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Goldfeder claiming antisemitism is acceptable discrimination because someone who apologised and was sanctioned was not totally destroyed, is close to the usual claim that being anti Zionist is antisemitic. Saying this while knowing full well that there is no form of discrimination more illegal, reinforces the stereotype he is supposed to be against.

Goldfeder is a human rights lawyer. and a rabbi, and senior faculty at Emory Law School.  I'm pretty sure he understands the nuance.

In case you don't know, all the anti-semitic stuff these racist black guys who call themselves "Woke" are spouting on Instagram and YT..... is straight repetition from Louis Farrakhan...and he is NOT merely anti-Zionist. He is the direct spiritual descendant of Elijah Huhammad, who taught that "the white man is the devil"...and that is a direct quote,

I am not a Zionist..but I have some Jewish friends...and here's a news flash for ya,

MOST Jewish people in America are very pro-Israel.

My point was about Jackson. Good try......on making it about something else.

I didn't make it about anything else. Goldsteder calls for the full extent of cancel culture in the NFL for Jackson. Apology and sanction not adequate, he must be delisted.

 nuance only applies to white supremacists anti-Semites who hide behind innuendo.  I recognize it well enough, as I school them in their stupidity, that is if the platform even allows you to type "Jews", hence the flat out lie by goldsteader that antisemitism is tolerated.

 He doesn't get the nuance of intersectionality maybe.  Jackson was forthright, not using innuendo as white supremacists antisemites do. Goldsteaders is just another reflexive ingroup preferance response. I doubt you would want the AMA to apply goldsteaders standard of having members struck off for one conspiracy theory on race post.

 I have referred to 'the white devil' when opening my own mothers eyes about the historical and ongoing atrocities of it. It's a belief in God's will for Zionism and world dominion. The white man HAS been the devil to the rest of the world. When we say 'the white devil' we don't mean mama needs exorcising, we mean she needs to understand Jesus was a long hair sandal wearing peacenik and singing 'onward Christian soldier' on Sunday will get any of her draft age grandchildren killed uselessly if they fall for it too.

I thought most Jews were secular leftists and it's the democrats who are trying to do anything at all about the Palestinian genocide.

Phil what he is saying is that it is absolutely hypocritical for people to get canceled for saying things that anybody should be able to say without fear of losing their jobs...and for a very rich spoiled athlete like DeSean Jackson, to get a pass when he says things that are far more outrageous. It shows that the TV networks are terribly selective in how they spin the whole narrative.

You can see that. Yo are not stupid.

Whatever you think about the white man being the devil, and whatever your think people elsewhere think....they're lined up, black and brown people, to get a seat at this table. 

Some of your replies are not very coherent, Phil. You have a lot of things all mixed up together like they're ONE thing, and that is wrong. Christian soldiers and draft age kids.....WTF are you taking about? 

Like all true believers, you have your righteousness to keep you warm.....all issues become about race, and everyone who disagrees with you on anything has to be evil. This is bad thinking. It's exactly what Surly does..... and whole lot of people. You will be very surprised if what your think you want actually comes to pass, because it isn't going to be anything like what you expect.

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@Monsta and @Phil

I do hope that you can take the time to listen the Sam Harris video. It's the first time I've actually listened to him, although I knew who he was.

One aside.....Of all the IDW guys, I got to him last, probably because he is known to be an atheist...who has a lot of critical things to say about both Islam and Christianity....Not sure why that bothered me, since I do too. But I don't consider myself an atheist...and so I passed him by for a long time.

But this audio actually covers every single concern I have about current race relations, the way social media has influenced this current zeitgeist we're in...what is true.... and what is very clearly false about the social justice activist position on race. It literally covers, much better than I obviously have, exactly the points I've been trying to make here for weeks or months.

The only thing I found myself disagreeing with him on was his assertion that reparations might be a good idea.....I don't think that.

