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Geopolitics / Re: The Specter of Military Defeat
« on: August 20, 2012, 09:49:03 AM »
GO's post on this thread now posted on the DDFB site.

Geopolitics / Re: Ecuador Grants Assange Asylum, Defying UK Threats
« on: August 20, 2012, 09:25:34 AM »
The very stuff of prophecy.

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Geopolitics / Re: Ecuador Grants Assange Asylum, Defying UK Threats
« on: August 20, 2012, 09:03:11 AM »
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Diner Newz & Multimedia / Re: Dirdy Birdy Chronicles
« on: August 20, 2012, 08:51:14 AM »
A lot of work in here, DB!

Geopolitics / Re: The Specter of Military Defeat
« on: August 20, 2012, 08:36:42 AM »
I was totally amazed by this Article Fellow Diners, as it had never occurred to me before how vulnerable we could be.
An Amazing article and highly recommended.         :icon_study:

 I’ve come to think that the single greatest obstacle that stands in the way of a clear understanding of the predicament of our age is the insistence that the past has nothing to teach the present.  You might think that after the recent crescendo of speculative bubbles, the phrase "it’s different this time" would have gotten a well-earned rest, having been worked nearly to death by the promoters of the dot-com and real estate bubbles.

No such luck; those of my readers who follow the comments on these essays will have noted how often that same claim gets used by those who insist the future must obey the fantasies that modern industrial culture demands of it. Progress and apocalypse, business as usual forever or overnight collapse, are the Tweedledee and Tweedledoom of the modern imagination, and the mere fact that history doesn’t work that way is easy enough to brush aside by claiming that modern industrial society is so much more—fill in your preferred adjective here—than any past society, and therefore it’s perfectly justifiable to dismiss history and insert the warmed-over religious myth of your choice in its place. The fact that the identical argument gets used to bolster arguments for both alternatives simply adds to the irony.

I mention this here because the topic we’ll be exploring over the next few weeks tends to draw the insistence that "it’s different this time" the way a dead rat draws flies. I intend to talk about the role of the US military in the downfall of American empire, and the suggestion I propose to offer is that one of the most likely triggers for an American imperial collapse is the experience of dramatic military defeat. I’m not suggesting, furthermore, that such an experience will happen in spite of the immense power of today’s US military machine; I’m suggesting that it will almost certainly happen because of that vast preponderance of force.

I’ve commented before that nothing seems so permanent as an empire on the verge of its final collapse, or as invulnerable as an army on the eve of total defeat. That’s a good general rule, but it’s even more crucial to keep in mind in thinking about military affairs.  The history of war is full of cases in which the stronger side—the side with the largest forces, the strongest alliances, the most advanced military technology—was crushed by a technically weaker rival.  That unexpected outcome can take place in many different ways, but all of them are a function of one simple and rarely remembered fact: military power is never a single uncomplicated variable.

Link to entire article, only a few excerpts above.

Good catch, GO.

We LOVE to think we are immune from the lessons of history. Didn't someone publish "Dow 20,000" about ten minutes ago?

You will enjoy this:

I recently read, but cannot cite, that one of the reasons the roman Empire fell was that income inequality had become so bad, that common citizens could no longer be roused to defend it-- the implication being that the uncertainty barbarian invaders offered was preferable to such government offered by Empire. Food for thought.

" . . . the majority of extant Roman ruins resulted from the economic activities of the top 10 percent. “Yet the disproportionate visibility of this ‘fortunate decile’ must not let us forget the vast but—to us—inconspicuous majority that failed even to begin to share in the moderate amount of economic growth associated with large-scale formation in the ancient Mediterranean and its hinterlands.”

In other words, what we see as the glory of Rome is really just the rubble of the rich, built on the backs of poor farmers and laborers, traces of whom have all but vanished. It’s as though Rome’s 99 percent never existed. Which makes me wonder, what will future civilizations think of us?"

If you would like to review the bidding, as it were, about Assange, Wikileaks, et al, here is a useful summary.
Pretty clear that he is a plolitical prisoner in every sense of the word, for committing an act of journalism.

