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Energy / Re: Machinery for a post collapse world
« on: March 22, 2018, 06:34:07 PM »
Sounds like a wonderful tradition. Maple syrup is the poster child for nature's bounty. So good.

In East Texas where I grew up syrup mills were once common. All cane...sugar cane and ribbon cane is what I remember. Molasses really. It  was a fall semi-outdoor process, under an open shed.

Doomsteading / Re: Meanwhile back at the 'stead
« on: March 22, 2018, 06:26:57 PM »
Thank you. Armchair experts are a dime a dozen. Your advice is duly noted.

I was just trying to show how good they are at getting out. I know it's possible to keep them penned, at least most of the time.

I like cows milk better anyway. I just don't like milking. How do I know this? Because, unlike you, I've actually had to get up on a cold winter morning and do it. Don't try to lecture a farm boy about how to farm.

What would be the point of keeping goats if you aren't going to milk them?  ???   :icon_scratch:



I am not looking at goats, although there are reasons they are the most common kind of livestock in these limestone counties. I'm not thinking cows either, as of now. I'm going to go back to plants out there. They mostly just need water and sun. And air conditioning most of the year. LOL.

Doomsteading / Re: Meanwhile back at the 'stead
« on: March 22, 2018, 04:48:33 PM »
Thank you. Armchair experts are a dime a dozen. Your advice is duly noted.

I was just trying to show how good they are at getting out. I know it's possible to keep them penned, at least most of the time.

I like cows milk better anyway. I just don't like milking. How do I know this? Because, unlike you, I've actually had to get up on a cold winter morning and do it. Don't try to lecture a farm boy about how to farm.

To go from me being willing to use guns for protection in times of lawlessness, to shooting my neighbors rather than sharing food, is a big leap. It's utter crap, is what it is. I'm not some wild-eyed survivalist. How it would work out is subject to debate. I hope I never have to find out. Videos are entertaining. They are not reality.

But a man who won't at least try to defend his family is instant roadkill in a fast collapse. And I don't have or need a bunker. I've spent my life in the woods from childhood. I will be doing the surprising. I have all manner of lethal talents. I was not raised in a city.

But I retract the part about hundreds of thousands of hours though. I did the math. I'll settle for "many tens of thousands of hours".

I suppose when you had a job, you worked for free? No? Donated all your pay to charity, did you? Lived in a co-op and you all shared your incomes equally? Each contributing according to his ability, and each taking according to his needs?

I have a good job and I also deliberately try to amass money from various investments...because it's damned useful to have some as long as BAU persists. My preps are primarily aimed at food security of one form or another, and alternative energy. I must not be that rich, because I'd like to put a lot more money into both.

In order to be able to contribute to a gift economy, you have to be able to produce a surplus. I work at learning how to do this, and I'm spending money collecting tools to help me do it.

We will all be powering down at some point. I actually admire what you're doing. But I am doing what I can where I can. If it doesn't work out here, I will do my best to move on and adapt as well as I can elsewhere. Your way is not the only way. You're incredibly judgmental and dogmatic. Give it a rest.

Doomsteading / Re: Meanwhile back at the 'stead
« on: March 22, 2018, 04:15:12 PM »
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They can climb most fences, including barbed wire. It really takes high fence to keep deer and goats in.  I'll take my chances with pigs over goats.

Doomsteading / Re: Meanwhile back at the 'stead
« on: March 22, 2018, 03:55:19 PM »
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Doom Psychology & Philosophy / Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« on: March 22, 2018, 03:25:49 PM »
Some bits from the bomber's long rambling confession are leaking, although it has not been made public.

He realized he fucked up when he went into the Fedex store, and was angry with himself for doing something he figured was going to get him caught. He didn't want to get caught, and he wanted to blow up more people. He was disappointed to be stopped before he killed more people.

He said he wished he was sorry, but that he wasn't sorry. He said he thought he'd been a psychopath since he was a child.

The Fedex bomb that did not explode and was secured by police was addressed to some young woman at her work downtown in a day spa. She says she never knew him at all and has no idea why she might have been a target. He had a list of future targets (and a lot more bombs) Nothing has been said about how he chose the victims.

He was planning to blow himself up inside a crowded McDonalds if the cops closed in, but he didn't get the chance, as it turned out.