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Thinking that racism has largely gone due to the civil rights movement is a dangerous way of thinking. The thing you need to understand is that people have a natural tendency to be racist and think more favourably of certain social/cultural or race groups. In America the focus is on the black and white racial divide but in other countries it occurs also.

I never said racism is gone. I said we have made laws already that are designed to protect people from it.....I think racism is part of the human condition, and will never be completely erased, only ameliorated. My criticism goes to HOW we go forward....BLM is a deeply flawed movement that will do more harm than good.

What is true is that violence by police is at 30 year lows...and it is also true, as Harris says, that for many reasons there will always be a potential for another video like the George Floyd video......in a country with 325 million people, where 10 million people a year get arrested, 

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Plus it important to realise that legislation by itself will not stop it. It has to be enforced, applied fairly and be accepted and supported by the general public and the government instiutions... Failure to do so and it will be like the law doesn't exist. The fact of the matter is racism exists on a systemic level....

II believe, based on a lifetime of experience here, having gone to university with black people and brown people, and having seen the very real efforts on many fronts to reduce and eliminate "systemic" racism, that this part of the BLM party line is completely overblown. I can give you as many examples of  people in positions of authority trying to make this better as you can examples of any kind of barriers. The evidence clearly shows that systemic racism has been on the decline in America since I was a kid. As Harris points out, we have major cities that are on their 3rd and 4th generation of black mayors...we have increased diversity in police departments...done so many things. Systemic racism still exists, but it isn't what it once was, nor is it as bad as SJA's are trying to claim.

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I think if you get to the bottom of it the big point the George Floyd killing made was the fact that police brutality is rampant in America.

No, it only appears that way because both social media and mainstream media have decided to focus our attention on it. If you don't listen to anything else, go to about 1:30 into the audio and listen to Harris debunk this.....We are a country of 325 million people, and the number of people simply murdered by police, regardless of race, is a vanishingly small number when you factor in 10 million arrests a year, and understand that most (not all) of these killings. begin with a suspect resisting arrest.

There are some examples of straight up police murders...unarmed kids shot...I know that,...but as Harris points out, the numbers show that black and brown cops are more likely shoot at black people than white cops are, in these situations where things go terribly wrong.

The data is clear, and it is very clearly being ignored......by a whole lot of people, who are on this SJA mission. It isn't a rational approach, what is going one now.

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Also if you think that blacks/hispanics are more involved in crime and gangs the next question you need to ask is why is that the case?

Monsta, I don't just think it....it is absolutely undeniably true...and the causes ARE relevant to this discussion.....but the way past that...to fix that, which is desirable, is NOT the way we're headed.

The BLM approach to racial justice, which is to promote black people and arbitrarily take authority away from white people and give it to black people.....because of past oppression and slavery that ended 4 or 5 generations ago...is a very bad idea, that will not end well. It is anti-intellectual Maoism at it's worst.

And to see the Democratic Party leaders like Biden and Pelosi jumping on the BLM bandwagon like this is the route to racial harmony, is disturbing. It's the same response as the corporations.....the public relations approach, designed to make sure the Dems are are clearly perceived as the party that advocates for blacks (even though the evidence for this is mixed) and it isn't any kind of way to bring most working-class white people to the polls to vote for their candidate. When a totally incompetent Republican like Trump still has a chance of being elected, and he does, this indicates to me that the Democratic Party is perhaps doomed...and America could go very far to the right, to authoritarianism and the maximum law and order approach....the Jeff Sessions approach.

Like I said, Harris makes my case perfectly. If you listen and disagree much with him, then you and I have lost the ability to agree at all on reality, and I will abandon our dialog. I don't do this stuff to troll. I'm a patriot.I care about racial harmony, and I'm slightly left of center...without people like me in the Democratic Party,,,,,liberal politics is dead and we're either fascist or Maoist...and we could get there quicker than you think.












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And if you wish to make common cause with Ashvin, I invite you and he to go stand up your own blog, wherein you and he can remain locked in a passionate, sweaty embrace. And be ignored by millions.

