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There is more information on Facebook.  I was not aware of the nature of the problem until a week ago.  It first surfaced when Robin Westenra of Seemorerocks blog made comments that a woman had accused Guy of taking advantage of her.  Guy claims it was among consenting adults, but the problem is one of ethics, taking advantage of vulnerable people as a grief councilor.

Also, take a look at the people who added their names to the bottom of the statement, Mike Sliwa lived near Guy in New Mexico and co-hosted his radio show.  The two were friends!  I doubt very much that this is just a personal attack because Cory Morningstar and Derrick Jensen co-signed it as well as three other people.  I hardly think they would do that and risk their reputation and position in the collapse community without good reason.

Take a look at Guy's more recent posts on NBL.  He is taking a break from his public presence due to "professional trolls" and the "deep-state."

Something is clearly wrong here. 

Finally, Nicole and Guy had a falling out several years ago because Guy was rather rude to her, as well as others analysts in the collapse community because he didn't think they were taking a strong enough stand on the coming collapse.  He has been banned from The Automatic Earth for some time now, it is not even acceptable to speak his name on that web site.

If you want access to the Facebook feed, send Robin Westerna a friends request so you can read what people are saying.  Friend Nicole Foss as well as she posted it shortly after Wrong Kind of Green posted it.


Study suggests a sea level climate feedback loop in the mid-ocean ridge system regulates ice ages
Anthony Watts / 3 days ago January 29, 2016   

Icy ebb and flow influenced by hydrothermal activity
Release of magma from beneath earth’s crust plays significant role in earth’s climate


The last million years of Earth’s history was dominated by the cyclic advance and retreat of ice sheets over large swaths of North America. During cold glacial intervals, ice sheets reached as far south as Long Island and Indiana, while during warm interglacial periods the ice rapidly retreated to Greenland. It has long been known that ice ages occur every 40,000 years or so, but the cause of rapid transition between glacial and interglacial periods has remained a mystery.

While conventional wisdom says that this icy ebb and flow is an interaction between the world’s oceans, the ice itself, and the earth’s atmosphere, an article appearing in the Jan. 28, 2016 issue of the journal Science sheds new light on the role that the earth itself may play in this climatological ballet.

David Lund of the Department of Marine Sciences at the University of Connecticut and his colleagues have studied hydrothermal activity along the mid-ocean ridge system — the longest mountain range in the world which extends some 37,000 miles along the ocean floor. Their research suggests that the release of hot molten rock, or magma, from beneath the earth’s crust in response to changes in sea level plays a significant role in the earth’s climate. This change is attributed to the release of heat and carbon dioxide (CO2) into the deep ocean.

Lund says, “Mid-ocean range magmatism — the release of molten rock through volcanic vents or fissures — is driven by seafloor spreading and decompression melting of the upper mantle” — the partially molten layer just beneath the earth’s crust.

“This activity is controlled by the rate of pressure release at any given location. There’s clear evidence that when ice sheets grow, sea level lowers and significant pressure is taken off the ocean ridges. This causes melting in the mantle, which should in turn promote the release of heat and carbon into the oceans — and that’s when glacial termination begins — meaning the ice starts to melt. Then, sea levels begin to rise, pressure on the ridges increases, and magmatic activity decreases.”

Well-documented sedimentary records from the East Pacific Rise (EPR) — a mid-ocean ridge extending roughly from Antarctica to the Gulf of California — show evidence of enhanced hydrothermal activity during the last two glacial terminations, the last of which took place about 15,000 years ago.

According to Lund, the southern East Pacific rise (SEPR) has the fastest spreading rate and the highest magmatic budget of any ridge in the global mid-ocean ridge system. Due to its elevated magmatism, the SEPR has over 50 known active vent sites.

He says, “The coincidence in timing between hydrothermal maxima and glacial terminations implies that there may be a direct causal relationship between hydrothermal activity and deglaciation … Our results support the hypothesis that enhanced ridge magmatism, hydrothermal output, and perhaps mantle CO2 flux acts as a negative feedback on ice-sheet size … ”

In this study, core samples from both sides of the ridge axis were analyzed and included radiocarbon and oxygen isotopic analyses of microscopic shells to provide age control for each core. Major and trace element concentrations were determined using x-ray florescence and inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry.

The EPR results establish the timing of hydrothermal anomalies, an essential prerequisite for determining whether ridge magmatism can act as a negative feedback on ice-sheet size.


[Update by Willis] The underlying paper in Science magazine, “Enhanced East Pacific Rise hydrothermal activity during the last two glacial terminations”, is paywalled here. From the magazine:

    Searching sediment for climate signals

    Sediments on the ocean floor may provide clues about the interplay between ice ages and mid-ocean ridge magma production. Lund et al. present well-dated and detailed sediment records from hydrothermal activity along the East Pacific Rise. The sediments show changes in metal fluxes that are tied to the past two glaciations. Ice age changes in sea level alter magma production, which is manifested by changes in hydrothermal systems. The apparent increase in hydrothermal activity at the East Pacific Rise around the past two glacial terminations suggests some role in moderating the size of ice sheets.