All this according to the local radio jocks.

They also said that the cops just now released one of his two roommates after grilling him since yesterday morning. The other roommate was questioned yesterday at the house they lived in, but was not detained.

I didn't figure the confession would be made public, but maybe it will be. I'd like to view it. It's in the form of a 28 minute cell phone video, and he made it only hours prior to his death.

Doomsteading / Re: Meanwhile back at the 'stead
« on: March 22, 2018, 03:07:34 PM »
There is just something about pigs that take one look at what you just built, and deciding it would be entertaining to break it. Im not sure there is any fence that they cant break. Its a nightmare. No more pigs for me. Im planning on goats next.

Yeah, me too.

If you can't keep pigs penned, then goats are gonna be a problem.

But I like the leash idea, with the tire attached, or whatever. That's 3rd world genius for sure.

I remember we had goats when I was a kid. They were ALWAYS out and they liked to stand on top of my Mom's car, which she objected to a great deal. And it took a lot to upset my Mom. She grew up in the Depression, and wringing a chickens neck and plucking it for dinner was no big deal at all to her. But those goats really got her goat, so to speak. We finally got rid of them because she'd had enough.

Surly Newz / Re: The Surlynewz Channel
« on: March 22, 2018, 03:00:17 PM »
Kinky Friedman used to use the term "taking a Nixon" as a euphemism for taking a shit. I always like that.

Agelbert Newz / Re: Agelbert's Newz Channel
« on: March 22, 2018, 01:40:43 PM »
My sentiment has changed. I think Trump's little trade war might be the droids you've been looking for....

Surly Newz / Re: The Surlynewz Channel
« on: March 22, 2018, 11:58:34 AM »
This is not gonna end well.

Doomsteading / Re: Meanwhile back at the 'stead
« on: March 22, 2018, 11:20:02 AM »

I hear your pain, dude. Pigs seamed like such a win, win. Real life experience kicked that right out of me. There is just something about pigs that take one look at what you just built, and deciding it would be entertaining to break it. Im not sure there is any fence that they cant break. Its a nightmare. No more pigs for me. Im planning on goats next.
You can read the full, embarrassing story here.  The dizzying highs, the devastating lows, the creamy middles.

So many good things in your article, which I heartily recommend.

A C5 Rule Of Survival is- “There is no such thing as a Survival Expert. Anyone claiming to be is just trying to sell you something”.

How true. The only thing we sell her is crackpot ideas and bad attitudes.

...a common practice is to trade pigs with another farmer. Killing and eating a pig is fine. Killing and eating the one you became emotionally involved with can be difficult.

C5 Rule of Survival- “30 million Deer in America. 350 million people. One deer per person per month strictly rationed. You do the unworkable math and Prep accordingly.”
I’m not trying to be an argumentative dick. Im trying to save peoples lives that are looking at …being a fake indian…as a survival fall back option. The First Nations have plenty to teach us. Philosophy. Community. Endurance. Unfortunately they can also teach us about starvation…and the near death of a culture because of it. The invaders destroyed the food source to destroy the culture.

So much really good stuff. And good to know that Mr. Wu was a babe magnet.

Just wondering... why not DOCTOR Wu instead of Mister?

Wow. 80s Flashbacks.

Doctor Who, Hey!

Well, MrsC5 has a Doctor at the front of her name.... and her nose  would be out of joint if I called the pig Dr. and not her. ;)

Yes. The #1 rule.  C5 Rule Of Survival - “There is no such thing as a Survival Expert. Anyone claiming to be is just trying to sell you something”.  I keep wanting to add, "Trust me on this. I wrote a book about it that you will want to buy..."

Then I tell #2 rule.  C5 Rule Of Survival - “Never trust anyone that says, 'Trust Me'"

Great article. Thanks for dropping by, and for the link.

 I will miss my pigs. If the Trump hits the fan here, I'm going back into pig raising immediately if I can. And Mangalitsas are very chill, for pigs. I recommend them. I can't think of any animal that you can raise on small acreage that you can go from start-up to massive amounts of food in such a short time.

I have used double e-fence, with white rope inside and tall poultry mesh as back-up, and this is the first time I've had adults break out. They were hungry. My fault, without a doubt.