Assange and Wikileaks: the basics
2012 AUGUST 18
by Ian Welsh


read the actual accusations.  They have been translated into English.  The accusation would not amount to rape in Britain, Canada or the US.  They best wording I can think of is “sexual misconduct”.  They are also, straight up, he said, she said, and rest entirely on credibility.  There are no witnesses to the actual acts other than Assange and the two women (who spoke to each other before going to the police) and no physical evidence.  This is not to say that if Assange did what he is accused of he did not do something wrong.  If.  You don’t know if he did, and neither do I.  Only 3 people do.

Assange has not been charged, he is wanted for questioning.  Sweden is refusing to question him in England.  I note that they have questioned a man accused of murder in another country.

The way the case has been treated is vastly disproportionate to how people wanted for questioning about such a crime are usually treated.

Ecuador said they would hand over Assange under one condition: Sweden promised not to extradite him to the US.  Sweden refused.

Sweden engaged in illegal extraditions on behalf of the US in the past, and handed people over to be tortured.  No one has gone to jail for those crimes.  Since no one was punished, I can’t see why Sweden wouldn’t do it again.  Certainly Assange would be a fool to take the chance, because if he winds up in the US he will be thrown into an isolation cell and treated in a way which amounts to torture.  This isn’t in question, the US has done it in other high profile cases.

Anyone who thinks this is just about sexual misconduct…


As for Assange, his long game is simple.  He will run, in absentia, in the next Australian elections.  He is more than popular enough to be elected.  Once he is an MP, he can’t be touched.

What Assange did, with Wikileaks, was engage in actual journalism.  He was the last attempt to play under the rules of the current, corrupt system.  What Wikileaks did was straight up journalism, no different than the Pentagon papers.  Immediately afterwards, VISA, Mastercard and PayPal shut down all donations to Wikileaks, despite the fact that Wikileaks had been convicted of no crime.  If an individual or organization can be shut out of the modern payments without any legal procedings, then there is no rule of law that matters.  It is impossible to live in the modern world beyond a subsistence level if one is shut out of the electronic payments system.

Now Britain has threatened to storm an embassy.  Be assured that if they are stupid enough to do it, British diplomats WILL die as a result.  Even now, with Britain, the US and Canada saying there is no right to asylum, there will be huge consequences.  The entire asylum system is now threatened, because any nation unhappy with someone being offered Asylum in any of those countries will just say “but you said you don’t believe in asylum.  We’re not letting this person out of the country.”

Britain itself has given asylum to people accused of far, far worse crimes than Assange, and yet they are willing to trash the Asylum system over this?  This isn’t about sexual misconduct.  Anyone who is stupid enough to think that anyone not named Assange would have caused Britain to threaten to violate an embassy is too stupid to be allowed out in public.

Frostbite Falls Newz / Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
« on: August 19, 2012, 05:28:07 AM »
GO, agreed in every particular.

Before DD, I dropped in on TAE every so often to read, but never to post. It was only when Ashvin posted an adaptation and digest of "The Orkin Man" screed that I registered to post, a career cut short by the antics of resident pit bull Ilargi. I dealt with abuse-by-admin at TBP, and life is just too short to play those games.

At least it is for me...

Sometimes I too wonder at the comrades that don't post anymore. You always hope that it isn't something that we said here. More likely, life intervenes. Here's hoping we see more of them in the future.

From the inception, I have felt that there was something special about this site. It started with the magnificent architecture created by Peter, who created a virtual Versailles for a handful of refugees from the old Yahoo Reverse Engineering board to inhabit. Informed by the wit and fulsomeness of The Proprietor, many others have shown up from TAE, EU and other boards. And perhaps a few will find it via the FB site as well. But I find a range of subject matter here, and an intelligence and thoughtfulness among the postings, and comments, that is evident in few other sites.

Ultimately we are called to be true to ourselves. A first rate Diner is preferable to me than any other virtual community I have found.

Geopolitics / Re: The Official Gestapo Violence Thread
« on: August 18, 2012, 05:14:00 AM »
The "mental" brand is the old soviet MO. Now with all those mind destroying drugs out there, they can make anyone into a basket case so they don't even need to put them away in an institution for years.

