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Title: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Eddie on January 06, 2016, 10:46:27 AM
I see he hasn't logged on since October. I wish I knew he was okay. I wonder if a PM will pop up in his regular email?  Depends on his settings, I guess.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on January 06, 2016, 11:13:48 AM
I see he hasn't logged on since October. I wish I knew he was okay. I wonder if a PM will pop up in his regular email?  Depends on his settings, I guess.

I did a couple of times, but I believe reading about what was going on in the outside world was disturbing him too much.  He wanted to focus on teaching the other Monks and staying at peace inside his world.

You can get his email from the member file.  You're an admin.

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 27, 2016, 08:23:02 AM
I PMed him about his "Knights of the Round Table" idea. I told him that I didn't believe in horoscopes, which is what he wanted to do, but I said I wanted to meet Merlin and gave him my birthday. I hope he gets back. I didn't know he was a monk.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Eddie on November 27, 2016, 11:47:32 AM
Knarf went walkabout before for several months and then came back and posted a lot for several months....but toward the end of the election cycle he let it go. I expect because he was either too busy, too bummed, or possibly not in the best health.

He doesn't share much about his personal status. He got frustrated with his idea of doing Diner horoscopes, I think.

He is missed.

In the real world he is the Abbott of a small group of Buddhist monks who live in semi-seclusion on a little rural property....in Missouri, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 27, 2016, 04:18:07 PM
I'd like to talk to him. Can someone send him an e-mail? I'm something of an "enlightenment" seeker. People like Krishnamurti, for example, make perfect sense to me, but he's not someone I can admire too much because I get the impression he shot himself so far out of The Matrix that he could only talk at people and not with them.

If it helps, you can tell him that I think I've killed Buddha a few times, or at least injured him, and I'll spend the rest of my life hunting him down.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 27, 2016, 04:35:18 PM
Knarf went walkabout before for several months and then came back and posted a lot for several months....but toward the end of the election cycle he let it go. I expect because he was either too busy, too bummed, or possibly not in the best health.

He doesn't share much about his personal status. He got frustrated with his idea of doing Diner horoscopes, I think.

He is missed.

In the real world he is the Abbott of a small group of Buddhist monks who live in semi-seclusion on a little rural property....in Missouri, if I remember correctly.

It's Arkansas I believe.

I sent him an email a month or so ago, no response.  I'll try again.

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 27, 2016, 04:44:04 PM
I'm something of an "enlightenment" seeker. People like Krishnamurti, for example, 




http://www.genekeys.com/ (http://www.genekeys.com/)

Here ya' go. Good luck...  :icon_sunny:
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: jdwheeler42 on November 27, 2016, 07:15:44 PM
I'm something of an "enlightenment" seeker. People like Krishnamurti, for example, make perfect sense to me, but he's not someone I can admire too much because I get the impression he shot himself so far out of The Matrix that he could only talk at people and not with them.


If you only seek the light, you're missing out on half....


(https://fecdn-fractalenlighten.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/meaning-of-Yin-Yang-symbol.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/79tTac9.gif)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/YinYang.gif)(https://67.media.tumblr.com/1637e1247ab9ad0d8d27d88769c6ad1e/tumblr_ntcqgsMwkf1uaundno1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 27, 2016, 08:57:20 PM
I'm something of an "enlightenment" seeker. People like Krishnamurti, for example, make perfect sense to me, but he's not someone I can admire too much because I get the impression he shot himself so far out of The Matrix that he could only talk at people and not with them.


If you only seek the light, you're missing out on half....


(https://fecdn-fractalenlighten.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/meaning-of-Yin-Yang-symbol.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/79tTac9.gif)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/YinYang.gif)(https://67.media.tumblr.com/1637e1247ab9ad0d8d27d88769c6ad1e/tumblr_ntcqgsMwkf1uaundno1_500.gif)

If you think light and dark exist then thermodynamics would like to have a word with your brain. I said "enlightenment". That doesn't mean light, nor a balance of light and dark. It means seeing without seeing. And most people could never handle this. It's not peaceful - it sits on the precipice of conception of absolute nothingness and seeing the Universe's asymptotic approach toward such without any judgement whatsoever, though it's hard for appreciation and awe to not sneak in, but those are corrupting of course.

The logic of this species' trouble is so horribly, painfully clear. Why it destroys itself is completely obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman)

A few of us understand what really protects this coward fucking species. Perhaps not Tillman, but at least he had the courage to fight in blindness. Anything less is the cowardice of fairy tales.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 27, 2016, 09:05:31 PM
I'm something of an "enlightenment" seeker. People like Krishnamurti, for example, make perfect sense to me, but he's not someone I can admire too much because I get the impression he shot himself so far out of The Matrix that he could only talk at people and not with them.


If you only seek the light, you're missing out on half....


(https://fecdn-fractalenlighten.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/meaning-of-Yin-Yang-symbol.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/79tTac9.gif)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/YinYang.gif)(https://67.media.tumblr.com/1637e1247ab9ad0d8d27d88769c6ad1e/tumblr_ntcqgsMwkf1uaundno1_500.gif)

If you think light and dark exist then thermodynamics would like to have a word with your brain. I said "enlightenment". That doesn't mean light, nor a balance of light and dark. It means seeing without seeing. And most people could never handle this. It's not peaceful - it sits on the precipice of conception of absolute nothingness and seeing the Universe's asymptotic approach toward such without any judgement whatsoever, though it's hard for appreciation and awe to not sneak in, but those are corrupting of course.

The logic of this species' trouble is so horribly, painfully clear. Why it destroys itself is completely obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman)

A few of us understand what really protects this coward fucking species. Perhaps not Tillman, but at least he had the courage to fight in blindness. Anything less is the cowardice of fairy tales.

As you can see Diners, CW has a serious Nihilist bent.  You gotta be patient with him on this.  lol.  It took me a while just to calm him down enough to post up here.  He's a good poster and smart guy, despite being consumed with death and destruction.  Trying to lighten him up is a real challenge!  :icon_sunny:

Far as the Yin-Yang symbol goes, can we maybe add a Gray Area on this?  Otherwise, IMHO Diners are at the Center, the "Wu Ji" or Still Point on the diagram.

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 27, 2016, 09:07:04 PM
I'm something of an "enlightenment" seeker. People like Krishnamurti, for example, 




http://www.genekeys.com/ (http://www.genekeys.com/)

Here ya' go. Good luck...  :icon_sunny:

I already knew our species was batshit insane and forever ontologically ignorant, but thank you. I just needed to determine if these were "troll forums". I collect information you see. I wonder why jiggling clumps of subatomic particles give rise to the most gloriously complex delusions. It took almost 14 billion years worth of energy for the universe to "wake up" as far as we know, and apparently the first thing it did was permanently blind itself. I can only conclude that we we might be living in a "retarded" universe. Think about the multiverse (which seems like a reasonable conjecture).

I bet that in some of these universes there's a tendency for life to arise that isn't hopelessly self-blinding. Those are the universes I would have chosen to belong to. Not this one.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 27, 2016, 09:12:42 PM
I'm something of an "enlightenment" seeker. People like Krishnamurti, for example, make perfect sense to me, but he's not someone I can admire too much because I get the impression he shot himself so far out of The Matrix that he could only talk at people and not with them.


If you only seek the light, you're missing out on half....


(https://fecdn-fractalenlighten.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/meaning-of-Yin-Yang-symbol.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/79tTac9.gif)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/YinYang.gif)(https://67.media.tumblr.com/1637e1247ab9ad0d8d27d88769c6ad1e/tumblr_ntcqgsMwkf1uaundno1_500.gif)

If you think light and dark exist then thermodynamics would like to have a word with your brain. I said "enlightenment". That doesn't mean light, nor a balance of light and dark. It means seeing without seeing. And most people could never handle this. It's not peaceful - it sits on the precipice of conception of absolute nothingness and seeing the Universe's asymptotic approach toward such without any judgement whatsoever, though it's hard for appreciation and awe to not sneak in, but those are corrupting of course.

The logic of this species' trouble is so horribly, painfully clear. Why it destroys itself is completely obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman)

A few of us understand what really protects this coward fucking species. Perhaps not Tillman, but at least he had the courage to fight in blindness. Anything less is the cowardice of fairy tales.

As you can see Diners, CW has a serious Nihilist bent.  You gotta be patient with him on this.  lol.  It took me a while just to calm him down enough to post up here.  He's a good poster and smart guy, despite being consumed with death and destruction.  Trying to lighten him up is a real challenge!  :icon_sunny:

Far as the Yin-Yang symbol goes, can we maybe add a Gray Area on this?  Otherwise, IMHO Diners are at the Center, the "Wu Ji" or Still Point on the diagram.

RE

More than 99% of species that have ever existed are gone, and this percentage will only approach 100%. This is a trivial observation. Now, why is this the case? The answer is embodied in human self-destructive behavior. The machinery of that slaughter in encoded in our DNA.

Anything explicitly "nihilist" about these observations for starters? We better take this slow. Taking apart the human mind should be done with artistry, and I'm an artist.

Also - I want to see what you got. Send your best minds. Anything less will be boring, and it will probably still be trivial and boring.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 27, 2016, 09:22:16 PM

More than 99% of species that have ever existed are gone, and this percentage will only approach 100%. This is a trivial observation. Now, why is this the case? The answer is embodied in human self-destructive behavior. The machinery of that slaughter in encoded in our DNA.

You want trivial and obvious observations?  ???   :icon_scratch:  You just made one.

OBVIOUSLYHomo Sap will self -destruct, ALL life forms self destruct!  EVERY life form goes extinct at some point, even on a still functioning planet for raising eukaryotic life forms!

Get the fuck OVER it!  Everything on this planet is destined to DIE and always has been!  It's just not that big a fucking deal!  I will die, you will die, Polar Bears will die and so will the fucking crustaceans!  At the very MOST, with a perfect situation and set of circumstances, it MIGHT last 300M years more, but that is unlikely.

The deal while you ARE still alive is to STAY ALIVE!  You can't do that if you are nihilistic and defeatist.  Nihilists and defeatists are not only boring, they are seriously unpleasant to be around! I spent a good couple of years chatting up these assholes on NBL.  Talk about a waste of fucking time!  lol.

