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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Name Calling Is Not A Coherent Argument.

« on: June 28, 2020, 04:30:59 PM »

@RE

More class shaming. Big surprise.  Yeah, I 'm just delusional.  And you're a collapse genius. Enjoy your fame.

I am not and have not ever been in this game for Fame.  If I was, I wouldn't be such an asshole.  lol.  I just call 'em as I see 'em.

And yes, I do Class Shaming, because Rich People need to be Shamed.  They consume too many resources.  Like Tall People.  You are Tall AND Rcih!  A double Whammy!

RE

That tall accusation is a little off-base too . I am not 6'2'' as you once wrote (I'm assuming because everybody pretty much looks tall from your perspective, just like a lot of people who aren't rich appear to you to be rich).

I'm not even quite 5'11" now, which was the very tallest I might have once been. Just goes to show.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Name Calling Is Not A Coherent Argument.

« on: June 28, 2020, 04:15:48 PM »

@JRM

Sorry, but your obsession with what you perceive as so important about the two subjects you seem to be so passionate about......the one being Critical Theory and the other Postmodernism, seemed to me to be......first and foremost.....a way to just put more mud into already muddy waters......

My only forays in these admittedly complex and difficult subjects were made to shine just a bit of light on the behavior of some dangerous and reprehensible people who are driven by their own versions of these, not necessarily your versions.

And my  goal was not to make the definitive statement on what either of those two weighty subjects might mean in some other context....orto to you as an amateur armchair philosopher.....

I never wished for you to explain to me why every source I read was somehow "not the real Critical Theory" or the real postmodernism....and that the social critics who mentioned them, like Jordan Peterson, whom you have such a major hard-on for........although you never quite got to mentioning specifics yourself...., other than posting long videos by your favorite philosophers.

But you are quite sure that JP committed "fraud on mankind"....even though you never wrote a single sentence that might really explain your point.

JP's writing speaks for itself. Nothing you'v written about him...or any of the many, many attack pieces Surly ever posted, has ever really been the least bit persuasive. It's filling the space with shit,  Steve Bannon tactics.

You just like to take my threads off on obscure tangents that almost nobody understands or cares about, as far as I can see, At best you are a distraction. At your worst you'e laying down cover fire for the people I'm calling out.

@RE

More class shaming. Big surprise.  Yeah, I 'm just delusional.  And you're a collapse genius. Enjoy your fame.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Name Calling Is Not A Coherent Argument.

« on: June 28, 2020, 02:47:46 PM »

Eric Weinstein is about as close as America comes to having a voice of reason in the midst of this culture war.....which is what's going on these days...

No, it is Class Warfare not Culture Warfare, and so far your Class. the Rich Class is Winning.

You can leave the Diner if you can break the habit of writing what you think.  If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Don't fuck with me though, and don't play me a game of Chess either.  You will lose.

RE

You are all about the class shaming.....and I never agreed and I still don't agree.

Fuck with you? Fuck with YOU?

I'm not fucking with you. I'm publicly divorcing myself from a site that has gone off in a direction I don't like, and which I will no longer support.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Glenn Loury Gets It

« on: June 28, 2020, 02:21:35 PM »

Glenn  Loury is an American economist, academic, and author. In 1982, at the age of 33, he became the first black tenured professor of economics in the history of Harvard University. He is the Merton P. Stoltz Professor of the Social Sciences and Professor of Economics at Brown University.

This is the voice of CFS on race. There is way more truth here than typically gets published on the Diner in a given week.


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All the offense is in the first 5 minutes.

The fact things may have improved in some ways since he was young, does not excuse what is wrong now.

He said "quote unquote, unarmed black man" , as if it is not a statement of material fact that they are literally unarmed black men. Do they need to be amputees to qualify as unARMed, without a question over them not having a weapon, or is the idea a black man is inherently dangerous acceptable?

