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Geopolitics / Re: Is American Justice Dead?
« on: January 12, 2013, 02:16:01 AM »
All of the above observations have merit. In the particular reference to Stucky's comment above, I would suggest that we not also forget the profit motive as an effective means of debasing the justice system. Or, more to the point, helping to midwife the creation of a dual track justice system, one for the proles and one for TPTB. The private prison system helps make a mockery of justice, and was never forget that involuntary servitude is still legal in this country if one is imprisoned.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-pentagon-and-slave-labor-in-u-s-prisons/25376

Prisoners earning 23 cents an hour in U.S. federal prisons are manufacturing high-tech electronic components for Patriot Advanced Capability 3 missiles, launchers for TOW (Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided) anti-tank missiles, and other guided missile systems. A March article by journalist and financial researcher Justin Rohrlich of World in Review is worth a closer look at the full implications of this ominous development. (minyanville.com)

The expanding use of prison industries, which pay slave wages, as a way to increase profits for giant military corporations, is a frontal attack on the rights of all workers.

Prison labor — with no union protection, overtime pay, vacation days, pensions, benefits, health and safety protection, or Social Security withholding — also makes complex components for McDonnell Douglas/Boeing’s F-15 fighter aircraft, the General Dynamics/Lockheed Martin F-16, and Bell/Textron’s Cobra helicopter. Prison labor produces night-vision goggles, body armor, camouflage uniforms, radio and communication devices, and lighting systems and components for 30-mm to 300-mm battleship anti-aircraft guns, along with land mine sweepers and electro-optical equipment for the BAE Systems Bradley Fighting Vehicle’s laser rangefinder. Prisoners recycle toxic electronic equipment and overhaul military vehicles.

Labor in federal prisons is contracted out by UNICOR, previously known as Federal Prison Industries, a quasi-public, for-profit corporation run by the Bureau of Prisons. In 14 prison factories, more than 3,000 prisoners manufacture electronic equipment for land, sea and airborne communication. UNICOR is now the U.S. government’s 39th largest contractor, with 110 factories at 79 federal penitentiaries.

The majority of UNICOR’s products and services are on contract to orders from the Department of Defense. Giant multinational corporations purchase parts assembled at some of the lowest labor rates in the world, then resell the finished weapons components at the highest rates of profit. For example, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon Corporation subcontract components, then assemble and sell advanced weapons systems to the Pentagon.

Increased profits, unhealthy workplaces

However, the Pentagon is not the only buyer. U.S. corporations are the world’s largest arms dealers, while weapons and aircraft are the largest U.S. export. The U.S. State Department, Department of Defense and diplomats pressure NATO members and dependent countries around the world into multibillion-dollar weapons purchases that generate further corporate profits, often leaving many countries mired in enormous debt.

But the fact that the capitalist state has found yet another way to drastically undercut union workers’ wages and ensure still higher profits to military corporations — whose weapons wreak such havoc around the world — is an ominous development.

According to CNN Money, the U.S. highly skilled and well-paid “aerospace workforce has shrunk by 40 percent in the past 20 years. Like many other industries, the defense sector has been quietly outsourcing production (and jobs) to cheaper labor markets overseas.” (Feb. 24) It seems that with prison labor, these jobs are also being outsourced domestically.

Meanwhile, dividends and options to a handful of top stockholders and CEO compensation packages at top military corporations exceed the total payment of wages to the more than 23,000 imprisoned workers who produce UNICOR parts.

The prison work is often dangerous, toxic and unprotected. At FCC Victorville, a federal prison located at an old U.S. airbase, prisoners clean, overhaul and reassemble tanks and military vehicles returned from combat and coated in toxic spent ammunition, depleted uranium dust and chemicals.

A federal lawsuit by prisoners, food service workers and family members at FCI Marianna, a minimum security women’s prison in Florida, cited that toxic dust containing lead, cadmium, mercury and arsenic poisoned those who worked at UNICOR’s computer and electronic recycling factory.