    Science, this issue p. 478


    Mid-ocean ridge magmatism is driven by seafloor spreading and decompression melting of the upper mantle. Melt production is apparently modulated by glacial-interglacial changes in sea level, raising the possibility that magmatic flux acts as a negative feedback on ice-sheet size. The timing of melt variability is poorly constrained, however, precluding a clear link between ridge magmatism and Pleistocene climate transitions. Here we present well-dated sedimentary records from the East Pacific Rise that show evidence of enhanced hydrothermal activity during the last two glacial terminations. We suggest that glacial maxima and lowering of sea level caused anomalous melting in the upper mantle and that the subsequent magmatic anomalies promoted deglaciation through the release of mantle heat and carbon at mid-ocean ridges.

And here is one of their figures, with the original caption:

metal flux at spreading sites

Fig. 4
Normalized metal fluxes at 11°S compared with EPR bathymetry.
The hydrothermal time series are from the eastern (magenta) and western (black) flanks of the EPR and include (A) Fe flux, (B) Mn flux, and (C) As flux. We normalized each record by subtracting the mean and dividing by the standard deviation of each time series to facilitate comparison between cores with different mean metal concentrations. The results include both discrete samples (thin lines) and time series smoothed with a 20-ky-wide Gaussian window (thick lines) to approximate the resolution of the bathymetry compilation at 17°S (gray lines) (4). Fluxes from 0 to 40 ky are based on the results from Fig. 2; the interval from 40 to 200 ky B.P. is based on results shown in Fig. 3.


Waking the Giant: How a changing climate triggers earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanoes. By Bill McGuire

Amazon summary:

Twenty thousand years ago our planet was an icehouse. Temperatures were down six degrees; ice sheets kilometres thick buried much of Europe and North America and sea levels were 130m lower. The following 15 millennia saw an astonishing transformation as our planet metamorphosed into the temperate world upon which our civilisation has grown and thrived. One of the most dynamic periods in Earth history saw rocketing temperatures melt the great ice sheets like butter on a hot summer's day; feeding torrents of freshwater into ocean basins that rapidly filled to present levels. The removal of the enormous weight of ice at high latitudes caused the crust to bounce back triggering earthquakes in Europe and North America and provoking an unprecedented volcanic outburst in Iceland. A giant submarine landslide off the coast of Norway sent a tsunami crashing onto the Scottish coast while around the margins of the continents the massive load exerted on the crust by soaring sea levels encouraged a widespread seismic and volcanic rejoinder.

In many ways, this post-glacial world mirrors that projected to arise as a consequence of unmitigated climate change driven by human activities. Already there are signs that the effects of climbing global temperatures are causing the sleeping giant to stir once again. Could it be that we are on track to bequeath to our children and their children not only a far hotter world, but also a more geologically fractious one?

Found this today on Palmface, Guy McPherson posted it. 

This one is for you RE.

Tectonic activities effect on climate change.

The master of doooooom was right after all!!!!!


Doomsteading / Re: Seastead Porn of the Day
« on: January 17, 2016, 06:19:36 PM »
Let me know your travel plans, would love to meet up if you come through the Midwest.    :icon_sunny:

Doomsteading / Re: Seastead Porn of the Day
« on: January 17, 2016, 06:15:25 AM »
You clearly know some things about sailing!  This was a topic we really looked into over the past few years.  In fact, our son, Elliott, signed on to the Lady Maryland for a season, but after two weeks, he and another deck hand were let go.  Our hope was that he would learn enough about sailing that we could go that route.  The culture of tall ships is a different world as you might know and it was too much of a shock to his system.  During those two weeks they were getting the ship ready to sail, they were working outside in March putting up the booms and reinstalling the rigging and also taking the environmental covers off the ship.  The CO was apparently very difficult to work with so he left and we went back to the familiar model of small scale farming. 

You are right that risks abound and that is certainly true.  The Great Lakes are hardly risk free and are littered with wrecks to prove it.  Right now we are waiting for spring to get back out and look for a place to live.  I can tell you that southern Wisconsin has very hot summers and that will likely get worse.  The higher altitude of northern Minnesota and the lake effects of Lake Superior keep the temps about ten degrees cooler during the summer.  Historically, winters there are very harsh.  As to wild fires, the Superior National Forest has seen some real nasty ones in years gone by.  We canoed through one of the fire zones back in September 2015 and it was really quite shocking how much had burned.

The most immediate problem we all now face is that the great unwind (deflationary depression) is now shifting into 3rd gear and the fireworks should become evident for all to see soon enough.  I would still love to come to Alaska but an not sure I can afford it at this point in time.  Land is actually cheaper in the upper Midwest, probably due to over building and the dying of the industrial belt to the south and the iron mines to the north.  Properties in St. Louis County, MN, north of Duluth in the iron range, are in some cases, selling for as little as $0.10 on the dollar (pre 2007 values).  Properties in the north woods of Wisconsin are also being sold at give away prices just to get rid of them.  Of course, they are all foreclosures and many are in poor condition from sitting empty for several years.

I also have an elderly mother still living in Madison, who puts on a good show as to how well she is doing, but the reality is that she is 86 and I'm not sure how much longer she will be able to live in her own home, so I may be staying here longer than I planned to.  We shall have to wait and see what spring brings.