He says the incidents caught on cam and broadcast on social media are the problem, because they are the focus instead of the day to day life of black people. What he should be looking at is whether the cams are revealing a wider phenomena. The number of shootings or death in custody not caught on cam in the past and wondering if these are also murder.  Then describe the alleged shootouts or aiming a weapon or reaching for something as "quote unquote, armed black men". He hasn't noticed that officers involved have often been suspended or investigated numerous times previously. Note he only mentioned bystander phone cams, not cctv, dashcam and body cams. Those are just as often responsible, but his bias is toward a comfortable status quo and the system supporting it, so he leaves out the cams belonging to the system in his complaint.

It doesn't matter that these killings are not representative of day to day life. It wouldn't matter if you made your raison d etre to get arrested every day. Unless you threaten the life of police, surviving contact with them should be a right, not a privilege.

He notes that BLM or their supporters say those killed were "ONLY passing a 20$ bill, or ONLY stole a a pack of cigarillos or ONLY selling loose cigarettes". What is his point, that misdemeanor offences should carry the death penalty?

He says incorrectly that in every case, they are resisting arrest. Again, what is the point, if any force is necessary, it may as well be lethal?

He doesn't know how the fatherlessness problem can be tackled, or he doesn't want to say.

Do not fail to note, while savoring the latest selected instance Eddie offers as a defense of the indefensible, to justify the unjustifiable, the post that knarf offered about how Dr. Lowry has recanted all his previous oeuvre, and is now a "recovering reactionary."
https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0905/p18s01-ussc.html

Would that all our reactionaries here would recover.

Turns out that the article in citation here is from 2002, and in the intervening 18 years, Loury has had plenty of time to reap the benefits of being a black conservative public intellectual while studiously avoiding the term. Very Thomas Sowell.

Yes, a successful author and a tenured academic who doesn't agree with you. Must be an Uncle Tom.  I knew you were going there.

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Marathon Man Newz / Name Calling Is Not A Coherent Argument.

« on: June 28, 2020, 02:19:10 PM »

I've been watching snippets of David Fuller's series on the current state of the Intellectual Dark Web. Fuller is a decent journalist......which to me includes asking hard questions.....but without doing it just to grind some particular axe.

Eric Weinstein is about as close as America comes to having a voice of reason in the midst of this culture war.....which is what's going on these days.... A culture war driven by bad ideas being promulgated by extremists on all sides of the political spectrum...a polarized population of wrong-headed people who are all so are so sure their cause is the "just"  one...that they can abandon all reason and let their deeply held feelings tell them what is right and wrong.

And which allows bad faith actors to feel justified in shouting down anyone who might disagree, engaging in all.kinds of name-calling, race-baiting, and class-shaming... which they think is okay, because their cause is so overwhelmingly obviously just....to them, anyway.

Fuller has been interviewing all the people who had their 15 minutes of fame when the IDW came to the attention of the general public.....I'm not convinced this is the last word on it, but I admire what he's trying to do, which I think is a worthwhile exercise.

My view is that any POV that can't be completely unpacked in one Tweet these days is way too complicated for most modern day Americans to waste time thinking about..

Anyway, I was listening to this and at just past 29 minutes Eric talks about why he doesn't waste his time engaging certain people on his channel. He said (and I'm paraphrasing) it's because they refuse to follow the rules for a  meaningful discourse.  They just want to score points for whatever narrow POV they happen to espouse, and if trolling works, they're willing to be trolls.

This is what has happened to the Diner., and that is the reason I'm less interested each and every day with talking to the regulars who post here. I might be wrong, but I think a lot of people come here to read me, judged by the thread traffic, and I no longer want to give my support to a site that is run by people who are more than willing to lie for a  "good cause"...and who work so hard in support of a narrative that makes less and less sense all the time.

The Diner always had a left of center bias, which I was okay with.....but the Social Justice Activist tribe is so far out in left field...and the Diner is so committed to THE NARRATIVE, that I know I'll have to vote with my feet. I will miss my participation, just like I missed TBP when I decided I didn't agree with their right-wing message. In the subsequent years they've gotten even further out in right field...so I don't suppose it's surprising to see the Diner move hard in the other direction.