Prisoners there worked covered in dust, without safety equipment, protective gear, air filtration or masks. The suit explained that the toxic dust caused severe damage to nervous and reproductive systems, lung damage, bone disease, kidney failure, blood clots, cancers, anxiety, headaches, fatigue, memory lapses, skin lesions, and circulatory and respiratory problems. This is one of eight federal prison recycling facilities — employing 1,200 prisoners — run by UNICOR.

After years of complaints the Justice Department’s Office of the Inspector General and the Federal Occupational Health Service concurred in October 2008 that UNICOR has jeopardized the lives and safety of untold numbers of prisoners and staff. (Prison Legal News, Feb. 17, 2009)

it goes on...

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: DD Growth Milestones
« on: January 11, 2013, 04:02:41 PM »
And if you're scoring at home, the Diner Facebook page now has over 100 likes as well. Hopefully, some of those unfortunates are finding their way over here, after following links to blog posts and such.

I certainly agree it will be interesting to see what happens if we get big enough to create an annoyance for TPTB.

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Golden Oxen Newz / Re: Gold & Silver News
« on: January 11, 2013, 03:46:33 PM »
Thanks for your input Surly,

After reviewing your comment carefully, my original opinion and statement remain the same. I have a suspicion we are unwittingly talking about two different topics which appear to be the same. Probably due to my inability to state my case properly.

Or perhaps, my inability to read for comprehension on a damn mobile phone screen. In any event, the depredation is not the gold's fault; Rather, the fault of men and their greed.

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Golden Oxen Newz / Re: Gold & Silver News
« on: January 11, 2013, 10:12:19 AM »
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I didn't Nobody, I said his blaming the slaughter of the Inca's on gold was a bankster gold bad mouthing tactic. If they held anything the Spanish thought was of value they would have plundered and taken it away. Gold is a metal found in nature like iron or copper or anything else for that matter. It is folly to blame the slaughter of people on an object. People kill people. l

Gee, Ox, people kill people. For gold.

Ever read Prescott's "History of the Conquest of Mexico and the conquest of Peru?" Took me the better part of the year, because I needed a dictionary to help translate some of these Spanish quotations, which are extensive. The Spanish were bloodthirsty in a noteworthy way. Cortes and his army and his treatment of Montezuma was one thing; in Peru, Pizarro obliged the Incas to fill a room from floor to ceiling with golden objects. The Spanish displayed the same sort of Contempt for the heathen pagans they encounter that Medieval Christians always displayed to such pagans.

Such is the work of armies marching in the name of the Prince of Peace.

They took silver too, but it was mostly about gold. And such gold as made it back to Spain was squandered in useless, utterly futile wars fought in defense of the vanity of the Spanish crown.

All that glitters, et cetera.

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For myself, the Lonesome Aging Hermit in Alaska

You could always consider re-joining society, in order to become less lonesome.
It is great for psychological health, not to mention physical health. It might even
mitigate depression sufficiently to bring you (partially) out of doomerism.

And Where would the fun in that be?

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: A modest proposal...
« on: January 07, 2013, 12:59:13 PM »
Works for me.

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The Kitchen Sink / A modest proposal...
« on: January 07, 2013, 12:10:30 PM »
Once again traveling, reduced to  phone. But just read this and wanted to share this idea. From the guy who assembles "The Weekly Sift:"

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OK, cable news networks, here's the political infotainment I really want to see: Pundit Wars. A politically diverse collection of pundits each starts with a stake of, say, $10,000. Each week the host presents a list of things that might or might not happen in near future, and each pundit quotes a likelihood. ("I think there's a 30% chance we won't get a debt-ceiling deal in time to prevent the government shutting down.") Having all announced their numbers, they are then free to make bets with each other, quoting odds if necessary. ("I'll give you 2-1 odds that we do get a debt-ceiling deal.") If nobody takes initiative, the host may suggest some bets. ("You two have radically different expectations for a debt-ceiling deal. Why don't you each put some money behind it?") Then next week we see how everybody's bets are doing.

Each week, we'll see who really believes their own rhetoric. (If you're just trying to get attention with your predictions, like Dick Morris with his "Romney landslide" nonsense, it'll be obvious once the betting phase starts.) And over the course of a season, we'll see who really knows what they're talking about.

It's kind of a reality-TV version of intrade.