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 27, 2016, 11:14:44 PM

More than 99% of species that have ever existed are gone, and this percentage will only approach 100%. This is a trivial observation. Now, why is this the case? The answer is embodied in human self-destructive behavior. The machinery of that slaughter in encoded in our DNA.

You want trivial and obvious observations?  ???   :icon_scratch:  You just made one.

OBVIOUSLYHomo Sap will self -destruct, ALL life forms self destruct!  EVERY life form goes extinct at some point, even on a still functioning planet for raising eukaryotic life forms!

Get the fuck OVER it!  Everything on this planet is destined to DIE and always has been!  It's just not that big a fucking deal!  I will die, you will die, Polar Bears will die and so will the fucking crustaceans!  At the very MOST, with a perfect situation and set of circumstances, it MIGHT last 300M years more, but that is unlikely.

The deal while you ARE still alive is to STAY ALIVE!  You can't do that if you are nihilistic and defeatist.  Nihilists and defeatists are not only boring, they are seriously unpleasant to be around! I spent a good couple of years chatting up these assholes on NBL.  Talk about a waste of fucking time!  lol.

RE

I've given up on humans. Not the Universe (or at least the Multiverse). Huge difference. As has been noted (Cormac McCarthy play), the reason there are millions of planets (lot more actually) is because some species lay millions of eggs (or some such). Guess what kind of egg we are? The kind that doesn't hatch.

You're the one who can't get over "nihilism", which is just a word. Would you like living in a house with psychopaths your whole life? Would you say the point in such a situation is to "stay alive" so you can fuck and look out the window at a pretty tree and raise kids to live alongside the psychopaths? You people are out of your fucking minds.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 01:17:37 AM

I've given up on humans.

No you haven't.  If you had given up on humans you would have given up on yourself, since you are human.  If you are alive, you haven't given up on yourself.  You're clearly alive, since you are keyboarding to me over the internet.Far as I know, there are no ISPs serving customers in the Great Beyond.

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Would you say the point in such a situation is to "stay alive" so you can fuck and look out the window at a pretty tree and raise kids to live alongside the psychopaths? You people are out of your fucking minds.

While the planet is clearly loaded with psychopaths and imbeciles, it's not 100%.  I've found a few good people over the years, mostly here on the Diner  My hypothesis is that die off will selectively eliminate psychopaths and imbeciles, leaving standing only Diners.  :icon_sunny:

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 28, 2016, 02:29:23 AM
We are defiantly not ready for anything to do with strings & harmonics.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 05:24:26 AM
We are defiantly not ready for anything to do with strings & harmonics.

Those are just metaphors based on the limitations of the sensory apparatus of the human organism (i.e. sense = the metaphorical substrate of language). This species can never be ready for what is forever, fundamentally, beyond its ontological comprehension. This is called "getting over yourselves." It's also your motivation to keep trying (but stop pretending so much along the way - it's annoying).

Perhaps there is some underlying, simple geometry to the Universe however. A few people are working on this. Maybe I'll change my mind. Then again, maybe the Universe will slay us in a completely meaningless act of cosmic expression.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 05:29:10 AM

I've given up on humans.

No you haven't.  If you had given up on humans you would have given up on yourself, since you are human.  If you are alive, you haven't given up on yourself.  You're clearly alive, since you are keyboarding to me over the internet.Far as I know, there are no ISPs serving customers in the Great Beyond.

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Would you say the point in such a situation is to "stay alive" so you can fuck and look out the window at a pretty tree and raise kids to live alongside the psychopaths? You people are out of your fucking minds.

While the planet is clearly loaded with psychopaths and imbeciles, it's not 100%.  I've found a few good people over the years, mostly here on the Diner  My hypothesis is that die off will selectively eliminate psychopaths and imbeciles, leaving standing only Diners.  :icon_sunny:

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The only way to "be" that includes a conception of long term preservation is to try to be better than such. What an absurdity to restrict yourself to the accidental limitations of evolution and the limitations of conception inherent in the minds of such. I care because I don't want to be human. This should be obvious.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 05:42:46 AM
I care because I don't want to be human. This should be obvious.

What apparently is not obvious to you is that whether you WANT to be human or not, you ARE.  Live with it, or Die with it, but please stop complaining about your situation as a member of the Human Race.  It's quite tiresome, at least here on the Diner.  On NBL, they eat this shit up though.

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Eddie on November 28, 2016, 06:29:22 AM
I just needed to determine if these were "troll forums". I collect information you see. I wonder why jiggling clumps of subatomic particles give rise to the most gloriously complex delusions. It took almost 14 billion years worth of energy for the universe to "wake up" as far as we know, and apparently the first thing it did was permanently blind itself. I can only conclude that we we might be living in a "retarded" universe. Think about the multiverse (which seems like a reasonable conjecture).

I bet that in some of these universes there's a tendency for life to arise that isn't hopelessly self-blinding. Those are the universes I would have chosen to belong to. Not this one.


Now there's a thought worth considering. How would you go about finding a nice, sane, healthy planet that isn't choking on human garbage?

More than 99% of species that have ever existed are gone, and this percentage will only approach 100%. This is a trivial observation. Now, why is this the case? The answer is embodied in human self-destructive behavior. The machinery of that slaughter in encoded in our DNA.

Anything explicitly "nihilist" about these observations for starters? We better take this slow. Taking apart the human mind should be done with artistry, and I'm an artist.

Also - I want to see what you got. Send your best minds. Anything less will be boring, and it will probably still be trivial and boring.


Nothing wrong with your mind. It's your heart that's sick. Our best minds are powerless to help with that, I'm afraid. 

I'm not hopeful about the future, any more than you are. What it comes down to, is how am I going to live?

I don't think I have the power to reverse any of the bad stuff you mentioned. Mostly, I have control over how I spend my time. For the moment, anyway.

You're an artist? Good. Art is probably the most important thing humans can do with their time. Make some good art, if you can. Something that means something to you, and maybe to somebody else.

We live at the end of human existence, most likely. But it's not materially different to you or me than if we lived at the beginning of human existence, or in the middle somewhere.

Today, where I am anyway, the air is still sweet and breathable. I don't want for anything material. For individual humans, that's pretty good.  I try to live one breath at a time.

All the non-human species that are dying....as best I can tell, they don't obsess about any of this. It's only humans who do.

Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Eddie on November 28, 2016, 06:47:37 AM
If you think light and dark exist then thermodynamics would like to have a word with your brain. I said "enlightenment". That doesn't mean light, nor a balance of light and dark. It means seeing without seeing. And most people could never handle this. It's not peaceful - it sits on the precipice of conception of absolute nothingness and seeing the Universe's asymptotic approach toward such without any judgement whatsoever, though it's hard for appreciation and awe to not sneak in,

Enlightened people are few and far between, especially on internet forums. Real spiritual seeking, in general, tends to be on the way out, as best I can tell. It's been replaced by religion and conformity.

Humility is in short supply too.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 28, 2016, 08:31:23 AM
We are defiantly not ready for anything to do with strings & harmonics.

Those are just metaphors based on the limitations of the sensory apparatus of the human organism (i.e. sense = the metaphorical substrate of language). This species can never be ready for what is forever, fundamentally, beyond its ontological comprehension. This is called "getting over yourselves." It's also your motivation to keep trying (but stop pretending so much along the way - it's annoying).

Perhaps there is some underlying, simple geometry to the Universe however. A few people are working on this. Maybe I'll change my mind. Then again, maybe the Universe will slay us in a completely meaningless act of cosmic expression.


Have you researched any of Nassim Harimein's work ?
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 28, 2016, 08:37:30 AM

I've given up on humans.

No you haven't.  If you had given up on humans you would have given up on yourself, since you are human.  If you are alive, you haven't given up on yourself.  You're clearly alive, since you are keyboarding to me over the internet.Far as I know, there are no ISPs serving customers in the Great Beyond.

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Would you say the point in such a situation is to "stay alive" so you can fuck and look out the window at a pretty tree and raise kids to live alongside the psychopaths? You people are out of your fucking minds.

While the planet is clearly loaded with psychopaths and imbeciles, it's not 100%.  I've found a few good people over the years, mostly here on the Diner  My hypothesis is that die off will selectively eliminate psychopaths and imbeciles, leaving standing only Diners.  :icon_sunny:

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The only way to "be" that includes a conception of long term preservation is to try to be better than such. What an absurdity to restrict yourself to the accidental limitations of evolution and the limitations of conception inherent in the minds of such. I care because I don't want to be human. This should be obvious.

Energy flows where focus goes.
Clean sheet of paper everyday. History books are full of lies, and the crystal ball is in the shop.
All there is, is "IS-ness", endless now moments. Expansion of IS-ness.

http://www.youtube.com/v/rLj6e7TPMzA&fs=1
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 08:41:13 AM
We are defiantly not ready for anything to do with strings & harmonics.

Those are just metaphors based on the limitations of the sensory apparatus of the human organism (i.e. sense = the metaphorical substrate of language). This species can never be ready for what is forever, fundamentally, beyond its ontological comprehension. This is called "getting over yourselves." It's also your motivation to keep trying (but stop pretending so much along the way - it's annoying).

Perhaps there is some underlying, simple geometry to the Universe however. A few people are working on this. Maybe I'll change my mind. Then again, maybe the Universe will slay us in a completely meaningless act of cosmic expression.


Have you researched any of Nassim Harimein's work ?

No, but the mathematics of high level physics is currently far beyond me so my intuition will fail with fringe theories. All I can say is that I appreciate the diversity of work people are doing.

My heart is fine. You all already know this. Thanks for the wisdom. I think we're good.

Also, tell that fucking monk to contact me. What kind of monk hides? Pathetic, wake him up.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Eddie on November 28, 2016, 09:11:35 AM
Also, tell that fucking monk to contact me. What kind of monk hides? Pathetic, wake him up.

If he isn't responding to your PM's, I can't help you. It's possible they don't have internet at the moment. I feel fairly certain he'll be back, but I don't know for sure.

Unless you want to move to Missouri and live and work at the monastery, I doubt Knarf will be able to do much for you, though. Good luck with your inquires, both temporal and spiritual.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 09:20:32 AM
Also, tell that fucking monk to contact me. What kind of monk hides? Pathetic, wake him up.

If he isn't responding to your PM's, I can't help you. It's possible they don't have internet at the moment. I feel fairly certain he'll be back, but I don't know for sure.

Unless you want to move to Missouri and live and work at the monastery, I doubt Knarf will be able to do much for you, though. Good luck with your inquires, both temporal and spiritual.