I wished, and still do wish, to make common cause with you.....but the problem with that is that you won't listen to anything that contradicts your extremist SJA agenda. Your dogmatic dedication to your closely held beliefs prevents you from listening to reason.

I'm fairly sure you won't listen to the audio of Sam Harris I just posted.....but I wish you would, because it says all the things that I've been trying to say, but he does it much better, I'll have to admit.

I do not think you can listen to it and remain so dedicated to misunderstanding and misrepresenting my POV...unless you truly have lost every last bit of your common sense.

What I'm going to do is continue the dialog I'm having here with Monsta.....we are disagreeing, but we are having a dialog....a conversation......and as long as we can talk about these difficult issues and have such a conversation, it's a fruitful exercise.

That's the real difference here, You quit listening to me a long time back now, because I said some things that, although true, push a lot of your buttons.

I remember when Ashvin wrote on Automatic Earth...what a great job he did...how much he got right...He hasn't lost his mind...he just went conservative.....people seem to be forced now to go extreme...one way or another...you went the other way.

Ashvin might not be perfectly right on his take now, but he sees the big picture well enough, and you should listen to him, rather than to use your attack-dog mode...which isn't all that  effective anyway.

I am working, but I am going to respond to Monster now. Read it and try to understand,,,,,,or just show your ass some more. Up to you.




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Marathon Man Newz / Re: No........ My Day Isn't Quite Over Yet
« on: July 15, 2020, 06:47:13 PM »
I'm listening to this podcast by Sam Harris now, which is already a month old...but still resonates completely with me. I wanted to share it somewhere...this seems like a good place.

Audio only, but well worth a listen.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/vmgxtcbc4iU&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/vmgxtcbc4iU&fs=1</a>

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I'm at work. No time to watch videos at work. Especially 55 y.o. debates between two people who are long dead.

You'lll spend hours watching JFP vids.  Bill Buckley wipes the floor with JFP.  They are both long dead, but the arguments live on, into all eternity.

I am in no rush.  I am a housebound cripple you know.  lol.

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JFP?

Jordan Peterson?  I didn't even watch or post a comment on that one Ashvin dropped the other day. I read the  comments.

I never said Buckley was dumb.

He was a great sailor, and wrote some good sailing books..........one or two of which I read long ago. Worth it.

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Marathon Man Newz / Asheville NC Votes For Local Reparations
« on: July 15, 2020, 02:46:45 PM »
Big college town with progressive politics. The article says the "reparations" will be in the form of "investments" in the black community and that it will be aimed at helping black people "build intergenerational wealth".

Wait, I thought socialists were opposed to building intergenerational wealth?  Maybe that's only for the white oppressor class?

I can't wait to see how this little social justice experiment pans out. It has conduit scheme written all over it.



 North Carolina city votes to give reparations to Black residents as ‘removing statues isn’t enough’

Laura Gesualdi-Gilmore

Jul 15 2020, 11:51 ETUpdated: Jul 15 2020, 15:16 ET

IN A historic move, one US city has apologized for its role in slavery and voted in favor of providing reparations to its African-American community.

The vote to provide reparations passed unanimously in the Asheville, North Carolina, city council on Tuesday.

 
Amid ongoing calls for racial justice across the US, Asheville, North Carolina has voted to provide reparations to the Black communityCredit: AFP or licensors
The reparations won't come in the form of direct payments to Black residents, but will instead invest in areas where the community often deals with disparities.

"Hundreds of years of Black blood spilled that basically fills the cup we drink from today," Councilman Keith Young, one of two Black members on the council, said.

"It is simply not enough to remove statues. Black people in this country are dealing with issues that are systemic in nature," he added, referring to calls across the US to remove statues of historical figures linked to America's racist past.

The city of Asheville recently took down a monument of Confederate General Robert E. Lee from its downtown area.


