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Title: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on March 06, 2012, 03:29:25 PM

   
      
   
   
      
         
         
                     
                        
                           Cagey musher race-rest Iditarod strategies revealed
                        
                            
                        
                           
                              Zack Steer | Mar 06, 2012
                           
                           
                              
                                 
                                    
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                                 A conga line of dog teams stretched out early Tuesday morning between the Iditarod checkpoints of Rohn and Nikolai. The usual suspects -- Baker, Mackey, and Gebhardt -- were among the leaders, with more than 40 teams almost evenly spaced along the 40-mile straightaway that is the Farewell Burn.
                              


                                 Stop for more than a couple minutes to snack your dogs or check their booties, and you were likely to have a musher or two pass by. For up to 36 hours each year, this lonely and remote section of trail becomes a dog-team highway. About half of the top-30 teams stayed in the Rohn checkpoint to rest, another 15 or so decided to camp near the trail. 
                              


                                 If politics makes strange bedfellows, mushing makes for odd camping partners. I would have loved to hear the conversations and stories told between Mitch Seavey, Jeff King, Aliy Zirkle, Cim Smyth and Michelle Phillips as they camped together along Tin Creek, 20 miles outside of Rohn. I’m sure this group of highly skilled mushers does not gather for tea on a regular basis.
                              
                                 Frequent, short breaks
                              


                                 Individual musher strategies are starting to emerge based on run-rest schedules and the musher’s choices of resting stops. The last couple years some mushers have talked about “two runs to Rohn.” It didn’t happen this year due to the slightly slower trail. Almost all the teams ran to Rohn in at least three hops and a few copied John Baker’s 2011 strategy of four runs with more frequent, short breaks.
                              
                                 
                                    
                                       
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      Photos: Iditarod 2012 -- Scenes from Puntilla Lake and Rainy Pass
                                                   
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                                                      The Iditarod's only five-time champion, Rick Swenson, crossing Rainy Pass on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      Lance Mackey keeps an eye on departing mushers while he prepares his team to leave Puntilla Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
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                                                      Photos: Iditarod 2012 -- Scenes from Puntilla Lake and Rainy Pass
                                                   
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                                                      A dog rests on Puntilla Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      Bucky Winkley takes his 1924 Ford Model T snow machine out for a ride on Puntilla Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
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                                                      Jeff King relaxes during a rest stop at Puntilla Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      Photos: Iditarod 2012 -- Scenes from Puntilla Lake and Rainy Pass
                                                   
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                                                      Lance Mackey prepares his team to leave Puntilla Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      Dogs in John Baker's team rest at the Puntilla Lake checkpoint on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      John Baker keeps an eye on Lance Mackey while putting booties on his dogs at Puntilla Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
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                                                      John Baker's dog Ripple takes advantage of every last second of sleep, even while getting fresh booties put on.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      Photos: Iditarod 2012 -- Scenes from Puntilla Lake and Rainy Pass
                                                   
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                                                      The Iditarod's only five-time champion, Rick Swenson, approaching Rainy Pass on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      A musher heads out of Puntilla Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      A musher heads out of Puntilla Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      DeeDee Jonrowe heads out of Puntilla Lake towards Rainy Pass on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
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                                                      A musher and their team approaching Rainy Pass on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      A musher and their team approaching Rainy Pass on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
                                                      Loren Holmes photo
                                                
                                             
                                          
                                          
                                             
                                                
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                                                      Sigrid Ekran puts fresh runners on her sled during a rest stop at Puntilla Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
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                                                      Sigrid Ekran puts fresh runners on her sled during a rest stop at Puntilla Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
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                                                      A musher heads towards Rainy Pass on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
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                                                      A musher and their team traverse Rainy Pass Lake on Monday, March 5, 2012.
                                                   
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                                 Jake Berkowitz is clearly employing Baker’s previous race plan by stopping almost three hours in each of the first three checkpoints. Baker recycled the same strategy this year, only he opted to rest outside Skwentna rather than at the busy, often-distracting checkpoint.  Baker’s plan relies on frequent, short rests in the beginning of the race. The idea is that it eases the dogs into their race schedule and makes them stronger toward the finish when the musher will drastically increase the run times by skipping checkpoints.
                              


                                 Opposite Baker’s plan is the “Neff scheme.” I remember watching the Looney Tunes cartoons on Saturday mornings, there was a little Terrier named Chester who constantly runs his mouth and bothers Spike the bulldog -- until Spike slaps him and says, “Ahhhh…shut up!” Eventually Chester saves the day and the bulldog becomes Chester’s lapdog. Neff’s plan is to stick on the heels of the fastest musher he can find (usually Mackey) and ride his or her coattails towards the finish, hoping he can pass them at the end. When he is not pestering them on the trail, he is usually peppering them with questions, stories and opinion at checkpoints.
                              


                                 The press love Neff; most mushers tolerate him. His chatter can be annoying as hell, but it works. Last month, Neff beat a talented Allen Moore team (which Aliy Zirkle is running in the Iditarod this year) to win the Yukon Quest by employing this exact strategy. Neff’s steady progress up the ranks in Iditarod finishes over the past five years is testament to his scheme’s success.
                              


                                 The trail has been relatively easy on dogs. Most teams have at least 14 still in harness and quite a few are still running the 16 they started with in Willow. The trail has also been very easy on mushers and their sleds. Usually, we hear the horror stories of the Happy River Steps, Dalzell Gorge and Post Glacier. Carnage typically comes in the form of broken bones, sled and egos. This year has been smooth mushing for almost every musher.
                              
                                 
                              


                                  
                              


                                 As of Tuesday afternoon, there have been no scratches and no significant injuries. Compare that to Iditarod 2007, when 15 teams were out of the race by the Rohn checkpoint. This race has been very kind. Still, there's more than 750 miles of challenging trail to go.
                              