I'd live and work at the monastery - been wanting to do this for years. Not permanently because I have other shit I want to do, but for a few years? Sure.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 28, 2016, 09:33:14 AM
Also, tell that fucking monk to contact me. What kind of monk hides? Pathetic, wake him up.

If he isn't responding to your PM's, I can't help you. It's possible they don't have internet at the moment. I feel fairly certain he'll be back, but I don't know for sure.

Unless you want to move to Missouri and live and work at the monastery, I doubt Knarf will be able to do much for you, though. Good luck with your inquires, both temporal and spiritual.

I'd live and work at the monastery - been wanting to do this for years. Not permanently because I have other shit I want to do, but for a few years? Sure.


The journey inward is a lifetimes worth of work.
Being on the fence is where your at. That's ok. Most folks are fence sitters until their ass is in flames.
Curiosity is a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Eddie on November 28, 2016, 09:35:22 AM
I'm sure you found the link to his blog, but just in case....

https://openmind693.wordpress.com/

All I know is "Mid-Missouri".  It doesn't look like he's added to the blog in several months. He was last here a little over a month ago. I think the monastery would be a great place to spend some time.

I have thought about making a visit,myself. Not to learn to meditate, but to visit Knarf, whom I like a lot.

Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 09:46:51 AM
I'm sure you found the link to his blog, but just in case....

https://openmind693.wordpress.com/ (https://openmind693.wordpress.com/)

All I know is "Mid-Missouri".  It doesn't look like he's added to the blog in several months. He was last here a little over a month ago. I think the monastery would be a great place to spend some time.

I have thought about making a visit,myself. Not to learn to meditate, but to visit Knarf, whom I like a lot.

I already know how to meditate. I just want to see who can teach who humility. I imagine it's going to go something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4)

I'll go down there after my next birthday whether I'm contacted or not. Knock Knock.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 09:47:40 AM
Also, tell that fucking monk to contact me. What kind of monk hides? Pathetic, wake him up.

If he isn't responding to your PM's, I can't help you. It's possible they don't have internet at the moment. I feel fairly certain he'll be back, but I don't know for sure.

Unless you want to move to Missouri and live and work at the monastery, I doubt Knarf will be able to do much for you, though. Good luck with your inquires, both temporal and spiritual.

I'd live and work at the monastery - been wanting to do this for years. Not permanently because I have other shit I want to do, but for a few years? Sure.


The journey inward is a lifetimes worth of work.
Being on the fence is where your at. That's ok. Most folks are fence sitters until their ass is in flames.
Curiosity is a step in the right direction.

There is no fucking fence.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Eddie on November 28, 2016, 10:22:38 AM
I already know how to meditate. I just want to see who can teach who humility. I imagine it's going to go something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4)


Who's trolling whom here?  Don't waste the time of sincere people. What birthday IS that coming up?
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 10:33:02 AM
We reply on metaphor given our disjunct in not being able to contain ourselves with our thoughts. In any case - I don't think it'll be a tie of I go down there. But we'll see. I'm used to everyone running away.

Do I have to set myself on fire to get in?

https://www.google.com/search?q=monk+on+fire&rlz=1C1ASRM_enUS706US706&espv=2&biw=1088&bih=510&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQ1aOCi8zQAhUi7oMKHatVAq4Q_AUIBigB#imgrc=60EteHHJvM0KPM%3A (https://www.google.com/search?q=monk+on+fire&rlz=1C1ASRM_enUS706US706&espv=2&biw=1088&bih=510&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQ1aOCi8zQAhUi7oMKHatVAq4Q_AUIBigB#imgrc=60EteHHJvM0KPM%3A)

I could probably already do this, but I wouldn't want to damage their humble little barn.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 10:35:05 AM
It's my 42nd birthday. I live in Iowa and there's total solar eclipse near here. I need to see that first. Also, monks don't fuck last I checked (their loss), and I'd like to prepare for that little bit of boredom.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 10:53:54 AM
It's my 42nd birthday. I live in Iowa and there's total solar eclipse near here. I need to see that first. Also, monks don't fuck last I checked (their loss), and I'd like to prepare for that little bit of boredom.

Dude, you seem to be a nihilist to me.  Possibly not a nihilist but perhaps a psychopath?  Just judging on the things you've said on this thread. 
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Eddie on November 28, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
Not sure what you have to learn from Knarf. Frankly you don't seem like the kind of person who would be happy cleaning houses part time to support his meditation habit, which is what those guys do. That and work at sustainable self-reliant living on their little farm.

They are all about letting go of ego. You don't seem to be oriented that way.

People come and go here. If you want to talk to him, I'm sure it'll be possible sooner or later. All in the fullness of time.

Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 11:11:31 AM
Not sure what you have to learn from Knarf. Frankly you don't seem like the kind of person who would be happy cleaning houses part time to support his meditation habit, which is what those guys do. That and work at sustainable self-reliant living on their little farm.

They are all about letting go of ego. You don't seem to be oriented that way.

People come and go here. If you want to talk to him, I'm sure it'll be possible sooner or later. All in the fullness of time.

I know the people here aren't this ignorant. Sorry, I don't believe you.

Yes, I'm a psychopath (to address the other poster) - and 100 other things, none of which actually exist. Want to keep playing the labels game? Let me help you out since, based on the garbage coming out of the mouths here, you seem to have no idea what language is:

I want you to give me the exact dynamic configurations of matter that, in their interactions, would produce something to which the label "psychopath" applies. I want you to specify this exact fucking subset out of the entire superset of matter interactions that comprise our entire Universe (the full set being the full life of the Universe itself as far as I know for now). I also demand a fundamental theoretical account of the phenomenon, which is needed to justify the label as this theory will explain why other subsets don't give rise to this phenomenon. Until you can do this - take your labels and choke on them.

Oh wait - you're already doing that to yourself.

We done playing games? Can I just make the fucking goat cheese and shovel snow now?
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: jdwheeler42 on November 28, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
I bet that in some of these universes there's a tendency for life to arise that isn't hopelessly self-blinding. Those are the universes I would have chosen to belong to. Not this one.
And yet, here you are....
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: jdwheeler42 on November 28, 2016, 11:21:55 AM
Dude, you seem to be a nihilist to me.  Possibly not a nihilist but perhaps a psychopath?  Just judging on the things you've said on this thread.
Dude!  No need for name calling....  CW seems pretty reasonable....

I haven't had this much fun here since Ashvin last defended Christianity....
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Eddie on November 28, 2016, 11:35:00 AM
I know the people here aren't this ignorant. Sorry, I don't believe you.

You have this way of being unpleasant, for no particular reason I can figure out. It's not like we're hiding something, and whether you believe me or not, it isn't going to affect my day much.

Knarf is just a guy who posts on this forum. I don't have his phone number.

Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Surly1 on November 28, 2016, 11:49:48 AM
Not sure what you have to learn from Knarf. Frankly you don't seem like the kind of person who would be happy cleaning houses part time to support his meditation habit, which is what those guys do. That and work at sustainable self-reliant living on their little farm.

They are all about letting go of ego. You don't seem to be oriented that way.

People come and go here. If you want to talk to him, I'm sure it'll be possible sooner or later. All in the fullness of time.

I know the people here aren't this ignorant. Sorry, I don't believe you.

Big difference between "ignorance" and not having contact info.

Knarf comes here and posts up for a while then leaves for a while. That's just the way it is, and has been, for a good while now. When he posts up newz, he does a terrific job at it.

This thread reminds me of why I've been walkabout.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: jdwheeler42 on November 28, 2016, 12:03:30 PM
Yes JD He is reasonable alright, as reasoned as you ridiculing Ashvin with your next breath.

Ashvin is the most reasoned and well intentioned member, as well as the smartest we ever had here.

Making fun of that wonderful kid because of his deep religious beliefs is very unworthy of someone with your intelligence and usually extremely well mannered decorum.  Frankly I am surprised at you.  Sorry, I would like to remain your friend, but in my view Ashvin is too nice and sincere a person to suggest he is a fool or a clown.  I had to speak out on his behalf.                       Regards, GO
Thank you for speaking up, GO, no ridicule was intended on my part.  Ashvin's passion for his beliefs is very refreshing, and I delight in the vigor with which he defends them, like an old man wistfully remembering his youth as he watches teenagers dance.  I certainly did not mean to imply that he was foolish for holding them, as my beliefs are largely congruent with his.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: g on November 28, 2016, 12:09:19 PM
Yes JD He is reasonable alright, as reasoned as you ridiculing Ashvin with your next breath.

Ashvin is the most reasoned and well intentioned member, as well as the smartest we ever had here.

Making fun of that wonderful kid because of his deep religious beliefs is very unworthy of someone with your intelligence and usually extremely well mannered decorum.  Frankly I am surprised at you.  Sorry, I would like to remain your friend, but in my view Ashvin is too nice and sincere a person to suggest he is a fool or a clown.  I had to speak out on his behalf.                       Regards, GO
Thank you for speaking up, GO, no ridicule was intended on my part.  Ashvin's passion for his beliefs is very refreshing, and I delight in the vigor with which he defends them, like an old man wistfully remembering his youth as he watches teenagers dance.  I certainly did not mean to imply that he was foolish for holding them, as my beliefs are largely congruent with his.

Kindly forgive my false accusation, it was obviously not intentional.

I am going to delete it and hope you will understand I meant no harm.  Thanks for your reply, a thousand apologies, GO
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 12:09:25 PM
I know the people here aren't this ignorant. Sorry, I don't believe you.

You have this way of being unpleasant, for no particular reason I can figure out. It's not like we're hiding something, and whether you believe me or not, it isn't going to affect my day much.

If I'm unpleasant then stop projecting it. It's your problem, not mine. The only thing a person can hide is themselves. How many people here are doing this? My guess is - not as many as pretending. Perhaps no one.

Do you want pretty language? Here:
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 12:09:58 PM
Dude, you seem to be a nihilist to me.  Possibly not a nihilist but perhaps a psychopath?  Just judging on the things you've said on this thread.
Dude!  No need for name calling....  CW seems pretty reasonable....

I haven't had this much fun here since Ashvin last defended Christianity....