The resolution states that reparations will include things like making moves to increase minority home ownership and business ownership, closing gaps in things like access to health care and neighborhood safety initiatives.

"The resulting budgetary and programmatic priorities may include but not be limited to increasing minority home ownership and access to other affordable housing, increasing minority business ownership and career opportunities, strategies to grow equity and generational wealth, closing the gaps in health care, education, employment and pay, neighborhood safety and fairness within criminal justice," the resolution says.

Though there was some opposition, most members of the public who attended the council meeting and spoke after the unanimous vote expressed support for the reparations, according to USA Today.


Rob Thomas, a community liaison for the Racial Justice Coalition which led the push for reparations, said that passing the decision comes with incredible potential.

"This is a really, really good gesture as far as the foundation of what we can build," he said. "The potential of what can come out of this document is amazing."

Thomas said the focus should be increasing generational wealth - as it's something that Black Americans have been deprived of through economic and regulatory discrimination.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1142664/north-carolina-city-will-give-reparations-to-black-community/


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Marathon Man Newz / That Didn't Take Long
« on: July 15, 2020, 02:09:12 PM »
I see the racist Colston statue has now been replaced by an appropriate anti-racist statue of a proud woman of color with a raised fist signifying.....signifying.....what?

Reminds me of the bard..



Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing





Statue of U.K. slave trader replaced with one of Black Lives Matter protester

BY HALEY OTT
JULY 15, 2020 / 2:38 PM / CBS NEWS

London — The statue of a slave trader that was torn down and thrown into a river last month in Bristol, England, was replaced overnight by a sculpture of a Black Lives Matter protester with a fist raised to the sky. The new statue of Jen Reid, who helped pull down the statue of 17th-century merchant Edward Colston in June and was photographed in the same pose, was secretly installed by the team of artist Marc Quinn at dawn on Wednesday.

A cardboard sign saying "Black lives still matter" was placed beneath the work, which the artist titled "A surge of power (Jen Reid) 2020."

The city of Bristol has not yet officially decided what to do with the plinth on which Colston's statue previously stood, and it was unclear Wednesday how long the new statue might remain in the spot. In a statement, Bristol's mayor, Marvin Rees, said that the installation had been put up without permission.

 
"We have established a history commission which will help us tell our full city history," Rees said in a statement. "As we learn this fuller history including the part played by black people, women, the working class, trade unions, and children among others, we will be in a better position to understand who we are, how we got here and who we wish to honour."

Quinn and Reid, who collaborated on the work, have said the installation was intended to be temporary.

"When I was stood there on the plinth, and raised my arm in a Black Power salute, it was totally spontaneous, I didn't even think about it," Reid said in a statement about the work. "It was like an electrical charge of power was running through me. My immediate thoughts were for the enslaved people who died at the hands of Colston and to give them power. I wanted to give George Floyd power, I wanted to give power to Black people like me who have suffered injustices and inequality. A surge of power out to them all," she said.

Statue Of BLM Protester Placed On Colston Plinth In Bristol
Black Lives Matter protestor Jen Reid poses for a photograph in front of a sculpture of herself, by local artist Marc Quinn, on the plinth where the Edward Colston statue used to stand on July 15, 2020 in Bristol, England.
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"It is such a powerful image, of a moment I felt had to be materialized, forever," Quinn said in a statement. He said he contacted Reid via social media after he saw the photograph of her about the idea of a sculpture and she agreed to collaborate.


After the killing of George Floyd in Minnesota, Black Lives Matter protests erupted in cities across the United Kingdom. In Bristol, protesters defaced and then pulled down the statue of the slave trader Colston, which had stood in a central square, dragged it to the harbor and threw it into the river. It was eventually retrieved, and conservationists say it will be put in a museum with the graffiti from the protest preserved.

"Jen and I are not putting this sculpture on the plinth as a permanent solution to what should be there — it's a spark which we hope will help to bring continued attention to this vital and pressing issue. We want to keep highlighting the unacceptable problem of institutionalized and systemic racism that everyone has a duty to face up to," Quinn said.

