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Golden Oxen Newz / Bugout Machines: The #1 Big Prep for the Doomer
« Last post by RE on Today at 04:13:28 AM »

A bugout vehicle for you is a total waste, imho. If I were to bug out I'd want to go where you are now. You're already there, and well set up. Congratulations.

Spend the bug-out vehicle money on row crop implements for your excellent tractor. You can make bank plowing gardens when nobody else has fuel.
Trailer= recreation and forest fire hedge... for the rest yes I'm deeply rooted in my corner of paradise.

I couldn't disagree more with Eddie on this one.  A decent bugout machine is an essential and probably the first thing you should own outright if you are prepping up.  Particularly if you are setting up shop in a remote area like DB or C5.

DB has the ever present danger of Wildfires which can wipe out his entire Doomstead in under a day.  C5 has climate problems which could make his Doomstead unlivable over a matter of one or two seasons of drought and failed crops.  DB has a large investment in tools and hardware allowing him to set up shop most anywhere, same with C5.  DB also has two young kids he has to keep safe and warm and sheltered in the event he has to GTFO of Dodge in a hurry.  Does he want to bring them to a public shelter to live until he can rebuild?

A Bugout Machine doesn't have to be a fancy upscale RV like we are renting for the Last Great Bucket List trip here on the Last Great Frontier, in fact that is exactly the WRONG type of vehicle to own.  It's not flexible and adaptable enough, not to mention too expensive.

What is right for these guys would be a solid Pickup Truck which they need anyhow to do work around the current Doomstead and an Enclosed Cargo or Horse Trailer which can also be used for moving around produce or livestock to market.  Despite your protestations to the contrary, a good used pickup truck can be had in most markets for $5000.  A good used cargo trailer, $2000.  I would go for a rig like this in that situation:


A little older of course, this setup probably runs you $20K on the used market.

You set up the innards with folding beds that go up against the walls and over the 5th wheel, a small wood burning stove (well vented of course), and then everything else goes in pvc cargo containers you can load in a hurry if Doom arrives at your doorstep in the middle of the night from a knock on the door from the local firefighters first on the scene telling you to GTFO of Dodge NOW!


That is real, tangible insurance, bought for $7000.  What does $7000 buy you in Gold in term of insurance?  That would be 6 of these paperweights:


Is that going to shelter your children?  Is that going to help you save your most valuable tools and preps?  Is that going to help you set up shop in a new neighborhood?  If C5 has to GTFO of Nova Scotia and move somewhere with cooler temps to drive fence posts into the ground and a whole lot more water like Alaska and legal recreational marijuana sales and growing, will those 6 coins get him and his tools and Mrs. C5 across the Trans-Canada highway and the Al-Can?  One of them might buy him some gas along the way, not a bad prep there but I still would keep more money in paper Loonies than Gold until the monetary system has gone completely blooey, and that appears still a ways off.

The Bugout Machine is the #1 Big Prep for the Doomer.  It's a relatively low budget item even a millenial working as a Starbucks Barrista can afford after a year living in mom's basement if he watches his pennies.  Then you can look at a patch of raw land somewhere with few to zero building codes to deal with to set up shop at say $3000/acre.  Then you can start building a more permanent Doomstead on the location, with the tools you SAVED with your bugout machine when Collapse came visiting your last neighborhood.  Mom will be mighty glad she gave you free rent for a year while you saved up for it as the McMansion burns to the ground.  They won't make fun of you as a Doomer at the Dinner table any more after that.

RE
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Golden Oxen Newz / Re: Gold & Silver News
« Last post by Golden Oxen on Today at 04:09:08 AM »
I'm really enjoying reading about other doomer's financial strategies. GO is way out of my league. Eddie is way more ambitious then me. RE probably where I would be if I had no responsibilities. I won't comment on the rest since I do not understand their situations. One thing I have noticed in my age bracket or a bit younger among my greenies or light doomer friends is the tendency to concentrate on the skills and tools of doom to the detriment of the BAU finances. I tear my hair out as I see a maturing food forest and good prepping skills but large mortgage debt barely being picked at. I have long believed that stage one is a financial squeeze not a collapse. I fear for my friends still loaded with debt on a first house let alone a third. I believe they will be crushed by phase one. In the spirit of openness; My wife and I chose this area due to its low cost of living decent isolation and access to income potential (cottagers). We bought our land outright mostly from my squirrelled away money from my apprenticed years. We built the house shell on left over savings, lines of credit and introductory credit card rates... We moved into the shell as soon as the roof was on and the walls sealed. I took a job with a contractor just long enough to qualify for a mortgage then started out on my own. We finished the house as we could. Crazy busy kidless years ensued. Construction is very hard work but it can be rewarding. At this point barring financial disaster I'm set. I have to keep working but the unstoppable wobbles of life should not sink me. I'll never be rich but I don't live that high on the hog anyways.  I never expected to be the one still standing so the last year has been a little confusing. I've mentioned it before but my wife passed away last year.  This was the first year in 12 I actually worked for someone so I had to sock away a fair bit of money in an RSP to avoid tax. That never happened to me when I was self employed! How does this relate to gold?  This is where I don't know enough. I see gold as a currency for buying things when times are hard. Am I wrong? Concentrated portable wealth. So here is what I don't get; if everything I would need to buy is small like tools or grain or parts do I need gold? Yes its portable but its just too concentrated for us working folk no? I keep some cash and oddly enough have a few pounds of silver due to a coin collecting wife but short of that its all tools, skills, preps, land and equipment for wealth storage. So you gold bugs out there should I have a very modest gold position at my stage of the game?
curious to see any responses.
Cheers,  David