<3
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 28, 2016, 12:13:17 PM
I'm sure you found the link to his blog, but just in case....

https://openmind693.wordpress.com/ (https://openmind693.wordpress.com/)

All I know is "Mid-Missouri".  It doesn't look like he's added to the blog in several months. He was last here a little over a month ago. I think the monastery would be a great place to spend some time.

I have thought about making a visit,myself. Not to learn to meditate, but to visit Knarf, whom I like a lot.

I already know how to meditate. I just want to see who can teach who humility. I imagine it's going to go something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4)

I'll go down there after my next birthday whether I'm contacted or not. Knock Knock.


Teach humility ?

Loose your cleverness, & purchase awe & bewilderment
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 12:16:37 PM
Not sure what you have to learn from Knarf. Frankly you don't seem like the kind of person who would be happy cleaning houses part time to support his meditation habit, which is what those guys do. That and work at sustainable self-reliant living on their little farm.

They are all about letting go of ego. You don't seem to be oriented that way.

People come and go here. If you want to talk to him, I'm sure it'll be possible sooner or later. All in the fullness of time.

I know the people here aren't this ignorant. Sorry, I don't believe you.

Big difference between "ignorance" and not having contact info.

Knarf comes here and posts up for a while then leaves for a while. That's just the way it is, and has been, for a good while now. When he posts up newz, he does a terrific job at it.

This thread reminds me of why I've been walkabout.

This was a misunderstanding. I apologize for the miscommunication. I didn't think you were hiding knarf's info and I wouldn't have cared in the slightest if you were (except to theorize how a zany state of affairs came about in the Universe). I can find the place on my own if it seems appropriate.

The feigned "ignorance" is thinking I'm not interested in letting go of ego and don't want to do chores and other nonsense.

I think we're about done here. Anyone like video games?

The point of fighting is to learn that it's pointless. Surely that's what you've been wanting me to say? On the other hand, to face our Universal contingencies with adaptive expectations we must learn how? Our species has a dilemma you see. I want to know who out there knows how to articulate it.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 28, 2016, 12:20:22 PM
It's my 42nd birthday. I live in Iowa and there's total solar eclipse near here. I need to see that first. Also, monks don't fuck last I checked (their loss), and I'd like to prepare for that little bit of boredom.


At 42, I hadn't hit my brick wall yet. Prepare for an impact of knee jerk proportions, Ctrlaltdelete...

You need a space to vent, I get that !

JD,
I miss going toe to toe with Ashvin as well. He was so 3D easy  :emthup:
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 12:22:49 PM
I'm sure you found the link to his blog, but just in case....

https://openmind693.wordpress.com/ (https://openmind693.wordpress.com/)

All I know is "Mid-Missouri".  It doesn't look like he's added to the blog in several months. He was last here a little over a month ago. I think the monastery would be a great place to spend some time.

I have thought about making a visit,myself. Not to learn to meditate, but to visit Knarf, whom I like a lot.

I already know how to meditate. I just want to see who can teach who humility. I imagine it's going to go something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4)

I'll go down there after my next birthday whether I'm contacted or not. Knock Knock.


Teach humility ?

Loose your cleverness, & purchase awe & bewilderment

Given the contingencies of evolution, do you think humility isn't to be taught? How did the world get to the state it's in? Obviously not from some kind of inherent human humility.

So - who gets to teach then? Who has the credentials? The answer is, of course, that we teach each other. Polishing one another like mirrors I suppose. Many metaphors work - they're best forgotten and soon as possible so the work can be done.

Awe and Bewilderment are free. Cleverness is entertainment and humor - I'm keeping it to remain a human being.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
It's my 42nd birthday. I live in Iowa and there's total solar eclipse near here. I need to see that first. Also, monks don't fuck last I checked (their loss), and I'd like to prepare for that little bit of boredom.


At 42, I hadn't hit my brick wall yet. Prepare for an impact of knee jerk proportions, Ctrlaltdelete...

You need a space to vent, I get that !

JD,
I miss going toe to toe with Ashvin as well. He was so 3D easy  :emthup:

What does 3D easy mean? Yes, I needed to vent. People also need to hit each other growing up it seems. I'm still trying to figure it out.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 12:41:37 PM


Yes, I'm a psychopath (to address the other poster) - and 100 other things, none of which actually exist. Want to keep playing the labels game? Let me help you out since, based on the garbage coming out of the mouths here, you seem to have no idea what language is:

I want you to give me the exact dynamic configurations of matter that, in their interactions, would produce something to which the label "psychopath" applies. I want you to specify this exact fucking subset out of the entire superset of matter interactions that comprise our entire Universe (the full set being the full life of the Universe itself as far as I know for now). I also demand a fundamental theoretical account of the phenomenon, which is needed to justify the label as this theory will explain why other subsets don't give rise to this phenomenon. Until you can do this - take your labels and choke on them.

Oh wait - you're already doing that to yourself.

We done playing games? Can I just make the fucking goat cheese and shovel snow now?

You seem pretty angry to me, and you also haven't made much sense.  So I won't call you a Nihilist or a psychopath, I'll just say you seem like those things to me based on what you've typed so far. 

You've said we are all ignorant and nothing but garbage is coming out of our mouths...just in the above quoted post of yours.  Who's playing games? 

As far as your requests goes...errr...I don't even know where to begin answering that.  Best I can tell it's the blathering of an angry Nihilist.  Not that you are one...I mean I don't want to be accused of "name calling."  I don't know who you are, but I know you should chill out some. 
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 28, 2016, 12:42:59 PM
I'm sure you found the link to his blog, but just in case....

https://openmind693.wordpress.com/ (https://openmind693.wordpress.com/)

All I know is "Mid-Missouri".  It doesn't look like he's added to the blog in several months. He was last here a little over a month ago. I think the monastery would be a great place to spend some time.

I have thought about making a visit,myself. Not to learn to meditate, but to visit Knarf, whom I like a lot.

I already know how to meditate. I just want to see who can teach who humility. I imagine it's going to go something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4)

I'll go down there after my next birthday whether I'm contacted or not. Knock Knock.


Teach humility ?

Loose your cleverness, & purchase awe & bewilderment

Given the contingencies of evolution, do you think humility isn't to be taught? How did the world get to the state it's in? Obviously not from some kind of inherent human humility.

So - who gets to teach then? Who has the credentials? The answer is, of course, that we teach each other. Polishing one another like mirrors I suppose. Many metaphors work - they're best forgotten and soon as possible so the work can be done.

Awe and Bewilderment are free. Cleverness is entertainment and humor - I'm keeping it to remain a human being.


Humility is built into your 64 DNA strand.
It's the 31st Gene.
Humility is the Siddhi vibratory resonance of that Gene.
It's paired up with Leadership at the gift vibratory resonance & Arrogance at the shadow vibratory resonance.
You will need to contemplate at that level to attain humility. Chances are your vibratory resonance is at the
shadow level & your 31st gene is resonating in arrogance currently.
If you'd like I can expand on what humility is defined as through the Gene Keys. Your choice.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 12:53:43 PM


Yes, I'm a psychopath (to address the other poster) - and 100 other things, none of which actually exist. Want to keep playing the labels game? Let me help you out since, based on the garbage coming out of the mouths here, you seem to have no idea what language is:

I want you to give me the exact dynamic configurations of matter that, in their interactions, would produce something to which the label "psychopath" applies. I want you to specify this exact fucking subset out of the entire superset of matter interactions that comprise our entire Universe (the full set being the full life of the Universe itself as far as I know for now). I also demand a fundamental theoretical account of the phenomenon, which is needed to justify the label as this theory will explain why other subsets don't give rise to this phenomenon. Until you can do this - take your labels and choke on them.

Oh wait - you're already doing that to yourself.

We done playing games? Can I just make the fucking goat cheese and shovel snow now?

You seem pretty angry to me, and you also haven't made much sense.  So I won't call you a Nihilist or a psychopath, I'll just say you seem like those things to me based on what you've typed so far. 

You've said we are all ignorant and nothing but garbage is coming out of our mouths...just in the above quoted post of yours.  Who's playing games? 

As far as your requests goes...errr...I don't even know where to begin answering that.  Best I can tell it's the blathering of an angry Nihilist.  Not that you are one...I mean I don't want to be accused of "name calling."  I don't know who you are, but I know you should chill out some.

You need to read more carefully. So do I sometimes. Why do you think your ideas are so different from the others in this thread given that you're all reading the exact same text ...
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 12:53:59 PM


I've given up on humans. Not the Universe (or at least the Multiverse). Huge difference. As has been noted (Cormac McCarthy play), the reason there are millions of planets (lot more actually) is because some species lay millions of eggs (or some such). Guess what kind of egg we are? The kind that doesn't hatch.

You're the one who can't get over "nihilism", which is just a word. Would you like living in a house with psychopaths your whole life? Would you say the point in such a situation is to "stay alive" so you can fuck and look out the window at a pretty tree and raise kids to live alongside the psychopaths? You people are out of your fucking minds.

You are human no?  You've given up on humans yes?  So you have given up on yourself...unless you are not human. 

Nihilism is not just a word, it's a word that designates a philosophy.  A philosophy that believes in nothing. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism)

Quote
Nihilism is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.

Also, you used the term "psychopath" here and then went on some unintelligible rant about how I needed to crack the code of existence to explain what the term means. 

Then you state that "you people are out of your fucking minds."  Yet somehow my suggesting that you are a nihilist and possible psychopathic is out of order?  Yet we are all ignorant and out of our minds? 

By the way, welcome to the Diner. 

Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 12:55:37 PM
I'm sure you found the link to his blog, but just in case....

https://openmind693.wordpress.com/ (https://openmind693.wordpress.com/)

All I know is "Mid-Missouri".  It doesn't look like he's added to the blog in several months. He was last here a little over a month ago. I think the monastery would be a great place to spend some time.

I have thought about making a visit,myself. Not to learn to meditate, but to visit Knarf, whom I like a lot.

I already know how to meditate. I just want to see who can teach who humility. I imagine it's going to go something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4)

I'll go down there after my next birthday whether I'm contacted or not. Knock Knock.


Teach humility ?

Loose your cleverness, & purchase awe & bewilderment

Given the contingencies of evolution, do you think humility isn't to be taught? How did the world get to the state it's in? Obviously not from some kind of inherent human humility.

So - who gets to teach then? Who has the credentials? The answer is, of course, that we teach each other. Polishing one another like mirrors I suppose. Many metaphors work - they're best forgotten and soon as possible so the work can be done.