"This sculpture is about making a stand for my mother, for my daughter, for Black people like me," Reid said. "It's about Black children seeing it up there. It's something to feel proud of, to have a sense of belonging, because we actually do belong here and we're not going anywhere."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/edward-colston-slave-trader-statue-replaced-black-lives-matter-protester/

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K-Dog Off Leash Newz / Re: Covid Party
« on: July 15, 2020, 01:54:38 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZlPOaKlJ5ig" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/ZlPOaKlJ5ig</a>

I downloaded the video from here:

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party

I downloaded the video and posted it up to You-Tube.  That is why the views are so low.

I once worked in that hospital, as did the missus. I went to school for four years, right across the street.

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Marathon Man Newz / Re: No........ My Day Isn't Quite Over Yet
« on: July 15, 2020, 01:14:43 PM »
Conflating what is going on now with the real civil rights movement is pure stupidity on your part. Or you're deliberately laying down cover for ignorant, angry people who want a revolution.....

Surly is not conflating the two movements rather he is trying to draw similarities by taking the overall dynamics that tends to occur during mass movement events. When people push for change you will always get people that oppose change. Some opponents will make their intentions very clear and vocal and it will be directly against the prosestors demands. They are a problem but often the bigger issue is not this group as their numbers maybe smaller. The biggest issue can be the silent dissenter who in normal times maybe supportive with the overall aims of the prostesting group but when big action is taken will be against the movement because the timing is not right or perhaps they are pushing their views to forceably and creating a disturbance (breaking the peace so to speak).

This overall dynamic in social movements is seen in any area even outside a racial context. For example before the black live matters protests you had the me too movement. Plenty of men would support the notion of equal gender rights and for rape/sexual harrasement to be taken seriously yet when me too sprung about you got a heap of formally supportive men who said the women in the me too movement where behaving over the top and it was repressive to men. Again former supporters of the protesting group suddenly turned coat and expressed views that seemed to support the status quo. Previous to that you had the wall street movement. Lots of people agree social inequality is too great in America but when people protest on the street for this issue to be taken seriously the people who wanted to take action where called entitled/soft/spoiled or too supportive over socialist policies.

The final point I would like is that when any movement gets big enough you are bound to get bad/rogue elements in the group that are either violent or support views that are not correct. This is natural and to a large extent they are outliers. The moderate views of a protesting group are often peaceful, reasonable and most important open to negotiation. It is just, like most things, you get the vocal minority that could spoil the image of the moderates moreover those extreme viewpoints often get a greater proportion of the media coverage because their views are more newsworthy than the more senisble elements. The key point to understand is whether the central message is reasonable and is something worth fighting. What change seems reaonable now may have seemed over top when it originally happened. For example we take women's voting and civil rights for miniority's as a given yet when those matters were debated with mass protests at the time it was very controversal and I bet you got a good segment of people who thought those protestors where complaining over nothing. There is never really a right to wait and protest and there will be some rogue elements. We just have to understand if the group as a whole are fighting for something genuinely worthwhile. Getting overly critical simply becomes an implicit way of supporting the status quo.

Sadly, I think this is a gross misrepresentation of reality in 2020.

You are right in connecting the dots between #MeToo and BLM...because they spring from the exact same place, and originated with the same misguided group of people. Peggy McIntosh is the poster child for both....Her "work" in the 1980's and the decision by major universities  to laud her and people just like her.....as legitimate scholars.....is what lead us to where we stand today,....which is not far from an anti-intellectual, anti-science revolution led by malicious opportunists wrapped in a cloak of social justice.

And both "movements" are symptoms of the exact same disease in my book.

I don't think BLM is any kind of legitimate progression that can be compared to the non-violent protests that led to the end of Jim Crow and to the Civll Rights Act of 1965.