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                                 Mushers are setting themselves up for their mandatory 24 hour rest, usually taken at the musher’s discretion somewhere between McGrath and Ruby. The typical strategy is to “race to your rest,” meaning taking a few long runs just prior to the extended break. After 24 hours, the teams should be ready to resume a race strategy. There are many factors mushers use to decide where to take their 24-hour layover. The choice has much less to do with how far into the race mushers have travelled and much more to do with how the runs after the 24 are set up regarding checkpoint distances, dog-dropping options and time-of-day run schedule.
                              


                                  
                              
                                 
                                    
                                       
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Iditarod 2011: Takotna (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/slideshow/iditarod-2011-takotna)
                                                      
                                                      
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                                    Takotna is a very popular 24-hour sled-dog pit stop. Besides its well-known hospitality (every musher enjoys a steak and all-you-can-eat homemade pie table), the checkpoint is also popular due to its logistical advantages. The fact that it is just 20 miles from the next checkpoint of Ophir allows mushers the option to observe their dogs on the line -- perhaps seeing how a dog with a slight injury responds -- before committing to take such a dog on a long run, such as Ophir to Cripple. If you layover in Ophir, you had better choose your dogs wisely before starting the 75-mile trek to Cripple, otherwise you’ll end up with a speed-sapping dog or two in your sled.  
                                 


                                    Mushers also want to come out of their 24-hour rest at a time of day that is best for running -- not in middle-of-the-day heat. This means ideally they arrive at their chosen layover spot 4-6 a.m. or 4-6 p.m. Once the start differential is accounted for, mushers can depart at a good time of day. Most top mushers have packed supplies in advance that will allow them up to three checkpoint options for the 24-hour layover.
                                 


                                    Of course, this decision requires a high degree of mental math on the back of the runners tonight as mushers ponder where to stop. Add to the mix the cumulative effect of sleep deprivation on cognitive skills.
                                 


                                    If the mushers do the math wrong, they may find themselves in the wrong checkpoint at the wrong time of day.
                                 


                                    Zack Steer, a five-time Iditarod finisher, is sitting out this year's race as wife Anjanette takes the kennel's team to Nome. He owns and operates the Sheep Mountain Lodge (http://www.sheepmountain.com/) with Anjanette and 2 young boys. Zack will bring a competitive racer’s analysis to this year’s Iditarod coverage. Zack maintains a small kennel of racing sled dogs, who are much happier to be taking Anjanette (100 pounds lighter than Zack) to Nome this year. Follow Zack’s race analysis at Alaska Dispatch (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/section/iditarod).
                              
                           
                        
                     
                  
      
Title: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 09, 2012, 01:28:34 AM

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OK Poetry Lovers, the FFDR is REBORN!.  I am probably not going to bother migrating the posts from the "Musings from the Last Great Frontier" Thread, there were not that many over there to begin with and might as well start Fresh here.

For Newbies, the Frostbite Falls Daily Rant was the title I used for my blogging on TBP while I still had those priviledges on Jimbo Quinn's Blog.  In the future, all my dumbass blogging will go into this thread, hopefully worthy of Bullwinkle himself.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 09, 2012, 01:55:11 AM
Also, before anyone else sticks it up, I'll drop on the Bullwinkle Assassinated Graphic :-)

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on April 09, 2012, 02:37:43 AM
Excellent news.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 09, 2012, 01:18:18 PM
I had a feeling you would like this Title :-)

Even better now since I can put up Peabody & Sherman Vids along with the Bullwinkle pics!

http://www.youtube.com/v/kpgJzlY9y8A

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on April 09, 2012, 02:03:52 PM
"We replaced a democracy with a monarchy based on primogeniture?"

Now THAT is some funny stuff!

And you are right about the name-- time to bring it back in its full glory. It was on one of those posts where I first encountered you, stepping as I did through the swamps of libertarian excess and hosing the Ron and Rand Paul off my boots . . .

I remember thinking at the time that this Jim Quinn must be a smart, highly self confident man to feature such a range of bloggers and viewpoints. This was before the Jekyll-Hyde thing became apparent, and he started rewriting posts he disagreed with.

Twerp.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 09, 2012, 03:38:06 PM
"We replaced a democracy with a monarchy based on primogeniture?"

Now THAT is some funny stuff!

And you are right about the name-- time to bring it back in its full glory. It was on one of those posts where I first encountered you, stepping as I did through the swamps of libertarian excess and hosing the Ron and Rand Paul off my boots . . .

I remember thinking at the time that this Jim Quinn must be a smart, highly self confident man to feature such a range of bloggers and viewpoints. This was before the Jekyll-Hyde thing became apparent, and he started rewriting posts he disagreed with.

Twerp.

Ah, the Good Old Days....

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 09, 2012, 04:11:01 PM
I wonder if I should make a seprate thread just for the Hitler Parodies?

http://www.youtube.com/v/I0mhX9hpq3g

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 09, 2012, 09:39:24 PM
Count this experiment a FAIL.  Its not maintaining formatting very well.  Back to the drawing board.

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Hi Ho Poetry Lovers!

I'm just messing around here with SMF Code to see if I could get a nice little layout to work with here in the Daily Rant.  It's a bit tricky, but not impossible to do.  If you "quote" this post, you'll see how all the code is laid out.  You could actually use this same layout simply by pasting over the text I am now writing, substitute your own Pic or Vid, etc.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/zoS_uV6KJ-sGoing Ex-Pat

So, does this video encourage you to join Doug Casey in Argentina or Speedy Gonzalo Lira in Cheelay?

Not me.  Send Lawyers, Guns & Money!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 10, 2012, 12:41:04 AM
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Chat with Trit on TAE

OK, I gotta stop messing with code here and use the KISS Principle here on the Forum.  Laying out HTML is bad enough, BBcode is WORSE!  I'll just go with some basic floats and forget the stupid tables in BBcode, they don't work too good.

Anyhow, I am having a nice chat with Triv on TAE, which brings up some old questions we plow into all the time, namely whether our Illuminati Masters will be able to retain control through the collapse.  Anyhow, for my Rant tonight I'll just paste in my last reply to Triv, which is the only worthwhile thing I wrote tonight since I wasted my time messing with BBcode here in the forum.