My best bet is to stop writing altogether. There is no longer a platform for a guy like me, AFAIK. I have no need to write anything in order to survive and thrive in the current collapse. My best interests are served by turning invisible, like so many early collapse writers have done. The Diner is not my last stand. I don't need to waste a lot of time calling out trolls and arguing with stupid people about things they only think they understand.

Not David Duke. Just a matter of time, though, right?

Fucking troll.

 

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Glenn Loury Gets It

« on: June 28, 2020, 02:16:41 PM »

Glenn  Loury is an American economist, academic, and author. In 1982, at the age of 33, he became the first black tenured professor of economics in the history of Harvard University. He is the Merton P. Stoltz Professor of the Social Sciences and Professor of Economics at Brown University.

This is the voice of CFS on race. There is way more truth here than typically gets published on the Diner in a given week.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/gp4fg9PWuhM&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/gp4fg9PWuhM&fs=1</a>

All the offense is in the first 5 minutes.

The fact things may have improved in some ways since he was young, does not excuse what is wrong now.

He said "quote unquote, unarmed black man" , as if it is not a statement of material fact that they are literally unarmed black men. Do they need to be amputees to qualify as unARMed, without a question over them not having a weapon, or is the idea a black man is inherently dangerous acceptable?

He says the incidents caught on cam and broadcast on social media are the problem, because they are the focus instead of the day to day life of black people. What he should be looking at is whether the cams are revealing a wider phenomena. The number of shootings or death in custody not caught on cam in the past and wondering if these are also murder.  Then describe the alleged shootouts or aiming a weapon or reaching for something as "quote unquote, armed black men". He hasn't noticed that officers involved have often been suspended or investigated numerous times previously. Note he only mentioned bystander phone cams, not cctv, dashcam and body cams. Those are just as often responsible, but his bias is toward a comfortable status quo and the system supporting it, so he leaves out the cams belonging to the system in his complaint.

It doesn't matter that these killings are not representative of day to day life. It wouldn't matter if you made your raison d etre to get arrested every day. Unless you threaten the life of police, surviving contact with them should be a right, not a privilege.

He notes that BLM or their supporters say those killed were "ONLY passing a 20$ bill, or ONLY stole a a pack of cigarillos or ONLY selling loose cigarettes". What is his point, that misdemeanor offences should carry the death penalty?

He says incorrectly that in every case, they are resisting arrest. Again, what is the point, if any force is necessary, it may as well be lethal?

He doesn't know how the fatherlessness problem can be tackled, or he doesn't want to say.

Actually, very many of the black guys who get death-by-cop ARE resisting arrest. And the cases you know by name, the famous ones........all you have to show a lack of resisting is a video...which is never a video of everything that happened. It's a video that has some chance of showing egregious violations of human rights by the police. That goes viral because it gets shared by people who are outraged.

Even the George Floyd video..it can't be taken as proof of murder. You can't tell from the video whether Floyd resisted (which is what the cops said.). It doesn't mean it wasn't murder....It might have been, but the video doesn't clearly prove it, and that alone won't prove it in court.

We are a country of 325 million people. A thousand people a year get killed by cops. Not that many at all, for a big populous country More hispanics and blacks get killed proportionally. They both also are represented very disproportionally in shootings. I already posted the stats, which are not in doubt.

I have mentioned, and Loury mentions, that social media is a magnifying glass that focuses the attention on the 3 or 4 people who have the best death-by-cop video to share on Twitter.

I don't buy your simplistic view, Phil.....and your claim that this video is just a few clicks away from a David Duke video...if I keep clicking.....is basically you trolling me in a slightly more sophisticated than average way.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: BLM Has Proven They Can Break Eggs....But Where Is The Omelette?

« on: June 26, 2020, 01:02:55 PM »

Nor am I an "eddie Jr" as RE has charged. 

OK, how about "Eddie Lite"?  Same attitudes without so much money.  lol.

RE                                 

If you can't argue with the substance of an argument, then the next step is to go for personal needling and guilt by association.