Yes, the Soviet Union of Solzhenitsyn has come home. A couple of years ago, when they added "Oppositional Defiance Disorder" to the list of diagnosed "mental illnesses," I wondered how long it would take.

Not long.

Geopolitics / Re: The Official Gestapo Violence Thread/Brandon Raub
« on: August 17, 2012, 02:27:41 PM »
What else should we expect? This bears watching.
Videos embedded at the link below. I don't have time to re-embed them.

DTOM Contributor Brandon Raub Arrested By FBI For Facebook Posts
By Silver Shield, on August 17th, 2012

I just got word that apparently one of the contributors on this site has been arrested/detained over Facebook posts.  The Police, FBI and Secret Service swarmed in and took Brandon Raub to John Randolph Metal Hospital.   This patriotic Marine had posted 5 posts on the Dont-Tread-On.Me blog linked below.  Just glancing over them they seem to be of the religious and patriotic fight for truth and justice.  He used the blog to have people join his FaceBook group and even did and promoted a Richmond Liberty March.

I looked through my email to see if there was any emails between the two of us and I did not find any, although I am sure there was as I would not have given him access to post on the blog if I did not.

There are a couple of lessons I want everyone to know form what little information we have from this incident.

1. Delete Facebook. I did a video for The Greatest Truth Never Told series called Delete Facebook giving a non conspiracy reason why people should quit FaceBook as it is destroying our lives. Now you should all see the conspiracy reason why you should Delete Facebook.  This incident proves that it is just a huge monitoring tool for the Elite to track and build a profile of you.  You give willingly the details of your political leaning, friends, interests.  The hidden influence of the CIA  through In-Q-Tel is becoming more and more visible.

2. This is designed to create a chilling effect to people speaking out and more importantly to keep sheeple from look at us for the Truth.  I stated in the 3 Coming False Flags that the Elite would eventually criminalize or restrict our freedom of speech of the Freedom Movement.  The Elite know the economic collapse is going to bring about the Anger Phase of the Awakening.  They are actively preparing for riots and civil war. The thing that I find amazing is that these .gov people don’t ask why they are preparing for Civil War?  What could make people so mad to want to go to war?  Well since the Elite know the collapse of the dollar is coming they are conditioning their minions for that collapse.  What these people should realize is that their paychecks are going to bounce and their entire life’ savings are going to be robbed.

3. Non violent, non compliance is a smart and effective strategy.  Walking away from the paradigm is the best way of resisting the paradigm.  Anyone physically pushing back will be taken down as it is of the same consciousness of those that are spreading debt and death throughout the world.   Go peacefully if you are arrested, but question them on why and for what reason.  You ask the questions and you should give no answers.  You still have the right to keep quiet and ask for a lawyer.  Unless you are really good under pressure I would suggest you just say nothing accept for asking for your lawyer.  Also family members need to shut their mouths too as they immediately go after their friends and family in phone interviews.

4. Video tape everything you can.  If you are confronted record every aspect not only to protect yourself, your rights and keep the story straight but also for a future law suit. You have every right to record every confrontation, I would be discreet about it because you don’t want an officer break the law and take your evidence.  This is also very important to help keep your narrative straight as you will be told a lot of lies along the way.

5. Apparently questioning the government is a mental condition.  Brandon was immediately brought to John Randolph Mental Hospital.  The use of psychology was very common to political tool the Soviets and the Nazis to silence political opposition.  Look at what Vladimir Putin is doing in Russia.

6. You get more flak the closer you get to the target. We must be coming very close to the collapse date with all of the things that are going on.  I recommend that people stock up on food and gear and get ready to ride out the storm.

 I hope to get more details as they develop and eventually I hope to thoroughly de-brief  Brandon as soon as he can.

The Kitchen Sink / Re: Welcome!
« on: August 17, 2012, 02:23:55 PM »

Greetings to new members exiniaZen, Maximusdyery, arnold97, and sidneydvksh, all of whom have taken leave of their senses and chosen to join us.

Enjoy your stay. While cruising the buffet, don’t forget to try the Doom.

The beginning stages of the global Elite’s visions for “robots to hunt down humans like a pack of dogs” are becoming a reality.