I'm including the Bojangles and Shirley Temple Vid for no other reason than Entertainment  ::)

http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=15&id=1952&Itemid=96#2150

 
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I'm not going to quibble about trying to fix a precise number to the very TOP of the Food Chain here, other than to say I think it is more than 100 but less than 10,000, for a 2 order of magnitude spread of possibilities. In any event in a world with 7B people, its a very small fraction that run the show and call the shots here.
 
In any group of such size, there are going to be factions with different agendas and priorities. This is not a uniform group by any means IMHO. The "battle" here at the moment is mainly at the Top, even though of course J6P is currently taking the biggest hit here in terms of wealth expropriation. Nevertheless, its the top players who are positioning themselves with respect to each other on the Chess Board.
 
To extend the Chess metaphor somewhat, imagine a board where all the Pawns have been wiped out. This basically is equivalent to eviscerating all the wealth of the Middle and Lower classes of society, leaving them with nothing. The game is not OVER though, because Bishops and Knights still cruise around the Chessboard looking to gain control of more squares. They only have EACH OTHER to fight at this point, the Pawns are gone from the game.
 
What I see occurring here as this game progresses is further Cannibalism at the Top of the Food Chain. What can be extracted from J6P is basically tapped out at this point, as I made the case to Ash, I don't think even Slavery of either the Debt kind or the explicit kind is a profitable venture anymore. If you cannot extract wealth from the Slaves, who is left to do that from? Only from each other really, so it is my belief that the Top of the Food chain here will Cannibalize each other, and quite rapidly really in Civilization terms once it gets going in earnest.
 
You say you believe these folks have such control that they will be able in the aftermath of this collapse to set up a new system, I do not think this is so. I often argue this point with my partner on DD Peter, who believes as you do that these folks can maintain control through the spin down. I think the control is wholly dependent on Conduits developed thRough the Industrial Era which upon collapse will make it impossible to run any type of Global System of control as exists now. I think they will fight each other and consume each other as there is No Honor Amongst Thieves. I believe their power will dissipate and diminish as Energy resource becomes net negative in EROEI.
 
I do not think that there is Zero Point Energy that will be accessed, or Abiotic Oil, though both might in theory exist. They are both plausible hypotheses, but not likely ones under the circumstances we see developing. It makes no sense to destroy your own habitat if in fact you did have access to either one of these possibilities. If they were accessible in the near future or even the present, then they could be used easily to maintain the kind of perpetual Dystopian Vison that Huxley and Orwell painted as likely so many years ago. If that POWER was available to use, I see no reason why Power Seekers such as the top group is would not access it and use it NOW.
 
I do not paint a rosy picture for the future, but neither do I think it is true that our current set of Illuminati masters, who are in many cases descended from long running familial lines can possibly maintain control of this spin down as it works its way inward.
 
In the end, they will LOSE, because the Meek Shall Inherit the Earth. Right AFTER the Meek get Very, VERY Angry.

 
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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 10, 2012, 02:03:34 AM
Audio from the S&P Pit in the 2010 Flash Crash.  About the best Audio EVER of a PANIC. Coming Again Soon to a Trading Floor Near You.

http://www.youtube.com/v/WrxlVjZJawQ

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on April 10, 2012, 03:39:18 AM
Now THAT was pretty interesting. Most memorable call since Howard Cosell's "Down Goes Frazier!"

Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 10, 2012, 10:19:29 PM
Audio from the S&P Pit in the 2010 Flash Crash.  About the best Audio EVER of a PANIC. Coming Again Soon to a Trading Floor Near You.

http://www.youtube.com/v/WrxlVjZJawQ

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Well, this turned out to be a pretty Prescient Video to put up last night considering the blowout in the Market today  8)

No Flash Crash yet, but below the 500 DMA is pretty nasty.  Here from Goldman via Zero Hedge:

Today's Carnage Through The Eyes Of Goldman
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/10/2012 19:04 -0400

BondCopperExchange Traded FundGiltsNASDAQNew York Stock Exchange


Since Goldman continues to press clients into the worst trade recommendation in the firm's history (remember that once in a lifetime long equity, bond short? no? look here) it means that at least the Goldman version of Bruno Iksil who sits on the firm's prop desk (but only hedge for god's sake, don't go getting any ideas) is having a great time since he is on the other side across from Goldman's clients. Still, while we won't feel bad for them, it is always interesting to note what are the things that Goldman watches for during market wipe outs, such as today, the worst day of trading so far in 2012. So without further ado, here is Goldman's Tuesday roundup.

From GS sales/trading

•Stocks lower, again. Fifth day running. Europe is again the catalyst as the damage done there makes US violence look like a minor scrape. Italian bourses down almost 5%, and same goes for European financials. Spanish banks now back to last year’s lows and SX7E not too far from the same. Cash flow reasonably balanced, but ETF flow much better for sale – which follows notable buying of downside protection yesterday. Heavy flow clearing today – NYSE volumes 30% above 10, 20, and 30d average. Not the most relevant line, but SPX broke its 50d moving average. Not too far now from uptrend support drawn from the October lows. That comes in around 1350 (cash). SPX closes down 24 at 1359 (-1.71%). The DOW closes down 216 at 12716 (-1.65%). The NASDAQ closes down 56 at 2991 (-1.83%).
•The VIX up another 1.6 to 20.4. The VIX term structure flattened pretty significantly – today the front month VIX contract (Apr) closed less than 1 point above spot (compare to mid-Feb when front month VIX traded at a 5 point premium to VIX spot).
•Owned positions under significant attack in FX today, led by MXN. While USDMXN up 1.5% makes sense in the context of stocks down a similar amount, that damage was done prior to 10am EST when US equities started their decline. USDZAR too had already made an aggressive move higher. Contrast with AUD where losses were more modest. AUD in fact outperforms CAD (ie, AUDCAD higher), which is quite rare for such a serious risk-off day. Relative EUR outperformance even more significant / surprising / frustrating. EUR lower is the opposite of a pain trade, something of a pleasure trade – many winners and few losers as EURUSD trades lower.
•Another day, another rally for the US rates market.  The tone was set overnight as peripherals opened up weaker following the holiday weekend, and Spanish and Italian yields continued to push higher over the course of the day.  Bunds, Gilts and USTs all rallied in due course and ultimately the 2.02% resistance level in 10y USTs failed to hold.  Spreads also widened again, closing as much as 2.7bps higher in 10s.  While we saw better receiving over the course of the day from a variety of accounts, we also saw some stabs at reinitiating shorts at these levels from both levered accounts and real money.
•Copper the story in commodities today - $8088 was 3m copper’s 100 day MA and is now history and again on volume.  Some shorts squaring up late in the day given size of and volume behind this move and thus the potential for a snap back especially given the potential for further LME/SHFE covering that was seen last night. Other highlights - gold up 1.2% and silver up 0.8%, WTI down 1.5% and brent down 2.5%. In our new energy weekly we reiterate our long Sep12 WTI as we continue to expect the Seaway to debottleneck Cushing, with WTI-brent spreads narrowing in line with pipeline tariff economics.
•An active day in credit with two way flow from fast money accounts with some better buyers of protection. IG closed at 104.75 and HY closed at 94.75.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on April 11, 2012, 12:05:35 AM
so that's what it's like. what a great video.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 13, 2012, 12:36:25 AM
Post I made tonight over on TAE.