Doom Psychology & Philosophy / Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« on: March 22, 2018, 09:42:34 AM »
I've tried to find out about him but nothing really weird is jumping out so far.  No weirdness that a lot of us have not experienced.  I have the religious family background myself but I never wanted to blow people up because of it.  His political ideas seemed within a normal range though the media is trying to spin them as extreme.  People say he must have snapped.  I'm finding it odd, though people usually do say the perpetrator was never that kind of guy.  It is said that he liked to debate but it must not have been of the healthy kind where you examine another's point of view.  It must have been the kind where debate means defeating another at all cost.  Debate where winnin not lernin matters.  I doubt he would have hung around here five minutes.

Same here.

As my wife says, home-schooled kids tend to be well educated but poorly socialized. I read that he lost his job a few months back. The employer's statement was that he was given chances to correct whatever the issues were, and he wasn't compliant. Who knows, on that. He was very young still, and probably took that firing hard. Maybe thought he was in the right (and maybe he was, dunno). For a conscientious person, getting terminated is a blow.

His belief system might have made him unpopular among the typical young crowd here. It's a party town.

I wish I understood better. Anyone who is okay with causing harm to total strangers as an act of self-expression has a big personality defect. No empathy. Maybe a type of sociopath.

I'd guess he was an Enneagram Type 1.

Type One in Brief

Ones are conscientious and ethical, with a strong sense of right and wrong. They are teachers, crusaders, and advocates for change: always striving to improve things, but afraid of making a mistake. Well-organized, orderly, and fastidious, they try to maintain high standards, but can slip into being critical and perfectionistic. They typically have problems with resentment and impatience. At their Best: wise, discerning, realistic, and noble. Can be morally heroic.

    Basic Fear: Of being corrupt/evil, defective
    Basic Desire: To be good, to have integrity, to be balanced
    Enneagram One with a Nine-Wing: "The Idealist"
    Enneagram One with a Two-Wing: "The Advocate"

Key Motivations: Want to be right, to strive higher and improve everything, to be consistent with their ideals, to justify themselves, to be beyond criticism so as not to be condemned by anyone.
The Meaning of the Arrows (in brief)

When moving in their Direction of Disintegration (stress), methodical Ones suddenly become moody and irrational at Four. However, when moving in their Direction of Integration (growth), angry, critical Ones become more spontaneous and joyful, like healthy Sevens. Learn more about the arrows.

Examples: Confucius, Plato, Salahuddin Ayyubi, Joan of Arc, Sir Thomas More, Mahatma Gandhi, Pope John Paul II, Nelson Mandela, Margaret Thatcher, Prince Charles, Kate Middleton, Duchess of Cambridge, Jimmy Carter, Michelle Obama, Al Gore, Hilary Clinton, Rudy Giuliani, Elliot Spitzer, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, Osama bin Laden, George Bernard Shaw, Thoreau, Dr. Jack Kevorkian, Anita Roddick (The Body Shop), Martha Stewart, Chef Thomas Keller, Michio Kushi (macrobiotics), George Harrison, Joan Baez, Celine Dion, Ralph Nader, Noam Chomsky, Bill Moyers, George F. Will, William F. Buckley, Keith Olbermann, Jerry Seinfeld, Bill Maher, Tina Fey, Katherine Hepburn, Maggie Smith, Emma Thompson, Julie Andrews, Vanessa Redgrave, Jane Fonda, Meryl Streep, Harrison Ford, Helen Hunt, Captain “Sully” Sullenberger, “Mary Poppins,” “Mr. Spock,” SNL’s “The Church Lady”
Type One Overview

We have named personality type One The Reformer because Ones have a “sense of mission” that leads them to want to improve the world in various ways, using whatever degree of influence they have. They strive to overcome adversity—particularly moral adversity—so that the human spirit can shine through and make a difference. They strive after “higher values,” even at the cost of great personal sacrifice.

History is full of Ones who have left comfortable lives to do something extraordinary because they felt that something higher was calling them. During the Second World War, Raoul Wallenburg left a comfortable middle-class life to work for the protection of thousands of European Jews from invading Nazis. In India, Gandhi left behind his wife and family and life as a successful lawyer to become an itinerant advocate of Indian independence and non-violent social changes. Joan of Arc left her village in France to restore the throne to the Dauphin and to expel the English from the country. The idealism of each of these Ones has inspired millions.