Pretending that this movement is about achieving racial justice  is disingenuous....equality has been legislated for two generations....we have laws that are supposed to protect everyone....and equally.

Police violence is something we can all see is a problem...but you are certainly capable of understanding that social media focuses anger and makes this problem appear worse than it really is. The cops in this country shoot too much. But it's a very violent country with a lot of armed thugs walking and driving around.

Any police violence against anybody.......is something no sane person of any ethnicity wants, Who are these white people who think it's okay for cops to kill innocent young black men? Not me. My heart goes out to every parent  and every brother and sister of every young kid who has died.

I do think that making laws that create a criminal class for no reason...incarcerating people for using and selling petty amounts of drugs, especially, means that young black men....on average....are apt to run afoul of the police in larger numbers than white kids (or affluent black kids)  from tony suburbs.

And in America, black AND hispanic young people are the ones joining urban gangs and shooting each other in large numbers....that brings the police into the hood...it just does. Me saying that don't make me a racist.It's a hard fact, and has little to do with white privilege or racism on the part of police. Police are afraid....of getting shot. So they shoot first, way too many times.

Your points are always well made and delivered with equanimity, which I appreciate and respect....but I can't really agree with you on this one, Monsta. I once saw things in a similar way, but it has become obvious to me that I was wrong..and that Ashvin was right about many things I used to argue with him about. I think you will see that too before this is over. 

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Marathon Man Newz / Massive Jump In Gun Violence IN NYC
« on: July 15, 2020, 12:34:43 PM »
Yeah, that whole #DefundThe Police thing.......maybe certain spots are just not quite ready for that.....just sayin'.....

The Wave of Gun Violence in N.Y.C.

Daniel E. Slotnik
By Daniel E. Slotnik
July 15, 2020
Updated 6:25 a.m. ET





For decades, New York City had embraced the title of the “safest big city in the country.” But now, as it cautiously emerges from months of a coronavirus lockdown, it is battling a surge in gun violence.

The latest numbers are stark: 53 people were shot — four fatally — from Friday through Monday, the police said. Over the Fourth of July weekend, the police reported 64 shootings.

For the year, as of Sunday, there had been 634 shootings in 2020, compared with 394 in same period in 2019.

Here’s what we know about the violence.

The recent casualties

The 53 people shot in New York City between Friday and Monday included a 1-year-old boy who was killed on Sunday when two gunmen opened fire at a cookout in Bedford-Stuyvesant, and a 17-year-old boy who was shot in the head on Monday night outside a housing project in East Harlem.

Also on Monday, in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, five people were shot in three drive-by shootings. The victims were expected to survive, a police official said.
On Tuesday afternoon, there were two more fatalities: a 15-year-old boy and a 34-year-old man. They had gotten into an argument and shot each other, the police said.

City and police officials have suggested various reasons for the increase in gun violence, and it’s difficult to pinpoint one root cause.

How about gangbangers riding around in cars with guns out.....looking to pop a cap in some homeboy's ass? Could that possibly be it?

The start of summer is traditionally a high-crime period, as people spend more time outdoors. The crisis this season may be compounded by virus restrictions that limit indoor gatherings.

Mayor Bill de Blasio has discussed economic hardship, coupled with the stress of enduring the outbreak, as possible drivers for gun violence.

The police commissioner, Dermot F. Shea, has pointed to the release of inmates from city jails during the pandemic and new regulations on the police — including a ban on chokeholds — as possible factors.

Solving the crimes

So far this year, the police have been able to make an arrest in about one in four shootings, instead of the usual one in three, according to my colleague Ashley Southall, The Times’s police bureau chief.

Police officials have said that recent changes to the criminal justice system, notably a law curtailing cash bail for some defendants, have driven up crime. They also have said the commissioner’s decision to disband some plainclothes units that targeted illegal guns and violent crime may have contributed to the rise in shootings.
Some critics of the department have accused the police of easing up on enforcement. Chief of Department Terence A. Monahan has denied a purposeful slowdown, though he said on Tuesday that many officers were fearful they might be arrested if they took “proactive” steps to stop crime.