http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=19&id=2158&Itemid=96#2219

Nobody realizes just how much of their own behaviors are acculturated. In our society since Greed is so well rewarded and has been for a VERY long time, the assumption is that Greed is a fundamental and uderlying attribute of the Human Species. I do not believe this to be true.
 
Greed is one of many attributes Homo Sapiens can display, and it can be rewarded or punished right from birth really. Societies can develop in many different ways, and they have through the evoltuon of the species, but Greed Reward in its current form is a very recent development overall.
 
The Potlatch societies developed unde much different parameters in a time of great surplus relative to the total number of people inhabiting a given ecosystem. That they existed at all however demonstrates conclusively that Greed is not an inherent zHuman Behavior, but merely one which is learned in certai environments under a certain set of parameters. Once the society develops around that, its a very difficult Cancer to remove. It metasticizes quickly.
 
Of the people who discuss these questions with me, I tend to be in the minority overall, since I have great faith in the resilience of Human Nature and the ability of Good to Triumph over Evil. I look at fundamentals of human nature and at the parameters we live under, and I see that there are posibilities for change and for a Better Tomorrow. I just do not see that those changes will come without a massive dislocation in our current ways of living or without a massive die off of many currently walking the Earth.
 
Evil will not win this battle, not in the end, not IMHO. It is written, "The Meek shall Inherit the Earth". I don't buy that because I am a Christian or even a Biblical Scholar, I am neither. I believe it to be true because it is what I see in nature. Power Seekers eventually self immolate, their own Greed consumes them. The societies they build also self immolate eventually. The problem for all of us living here and now in this time frame is that we are at the end of a grand supercycle where Greed has consumed Mankind. When it goes down, and go down it will, it will nto be pretty at all. In the end though, I believe in my heart that some will emerge standing from the Zero Point, and it will not be the Illuminati, it will be some few of the Meek who see it through to the end of the dark days to come. It will take Luck and Planning, and probably the Finger of God to see you through, but I think it can be done.
 
It is my goal in writing as I do to encourage all not to Lose Hope, not to Give Up here. Yes, the immediate future is very bleak indeed. Not Hopeless though, not yet. It is only Hopeless if you GIVE UP Hope. I am not willing to do that, and I do not think once the Conduits fail that this Evil system can be perpetuated. It WILL come down, just as the Tower of Babel came crashing down. Wait for it. When it comes, you will KNOW it. Then is the once in a millenia CHANCE you have to make the CHANGE that we MUST make to survive as a species. It CAN be done.
 
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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 13, 2012, 02:07:52 AM
Today was something of a Watershed, and frankly I am getting WORRIED.  If DD REALLY takes off here, I am just in a World of Shit!  I gotta MANAGE this thing!  Acccckkkkk!

I like to engage in dialogue, I'm not a Pure Blogger.  In just ONE DAY though DD was inundated with WAY more stuff than I can respond to no matter how fast I keyboard!  There were some very interesting articles put up I want to respond to, but I can't do it! Its too MUCH already!

I need a new sifting paradigm.  This is very challenging overall.  ACCCCCKKKKK!

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on April 13, 2012, 03:21:41 AM
An excellent problem to have!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 13, 2012, 10:51:22 PM
An excellent problem to have!

No doubt there :-)  Much of my Paranoia about putting up a Magnificent FAILURE has now been alleviated.  Even if we grew no more than this, its already a spectacualrly interesting message board with many intelligent posters in the Commentariat.  However, Numbers wise growth rate is still pretty close to Exponential.

I'm still urging all the Ground Floor members here to go out and PLUG THE LIVING SHIT out of DD on any other website you frequent.

Peter mentioned in one of his posts the "divide and conquer" methodology used and the tendency of all the Bloggers to be in so much COMPETITION with each other for readership that its real hard to bring it all together so everybody isn't reinventing the wheel all the time.  I don't think DD can be all things to all people, but I do think that I am the BEST fucking Board Moderator on the Face of the Earth also :-)  I'm real Open Minded, I have a ton of Experience from both sides of the line, and I have a fabulous sense of humour!  I'm also very modest and self-effacing.  LOL.

The keys here are ii making the information Accessible through a good interface, which Peter has accomplished a lot with already though we still have a ways to go there.  The material has to be well organized and good for referencing through, and then you need good people posting up, which we already got quite a few of.

Its a Circus friends, and while our goal is to Inform, it is very important to Entertain as well when you deliver the message.  I'll do my best to keep it Entertaining, so On with the Show here!

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Title: Capital Flight & Unions: 40 years of Economic History in the FSofA
Post by: RE on April 14, 2012, 12:16:34 AM
OK Folks, I think I FINALLY figured out how to start discussions of my main Blog Posts here in the Diner without starting a new thread for every one of them, unless they actually get so many responses they need their own thread.  I'm just linking them to the FFDR here and I'll title a starter post with the title of the blog post.