Ones are people of practical action—they wish to be useful in the best sense of the word. On some level of consciousness, they feel that they “have a mission” to fulfill in life, if only to try their best to reduce the disorder they see in their environment.

Although Ones have a strong sense of purpose, they also typically feel that they have to justify their actions to themselves, and often to others as well. This orientation causes Ones to spend a lot of time thinking about the consequences of their actions, as well as about how to keep from acting contrary to their convictions. Because of this, Ones often persuade themselves that they are “head” types, rationalists who proceed only on logic and objective truth. But, the real picture is somewhat different: Ones are actually activists who are searching for an acceptable rationale for what they feel they must do. They are people of instinct and passion who use convictions and judgments to control and direct themselves and their actions.

In the effort to stay true to their principles, Ones resist being affected by their instinctual drives, consciously not giving in to them or expressing them too freely. The result is a personality type that has problems with repression, resistance, and aggression. They are usually seen by others as highly self- controlled, even rigid, although this is not how Ones experience themselves. It seems to them that they are sitting on a cauldron of passions and desires, and they had better “keep the lid on” lest they and everyone else around them regret it.

Cassandra is a therapist in private practice who recalls the difficulty this caused her in her youth.

    “I remember in high school getting feedback that I had no feelings. Inside, I felt my feelings intensely and yet I just couldn’t let them out as intensely as I felt them. Even now, if I have a conflict with a friend and need to address an issue, I rehearse ahead of time how to express clearly what I want, need, and observe, and yet not be harsh or blaming in my anger which is often scathing.”

Ones believe that being strict with themselves (and eventually becoming “perfect”) will justify them in their own eyes and in the eyes of others. But by attempting to create their own brand of perfection, they often create their own personal hell. Instead of agreeing with the statement in Genesis that God saw what He had created, “and it was good,” Ones intensely feel that “It wasn’t—there obviously have been some mistakes here!” This orientation makes it difficult for them to trust their inner guidance—indeed, to trust life—so Ones come to rely heavily on their superego, a learned voice from their childhood, to guide them toward “the greater good” which they so passionately seek. When Ones have gotten completely entranced in their personality, there is little distinction between them and this severe, unforgiving voice. Separating from it and seeing its genuine strengths and limitations is what growth for Ones is about.

(from The Wisdom of the Enneagram, p. 99-100)
Listen: Don Riso Discusses Type One
Type One—Levels of Development

Healthy Levels

Level 1 (At Their Best): Become extraordinarily wise and discerning. By accepting what is, they become transcendentally realistic, knowing the best action to take in each moment. Humane, inspiring, and hopeful: the truth will be heard.

Level 2: Conscientious with strong personal convictions: they have an intense sense of right and wrong, personal religious and moral values. Wish to be rational, reasonable, self-disciplined, mature, moderate in all things.

Level 3: Extremely principled, always want to be fair, objective, and ethical: truth and justice primary values. Sense of responsibility, personal integrity, and of having a higher purpose often make them teachers and witnesses to the truth.

Average Levels

Level 4: Dissatisfied with reality, they become high-minded idealists, feeling that it is up to them to improve everything: crusaders, advocates, critics. Into "causes" and explaining to others how things "ought" to be.

Level 5: Afraid of making a mistake: everything must be consistent with their ideals. Become orderly and well-organized, but impersonal, puritanical, emotionally constricted, rigidly keeping their feelings and impulses in check. Often workaholics—"anal-compulsive," punctual, pedantic, and fastidious.

Level 6: Highly critical both of self and others: picky, judgmental, perfectionistic. Very opinionated about everything: correcting people and badgering them to "do the right thing"—as they see it. Impatient, never satisfied with anything unless it is done according to their prescriptions. Moralizing, scolding, abrasive, and indignantly angry.

Unhealthy Levels

Level 7: Can be highly dogmatic, self-righteous, intolerant, and inflexible. Begin dealing in absolutes: they alone know "The Truth." Everyone else is wrong: very severe in judgments, while rationalizing own actions.