Hi David, Yes to your question and emphatically. Have a some gold.

My brain has gone tilt after reading everyone's comments on the gold thread of the last 24 hours.

So much misconception, false notions, and off the wall ideas that I feel my years of work here have been a total failure.

In your case I am going to be as concise as possible, hit you with a few simple facts and arrive at your own conclusion. You strike me as a person who does not want to be bothered with ridiculous statistics, baseless conjecture and dreamed up situations in a future fantasy world.

In 1970 a group of Banksters told President Nixon that they could no longer print money and play the con game of inflation because the gold price could no longer be contained. General De Gaulle had explained to the French they were going to get dicked, and real good, by the US who would renege on it's promise to give gold for dollars on request. He was correct.

President Nixon appeared on nation and world wide TV, severed the dollar from Gold completely, and reneged on on the US promise to give Gold in exchange for Dollars at 35 dollars per oz.

It is July 23, 2018, close to 50 years since that historic day in Financial history.

There has been no Doomsday. The world has not ended. On the contrary we have witnessed the greatest economic boom in History. Undreamed of technological advances, medical advances, shorter work hours, great amounts of leisure time and travel. You live in the same world as I do David so there is no need to continue explaining the overall prosperity many have enjoyed.

What's the point GO??? What the fuck are you saying to me?

There are two other very significant events that happened throughout that period of great prosperity David, of No great panics. No World Wars. No Doomsday. No total breakdown of law and order. No Grid Collapse. No Hyperinflation. No Plagues. Etc. Etc. Etc. 

Gold in Dollar terms went from 35 to 1900 and resides at 1230.39 as I write and the Dollar has lost well over 90% of it's purchasing power.

Hope I've said enough and answered your question David.


                                       


                                       
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Geopolitics / Re: Trumpty-Dumpty POTUS Thread
« Last post by Surly1 on Today at 03:54:36 AM »
This stormy in a e cup over routine diplomacy is a masterstroke in getting a lot of support for ww3. Lets specify what the behavior toward Russia needing explaining is.

1. Ratcheting up sanctions on Russia.
2. Stepping up troop buildups on their border.
3. Expanding military spending against Russia.
4. Demanding Europe double its spending on weapons against Russia.
5. Trying to force Europe to buy US instead of Russian gas.
6. Meeting with a counterpart the same way Roosevelt met with Stalin, etc.

You would think he had handed them the big red button to dare press, or had satanist banter amid state secrets on a hotmail account on a home server for them to peruse. Th only thing he seems pissed off  about Obama doing with Russia is getting secretly recorded promising he would be more flexible with them after the election and wee have nothing but a rumour about "the" pee pee tapes. Credit where its due, he has taken two possibly positive de-escalation steps after about a hundred backward ones.

I propose  Trump Free Thursday & Trump Free Friday , a two day vacation where we See no Trump, Hear No Trump, Read no Trump, Speak no Trump and Do no Trump. Not unless Im getting the going rate of about 150k per playbunny to talk about it, or not to talk about it.

https://splinternews.com/another-former-playboy-playmate-says-she-had-a-torrid-l-1825303209

To say that we have"nothing but a rumor about the pee-pee tapes" is to be either colossally ignorant about the Mueller investigation or about American domestic news. This is the fervent belief of people who insist upon not paying attention to the evidence adduced in the public sphere. Or Trump apologists.

You'll get "Trump-free Thursday" only when Trump stops tweeting to change the news cycle and move the spotlight from his serial trail of crimes, malfeasances, and emoluments violations.
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Surly Newz / Re: Doomstead Diner Daily July 22
« Last post by Surly1 on Today at 03:49:45 AM »

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Surly Newz / Re: WHEN THE END OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION IS YOUR DAY JOB
« Last post by Golden Oxen on Today at 03:08:38 AM »
Lets not get "Highly" distracted. I'm not back. Just chiming in. I'm not motivated to write in the slightest at the moment.

