.....but like the last election with Clinton, I will have to hold my nose to do it.....

We do need a mult-party system...but I don't see how we get there from here.

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Knarfs Knewz / Re: WHO: South America is new COVID-19 epicenter
« on: May 23, 2020, 12:36:41 PM »
Some people say that Sweden is the model to prove that staying open and letting herd immunity take care of the pandemic is the way to handle it.

I would posit that Brazil  is a better model, of you want to see how it will work out in most places...including a large part of the US.

Pop the popcorn....and  uh, maybe light some scented candles to cover up the stench of rotting corpses.

The level of herd immunity in Sweden does not actually seem particularly high considering that herd immunity was their stated goal:

Just 7.3% of Stockholm had Covid-19 antibodies by end of April, study shows

Remember that Stockholm is the capital of the Sweden and would be the region with the highest population density. 7% is going to do little in slowing the disease even if we assume that Covid-19 has a R0 of 2.5. If that is the case (and I feel R0 of 2.5 is a somewhat optimistic figure) then you need a herd immunity of 55% to stop outbreaks from happening.

To put that in persepective the UK which has generally opted for the lockdown strategy has found that around 5% of its population has Covid-19 antibodies and the most infected region London having an infection rate of 17% (Metro). Not high levels anywhere although 17% might start to effect the R0 value of the disease I do hear it is estimated New York has an infection rate of 25%.


On a per capita basis Sweden is closer to the likes of Italy and UK than its neighbours of Norway, Finland and Denmark when it comes to death rates. The reward? 7% immunity rate which is way below any meaningful herd immunity. To me the strategy seems to be a failure but if one is determined to pursue herd immunity as a national strategy as some people advocate then Brazil looks like it will provide a good case study on the ramifications of that plan.

I had read that about the lack pf herd immunity so far in Sweden.....I just think that there are many factors that are hard to parse. Like I expect most Swedes are social distancing anyway...and I wonder if they have done such a good job housing immigrants that they don't have the potential hotspots you have in the UK....not to mention Brazil, where people live cheek-to-jowl in the favelas.

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But that's how these white corporate-owned guys like Biden think.....they want to know what black people want so they can pretend to be for it. But they really just want to be in power so they can participate in the final strip-mining of the commons of the planet.

Maybe it will work.  It certainly worked for Dump with the Christians in the flyover states.  How anyone can believe that he's a Christian is beyond me.  It's like the chickens voting for the fox to protect them.

Trump just got a lot of religious people back on board by insisting on opening the churches......and it doesn't matter that it's dangerous....it's what they want,,, and he's standing up for that and giving it to them.....

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Biden is a weak candidate but Trump is worse. I am sure at this point, if given the choice, black people would pick Bush stupid over Trump. Not voting (and low voting counts is what Republicans want) increases the chances of Trump winning. If the Democrats were to take a more grounded approach and actually listen to their electorate rather than sing hollow platitudes I am sure they would be more appealing but at this point the Republicians have set a very low bar. When the standard of competition drops there is a tendency to put less effort on your persoanl endeavours. This is what is happening with the Democratic party. It would occur even if there was no money to muddy the waters.

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Not voting (and low voting counts is what Republicans want) increases the chances of Trump winning.

Biden is possibly about to make sure that happens too ....by picking the closet Republican Klobuchar as his running mate. I just can't believe this kind of thing keeps happening.

Do you remember Earl Butz?

No of course not, you're too young....but I bet Surly does....   :)

Anyway, Butz was a Secretary of Agriculture under...Nixon? think so....He repeated this crude racist joke that got him fired....the first line of which was "Do you know what the black people want?"

But that's how these white corporate-owned guys like Biden think.....they want to know what black people want so they can pretend to be for it. But they really just want to be in power so they can participate in the final strip-mining of the commons of the planet.

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