Awe and Bewilderment are free. Cleverness is entertainment and humor - I'm keeping it to remain a human being.


Humility is built into your 64 DNA strand.
It's the 31st Gene.
Humility is the Siddhi vibratory resonance of that Gene.
It's paired up with Leadership at the gift vibratory resonance & Arrogance at the shadow vibratory resonance.
You will need to contemplate at that level to attain humility. Chances are your vibratory resonance is at the
shadow level & your 31st gene is resonating in arrogance currently.
If you'd like I can expand on what humility is defined as through the Gene Keys. Your choice.

Can you play guitar or something instead? I'd listen to that.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 12:58:54 PM


You need to read more carefully. So do I sometimes. Why do you think your ideas are so different from the others in this thread given that you're all reading the exact same text ...

What are you talking about?  Where are you getting that I think my ideas are so different from others on this thread? 

You should take some deep breaths and relax a bit. 

For the record I don't think I'm any better than anyone else.  We all have our opinions.  Yours seem to be nihilistic in nature as RE (then myself) pointed out.  That's fine btw, if you are a nihilist.  It's just another philosophy...another ism to go along in the isness as such. 
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 01:00:11 PM
I'm sure you found the link to his blog, but just in case....

https://openmind693.wordpress.com/ (https://openmind693.wordpress.com/)

All I know is "Mid-Missouri".  It doesn't look like he's added to the blog in several months. He was last here a little over a month ago. I think the monastery would be a great place to spend some time.

I have thought about making a visit,myself. Not to learn to meditate, but to visit Knarf, whom I like a lot.

I already know how to meditate. I just want to see who can teach who humility. I imagine it's going to go something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPgafBEqn4)

I'll go down there after my next birthday whether I'm contacted or not. Knock Knock.


Teach humility ?

Loose your cleverness, & purchase awe & bewilderment

Given the contingencies of evolution, do you think humility isn't to be taught? How did the world get to the state it's in? Obviously not from some kind of inherent human humility.

So - who gets to teach then? Who has the credentials? The answer is, of course, that we teach each other. Polishing one another like mirrors I suppose. Many metaphors work - they're best forgotten and soon as possible so the work can be done.

Awe and Bewilderment are free. Cleverness is entertainment and humor - I'm keeping it to remain a human being.


Humility is built into your 64 DNA strand.
It's the 31st Gene.
Humility is the Siddhi vibratory resonance of that Gene.
It's paired up with Leadership at the gift vibratory resonance & Arrogance at the shadow vibratory resonance.
You will need to contemplate at that level to attain humility. Chances are your vibratory resonance is at the
shadow level & your 31st gene is resonating in arrogance currently.
If you'd like I can expand on what humility is defined as through the Gene Keys. Your choice.

Can you play guitar or something instead? I'd listen to that.

I can play shakuhachi  ;)
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 28, 2016, 01:02:20 PM
No....
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:02:52 PM


I've given up on humans. Not the Universe (or at least the Multiverse). Huge difference. As has been noted (Cormac McCarthy play), the reason there are millions of planets (lot more actually) is because some species lay millions of eggs (or some such). Guess what kind of egg we are? The kind that doesn't hatch.

You're the one who can't get over "nihilism", which is just a word. Would you like living in a house with psychopaths your whole life? Would you say the point in such a situation is to "stay alive" so you can fuck and look out the window at a pretty tree and raise kids to live alongside the psychopaths? You people are out of your fucking minds.

You are human no?  You've given up on humans yes?  So you have given up on yourself...unless you are not human. 

Nihilism is not just a word, it's a word that designates a philosophy.  A philosophy that believes in nothing. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism)

Quote
Nihilism is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.

Also, you used the term "psychopath" here and then went on some unintelligible rant about how I needed to crack the code of existence to explain what the term means. 

Then you state that "you people are out of your fucking minds."  Yet somehow my suggesting that you are a nihilist and possible psychopathic is out of order?  Yet we are all ignorant and out of our minds? 

By the way, welcome to the Diner.

Yes, to give up on humans would be to give up on one's self. Does the supposed semantic content of my writing actually reflect the dynamic of this forum conversation? You don't think there's more meaning in our interaction than the marks we've scribbled? Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words seem to ruin people.

Nihilism isn't just a word, but it's a philosophy? And that makes philosophy not just a word then? Philosophy has become the creation of self-satisfying false edifice. Meaning is in dynamic. I've always wanted to "kill" philosophy, but how do you kill something dead?

It's a pleasure to be at the Diner. You are the wisest people I've had the pleasure to talk to.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:04:37 PM


You need to read more carefully. So do I sometimes. Why do you think your ideas are so different from the others in this thread given that you're all reading the exact same text ...

What are you talking about?  Where are you getting that I think my ideas are so different from others on this thread? 


Well played.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 01:05:22 PM
Dude, you seem to be a nihilist to me.  Possibly not a nihilist but perhaps a psychopath?  Just judging on the things you've said on this thread.
Dude!  No need for name calling....  CW seems pretty reasonable....

I haven't had this much fun here since Ashvin last defended Christianity....

I disagree with his reasonableness so far.  It's great to have a new personality on the Diner...he most certainly has personality.  I don't think I was name calling though.  That would be more like saying we are all ignorant...which I haven't said.  Somebody here on this thread did say that however. 

Also, I agree, this could get fun depending on how things go.  Ashvin defending Christianity was a gas to be sure. 
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 01:05:33 PM


Yes, I'm a psychopath (to address the other poster) - and 100 other things, none of which actually exist. Want to keep playing the labels game? Let me help you out since, based on the garbage coming out of the mouths here, you seem to have no idea what language is:

I want you to give me the exact dynamic configurations of matter that, in their interactions, would produce something to which the label "psychopath" applies. I want you to specify this exact fucking subset out of the entire superset of matter interactions that comprise our entire Universe (the full set being the full life of the Universe itself as far as I know for now). I also demand a fundamental theoretical account of the phenomenon, which is needed to justify the label as this theory will explain why other subsets don't give rise to this phenomenon. Until you can do this - take your labels and choke on them.

Oh wait - you're already doing that to yourself.

We done playing games? Can I just make the fucking goat cheese and shovel snow now?

You seem pretty angry to me, and you also haven't made much sense.  So I won't call you a Nihilist or a psychopath, I'll just say you seem like those things to me based on what you've typed so far. 

You've said we are all ignorant and nothing but garbage is coming out of our mouths...just in the above quoted post of yours.  Who's playing games? 

As far as your requests goes...errr...I don't even know where to begin answering that.  Best I can tell it's the blathering of an angry Nihilist.  Not that you are one...I mean I don't want to be accused of "name calling."  I don't know who you are, but I know you should chill out some.

It appears to me that CW is decompensating.  On the text level, he reminds me of the woman who lives above me who periodical goes into long fits of yelling at...nobody because she lives alone.  You can't really understand most of what she is yelling about, because there is no intonation and no pauses between words.  You do pick up on the "fucks" and "shits" though.  lol.  Not sure if it is Tourette's or Schizophrenia or maybe both.  Periodically I have the desire to go upstairs, knock on the door and tell her to STFU and get back on her meds, but then I think better of it because overall she is no danger to anyone except perhaps herself.

Now, to CW, when I invited you in here I told you that you could take any POV you wanted including Nihilism, but I also told you that you had to be respectful of the other Diners.  Calling people ignorant is not being respectful.  It's also none of our faults that Knarf is walkabout, he lives in a monastery and if he doesn't feel like talking to anyone, he doesn't have to.  In fact they don't even talk to each other there that much from what I have gathered in the past.  Beyond that, if you tried to get him to respond to any of the rants you have so far put up, he would at best ignore them but more likely simply go walkabout again.  Your communication method is (to put it mildly) somewhat annoying.  lol.

Anyhow, try not to wear out your welcome too quickly.  ::)

RE
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:10:50 PM

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 01:11:24 PM


I've given up on humans. Not the Universe (or at least the Multiverse). Huge difference. As has been noted (Cormac McCarthy play), the reason there are millions of planets (lot more actually) is because some species lay millions of eggs (or some such). Guess what kind of egg we are? The kind that doesn't hatch.

You're the one who can't get over "nihilism", which is just a word. Would you like living in a house with psychopaths your whole life? Would you say the point in such a situation is to "stay alive" so you can fuck and look out the window at a pretty tree and raise kids to live alongside the psychopaths? You people are out of your fucking minds.

You are human no?  You've given up on humans yes?  So you have given up on yourself...unless you are not human. 

Nihilism is not just a word, it's a word that designates a philosophy.  A philosophy that believes in nothing. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism)

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Nihilism is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.

Also, you used the term "psychopath" here and then went on some unintelligible rant about how I needed to crack the code of existence to explain what the term means. 

Then you state that "you people are out of your fucking minds."  Yet somehow my suggesting that you are a nihilist and possible psychopathic is out of order?  Yet we are all ignorant and out of our minds? 

By the way, welcome to the Diner.

Yes, to give up on humans would be to give up on one's self. Does the supposed semantic content of my writing actually reflect the dynamic of this forum conversation? You don't think there's more meaning in our interaction than the marks we've scribbled? Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words seem to ruin people.

Nihilism isn't just a word, but it's a philosophy? And that makes philosophy not just a word then? Philosophy has become the creation of self-satisfying false edifice. Meaning is in dynamic. I've always wanted to "kill" philosophy, but how do you kill something dead?

It's a pleasure to be at the Diner. You are the wisest people I've had the pleasure to talk to.

If you don't have some type of philosophy than I think by default you are indeed a nihilist since that's pretty much what the philosophy of nihilism is about. 

We can't communicate without words.  You are on a forum that requires us to use words to communicate.  Words are just words...yes...but they are meant to convey meaning.  A word is meaningless without many other words to define it.  A philosophy is composed of many words.  Words making ideas possible. 

I'm not sure what you are gaming at. 
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:12:18 PM
Dude, you seem to be a nihilist to me.  Possibly not a nihilist but perhaps a psychopath?  Just judging on the things you've said on this thread.
Dude!  No need for name calling....  CW seems pretty reasonable....

I haven't had this much fun here since Ashvin last defended Christianity....

I disagree with his reasonableness so far.  It's great to have a new personality on the Diner...he most certainly has personality.  I don't think I was name calling though.  That would be more like saying we are all ignorant...which I haven't said.  Somebody here on this thread did say that however. 