This is why Surly repeatedly implies that I am some kind of white supremacist.......if you can't debunk the argument, you can always try to invalidate the person making it...by revealing them to be a nasty reactionary...or worse. It's the tactic of the ________ _______s.

Up your game, Leon

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Environment / Re: Climate

« on: June 26, 2020, 12:48:37 PM »

I thought climate was the horseman of the apocalypse that would take us down, but I was basing that on bad intel.......the bottom is  that there is some line that we might or might not have already crossed (nobody knows if we've crossed it, nobody, but it's agreed we're close)...and assuming that line has been crossed, there are some long term consequences coming that all the permaculture in the world won't fix.

And....I wasn't  figuring in a global pandemic, which I think will do more than anything to drive collapse for the next several months or even years.

But climate change  won't play out on the timeline suggested by the more hysterical voices.....it will play out over a few hundred years. The idea that we will soon experience  really widespread famine (particularly in the developed world) is an idea that has no real evidence to support it.

Like all political hot potatoes these days , there are radical groups using fear tactics and spewing  misinformation in order to advocate for what they see as a "just cause".

Once again, I say that the ends don't justify the means, if the means are unethical and based on a false narrative and emotional mob behavior. I go off on that a lot, but there is reason to do that.

New climate info out this last couple of months since I've written anything about it....... I need to see what is new to assimilate.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: BLM Has Proven They Can Break Eggs....But Where Is The Omelette?

« on: June 26, 2020, 12:01:15 PM »

Leaving aside the question of who believes in the notion around here, I will say that I am in complete agreement with those -- like Eddie -- who don't buy the stupid idea that all white people are racists, or that all men are misogynists, or that all straight / cis people are homophobes, and the like.   All that shit gets so tiresome after a while. 

It is astonishingly popular to believe that all men are misogynists, that all whites are racists, etc.  Or that white people somehow can't possibly understand what black people have gone through, or what Native Americans have gone through.

Speaking of straw men.... who advocated that all whites are racist? This is buying the Eddie line of bullshit. By that do you mean that structural racism doesn't exist?

And no matter how man y Horatio Alger stories you tell, and how many homely stories about the Old folks down in Dixie, and how many times you dewclainm your otherwise liberalism... if you use racist tools to advance racist aims, just whathhefuck does that make you? Racism aims being, "BLM is a scam" and to otherwise suppress the voices of the traditionally oppressed.

As I have said to The Good Doctor in other threads, "political correctness" is what the elites call it when the lower classes decide they are sick and tired of hovering up their shit.

"By their fruits shall ye know them."

No, you are once again misrepresenting my POV, and your own. You have said that I owe my humble success in life...which is not even all that much...to my "white privilege"....you have repeatedly insinuated in posts just like this one, that I am a racist...because I use the"tools of racism" and the lexicon of racism. What I use is the lexicon of people with reasonable criticism of your extreme POV.

And.....when I have pointed out that this giant hysterical movement, that it is driven by  the way social media shines its magnifying glass on a very tiny subset of encounters...you typically just shout your emotional calls to action and ignore the things you can't possibly rebut or defend.

Yes, I know you by your fruits. The fruits of your bad ideas of ancestral fault, atonement, reparations, endless ass-kissing of black bad behavior because of your white guilt...the fruits of that will be more violence and civil strife.

Your goal is not racial harmony. Your goal (and that of your Black Red Guard) is to grab power and tear down society and rebuild it, using force if necessary.

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Marathon Man Newz / Glenn Loury Gets It

« on: June 26, 2020, 11:25:40 AM »

Glenn  Loury is an American economist, academic, and author. In 1982, at the age of 33, he became the first black tenured professor of economics in the history of Harvard University. He is the Merton P. Stoltz Professor of the Social Sciences and Professor of Economics at Brown University.

This is the voice of CFS on race. There is way more truth here than typically gets published on the Diner in a given week.