This one is for this Blog Article:
http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/04/13/capital-flight-and-unions-40-years-of-economic-history-in-the-fsofa/

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Title: Re: Capital Flight & Unions: 40 years of Economic History in the FSofA
Post by: RE on April 14, 2012, 03:17:53 AM
Observational on the Music Vids I dropped in on this post (which I had to change a bit because since last year the Copyright Police have remove Embedding from the originals).

Joan Baez sang "Joe Hill" in the 1960s, but it is of course a story which goes back much further than that era.  The Boss sang "My Hometown" in the 1980s, but it is of course as true if not more so today than it was then.  Its Timeless stuff inside of our reference point here of industrial culture.  The system was in collapse in 1969, it was in collapse in 1985, it is in collapse today also.  Its been ongoing here for a long time already.  You could in fact make a very good case for saying its been collapsing from the very moment it began, and there have always been artists who have observed it in every era.  Be it Dickens in Industrial England or Springstein in the Industrial Heartland of the FSofA, the Dark Side of Industrialization adn Capitalism has been with us right from the beginning.  It NEVER worked, EVER.  It always was a means for a few to benefit at the expense of the many.

Your Hometown is gone now, as mine is now gone also.  The New York Shitty of my youth is no more. Only the shell remains, and it gets ever thinner here. Soon methinks, the shell will crack for good, and we must leave it all behind us.  A long and sad mistake was industrialization, following in the footsteps of the longer and sadder mistake of agriculture, which led to ownership of the Earth and the development of Money.

It is coming to an end now, and this is a GOOD thing. It was all a very log and drawn out MISTAKE.

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Title: Money & Evil
Post by: RE on April 17, 2012, 01:50:15 AM
A response I made to Triv on TAE tonight on the subject of Money & Evil.  You can read all the responses in this thread on TAE at

http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=19&id=2238&Itemid=96#2269 (http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=19&id=2238&Itemid=96#2269)

-- ------------
Quote from: Trivium4TW

But if it did, would you abolish the internet?
 
Me thinks you are projecting onto money the problems of humanity.
 
Some want to blame race. Others want to blame money.
 
MLK was right, IMHO - it is content of character that matters.
 
If you don't focus on the root cause, the problems will never truly be solved.
 
The problem is not the knife or the gun, the problem is the serial killer.
 
Since you didn't like the internet analogy, albeit it was kind of weak, how about guns?

 
Bah. I am not doing any "projecting" here, I'm just recounting for you the history of money.
 
It is also incorrect to assume that Evil only comes from the individual motivation of people, it is derived from systems as well. An individual Judge for instance can be a highly moral person, but he is constricted by the body of law under which he works. there are emergent properties of systems which supercede the individual human action. Money, more than even the Legal system has many emergent properties which make the system itself Evil, regarddless of who is running the show.
 
Far as the "Guns don't kill People, People kill People" argument goes, this is another Strawman argument. Guns ARE Evil, in the sense that they ridiculously shifted power balance across societies. You should read Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" if you are not familiar with how Guns served to extiguish all but Industrial Society since they were invented. Guns are a manifestation of both Industrialization AND Money, they came as the result of the never ending Power Seeking that started with the development of Agriculture.
 
In short Triv, what you hold as True that Evil must come from the hearts of Men is not precisely correct, because Evil comes from systems and larger structures than the individual, and this form of evil is the most pervasive and deestructive, because it outlives the individuals and passes itself down through societies and through the millenia. Guns are Evil, Money is Evil, Property Ownership is Evil. These are all concepts, objuects, structures and systems that have fundamental problems and destroy the balance that Homo Sapiens has to have with the environment to survive here.
 
These things must be eradicated, and so they will be by the Finger of God here. The Money will destroy itself, and all the Hardware will go down to the Bottom of Davey Jones Locker, and the Guns and the Money will be No More. One can only HOPE there will be a few Homo Sapiens left standing after this all goes own here, but go down it will. I the end, the Meek Shall Inherit the Earth. Right AFTER the Meek get very, VERY Angry.
 
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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on April 17, 2012, 05:41:19 AM
Bestowing human traits on inanimate objects is an irrational cop out, that tries to shift the blame for what we have done to ourselves elsewhere. It is just another distraction from trying to understand what the hell we did to ourselves, or let happen, and how to correct it.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: EndIsNigh on April 17, 2012, 05:49:16 AM
Taking this logic one step further to the root cause; is it not our sense of being separate entities who do not depend on the wellbeing of others for our own wellbeing the root cause of all the examples of evil being provided here?  Are not representations of evil the extreme case of this separation?  We say that greed and ego are ultimate expressions of evil, but what are greed and evil if not separation and self-interest distilled?  Do we find these examples of evil in societies that embrace the concepts of what's good for you is good for me?  Are there evil Buddhists, for example, who are the epitome of understanding separation is illusion?
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 17, 2012, 12:39:41 PM
Bestowing human traits on inanimate objects is an irrational cop out, that tries to shift the blame for what we have done to ourselves elsewhere. It is just another distraction from trying to understand what the hell we did to ourselves, or let happen, and how to correct it.

Systems are not inanimate objects, they are group operating laws which govern the behavior of many living things.  You see such emergent properties in a swarm of bees or herd of bison for example.  Money is an Op System which is corrupt from the get-go and it is because we operate by this system that we have destroyed the plaet we live on.  The only chance we have for survival as a species is to wipe money from the face of the Earth forever more.

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Title: To Serve Man
Post by: RE on April 17, 2012, 03:55:35 PM
Hey I found this great Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man"  They mention the Aliens have a tiny source of cheap power!  Rod Serling knew all about Zero Point Energy back in 1960!

http://www.youtube.com/v/U5NWCD7D5n8

OK, I know you guys don't take Rod Serling and Twilight Zone seriously, but I do!