Also, I agree, this could get fun depending on how things go.  Ashvin defending Christianity was a gas to be sure.

Most words are "name calling".
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:13:33 PM
No....

I'm sure that's okay.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 01:14:17 PM

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.

I don't just play shakuhachi...I also make shakuhachi...and grow the bamboo to make shakuhachi. 

Shakuhachi being a zen activity that requires no words.  Just perfection in sound through bamboo. 
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:18:16 PM


Yes, I'm a psychopath (to address the other poster) - and 100 other things, none of which actually exist. Want to keep playing the labels game? Let me help you out since, based on the garbage coming out of the mouths here, you seem to have no idea what language is:

I want you to give me the exact dynamic configurations of matter that, in their interactions, would produce something to which the label "psychopath" applies. I want you to specify this exact fucking subset out of the entire superset of matter interactions that comprise our entire Universe (the full set being the full life of the Universe itself as far as I know for now). I also demand a fundamental theoretical account of the phenomenon, which is needed to justify the label as this theory will explain why other subsets don't give rise to this phenomenon. Until you can do this - take your labels and choke on them.

Oh wait - you're already doing that to yourself.

We done playing games? Can I just make the fucking goat cheese and shovel snow now?

You seem pretty angry to me, and you also haven't made much sense.  So I won't call you a Nihilist or a psychopath, I'll just say you seem like those things to me based on what you've typed so far. 

You've said we are all ignorant and nothing but garbage is coming out of our mouths...just in the above quoted post of yours.  Who's playing games? 

As far as your requests goes...errr...I don't even know where to begin answering that.  Best I can tell it's the blathering of an angry Nihilist.  Not that you are one...I mean I don't want to be accused of "name calling."  I don't know who you are, but I know you should chill out some.

It appears to me that CW is decompensating.  On the text level, he reminds me of the woman who lives above me who periodical goes into long fits of yelling at...nobody because she lives alone.  You can't really understand most of what she is yelling about, because there is no intonation and no pauses between words.  You do pick up on the "fucks" and "shits" though.  lol.  Not sure if it is Tourette's or Schizophrenia or maybe both.  Periodically I have the desire to go upstairs, knock on the door and tell her to STFU and get back on her meds, but then I think better of it because overall she is no danger to anyone except perhaps herself.

Now, to CW, when I invited you in here I told you that you could take any POV you wanted including Nihilism, but I also told you that you had to be respectful of the other Diners.  Calling people ignorant is not being respectful.  It's also none of our faults that Knarf is walkabout, he lives in a monastery and if he doesn't feel like talking to anyone, he doesn't have to.  In fact they don't even talk to each other there that much from what I have gathered in the past.  Beyond that, if you tried to get him to respond to any of the rants you have so far put up, he would at best ignore them but more likely simply go walkabout again.  Your communication method is (to put it mildly) somewhat annoying.  lol.

Anyhow, try not to wear out your welcome too quickly.  ::)

RE

I'm afraid if you find this too much then this isn't the place for me. Of course - I don't believe what you're saying. It doesn't make sense.

You could say anything at all - call me any name. Post any rant. Whatever. How come I can handle it?

The swearing stays until you're used to it or you can ban me. I'll probably head to Missouri in any case.

Fuck you. Fuck me. Words words words ...
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:20:44 PM
If knarf doesn't understand my communication methods then perhaps he can come stay in my apartment. I have room. He can have the air mattress so he's comfortable, and I'll go back to the floor.

Should we keep comparing ourselves? It seems terribly useful ...
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:22:51 PM


I've given up on humans. Not the Universe (or at least the Multiverse). Huge difference. As has been noted (Cormac McCarthy play), the reason there are millions of planets (lot more actually) is because some species lay millions of eggs (or some such). Guess what kind of egg we are? The kind that doesn't hatch.

You're the one who can't get over "nihilism", which is just a word. Would you like living in a house with psychopaths your whole life? Would you say the point in such a situation is to "stay alive" so you can fuck and look out the window at a pretty tree and raise kids to live alongside the psychopaths? You people are out of your fucking minds.

You are human no?  You've given up on humans yes?  So you have given up on yourself...unless you are not human. 

Nihilism is not just a word, it's a word that designates a philosophy.  A philosophy that believes in nothing. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism)

Quote
Nihilism is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.

Also, you used the term "psychopath" here and then went on some unintelligible rant about how I needed to crack the code of existence to explain what the term means. 

Then you state that "you people are out of your fucking minds."  Yet somehow my suggesting that you are a nihilist and possible psychopathic is out of order?  Yet we are all ignorant and out of our minds? 

By the way, welcome to the Diner.

Yes, to give up on humans would be to give up on one's self. Does the supposed semantic content of my writing actually reflect the dynamic of this forum conversation? You don't think there's more meaning in our interaction than the marks we've scribbled? Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words seem to ruin people.

Nihilism isn't just a word, but it's a philosophy? And that makes philosophy not just a word then? Philosophy has become the creation of self-satisfying false edifice. Meaning is in dynamic. I've always wanted to "kill" philosophy, but how do you kill something dead?

It's a pleasure to be at the Diner. You are the wisest people I've had the pleasure to talk to.

If you don't have some type of philosophy than I think by default you are indeed a nihilist since that's pretty much what the philosophy of nihilism is about. 

We can't communicate without words.  You are on a forum that requires us to use words to communicate.  Words are just words...yes...but they are meant to convey meaning.  A word is meaningless without many other words to define it.  A philosophy is composed of many words.  Words making ideas possible. 

I'm not sure what you are gaming at.

We need adaptive narratives, not philosophy. No time to explain. Then you can say "But isn't that the same as a philosophy?!"

Or we can try to pass on human experience using the clumsy tools we have without categorizing them.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:23:55 PM

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.

I don't just play shakuhachi...I also make shakuhachi...and grow the bamboo to make shakuhachi. 

Shakuhachi being a zen activity that requires no words.  Just perfection in sound through bamboo.

I feel you're more "useful" than me then. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but it's a hard thing to learn.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 01:32:07 PM

I'm afraid if you find this too much then this isn't the place for me. Of course - I don't believe what you're saying. It doesn't make sense.

You could say anything at all - call me any name. Post any rant. Whatever. How come I can handle it?

The swearing stays until you're used to it or you can ban me. I'll probably head to Missouri in any case.

Fuck you. Fuck me. Words words words ...

If what we are saying doesn't make sense to you, then you are wasting your time here.  It would be like going to a forum where everything was in Sanskrit, but you don't know Sanskrit.

Far as handling being called any name is concerned, ust about all of us have been called names at one point or another and we all handle it in our own ways.  Your way apparently is to go on the attack.  You apparently have a desire to make everyone dislike you, which probably goes back a long ways.  You told me you were a "juvenile delinquent", and nobody likes those even though they are kids.

On the banning issue, I'll just give you a time out if you cause enough havoc.  Right now, I think at least a few of the Diners including myself are enjoying the decompensation exhibition.  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 01:34:59 PM

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.

I don't just play shakuhachi...I also make shakuhachi...and grow the bamboo to make shakuhachi. 

Shakuhachi being a zen activity that requires no words.  Just perfection in sound through bamboo.

I feel you're more "useful" than me then. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but it's a hard thing to learn.

Yes, it's very difficult to learn to play shakuhachi.  Yet anybody can do it.  You just have to develop an appropriate embouchure, and that is developed via blowing onto the uta guchi until sound is made.  It just takes dedication and a lot of blowing while making only whistling sounds.  Eventually one's embouchure is sufficiently developed and sound begins to spring forth from the shakuhachi. 

Making is difficult to.  I have a mentor from Japan who is teaching me how.  I've made two flutes so far with his assistance.  The next I will make without his assistance...sort of a test I think.  I also split bamboo with a traditional Japanese blade for the purposes of weaving basketry.  This winter I'll be learning to craft with bamboo. 

I'm a bit bamboo crazy. 

I'm no more useful than you are.  We all have a purpose for being alive.  At least that is part of my own philosophy.  I find it much more hopeful than nihilism. 
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: Eddie on November 28, 2016, 01:38:25 PM
We need adaptive narratives, not philosophy. No time to explain. Then you can say "But isn't that the same as a philosophy?!"

Or we can try to pass on human experience using the clumsy tools we have without categorizing them.


Oh, I get it now.


`You should learn not to make personal remarks,’ Alice said with some severity; `it’s very rude.’

The Hatter opened his eyes very wide on hearing this; but all he SAID was, `Why is a raven like a writing-desk?’

`Come, we shall have some fun now!’ thought Alice. `I’m glad they’ve begun asking riddles.–I believe I can guess that,’ she added aloud.

`Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?’ said the March Hare.

`Exactly so,’ said Alice.

`Then you should say what you mean,’ the March Hare went on.

`I do,’ Alice hastily replied; `at least–at least I mean what I say–that’s the same thing, you know.’

`Not the same thing a bit!’ said the Hatter. `You might just as well say that “I see what I eat” is the same thing as “I eat what I see”!’

`You might just as well say,’ added the March Hare, `that “I like what I get” is the same thing as “I get what I like”!’

`You might just as well say,’ added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, `that “I breathe when I sleep” is the same thing as “I sleep when I breathe”!’

`It IS the same thing with you,’ said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a minute, while Alice thought over all she could remember about ravens and writing-desks, which wasn’t much.

The Hatter was the first to break the silence. `What day of the month is it?’ he said, turning to Alice: he had taken his watch out of his pocket, and was looking at it uneasily, shaking it every now and then, and holding it to his ear.

Alice considered a little, and then said `The fourth.’

`Two days wrong!’ sighed the Hatter. `I told you butter wouldn’t suit the works!’ he added looking angrily at the March Hare.

`It was the BEST butter,’ the March Hare meekly replied.

`Yes, but some crumbs must have got in as well,’ the Hatter grumbled: `you shouldn’t have put it in with the bread-knife.’

The March Hare took the watch and looked at it gloomily: then he dipped it into his cup of tea, and looked at it again: but he could think of nothing better to say than his first remark, `It was the BEST butter, you know.’

Alice had been looking over his shoulder with some curiosity. `What a funny watch!’ she remarked. `It tells the day of the month, and doesn’t tell what o’clock it is!’

`Why should it?’ muttered the Hatter. `Does YOUR watch tell you what year it is?’