“All the rhetoric of Defund the Police, get rid of the police, abolish the police, that’s got to end, that has to stop,” he told 1010 WINS radio. “We need to find a middle ground of cops and communities, working together to handle a lot of these issues here.”

How the violence compares

Crime in New York has declined drastically since 1990, when there were 2,245 killings and more than 5,000 people shot. Last year, there were about 320 murders.

Still, Christopher Herrmann, a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice who once analyzed crime statistics for the Police Department, said the recent jump in shootings was worrisome.

“I have been studying this for a long time,” Mr. Herrmann told my colleagues. “I have never seen that much of an increase ever.”


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No, you wanted to paint me as the Buckley in this debate...and that is far from accurate.

I did no painting of anyone.
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Yeah, right. Sure.

There's a powerful rebuttal.  ::)

Why don't you try addresing the points made in the debate betwen Bill and James?  Bring it to topic.

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I'm at work. No time to watch videos at work. Especially 55 y.o. debates between two people who are long dead.

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Marathon Man Newz / A Report On The Moderna Vaccine Trial
« on: July 15, 2020, 12:05:44 PM »
The headline makes it sound bad, but for a preliminary trial, this doesn't sound too horrible to me, in terms of side effects.  It remains to be seen how efficacious the vaccine will be over time..

Moderna COVID-19 vaccine induced adverse reactions in 'more than half' of trial participants

One-fifth of participants in one test group reported 'one or more severe adverse events.'



By Daniel Payne
Last Updated:
July 15, 2020 - 12:24pm


A highly anticipated clinical trial for a potential COVID-19 vaccine managed in part by the American drug company Moderna has resulted is some adverse effects in more than half of the trial's participants, with one test group reporting "severe" symptoms.

The trial, which is also being sponsored by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, administered the vaccine "as a 0.5-ml injection in the deltoid muscle" in two shots spaced about one month apart. Two separate groups received 25-microgram and 100-microgram doses, respectively. A third group with a 250-microgram dose was subsequently added.

The vaccine "induced anti–SARS-CoV-2 immune responses in all participants," the research team reported Tuesday in the New England Journal of Medicine. Researchers said that "no trial-limiting safety concerns were identified." Yet a majority of participants still reported at least one side effect.

"Solicited adverse events that occurred in more than half the participants included fatigue, chills, headache, myalgia, and pain at the injection site," the report states. Fever, joint pain and nausea were also reported.

Side effects grew more common with more (and larger) injections, the scientists write: "Systemic adverse events were more common after the second vaccination, particularly with the highest dose, and three participants (21%) in the 250-μg dose group reported one or more severe adverse events."

Notably, every participant in the two larger-dose groups reported adverse reactions after their second injections. One study participant in the smallest-dose group, meanwhile, was removed due to having developed hives after the first round of injections.

The scientists said that due to the ongoing status of the project, they are not yet "able to assess the durability of the immune responses" generated by the vaccine, but that they intend to follow participants "for 1 year after the second vaccination" and examine regular blood samples to monitor the vaccine's effects.

A large trial "expected to evaluate a 100-μg dose" is "anticipated to begin during the summer of 2020," the report states.

https://justthenews.com/nation/science/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-induced-adverse-reactions-more-half-trial-participants?utm_source=justthenews.com&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=external-news-aggregators


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Marathon Man Newz / Re: YA Adult Novel Canceled
« on: July 15, 2020, 11:50:10 AM »
If the book has not been published how can she be challenged on it's content?

Or am I not supposed to notice.

I've decided not to write the novel I was going to start next year about ancient African civilizations in Antarctica.  I've decided I don't know enough about ice.  This makes about the same sense.