I'm a bit suspicious of Susanne Posel. Everything I've read from her seems to exemplify paranoia. I don't expect humanoid robots doing the work of humans by 2014, though I suppose if they can keep this ridiculous, tottering industrial scheme running without collapse, indefinitely, then maybe someday. The thing is, such a robot would be an ASTOUNDINGLY complex piece of machinery, even compared to contemporary standards. It's one thing to have such a complex thing sitting inert in a climate controlled building somewhere (computer), it is another for it to be mobile, in a war zone or on-site in a catastrophe, moving debris, etc. I'm not even sure our modern conception of engineering is even CAPABLE of building such a thing, much less in volume. Even if they do, with so many working parts, I don't see it working very well, or for very long without breaking down. Suffice to say, I don't worry about being chased down like a dog, by a robot in my lifetime, even if I live another few decades. I worry more about men who think like robots.

WHD, I would ordinarily agree. But then a couple years ago I saw a video of a DARPA project, a beastlike robot running through the woods, on an unlevel field, maintaining its balance and pursuing an object. The video below is updated 2010.

Remember, there is the science that we know, and that which is part of the black budget and off limits to us hoopleheads.

Not every conspiracy needs a theory.

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Economics / Re: Iceland Was Right, We Were Wrong: The IMF
« on: August 17, 2012, 12:33:47 PM »
Must read, if you already haven't: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is a book written by John Perkins and published in 2004. It provides Perkins' account of his career with consulting firm Chas. T. Main in Boston. Before employment with the firm, Perkins interviewed for a job with the NSA. Perkins claims that this interview effectively constituted an independent screening which led to his subsequent hiring to become a self-described "economic hit man".

Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly-paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development  (USAID), and other foreign "aid" organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet's natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization.

To toss another few branches on the already burning fire...

 . . . and who will be willing to bet that these robots will be programed to obey Asimov's Laws?

Synthetic Police Are Coming: DARPA Engineering Autonomous Robots
Susanne Posel, Contributor
Activist Post

Because of the risks involved to rescue aid workers and human response teams, DARPA awarded Boston Dynamics, Inc. a $10.9 million contract to manufacture humanoid robots that are bi-pedal, built like humans and have a sensor head with on-board computing capabilities. Completion of the project is expected for August of 2014.

These robots are being created to assist in excavation and rescue missions, according to DARPA. They could also be employed to evacuation operations during either man-made or natural disasters.

Kent Massey, director of advanced programs for HDT Robotics, who attended the DARPA meeting in which the purpose of the allocation of humanoid robotic technology was explained, said:

    The goal of this Grand Challenge is to create a humanoid robot that can operate in an environment built for people and use tools made for people. The specific challenge is built around an industrial disaster response.

Another of DARPA’s interests into robotics is the Avatar for the allocation of bi-pedal robots and essential super-soldiers and has devoted $7 million of its $2.8 billion 2012 budget to developing “interfaces and algorithms to enable a soldier to effectively partner with a semi-autonomous bi-pedal machine and allow it to act as the soldier’s surrogate.”

These human-controlled robots will be strong enough to “clear a room” and “facilitate sentry control and combat causality recovery.” Yet these “terminators” would easily be the most effective weapon against civil unrest or radical revolutionaries that did not subscribe to the globalist agenda.

Stanford University’s Aerospace Robotics Laboratory (ARL) wants to introduce autonomous robots into law enforcement situations; such as response in lieu of police SWAT teams.

In high-risk tactical situations, autonomous robots could replace trained personnel without threat of injury or loss of life. Under the direction of a tactical commander, those robots could be released to provide safe and secure assurance of mission completion. Possible voice recognition software could be used to allow the commander to direct the robot, convey commands, and gather information about the environment before deploying human law enforcement.

Autonomous robots, equipped with Taser guns have already been sold to police departments across the nation. iRobot of Massachusetts manufactures PackBot who carries lethal weapons. While these robots were first introduced as assistance in military missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, they have found their way into local police departments.

The Naval Research Laboratory interests SAFFiR, the Shipboard Autonomous Firefighting Robot. SAFFiR is an autonomous bipedal humanoid robot, based on the CHARLI-L1 robot created at Virginia Tech.