`Of course not,’ Alice replied very readily: `but that’s because it stays the same year for such a long time together.’

`Which is just the case with MINE,’ said the Hatter.

Alice felt dreadfully puzzled. The Hatter’s remark seemed to have no sort of meaning in it, and yet it was certainly English. `I don’t quite understand you,’ she said, as politely as she could.

`The Dormouse is asleep again,’ said the Hatter, and he poured a little hot tea upon its nose.

The Dormouse shook its head impatiently, and said, without opening its eyes, `Of course, of course; just what I was going to remark myself.’

`Have you guessed the riddle yet?’ the Hatter said, turning to Alice again.

`No, I give it up,’ Alice replied: `what’s the answer?’

`I haven’t the slightest idea,’ said the Hatter.

`Nor I,’ said the March Hare




Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:39:37 PM

I'm afraid if you find this too much then this isn't the place for me. Of course - I don't believe what you're saying. It doesn't make sense.

You could say anything at all - call me any name. Post any rant. Whatever. How come I can handle it?

The swearing stays until you're used to it or you can ban me. I'll probably head to Missouri in any case.

Fuck you. Fuck me. Words words words ...

If what we are saying doesn't make sense to you, then you are wasting your time here.  It would be like going to a forum where everything was in Sanskrit, but you don't know Sanskrit.

Far as handling being called any name is concerned, ust about all of us have been called names at one point or another and we all handle it in our own ways.  Your way apparently is to go on the attack.  You apparently have a desire to make everyone dislike you, which probably goes back a long ways.  You told me you were a "juvenile delinquent", and nobody likes those even though they are kids.

On the banning issue, I'll just give you a time out if you cause enough havoc.  Right now, I think at least a few of the Diners including myself are enjoying the decompensation exhibition.  :icon_sunny:

RE

Why would you enjoy it? Isn't it petty to trivialize what society has done to the minds of so many people when you see the destruction it has wrought on the world. Is that what you do? Lure damaged people in here to watch them? I'm watching you too. You think this is a one way street?

Of course, I don't believe what you said. It simply makes no sense.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:42:33 PM

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.

I don't just play shakuhachi...I also make shakuhachi...and grow the bamboo to make shakuhachi. 

Shakuhachi being a zen activity that requires no words.  Just perfection in sound through bamboo.

I feel you're more "useful" than me then. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but it's a hard thing to learn.

Yes, it's very difficult to learn to play shakuhachi.  Yet anybody can do it.  You just have to develop an appropriate embouchure, and that is developed via blowing onto the uta guchi until sound is made.  It just takes dedication and a lot of blowing while making only whistling sounds.  Eventually one's embouchure is sufficiently developed and sound begins to spring forth from the shakuhachi. 

Making is difficult to.  I have a mentor from Japan who is teaching me how.  I've made two flutes so far with his assistance.  The next I will make without his assistance...sort of a test I think.  I also split bamboo with a traditional Japanese blade for the purposes of weaving basketry.  This winter I'll be learning to craft with bamboo. 

I'm a bit bamboo crazy. 

I'm no more useful than you are.  We all have a purpose for being alive.  At least that is part of my own philosophy.  I find it much more hopeful than nihilism.

All I can say is that I tried in my way to say I'm not a nihilist. Nihilism is a threat - the world damaged me, and I saw it damaging the world. Nihilism was my weapon. Can I put it down now?
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 01:49:03 PM

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.

I don't just play shakuhachi...I also make shakuhachi...and grow the bamboo to make shakuhachi. 

Shakuhachi being a zen activity that requires no words.  Just perfection in sound through bamboo.

I feel you're more "useful" than me then. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but it's a hard thing to learn.

Yes, it's very difficult to learn to play shakuhachi.  Yet anybody can do it.  You just have to develop an appropriate embouchure, and that is developed via blowing onto the uta guchi until sound is made.  It just takes dedication and a lot of blowing while making only whistling sounds.  Eventually one's embouchure is sufficiently developed and sound begins to spring forth from the shakuhachi. 

Making is difficult to.  I have a mentor from Japan who is teaching me how.  I've made two flutes so far with his assistance.  The next I will make without his assistance...sort of a test I think.  I also split bamboo with a traditional Japanese blade for the purposes of weaving basketry.  This winter I'll be learning to craft with bamboo. 

I'm a bit bamboo crazy. 

I'm no more useful than you are.  We all have a purpose for being alive.  At least that is part of my own philosophy.  I find it much more hopeful than nihilism.

All I can say is that I tried in my way to say I'm not a nihilist. Nihilism is a threat - the world damaged me, and I saw it damaging the world. Nihilism was my weapon. Can I put it down now?

maybe lay off the hallucinogenics for a while and then get back to us.   :WTF:

 :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 01:50:32 PM

Why would you enjoy it? Isn't it petty to trivialize what society has done to the minds of so many people when you see the destruction it has wrought on the world. Is that what you do? Lure damaged people in here to watch them? I'm watching you too. You think this is a one way street?

Of course, I don't believe what you said. It simply makes no sense.

Because it's something different.  We mostly all know each other a long time, so keeping the conversation interesting can be a challenge, though most of us long timers can find something to talk about each day.  You're like a Breath of Fresh Air though!  Something different!  :icon_sunny:

Far as luring people into the Diner goes, I am a Fisherman.  Occassionally I get a bite.  You bit the hook.

RE
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:53:55 PM

maybe lay off the hallucinogenics for a while and then get back to us.   :WTF:

 :icon_scratch:

Lay off the Universe? Pray tell how? What's wrong with hallucinogenics in any case? Do they reveal forbidden subjective spaces? Who forbade them? You guys? Can you point to who made you such Gods? I need some answers.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:54:54 PM

Why would you enjoy it? Isn't it petty to trivialize what society has done to the minds of so many people when you see the destruction it has wrought on the world. Is that what you do? Lure damaged people in here to watch them? I'm watching you too. You think this is a one way street?

Of course, I don't believe what you said. It simply makes no sense.

Because it's something different.  We mostly all know each other a long time, so keeping the conversation interesting can be a challenge, though most of us long timers can find something to talk about each day.  You're like a Breath of Fresh Air though!  Something different!  :icon_sunny:

Far as luring people into the Diner goes, I am a Fisherman.  Occassionally I get a bite.  You bit the hook.

RE

What do you call a fish looking for hooks to bite?
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: jdwheeler42 on November 28, 2016, 01:55:53 PM
Most words are "name calling".
Indeed!  Are you familiar with Marshall B. Rosenberg's Non-Violent Communication?  Not only does he consider "You are an ignorant troll!" to be Violent Communication, but also so is "You are a wonderful chef!" ("I enjoy the dishes you cook" being an example of NVC.)
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 01:57:50 PM
What do you call a fish looking for hooks to bite?

A Hungry Fish.

RE
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 01:58:51 PM
What do you call a fish looking for hooks to bite?

A Hungry Fish.

RE

Starving, more likely. Also, "decompression" is victim blaming.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 28, 2016, 01:59:51 PM

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.

I don't just play shakuhachi...I also make shakuhachi...and grow the bamboo to make shakuhachi. 

Shakuhachi being a zen activity that requires no words.  Just perfection in sound through bamboo.

I feel you're more "useful" than me then. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but it's a hard thing to learn.

Yes, it's very difficult to learn to play shakuhachi.  Yet anybody can do it.  You just have to develop an appropriate embouchure, and that is developed via blowing onto the uta guchi until sound is made.  It just takes dedication and a lot of blowing while making only whistling sounds.  Eventually one's embouchure is sufficiently developed and sound begins to spring forth from the shakuhachi. 

Making is difficult to.  I have a mentor from Japan who is teaching me how.  I've made two flutes so far with his assistance.  The next I will make without his assistance...sort of a test I think.  I also split bamboo with a traditional Japanese blade for the purposes of weaving basketry.  This winter I'll be learning to craft with bamboo. 

I'm a bit bamboo crazy. 

I'm no more useful than you are.  We all have a purpose for being alive.  At least that is part of my own philosophy.  I find it much more hopeful than nihilism.

All I can say is that I tried in my way to say I'm not a nihilist. Nihilism is a threat - the world damaged me, and I saw it damaging the world. Nihilism was my weapon. Can I put it down now?


The world didn't damage you. You just aren't mentally equipped yet to resonate above 3D.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on November 28, 2016, 02:01:11 PM

maybe lay off the hallucinogenics for a while and then get back to us.   :WTF:

 :icon_scratch:

Lay off the Universe? Pray tell how? What's wrong with hallucinogenics in any case? Do they reveal forbidden subjective spaces? Who forbade them? You guys? Can you point to who made you such Gods? I need some answers.

Right :emthup:

Nothing wrong with hallucinogens.  I've used them a time or two myself and they do wonders for providing humans with an understanding of existence and meaning. 

I'm just saying, if you are hallucinating then it may come out as gibberish to observes on a forum.  Just a possible explanation for your behavior thus far.  Just my professional medical opinion having run into hallucinogens gone bad during my time on the meat wagon. 
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 02:04:43 PM
What's wrong with hallucinogenics in any case?

We're not against hallucionogenics here on the Diner.

(https://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/0513e7744ec2b8245112b1aee153618cc05820.jpg?v=3)

However, depending on the individual, different drugs can have different effect on people.  For instance, Alcohol makes some people very mean, while others it makes jolly and fun.

I suggest looking for a drug that makes you jolly and fun instead of mean and nasty.  Just a suggestion.

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 02:08:07 PM
What do you call a fish looking for hooks to bite?

A Hungry Fish.

RE

Starving, more likely. Also, "decompression" is victim blaming.

Decompression is what happens when you come up from SCUBA Diving.

RE
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 02:40:44 PM
Most words are "name calling".
Indeed!  Are you familiar with Marshall B. Rosenberg's Non-Violent Communication?  Not only does he consider "You are an ignorant troll!" to be Violent Communication, but also so is "You are a wonderful chef!" ("I enjoy the dishes you cook" being an example of NVC.)

Not familiar with Rosenberg, but the reasoning can't be denied. The changes to language required to remove such "violence" would be intimidating.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 02:42:05 PM

The world didn't damage you.

Yes, I would say not.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 02:43:42 PM


I'm just saying, if you are hallucinating then it may come out as gibberish to observes on a forum.

I'm sober and I think this is the explanation so far.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 02:48:00 PM
What do you call a fish looking for hooks to bite?