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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Let's Examine James Howard Kunstler's Race/Gender Bias

« on: June 25, 2020, 05:36:00 PM »

I could have been clearer about the 1SD below avg IQ of Irish catching up to the WASP when they were given full white man status all else being equal . That is they no longer experience systemic racism. That is what is needed for any other group such as aframerican with an avg IQ dragged down to also catch up.

The process of natural selection I put forward for the Jews from Eastern Europe involves the complacent losing identity or dying.
Outsmarting the Pharoah by Moses was lifting the 5lb dumbell, I think he probably just got them to believe natural phenomena was sent by his God. The second occasion with their lost tribes event is the 10lb. Various persecutions through the centuries and by the time of the communist revolution in Russia they're lifting 100, when Hitler opens Aushwits 200. What I mean is natural selection of things necessary to stay 2 steps ahead becoming culture.

I don't dispute the 75% figure re Cali NART, meaning national adult reading test.

Very interesting RE says the gifted class was monopollised by Asians even when they were camp cooks and building railways. Maybe that's helped by police not racially profiling-- unless they investigate a break in where they find the computer windows updated, math homework done, letterbox or gate knocked over and rice missing.

 My thesis is.....that if natural selection is what drives IQ, (and that it can change in one or two generations like it would have to if you're right about the Irish)....then we should be seeing IQ's start to drop precipitously......across the board........and real soon, because we definitely are NOT selecting for high intelligence in this day and time. Far from it.

In general I think the idea that some of these things have to do with evolutionary biology.....which if I understand you, is what you're saying......that is good thinking.

I think high intelligence runs like a thread through some families and shows up in most generations in some individuals..but not all. This is just based on what I've seen in my own family. Totally anecdotal.

My family name originated in Oxford, and I believe (or at least suspect) that there is a long line of teachers in my family going back to antiquity. I do not have proof of that. LOL.

I wanted to be a teacher, when I was quite young. I idolized A.S Neill. How many 12 year olds do you know who read Summerhill and dreamed  of attending a school like that, or being a teacher there? I did.

 Much more recently I met someone much older than I am, who at the time I was reading and dreaming  about Summerhill, he was starting schools like that in this country. His name was Bob Hartley, the guy who later became  responsible for the modern version of Harbin Hot Springs.....he also tried to become a Gestalt Therapist, which I also wanted to be when I was a little older. He knew Fritz Perls...but when Fritz died, he was turned away by the people who took over from him.

That was an interesting thing....to meet someone who actually did all the things I only dreamed of....he is now known affectionally by many as Ishvarra, and for years he has done nothing but meditate. I saw him last year....he is getting really old now.

I had an uncle who was a teacher, and my father (who was not a college educated man), diid teach certain things. He was a 32nd degree Mason, and he taught the rituals from those little books of theirs, which are all written in cypher....

I have a daughter who teaches gifted kids and runs a summer camp for gifted kids.

I recognize that Jewish people are as a group, very intelligent. Growing up where I grew up, there were no Jewish people I knew at all, but in adulthood I have somehow, without trying, made several Jewish friends, some of whom are famous, as well as really smart.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Let's Examine James Howard Kunstler's Race/Gender Bias

« on: June 25, 2020, 03:56:47 PM »

I'm a moderately okay chess player, and have quite honestly played chess with people in almost every nation on Earth--and this is a fact. Or, rather, it is absolutely true.

But so what?

Eddie, are you learning anything about Jordan Peterson's fraud against humanity from me? I hope so. I've been trying.

I got interested in JP when his self-help book came out. Somebody who was eventually banned here brought him up. I had never heard of him. I am interested in Jung,,,,and interested in studying personalities...and I thought he had good advice for young men, and that he was right to be concerned abut how young men are becoming disposable in our culture.

I watched some of his college lectures...they were very good.

After he was attacked by the ________ _______s on his campus, I watched some of his videos in which he defended his actions...and I liked his ability to shred the huge piles of crap that were thrown at him.