An idea whose time has come

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Economics / Re: The Official Student Loan Debt Slavery Thread
« on: January 06, 2013, 12:29:34 PM »
In keeping with trying to catch up on what's been going on, I read your recent article with interest. I have to ask, what changes in student loans laws has actually occurred? When last I bothered to look into this, student loans were not dischargeable, even in bankruptcy. I recall even reading about how one particular bank had hounded the parents of the dead student for the balance of outstanding loan. Bastards. Has some specific legislation occurred to enable the freewheeling cash flow bonanza that you describe in your post?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Surly, see reply #11 in this thread.

Still playing catchup. Got it now. Whouda thunk it?
Amazing.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: The Turn of the Screw
« on: January 06, 2013, 12:14:14 PM »
These couple of stories really underline how indistinguishable banks and the government are from the Mafia. No notice, no due process, nada. They just take your shit.

Reminds me of how many popos will run end of month quota-meeting speed traps, although those look noble by comparison.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: The Turn of the Screw
« on: January 06, 2013, 12:01:24 PM »
[quote author=WHD link=topic=1132.msg14444#msg14444

This year, I received a letter from the State of MN saying I owe them $300, because they say I made $12,000 in 2008 rather than the $9000 I apparently reported. A small thing, but I assume if it is happening to me, it is happening to many. Going back in time to fleece the poor, like I said in my last post. Anything apparently, not to hold our elite accountable.

Or that $150 the city charged me to clip some flowers that had fallen onto the sidewalk....

I feel like I'm missing something  :icon_scratch:
[/quote]

Pretty clear you're not missing a fucking thing.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: The Turn of the Screw
« on: January 06, 2013, 08:43:05 AM »
Try this:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/7zQkjXj5DX8&fs=1" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/7zQkjXj5DX8&fs=1</a>

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Economics / Re: The Official Student Loan Debt Slavery Thread
« on: January 06, 2013, 06:00:44 AM »
In keeping with trying to catch up on what's been going on, I read your recent article with interest. I have to ask, what changes in student loans laws has actually occurred? When last I bothered to look into this, student loans were not dischargeable, even in bankruptcy. I recall even reading about how one particular bank had hounded the parents of the dead student for the balance of outstanding loan. Bastards. Has some specific legislation occurred to enable the freewheeling cash flow bonanza that you describe in your post?

Inquiring minds want to know. 

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Spirituality & Mysticism / Re: What the Fuck is This?
« on: January 04, 2013, 08:10:06 AM »
This is just a remarkable piece of writing! How richly imagined and embraced, how viscerally experienced!
And for my money, this-

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Materiality is the present idol of our manifestation; it guards Entry and Egress; it decrees: "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me." And we don't.

Creek and Ainu philosophers, Australian Aboriginal elders, Tibetan shamans, and the Aegean cosmologists understood (and still understand) the engine better than do most citizens of modernity -- and that includes sophisticated particle physicists. They understood it in the moment and bowed to its omneity: a light arising from darkness, a wind from stillness.

Is all the truth we need, in all humility.

Great find and great share. Tnx.

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Spirituality & Mysticism / Re: Rock of Ages or Age of Rocks?
« on: January 04, 2013, 06:39:09 AM »
Reanteben

You said you achieved great results with anatabine.  Can you be more specific?  For example, is your nutsack becoming less wrinkled or wrinkling at a slower pace?  BTW, either is a nice result. Nothing would be better than my body dying at 80, but my nutsack living to 900.   Maybe in 500 years they can reconstitute the Little Stucky’s in said nutsack back into a full blown human.

Jesus, Stuck, I just blew coffee out of my nose!!!

Surly1

Thanks! I believe “Fuckity-fuck-fuck-fuck!" was coined by Hope@ZeroKelvin on TBP. At least that’s where I first read it several years ago.

You know, you are probably right. Your memory probably better than mine, and you now have the anatabine-assisted benefit of a nutsack smooth as a baby's ass.

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Spirituality & Mysticism / Re: Rock of Ages or Age of Rocks?
« on: January 03, 2013, 01:00:13 PM »
I would suggest you anoint yourself, "capo di tutti capi" and leave it at that.

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