The complaining bitch has a website and this is from her book:

A captivating fantasy for today's readers, Bethany C. Morrow's debut YA, A Song Below Water, is about two sister-friends discovering their magical identities against the challenges of misogynoir.

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​Tavia is already at odds with the world, forced to keep her siren identity under wraps in a society that wants to keep her kind under lock and key. Nevermind she's also stuck in Portland, Oregon, a city with only a handful of black folk and even fewer of those with magical powers. At least she has her bestie Effie by her side as they tackle high school drama, family secrets, and unrequited crushes
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Bethany C. Morrow can write whatever she wants but other people can't.

Un fucking believable.



Alexandra Duncan

If this turns out to be a publicity stunt and they know each other I hope both careers are ruined.  Not to be mean but justice seems to have been blown away on the winds.

Guess they never heard of Uncle Tom's Cabin.....talk about a privileged white female author writing about shit she had no clue about........They should get on to canceling  Harriet Beecher Stowe.


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LA PAZ (Reuters) - Bolivia’s government has been rocked by the novel coronavirus, with the president and at least seven of her Cabinet ministers testing positive, straining the interim leadership and casting a shadow over a slated election rerun in under two months.

Conservative caretaker President Jeanine Anez, who is also a candidate in the planned Sept. 6 ballot, tested positive for the virus last week, though she said she was doing well and would continue to work from isolation.

The ministers for economy, foreign affairs, mining, health, hydrocarbons and the presidency are also infected, the most recent confirmed on Tuesday. Others include Senate leader Eva Copa, who has said she was stable, and dozens of junior officials.

“I am afraid to be here, my body trembles because the contagion is circulating everywhere,” Sergio Choque, the leader of the Chamber of Deputies, told lawmakers on Tuesday, adding that he had tested negative, “thank God.”

“I feel sorry for each one of you who are risking your life today and the days before.”

Latin America has become the epicenter for the virus with around a quarter of global cases and deaths despite only having around 8% of the world’s population. Cases and fatalities are still rising fast.

A number of other political leaders in the region, including Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro, Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez and Venezuelan socialist party leader Diosdado Cabello have also tested positive.

In Bolivia, confirmed cases have topped 50,000, with the lowland city of Santa Cruz the hardest hit. The death toll stands near 1,900.

ELECTION DELAYS?
The spread of the virus through Bolivia’s government has rekindled questions about the coming election, a delayed rerun of a fraught poll last year which sparked widespread protests and led to the resignation of long-term leftist leader Evo Morales.

Anez took power in a political vacuum, pledging to hold quick new elections to help calm deadly clashes that had broken out around the country. She later said she would run herself, sparking criticism after she had previously ruled herself out.

The spike in coronavirus cases in Bolivia, a landlocked nation of some 11.5 million people, has overwhelmed some hospitals, sparked protests from medical workers and, in one case in the city of Cochabamba, seen a body left lying in the street.

“We must postpone the elections,” former President and rival candidate Jorge “Tuto” Quiroga said in a video statement, adding that a delay was needed to ensure voter participation and avoid contagion.

Morales’ Movement for Socialism (MAS) party, whose candidate Luis Arce leads in opinion polls, wants the vote to go ahead, while the electoral tribunal has stuck by plans for a September election.

Bolivians themselves had mixed views on election plans.

La Paz resident Alejo Calle said that while people needed to be careful, it was important to take part in the elections and that he’d seen other countries move ahead with votes.

“I do not agree with going to vote in the election because of the pandemic,” said Aracely Quiroz, also from the highland city. “Now it is more dangerous than before, now there are more infections than at the beginning.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-bolivia-politics/virus-spreads-though-bolivias-political-elite-looms-over-election-idUSKCN24G1YT?utm_source=reddit.com

The governor of Oklahoma got it.....probably at that ill-considered Trump rally, although he wants to deny it.

What a putz.

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No, you wanted to paint me as the Buckley in this debate...and that is far from accurate.

I did no painting of anyone.
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Yeah, right. Sure.

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