I read his take on climate change....and disagreed pretty fundamentally with his take. But that is some muddy fucking water too, and so I started my climate change thread here, which I am still proud of.....I waded through every model there is, and looked at just about every claim made by anybody halfway scientific who was making claims one way or another. I now have a view which is slightly different that my original view (which was closer to the XR people). Now I think I think I understand climate change about as well as it can be understood. I think we're pretty screwed but I don't think most of the bad stuff will manifest in time for me to get in on the mass extinction.

So some things I think JP gets right and others he probably doesn't. I have no idea what you even mean by his fraud against humanity...I have always  considered him to be sincere and capable of some deep insights. If he is some kind of big fraud, no, I missed it.

Tell me why.  Don't post a video by one of his detractors. We can certainly discuss it like friends, I think.

Many people I greatly admire have big flaws... that is just something I have found to be part of the human condition.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Let's Examine James Howard Kunstler's Race/Gender Bias

« on: June 25, 2020, 03:34:24 PM »

I can't carry a tune in a bucket.

You can't play a very good game of Chess either.   

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Can any of your kids play well?  I could use a good challenge.

RE

If I cared to play regularly, which I do not, I could probably get good enough to at least play you a  decent game. I would never be really good though, and I just told you why.  Everything I ever knew about chess openings and strategy are long forgotten. I barely remember how the pieces move.

Like you, I mostly like to do things that come easily to me. And many things do....but my best skills are verbal...and even though I wasn't naturally gifted as an artist, I have gotten pretty good at making things with my hands. That came from practice.

As far as I know, none of my kids plays much chess. My son is pretty intelligent, and he does have a gift for making art.. He's pretty busy. I doubt you could get a game out of him.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: BLM Has Proven They Can Break Eggs....But Where Is The Omelette?

« on: June 25, 2020, 03:25:58 PM »

What, then, is the real and actual -- substantive -- disagreement between Eddie and Surly, I wonder.

Are they simply caught up in misrepresenting one another and shadow-boxing? What in heaven's name is happening here?

Read for comprehension. I feel that both of us have made our points-- and our differences-- abundantly clear.

Eddie insists he is not a racist while using the same charged language and framing to make the same points they make. And this goes oil and on and on because, like his Confederate antecedents, he can't admit when he's beat.

More ad hom.

You are implying once again that I'm racist, simply because I do not agree with your extreme views. And if you have the idea that your repetitive, intellectually devoid rants have somehow "beaten" me, you are way more delusional that I thought.

It is NOT ad hom if true. And true it is. You do indeed use the same charged language, tropes, tools and techniques and framing to make the identical points racists make. You are in ideologue. And the only one delusional here is you.

Help yourself to the dingleberries.

No, actually I don't use the language, tropes (that's about your favorite word isn't it, tropes?) or the tools and techniques racists use. And..I am not a racist, no matter how many times you call me one.

But you ARE willing to do or say anything to try to smear me with that brush. Including gladly gilding the lily.

To a BLM sycophant like you, all white people are racist, by definition. But that is some crazy shit, Social Justice Man.

Better watch out or you might trip over your cape.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Let's Examine James Howard Kunstler's Race/Gender Bias

« on: June 25, 2020, 03:18:30 PM »

In terms of percentages, I never tested under the 99th percentile, and for some of the test I took that had a deeper database, the 99.9th percentile.  Insofar as those things go and what they test, I am smarter than at least the next 1000 people in line here.  lol.

RE

Or you were, up until the age of 10!   

Nah.  It lasted until at least age 25 or so.  Downhill slide ever since.  But still not too bad.  Play me a game of Chess sometime and you will see I haven't yet lost all the marbles God gave me at startup. Just ask Eddie.  It took me about 15 moves to CRUSH him. 

RE

I haven't played chess regularly since I was 16. Chess is a game, with proven gambits that work. A mistake early in a chess game is hard to recover from. I never loved to play chess......

It helps to have the kind of brain that lets you consider several moves and the consequences of those moves very quickly. My brain doesn't work like that. I have a good brain for remembering facts and things I've read...

In truth,  I don't like any games at all. I don't care for cards, although I am better at cards than at chess...I'd usually rather read a book...or study something that actually interests me and has a practical application.