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Title: The Obsolete Man
Post by: RE on April 17, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
RS also got the Fascism thing figured out back then

http://www.youtube.com/v/oADlQPJ_Zfc

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Jb on April 17, 2012, 05:57:31 PM
Ok, here goes (in my best Bullwinkle voice):

Spider, spider,
On the wall.
Have you no brains at all?
Can't you see that wall's been plastered?
Boy you're dumb, you little....
Spider.

I swear that's from the R&B Show, I swear! I used to love that show.

Jb
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on April 18, 2012, 03:46:47 AM
Something amiss at TAE. Dearth of postings, no new articles ???
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 18, 2012, 09:38:10 AM
Something amiss at TAE. Dearth of postings, no new articles ???

They seem to be having something of an existential crisis over there.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on April 19, 2012, 02:13:53 PM
Just read today's Rant. The observations about technology enslaving rather than liberating are on the mark.

I used to think that, yeah, they'd continue Medicare in some way, but you'd have to submit to being "chipped" in order to receive it-- the Mark of the Beast. But, as you observe, who needs a chip in the arm when everybody enthusiastically steps into the traces and takes their tether with them?

"There's an app for that..."

Just caught up with the Rod Serling "Obsolete" piece in the grant. Just amazing. Historians of the future may unearth this stuff and say, "these people knew what was coming... and they did nothing about it."
Title: 1984 Collapses
Post by: RE on April 19, 2012, 04:02:24 PM
I caught that Rod Serling clip on somebody else's website a while back but couldn't remember where and took a couple of days to track it down.  It wasn't in the article when I originally published it on TBP.  However, it relates so well to recent conversations here that I had to include it in the article.  His teleplays are absolutely timeless.

Anyhow, this is the reason I HOPE I am right and the Illuminati do not have Zero Point Energy waiting in the wings here.  If they had it, the Fascist State could last in perpetuity.  Again though, it makes no sense to me why they would muck around with Nukes if they had ZPE.  Why bother with the Euro Dog & Pony Show?  I remain of the opinion that the Illuminati are at the end of the line here, and the collapse of power systems that run the electronics that maintains the Orwellian will spell the end of days of the 1984 vision.

To be replaced of course by this vision for a while in many places, which is not much better

http://www.youtube.com/v/wZ3H-GgH_Pc

To eventually to return to the Big island of Hawaii some day far in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/v/2FglNdqHRUY

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on April 19, 2012, 05:19:29 PM
great piece, RE. thanks for the lesson. as to your comment, this navigator, mau piailug, died in 2010.

' To Navigate You Must Be Brave

To Be Brave You Must Remember,

If I Have Courage It Is Because I Have

Remembered the teachings Of My Father '

- Mau Piailug

i bookmarked the related youtube channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/maupiailugsociety (http://www.youtube.com/user/maupiailugsociety)

until i found the wisemen and wisewomen at TEOTWAWKI, i had two fathers and no fathers, two mothers and no mothers; a grotesque metaphor; ladies and gentlemen we are floating in space, spiritualized-like.



Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Danno on April 19, 2012, 05:36:38 PM

Jacques Ellul does a good job of explaining our worship of technology. If you like the first part, click to youtube and watch the next five.

Best, Dan.


http://www.youtube.com/v/LdogID589Mk
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Jb on April 19, 2012, 06:15:19 PM
Boy, I just love 'Children Without Men.' What a great movie; so much to take away from that one.

There's one street battle scene where the rebels take on the military. As they drop dead, the poor vagrants run out and grab their shoes... Later you see them living in abandoned hotels, cars, where ever they can. The immigrants are 'deported' (ahem) to the countryside never to be seen again....

Awesome. A must watch for anyone who hasn't seen it.

Jb
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 19, 2012, 09:08:31 PM
Boy, I just love 'Children Without Men.' What a great movie; so much to take away from that one.

There's one street battle scene where the rebels take on the military. As they drop dead, the poor vagrants run out and grab their shoes... Later you see them living in abandoned hotels, cars, where ever they can. The immigrants are 'deported' (ahem) to the countryside never to be seen again....

Awesome. A must watch for anyone who hasn't seen it.

Jb

Awesome must see but not if you order it with that title.

It's "Children OF Men" JB.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on April 19, 2012, 11:38:19 PM
Great reply to Ashvin on TAE and it's problems tonight RE. Left you a thank you. Got to hand it to ELG, he packed his bags and got out right before the crash. As to Ashvin's last posting and half assed apology, f--k him. There is other stuff wrong, you can bet, they are hiding for sure. Probably over your most despised, The Root of All Evil.   GO
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 19, 2012, 11:53:01 PM
Great reply to Ashvin on TAE and it's problems tonight RE. Left you a thank you. Got to hand it to ELG, he packed his bags and got out right before the crash. As to Ashvin's last posting and half assed apology, f--k him. There is other stuff wrong, you can bet, they are hiding for sure. Probably over your most despised, The Root of All Evil.   GO

Thanks GO.  Here for the record is what I wrote on TAE in this thread
 
Quote from: Ashvin
The one thing TAE is not for me, unlike Ilargi, is a business. That's my luxury, and his curse. We are all equally critical of our money-oriented, greed-filled society, but he is still required to put A LOT of effort into making TAE a profitable operation. I, on the other hand, really don't care if the "customers" are comfortable and happy. I want people to keep reading, and I will do anything within my power to make the site more user-friendly and agreeable, but I won't ever apologize for what I do here or re-think why I do it.

I've been resisting the temptation to drop in on this thread here on TAE until now, even though I have made mention of the problems TAE is having on the Diner. Now that Ashvin has expressed his opinion and rationale, I'm going to state my opinion here.
 
First off, since this is a Bizness Proposition for Ilargi and Stoneleigh as well as simply a place to publish their ideas, I cannot understand why they would let it descend into the kind of chaos it is currently experiencing. The Globe Trotting in Oz is not a good excuse, I travel plenty and always take my Laptop with me, and even in fucking Siberia these days you can get an internet connection every couple of days or so to check in. There also is always plenty of material to write about when you are on the road, since you see new things all the time. If either of them wanted to keep Blogging, they are perfectly capable of doing so and there is no dearth of material out there to blog on every day.
 