As to my absence, it is due more to having a lot going on and not always having the time or not having anything meaningful to say.  It is certainly not due to have hurt feelings.  You have to have a tough skin to survive on line these days... ;)

Doomsteading / Re: Seastead Porn of the Day
« on: January 16, 2016, 08:51:27 AM »
I'm sure this will really annoy the two of you.... but.... are you familiar with the problem of monster waves on the high seas?  The ones that are 100 feet tall and have a way of sinking large ships?  Jim Hansen and Paul Beckwith have both talked about these things and that they will be come the norm on the open seas in another 30 years putting an end to all ship traffic at sea apart from subs.  Doesn't bode well for seasteading now does it....

Like I said, not a way to win a popularity contest....

Doomsteading / Re: Location, Location, Location...
« on: January 16, 2016, 08:38:23 AM »
I was going to point out the problem of ocean-borne radiation from Japan.  Since it is moving in the water it will be global impacting food sources coming from the oceans.  Another problem for most of us is that we either don't have the resources or citizenship to move to the southern hemisphere.  Having grown up in what was once a part of Canada (Wisconsin), my traditional roots are agriculture for food production and canoeing/hiking for transportation.  I don't have the skill set to take up seasteading to head south and again, there is that radiation problem in the oceans that will never end.  I would have also had to have figured this all our ten years ago and made a different set of decisions and maybe I could have moved to Chile then assuming that I could find work there and learn to speak passable Spanish.  I also smell a lot of "if" on that plan.  So what to do now that I've sold my SW VA mountain based homestead?  Currently in WI planning to spend lots of time in northern MN and possibly western Ontario traveling via canoe.  Lots of fresh water up there and not a lot of people.  I can't stop what is coming, nor can I really run away from it in the end.  Best to learn to adapt and enjoy life as best as I can. 

I thought about posting this to Facebook but didn't.  Not that I was expecting anyone to react to it.  Shock is my reaction to just how bad this situation is.  I knew when it happened back in 2011 that it was going to be bad beyond belief.  Most people simply can't process this kind of information so they just shut it out.  I expect the cancer rates are really going to shoot up in the coming years. 


We reported in 2011 that the International Atomic Energy Agency knew within weeks that Fukushima had melted down … but failed and refused to tell the public.

The same year, we reported in 2011 that the U.S. knew within days of the Fukushima accident that Fukushima had melted down … but failed to tell the public.

We noted in 2012:

    The fuel pools and rods at Fukushima appear to have “boiled”, caught fire and/or exploded soon after the earthquake knocked out power systems. See this, this, this, this and this.

Now, a declassified report written by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission on March 18, 2011 – one week after the tidal wave hit Fukushima – states:

    The source term provided to NARAC was: (1) 25% of the total fuel in unit 2 released to the atmosphere, (2) 50% of the total spent fuel from unit 3 was released to the atmosphere, and (3) 100% of the total spent fuel was released to the atmosphere from unit 4.

FukushimaNARAC is the the U.S. National Atmospheric Release Advisory Center, located at the University of California’s Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. NARAC “provides tools and services that map the probable spread of hazardous material accidentally or intentionally released into the atmosphere“.

The fuel pools at Units 3 and 4 contained enormous amounts of radiation.

For example, there was “more cesium in that [Unit 4] fuel pool than in all 800 nuclear bombs exploded above ground.”

Geopolitics / Re: The Official Refugee Thread
« on: November 18, 2015, 04:07:04 AM »
Not sure, still thinking about Alaska, but family thinks it is too far away.  It may take some time to make a decision.

Geopolitics / Re: The Official Refugee Thread
« on: November 18, 2015, 03:31:22 AM »
I'm sure you've heard this one before.... "I've been meaning to write..."

Yes, we did.  The closing was 7/31/15.  It was a hell of a ride that I am glad is over.  Got the check and ran that Friday afternoon.  I remember watching Nicole Foss' piece, "A Tribute to the Automatic Earth." in 2009 and it took me three years to decide that she was right, get out of debt, and another three years to execute it.

Spent August tying up loose ends in Virginia, then headed northwest to WI and then onto the BWCA for a week of back country canoeing and then two weeks of camping in MN and northern WI. 

Back in my old home town of Madison, WI helping my 86 year old mother get her house ready for winter, then off to an interview for a position at Camphill in Minnesota this week.  Camphill is a home of developmentally disabled adults that is on a large farm.  They are looking for people to help them run said farm.

Otherwise, I'm acclimating to not farming and being in a city again.  Still trying to decide how best to approach things and move forward as our world continues its march to the sea.

Glad to see that you are recovering nicely from your neck surgery. 

Geopolitics / Re: The Official Refugee Thread
« on: November 18, 2015, 02:57:05 AM »
I found this posted in the comment section of JHK's piece, "There are no safe places."

Children of Men indeed.  Europe has an ugly future ahead.

This File is too large for the SMF.

You need to read it on the Blog.

The Human Extinction Survey: The Collapse Pundit Email Stream


Doesn't reading all those responses remind you of grading exams???

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