Participating on the forum inside the Diner isn't "writing".  It's chewing the fat with your fellow Kollapsniks.  It's the cyber version of the nightly campfire where all the hard working sweaty guys sit around and drink beer, smoke ganja, tell tall tales and get in periodic fistfights to break the monotony.

RE

For some of us but not all. Speaking for myself, no drugs whatsoever and sober and working 98 % of the time when at the forum.
Also not allowed to fight back.
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Surly Newz / Re: WHEN THE END OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION IS YOUR DAY JOB
« Last post by RE on Today at 02:23:56 AM »
Lets not get "Highly" distracted. I'm not back. Just chiming in. I'm not motivated to write in the slightest at the moment.

Participating on the forum inside the Diner isn't "writing".  It's chewing the fat with your fellow Kollapsniks.  It's the cyber version of the nightly campfire where all the hard working sweaty guys sit around and drink beer, smoke ganja, tell tall tales and get in periodic fistfights to break the monotony.

RE
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Geopolitics / Re: Trumpty-Dumpty POTUS Thread
« Last post by Agent Graves on July 22, 2018, 11:08:18 PM »
This stormy in a e cup over routine diplomacy is a masterstroke in getting a lot of support for ww3. Lets specify what the behavior toward Russia needing explaining is.

1. Ratcheting up sanctions on Russia.
2. Stepping up troop buildups on their border.
3. Expanding military spending against Russia.
4. Demanding Europe double its spending on weapons against Russia.
5. Trying to force Europe to buy US instead of Russian gas.
6. Meeting with a counterpart the same way Roosevelt met with Stalin, etc.

You would think he had handed them the big red button to dare press, or had satanist banter amid state secrets on a hotmail account on a home server for them to peruse. Th only thing he seems pissed off  about Obama doing with Russia is getting secretly recorded promising he would be more flexible with them after the election and wee have nothing but a rumour about "the" pee pee tapes. Credit where its due, he has taken two possibly positive de-escalation steps after about a hundred backward ones.

I propose  Trump Free Thursday & Trump Free Friday , a two day vacation where we See no Trump, Hear No Trump, Read no Trump, Speak no Trump and Do no Trump. Not unless Im getting the going rate of about 150k per playbunny to talk about it, or not to talk about it.

https://splinternews.com/another-former-playboy-playmate-says-she-had-a-torrid-l-1825303209
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Surly Newz / Re: WHEN THE END OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION IS YOUR DAY JOB
« Last post by cernunnos5 on July 22, 2018, 09:15:33 PM »
A few years back, we watched Alberta and BC burn. This year we watch Ontario. Its all part or Hurricane Harvey, Part II. Up and over.


Good night folks
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Surly Newz / Re: WHEN THE END OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION IS YOUR DAY JOB
« Last post by David B. on July 22, 2018, 08:32:34 PM »
Lets not get "Highly" distracted. I'm not back. Just chiming in. I'm not motivated to write in the slightest at the moment. Burned myself out some. Just pointing out,"Hemp". A oiled source of high protein that grows like a weed and stores through a winter. Fuck eating god awful dandelions.

STORABLE PROTEIN. non embarrassed all caps. Collapse survival food.

Yup. So far, it defiantly grows like a weed. Potential cover crop that MAY choke out other weeds.

So, lets not get "Highly" distracted. About 70 people died in Quebec during the heat. Fire is hitting Ontario...

... and I am strategizing about running lights to the garden to work it at night.

Climate change. Its Real. Its happening faster and faster. Its lethal.

Put that in your bowl and smoke it.
I've heard its a heavy feeder. what else will you rotate with? be interesting to see  your results...   As to distractions... Pembroke, Northbay and Parry sound are all 2 hours from my house. All 3 have out of control 2000HA plus fires going on. Its my first website of the morning...   
http://www.gisapplication.lrc.gov.on.ca/ForestFireInformationMap/Index.html?site=AFFES_ONLine&viewer=AFFES_ONLINE&locale=en-US
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Surly Newz / Re: WHEN THE END OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION IS YOUR DAY JOB
« Last post by cernunnos5 on July 22, 2018, 07:57:35 PM »
Lets not get "Highly" distracted. I'm not back. Just chiming in. I'm not motivated to write in the slightest at the moment. Burned myself out some. Just pointing out,"Hemp". A oiled source of high protein that grows like a weed and stores through a winter. Fuck eating god awful dandelions.

STORABLE PROTEIN. non embarrassed all caps. Collapse survival food.

Yup. So far, it defiantly grows like a weed. Potential cover crop that MAY choke out other weeds.

So, lets not get "Highly" distracted. About 70 people died in Quebec during the heat. Fire is hitting Ontario...

... and I am strategizing about running lights to the garden to work it at night.

Climate change. Its Real. Its happening faster and faster. Its lethal.

Put that in your bowl and smoke it. 

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