Level 8: Become obsessive about imperfection and the wrongdoing of others, although they may fall into contradictory actions, hypocritically doing the opposite of what they preach.

Level 9: Become condemnatory toward others, punitive and cruel to rid themselves of wrongdoers. Severe depressions, nervous breakdowns, and suicide attempts are likely. Generally corresponds to the Obsessive-Compulsive and Depressive personality disorders.

Compatibility with Other Types
Type 1 in relationship with type:
1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9
Misidentification with Other Types
Type 1 compared with type:
2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9

Excessive use of diets, vitamins, and cleansing techniques (fasts, diet pills, enemas). Under-eating for self-control: in extreme cases anorexia and bulimia. Alcohol to relieve tension.
Personal Growth Recommendations
for Enneagram Type Ones

    Learn to relax. Take some time for yourself, without feeling that everything is up to you or that what you do not accomplish will result in chaos and disaster. Mercifully, the salvation of the world does not depend on you alone, even though you may sometimes feel it does.
    You have a lot to teach others and are probably a good teacher, but do not expect others to change immediately. What is obvious to you may not be as obvious to them, especially if they are not used to being as self-disciplined and objective about themselves as you are about yourself. Many people may also want to do what is right and may agree with you in principle but for various reasons simply cannot change right away. The fact that others do not change immediately according to your prescriptions does not mean that they will not change sometime in the future. Your words and above all, your example may do more good than you realize, although they may take longer than you expect. So have patience.
    It is easy for you to work yourself up into a lather about the wrongdoings of others. And it may sometimes be true that they are wrong. But what is it to you? Your irritation with them will do nothing to help them see another way of being. Similarly, beware of your constant irritation with your own "shortcomings." Does your own harsh self-criticism really help you to improve? Or does it simply make you tense, nervous, and self-doubting? Learn to recognize the attacks of your superego and how they undermine rather than help you.
    It is important for you to get in touch with your feelings, particularly your unconscious impulses. You may find that you are uneasy with your emotions and your sexual and aggressive impulses—in short, with the messy human things that make us human. It might be beneficial to keep a journal or to get into some kind of group therapy or other group work both to develop your emotions and to see that others will not condemn you for having human needs and limitations.
    Your Achilles' heel is your self-righteous anger. You get angry easily and are offended by what seems to you to be the perverse refusal of others to do the right thing—as you have defined it. Try to step back and see that your anger alienates people so that they cannot hear many of the good things you have to say. Further, your own repressed anger may well be giving you an ulcer or high blood pressure and is a harbinger of worse things to come.


Eddie: If I should ever have any grandchildren, which is uncertain, I'll tell them I bought some land so they might have a place to grow food. I'll tell them I built out solar PV so they could have lights to read by. I'll tell them I spent countless hours trying to figure out the best strategies to help their parents cope with what I viewed as certain hardship. I'll tell them I stockpiled hundreds of pounds of food in long term storage so that if JIT delivery seized up, that they could eat. I'll tell them I thought about what was coming and tried to prepare.

Easy to do if you have piles of money.  And if the grandkids ask you what you would do if the neighbours ask for some food, you will say "I'll shoot them."  And if they learn that as a way of life, we might as not bother surviving.

This is ad hom. Completely thoughtless and mean and off-base. I don't why people think they can talk shit on the internet. I don't expect if you really knew me, you'd even think that. I'm fairly sure you wouldn't have the balls to say it. 

 I wrote one reply and it seems to have not posted, and that's probably for the best. I have no desire to trade insults. We all deal with collapse as best we can with what we've got. My work is here, and I'll probably stay here, primarily for that reason. Whatever money I have, I will use.

I've spent my life in service to my patients. I don't rip them off, and I don't do work that they don't need. I've treated over 30 thousand people in my career. Hundreds of thousands of hours of difficult, specialized work that was mostly worth more than I got paid for it.

You might not think that's a big deal, but then I don't give  a rat's ass what you think.

Doomsteading / Re: Meanwhile back at the 'stead
« on: March 22, 2018, 07:44:12 AM »
Spoken like a wise man. Thanks. I will have to read about your pig adventures. Good luck with goats. I'm going chickens next, but probably not out at the stead. Too many predators and not enough of me there with the dogs to prevent chick-o-cide.

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