They left the blog to Ashvin to maintain during their absence, and he explains clearly enough in the above paragraph his attitude here. He's not going to be apologetic for whatever he writes, and he's not going to make adjustments to it either. He's just blogging his thoughts, and any blogger is always free to do that, as long as said blogger doesn't CARE whether there is readership of his blog or not.
 
The result of all this along with the format change in the comment area has been to radically change the spin and "feel" of TAE, and "Old Timers" are expressing their dissatisfaction with that. It takes a long time to build up a readership base on a Blog, but you can turn off that base in a mighty big hurry also.
 
TAE has been an important Blog here over the last 4 years since the 2008 Financial Collapse, but it is now IN TROUBLE for numerous reasons, and it is by no means all Ashvin's "fault" here. Stoneleigh and Ilargi also must bear responsibility for this, and if they do not show up in here soon to reasure their readership and get things back on track, TAE will LOSE what they worked so hard to build here.
 
On other topics, I find it fascinating that Ash is currently making a living at the Poker Table, and also wonder if he'll ever get round to the Geotectonic Heat Transfer Theory alternative to AGW?
 
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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on April 20, 2012, 04:07:46 AM
thanks dan for posting 'the betrayal of technology'. jaques ellul was superb.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: EndIsNigh on April 20, 2012, 10:48:02 PM
Yes, thank you Dan for the link.  Great stuff.
Title: Searching for Bobby Fischer
Post by: RE on April 21, 2012, 05:39:37 PM
(http://thisdistractedglobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/searching-for-bobby-fischer-1993-laurence-fishburne-max-pomeranc-joe-mantegna-pic-1.jpg)

Just back from the Matanuska-Susitna River Valley Elementary School Chess Tournament.

I am proud to report that in our first competition as a Team against all the rest of the Elementary Schools in the Matanuska-Susitna River Vally, out of 16 schools competing we took 3rd Place.  All the rest of the teams are from the Public Schools, ours was the only one entered for Homeschoolers/Private Education.  To make an almost full team of 9 (10 is max) we combined my group of 5 intrepid Trebuchet builders with 4 traditional Homeschoolers who all signed up as a single team.  Top 7 scores count.  You get 1 point for a win, 0 for a loss, .5 for a stalemate or draw.  The tournament goes 7 rounds so your max individual score is 7 points if you win every game.  15 minutes on your clock, so 30 minutes maximum time for the game.  Touch-Move Rules. We started at 9 this morning and finished around 2:30PM

We lost out to Shaw and Knik, both schools with hundreds of students and well developed Chess Clubs.  My Chess Warriors are all first year Chess players except for one who learned some from his Dad before this year.  He did the best out of the group with 5 wins.  One of the Homeschoolers also had 5 wins.  The rest of our counted scores were all 4 or 4.5 Points., 3 of them from my group and 2 from the Homeschoolers.

For my group, attendance at the Tournament was Mandatory since I am teaching Chess as part of my curriculum, its not a Club.  This was their "Final Exam".  We play chess or discuss strategy twice a week for about 1 hour.  It is IMHO one of the finest games ever invented for learning to think ahead, develop strategy and spatial awareness and how to focus your mind.  Go is the only other game you can make a case for it being as good, but its not a very popular game in the Western countries.

Gender demographics at the tournament were the usual Male Dominated at about 5:1 ratio.  I remain unsure as to whether this is a cultural or genetic discrepancy, I think it is mostly genetic though.  Chess favors a more aggressive nature found more often in Boys.  In the top 20 of 84 Players, there were no Girls.

As we look forward to the end of the Age of Oil and Electronic Joystick Games, Chess will endure through it all.  I played Chess on Ipanema Beach in Rio as a 6 year old using sea shells and rocks and cans of Fanta Orange soda, drawing out the 64 squares of the board by hand in the sand many times.  The Game was invented long before there were joysticks and video screens, and depend on nothing but the Mind of the Individual really.  It is possible to play chess with no board at all and just do the game in your head, that is how you play multiple boards at the same time.  When I was young I could do this, I can no longer though, brain cells too stiff with age and I just do not play enough anymore to do it.

There is no element of "chance" in Chess as there is in say Backgammon or Poker or Bridge, other very good games but all dependent on the Roll of the Dice or the Deal of the Cards.  The miniscule advantage you get by playing first with White dissipates quickly if you play someone of equal ability.  There are no guaranteed victory strategies you can play by memorizing games, though this does help you if you have many memorized.  Modern computers have now exceeded the ability of even the top Grandmasters mainly by crunching through billions of possibilities in nanoseconds, but no Grandmaster ever goes that deep, its done more by developing strategy and securing the space.  I think the AI now does some of this as well.

In the world to come, I consider Chess as important to teach as how to construct a Trebuchet or how to field dress a Caribou or Filet a Fish.  It refines your thinking and focuses your mind.  It also teaches you that there are Winners and Losers in a very real sense, and that the smallest of mistakes can drop you into the LOSER category very quickly.  It also transfers to other areas very well, for me a Debate is just like a Chess Game.  You build a case; you feignt; you misdirect; you ATTACK when you see an opening and then you go in for the KILL.  From my POV, these kids will not SURVIVE if they do not know how to go in for the KILL when necessary here.  They are the generation destined to fight the Last Battle for ALL THE MARBLES.  You don't win against the Illuminati playing White if you are Stupid and playing Black, and you don't win by playing nice either.  You win by TAKING OUT their Pawns and then their Bishops and Knights and Rooks, until you finally get the Queen and leave the King isolated.  We NEED really good Chess Players in this game, and I hope I can teach a few how this game is played.