A Hungry Fish.

RE

Starving, more likely. Also, "decompression" is victim blaming.

Decompression is what happens when you come up from SCUBA Diving.

RE

I almost like this analogy. It is dark down there, but the ocean is beautiful. Where I was didn't seem to be.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 02:54:52 PM
What do you call a fish looking for hooks to bite?

A Hungry Fish.

RE

Starving, more likely. Also, "decompression" is victim blaming.

Decompression is what happens when you come up from SCUBA Diving.

RE

I almost like this analogy. It is dark down there, but the ocean is beautiful. Where I was didn't seem to be.

(http://designafearlesslife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Its-Always-Darkest-Before-The-Dawn.jpg)

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 03:29:38 PM

It's always darkest before dawn.

This will be my last reply this evening, but if this is the case it's because we've made it such. It's darkest when the sun is furthest from dawn. Interestingly then, to shift the darkness closer to dawn takes energy and resources ... :) That's a pretty expensive narrative.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 04:10:44 PM

It's always darkest before dawn.

This will be my last reply this evening, but if this is the case it's because we've made it such.

Who's the "We" here?  I'm not  a member of this club.  I did not create the Universe, and I take no responsibility for it being darkest before dawn.  That was just the Universe I was born into.

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 04:39:32 PM

It's always darkest before dawn.

This will be my last reply this evening, but if this is the case it's because we've made it such.

Who's the "We" here?  I'm not  a member of this club.  I did not create the Universe, and I take no responsibility for it being darkest before dawn.  That was just the Universe I was born into.

RE

I guess I didn't want to leave for the evening. Well played again. I've been living in a world where understanding didn't seem to apply to our species. I used to tell my ex-wife that "intelligence is worthless" over and over. I can't be blamed for thinking this way. I'm happy it's not true. I'm also happy I don't hate her anymore, which is one of the best things about all this. I thought she was killing my son and I thought I had ruined my son and family/friends (e.g. directly threatening the CIA/NSA, but there were a lot of shenanigans). I felt I had to make a horrible existential decision, and I had to suppress the consequences. Sacrificing yourself is trivial. Sacrificing others is the worst decision you can make. Spock's advice applies. It must be done at times, but it's not easy when you're hypersensitive as opposed to half-dead like he must deliberately try to be (being half-human).

I read so many stories of our history of torture and imprisonment (and current stories, but I don't know what's true anymore - another interesting state to be in after all this ...). I knew everything I was saying and doing was being watched. I though I was being used to train psycho/sociopaths - whatever the hell those are. I also understood how networked people were and how easily words could get around - destroying a life in this world would be easier than crushing an ant. I know that I could have crushed easily, but was instead just driven along a precipice. This was not a fun game at the time. I also have curious ideas about the "feelings of Hell" subjectivity can generate. I'd actually like to explore those, somehow, if I could, and can come back to tell about it. I mean this in a "scientific curiosity" way. People will strap themselves to rockets. Fine. I want to see what neurological horror is possible (and neurological good). Supposedly there's a guy getting a head transplant. Could be one of these games, but I respect that curiosity.

I can see why you enjoy this though. It's okay .
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 05:09:09 PM

It's always darkest before dawn.

This will be my last reply this evening, but if this is the case it's because we've made it such.

Who's the "We" here?  I'm not  a member of this club.  I did not create the Universe, and I take no responsibility for it being darkest before dawn.  That was just the Universe I was born into.

RE

I guess I didn't want to leave for the evening. Well played again. I've been living in a world where understanding didn't seem to apply to our species. I used to tell my ex-wife that "intelligence is worthless" over and over. I can't be blamed for thinking this way. I'm happy it's not true. I'm also happy I don't hate her anymore, which is one of the best things about all this. I thought she was killing my son and I thought I had ruined my son and family/friends (e.g. directly threatening the CIA/NSA, but there were a lot of shenanigans). I felt I had to make a horrible existential decision, and I had to suppress the consequences. Sacrificing yourself is trivial. Sacrificing others is the worst decision you can make. Spock's advice applies. It must be done at times, but it's not easy when you're hypersensitive as opposed to half-dead like he must deliberately try to be (being half-human).

I read so many stories of our history of torture and imprisonment (and current stories, but I don't know what's true anymore - another interesting state to be in after all this ...). I knew everything I was saying and doing was being watched. I though I was being used to train psycho/sociopaths - whatever the hell those are. I also understood how networked people were and how easily words could get around - destroying a life in this world would be easier than crushing an ant. I know that I could have crushed easily, but was instead just driven along a precipice. This was not a fun game at the time. I also have curious ideas about the "feelings of Hell" subjectivity can generate. I'd actually like to explore those, somehow, if I could, and can come back to tell about it. I mean this in a "scientific curiosity" way. People will strap themselves to rockets. Fine. I want to see what neurological horror is possible (and neurological good). Supposedly there's a guy getting a head transplant. Could be one of these games, but I respect that curiosity.

I can see why you enjoy this though. It's okay .

About time you stopped trying to antagonize everyone on the Diner.  Perhaps now we can have a reasonable discussion about these issues.

You won't get very far fucking with me in any event.  It takes a LOT to piss me off, but when I do get pissed off I use all the tools I have at my disposal as Admin.  POWER OF GOD ON A FORUM.

Beyond that, here on the Diner I am the OWNER of the establishment as well as an Admin.  There are other admins here and they often do not agree with me, but usually we can come to a reasonable decision.  Not always though.  When we can't all agree, then I make the final decision.  I am DICTATOR FOR LIFE on the Diner.

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: jdwheeler42 on November 28, 2016, 05:51:40 PM
Who's the "We" here?  I'm not  a member of this club.  I did not create the Universe, and I take no responsibility for it being darkest before dawn.  That was just the Universe I was born into.
That amnesia sure comes in handy, sometimes, don't it?   :exp-wink: :exp-angel: :exp-grin:
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 06:05:36 PM
Who's the "We" here?  I'm not  a member of this club.  I did not create the Universe, and I take no responsibility for it being darkest before dawn.  That was just the Universe I was born into.
That amnesia sure comes in handy, sometimes, don't it?   :exp-wink: :exp-angel: :exp-grin:

What Amnesia?  I think I recall most of my life, although there are some drunken blackouts sprinkled in. I never recall though agreeing to the industrial economy.  I just had to participate in it or I would be dead already.

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: azozeo on November 28, 2016, 06:36:13 PM
Who's the "We" here?  I'm not  a member of this club.  I did not create the Universe, and I take no responsibility for it being darkest before dawn.  That was just the Universe I was born into.
That amnesia sure comes in handy, sometimes, don't it?   :exp-wink: :exp-angel: :exp-grin:

What Amnesia?  I think I recall most of my life, although there are some drunken blackouts sprinkled in. I never recall though agreeing to the industrial economy.  I just had to participate in it or I would be dead already.

RE


You remember all your firstie's, but the twosies through umpties, it's all a blurr...
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on November 28, 2016, 06:42:42 PM
Who's the "We" here?  I'm not  a member of this club.  I did not create the Universe, and I take no responsibility for it being darkest before dawn.  That was just the Universe I was born into.
That amnesia sure comes in handy, sometimes, don't it?   :exp-wink: :exp-angel: :exp-grin:

What Amnesia?  I think I recall most of my life, although there are some drunken blackouts sprinkled in. I never recall though agreeing to the industrial economy.  I just had to participate in it or I would be dead already.

RE


You remember all your firstie's, but the twosies through umpties, it's all a blurr...

My Firstie was GREAT!  :icon_sunny:

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Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on November 28, 2016, 07:15:19 PM

 I am the OWNER of the establishment as well as an Admin.


If the word is important to you I won't try to erase it from your mind.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: jdwheeler42 on November 28, 2016, 09:31:38 PM
What Amnesia?  I think I recall most of myTHIS life
Fixed that for ya....
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on December 07, 2016, 09:39:21 PM
I'm back. RE said he could take out Nihilism. I'm willing to have a rational conversation if he thinks he can do this. I have full confidence that he can't, but I'm willing to put my intelligence on the line in front of a live studio audience if he is.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: RE on December 08, 2016, 12:48:51 AM
I'm back. RE said he could take out Nihilism. I'm willing to have a rational conversation if he thinks he can do this. I have full confidence that he can't, but I'm willing to put my intelligence on the line in front of a live studio audience if he is.

If you want to have a reasonable conversation about Nihilism and can be respectful of others while you do it, a good start would be to begin a new thread on this topic and to write an OP setting out your position.  I suggest placing the thread on the Doom Psychology forum.

RE
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: CthulhuWins on December 08, 2016, 06:46:33 AM
I'm back. RE said he could take out Nihilism. I'm willing to have a rational conversation if he thinks he can do this. I have full confidence that he can't, but I'm willing to put my intelligence on the line in front of a live studio audience if he is.

If you want to have a reasonable conversation about Nihilism and can be respectful of others while you do it, a good start would be to begin a new thread on this topic and to write an OP setting out your position.  I suggest placing the thread on the Doom Psychology forum.

RE

Will do. I'll avoid the words that trigger the neurological subsets associated with the states of discomfort we label "disrespectful". Hopefully this will facilitate everyone's information processing.
Title: Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
Post by: luciddreams on December 08, 2016, 06:55:15 AM
I'm back. RE said he could take out Nihilism. I'm willing to have a rational conversation if he thinks he can do this. I have full confidence that he can't, but I'm willing to put my intelligence on the line in front of a live studio audience if he is.

If you want to have a reasonable conversation about Nihilism and can be respectful of others while you do it, a good start would be to begin a new thread on this topic and to write an OP setting out your position.  I suggest placing the thread on the Doom Psychology forum.

RE

Will do. I'll avoid the words that trigger the neurological subsets associated with the states of discomfort we label "disrespectful". Hopefully this will facilitate everyone's information processing.

Cool, I look forward to getting to know the sane CW.  I mean, be as insane as you want to be, just do it while making sense so that we can follow you. 

Personally I understand the philosophy that is Buddhist in nature.  Everything that is, is, and it is neither good nor bad but the expression of creation.  For anything to manifest in reality requires duality to process through the human mind.  And so it is, and so if we are to take each others personalities seriously, especially via the format of the written word, then we must follow some rules of engagement.  Making sense being the most important.  Believe what you want to believe.  Write what you want to write.  But when you start writing nonsense you should expect what you got.