This robot can interact with humans with a comprehensive response system that utilizes language – including slang to make it more familiar.

A robot that can hold a conversation and fight fires is quite impressive.

In 2008, the Pentagon solicited for the advancement of Multi-Robot Pursuit System technology which is the development of a team of robots to search for and detect human presence in an indoor environment.

These robots, although only semi-autonomous, have been theorized from the gaming community arising out of first-person shooting games. A team of robots could be under the direction of one human operator. The purpose of this robotic technology would be to seek out and detect non-cooperative human subjects.

The beginning stages of the global Elite’s visions for “robots to hunt down humans like a pack of dogs” are becoming a reality. These robots will be armed and autonomous. Their cranium sensors will be able to “detect human breath and the radio waves associated with a human heart beat.”

A force of robotic “peacekeepers” that are programed to become violent without remorse – will enable the government to organize and act where human law enforcement may hesitate. What if?

Economics / Re: Who Destroyed the Middle Class
« on: August 17, 2012, 10:35:21 AM »
Piling on.
How Our Tax Dollars Subsidize Exorbitant Executive Pay

By Sarah Anderson, Chuck Collins, Scott Klinger and Sam Pizzigati, Institute for Policy Studies
17 August 12


Nationwide, budget cuts have axed 627,000 public service jobs just since June 2009. Schools, health clinics, fire stations, parks, and recreation facilities-virtually no public service has gone unsqueezed. Tax dollars haven't seemed this scarce in generations.

Yet tens of billions of these scarce tax dollars are getting diverted. These tax dollars are flowing from average Americans who depend on public services to the kingpins of America's private sector. They're subsidizing, directly and indirectly, the mega-million paychecks that go to the top executives at our nation's biggest banks and corporations.

Exorbitant CEO pay packages have, of course, been outraging Americans for quite some time now. Every new annual CEO pay report seems to bring a rash of predictably angry editorials and calls for reform. But little overall has changed. Wages for average Americans continue to stagnate. Pay for top executives continues to soar.

One key reason why: Our nation's tax code has become a powerful enabler of bloated CEO pay. Some tax rules on the books today essentially encourage corporations to compensate their executives at unconscionably higher multiples of what their average workers are paid.

Other rules let executives who run major corporations routinely reduce their corporate tax bills. The fewer dollars these corporations pay in taxes, the more robust their eventual earnings and the higher the "performance-based" pay for the CEOs who produce them.

In effect, we're rewarding corporate executives for gaming the tax system. Our tax code is helping the CEOs of our nation's most prosperous corporations pick Uncle Sam's pocket.

In this latest Institute for Policy Studies Executive Excess annual report, our 19th consecutive, we take a close look at the most lucrative tax incentives and subsidies behind bloated CEO pay and highlight those executives who have reaped the highest rewards from tax code provisions that actively encourage outrageously disproportionate executive pay.

We also identify the top executives who have benefited the most from what have become known as "the Bush tax cuts"-the reductions in federal income tax rates on top-bracket, capital gains, and dividend income enacted in 2001 and 2003.

Among our findings:

    * Of last year's 100 highest-paid U.S. corporate chief executives, 26 took home more in CEO pay than their companies paid in federal income taxes, up from the 25 we noted in last year's analysis. Seven firms made the list in both 2011 and 2010.

    * The CEOs of these 26 firms received $20.4 million in average total compensation last year. That's a 23 percent increase over the average for last year's list of 2010's tax dodging executives

    * The four most direct tax subsidies for excessive executive pay cost taxpayers an estimated $14.4 billion per year-$46 for every American man, woman, and child. That amount could also cover the annual cost of hiring 211,732 elementary-school teachers or creating 241,593 clean-energy jobs.

    * CEOs have benefited enormously from the Bush tax cuts for upper-income taxpayers. Last year, 57 CEOs saved more than $1 million on their personal income tax bills, thanks to these Bush-era cuts.

What can be done to end today's incredibly gross pay divide between top executives and average workers? In this year's Executive Excess, we once again survey a wide range of reform notions with a "scorecard" that notes those reforms that have already been enacted, those still pending before Congress, and those proposals not yet before Congress that we believe hold the most CEO pay-deflating promise.

I'm in love.

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