Metaphors aside here, its nice to get away from the Doom for a few hours and play/watch some Chess. I occassionally still play some against my computer, but of course the damn thing is so good I can't beat it unless I turn down the settings a couple of notches.  I'm no Bobby Fischer or Gary Kasparov either, but I do the best I can to teach what I do know about how to play the game of Chess.  No Josh Weitzman's either in my classroom so far, but ya never know, one may turn up here someday.  I am Searching for Bobby Fischer.

http://www.youtube.com/v/sSV2IFNgqI4

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Title: Re: Searching for Bobby Fischer
Post by: RE on April 21, 2012, 06:27:40 PM
Damn that was a good Rant!  I decided to make it a Feature Post on the Blog also now.  When my own prose makes me tear up, I know its a good one.  Inspirado is still in there,I  don't have to rely on all the Old Stuff. At least when I have time enough in the day to write a new one.

Yes, I know, I am full of myself.  But crap, that was STILL a really good post!  LOL.

And here, still MORE great scenes from "Searching for Bobby Fischer".

http://www.youtube.com/v/fLsa6hjtsrY

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Title: Re: Searching for Bobby Fischer
Post by: RE on April 21, 2012, 08:06:58 PM
Where does all this come from?  In 1972 when Fischer played Spassky, I was at the height of my chess playing years on the Stuyvesant HS team.  It consumed me at the age of 15.

For fans of Chess, here is some analysis of the Ruy Lopez in the 10th Game of that match

http://www.youtube.com/v/qx3bIn5z2Ng

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Title: Re: Searching for Bobby Fischer
Post by: reanteben on April 21, 2012, 08:19:51 PM
kids playing with rocks'll get you every time.

fantastic post. you're a saint.
Title: Re: Searching for Bobby Fischer
Post by: RE on April 21, 2012, 09:09:36 PM
kids playing with rocks'll get you every time.

fantastic post. you're a saint.

"Saint RE" is definitely a step up from "Demagogue RE" or "Uncle Joe Stalin RE", other titles I have had bestowed on me over over the years here of writing on the collapse.

My Saintliness is questionable, what is coming down the pipe here is without question.  I only partially argue logically to explain the truth as I see it.  To a greater extent, I try to kick the reader in the Gonads, and showing how our choices now impact on the innocents does this very well.

I SEE Dead People.

(http://blog.beyondtrust.com/Portals/44952/images/i-see-dead-people.jpg)

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Title: Re: Searching for Bobby Fischer
Post by: reanteben on April 22, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Where does all this come from?  In 1972 when Fischer played Spassky, I was at the height of my chess playing years on the Stuyvesant HS team.  It consumed me at the age of 15.

For fans of Chess, here is some analysis of the Ruy Lopez in the 10th Game of that match

http://www.youtube.com/v/qx3bIn5z2Ng

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you went to stuyvesant, huh? more nerd credentials. my brother went to Stuy. i woulda gone, too, but we moved to california after 9th grade. i chose to stay at JHS104 for 9th grade, on 21st St. between first and second ave. woulda got to go to the new campus down in battery park. i think i thought that was cool at the time mostly because it would've entailed playing basketball in a nice new gym. the old stuyvesant building, i think i was told, had pillars in the middle of the gym (can you confirm this?), or maybe it was just too small for a full-size basketball court, so the Stuy Peglegs used to play home games in our gym since we were just up the street. we never got to play them which was just as well for them, LOL. we had ridiculous talent and of course you had to excel at standardized testing to get into Stuy which greatly limited the talent pool except i suppose for fringe endeavors such as upward mobility and chess.     

Title: Re: Searching for Bobby Fischer
Post by: RE on April 22, 2012, 06:12:57 AM
you went to stuyvesant, huh? more nerd credentials. my brother went to Stuy. i woulda gone, too, but we moved to california after 9th grade. i chose to stay at JHS104 for 9th grade, on 21st St. between first and second ave. woulda got to go to the new campus down in battery park. i think i thought that was cool at the time mostly because it would've entailed playing basketball in a nice new gym. the old stuyvesant building, i think i was told, had pillars in the middle of the gym (can you confirm this?), or maybe it was just too small for a full-size basketball court, so the Stuy Peglegs used to play home games in our gym since we were just up the street. we never got to play them which was just as well for them, LOL. we had ridiculous talent and of course you had to excel at standardized testing to get into Stuy which greatly limited the talent pool except i suppose for fringe endeavors such as upward mobility and chess.     

The gym was ridiculously small and it stank, that I remember.  I don't remember how the pillars were placed, but it did have pillars yes.  The building was ancient even when I went there, and there was talk we would get a couple of floors in the World Trade Center, which was going up at the time.  They didn't actually move out to the new building in Battery Park City until years later of course.

Going to Stuy High was a major pain in the ass because upon returning from Brasil we didn't move back into Manhattan, dad the Pigman bought my mom a McMansion in Queens as part of the divorce settlement.  We lived a mile and a half from the last stop on the Flushing line and it took an hour and a half bus and subway commute every morning to get to school.  It was worth it though, since Flushing HS was already a worthless Warehouse for Industrial Slaves by this time.  At Stuy you could make it through the day without getting your ass beat on for being a nerd, since everybody was a nerd.  The worst part was it had only gone co-ed the year before I went in so pickins' were slim for the girls.

All our sports teams were notoriously bad except for the Wrestling Team coached by Mr. Thrush who was reportedly so old he had been teaching there since the building was put up, I think it was in 1908.  We did well in other areas though, my Biology lab partner Eric Lander won the Westinghouse and later went on to head up the Human Genome project at the Whitehead Institute at MIT.  Our Chess Team was very good, we regularly won the NYC Championships, just about always facing down Brooklyn Tech or Bronx HS of Science for bragging rights.  Our Debating Club also was very good.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on April 22, 2012, 07:45:52 AM
Know what you mean about computer chess RE. Have a copy of Chess Master software and it is impossible to beat at the higher settings. Never gets tired, you take twenty minutes to make a move and it counters in a micro second, faceless, totally devoid of emotion, ruthless cold blooded competitor. Even on the lower settings it makes such obvious blunders you know it is just playing stupid to make you feel better.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on April 22, 2012, 08:21:05 AM
More than a third of US-based manufacturing executives at companies with sales greater than $1 billion are planning to bring back production to the United States from China or are considering it, according to http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/business-brains/large-manufacturers-considering-move-back-to-us-survey/23644a (http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/business-brains/large-manufacturers-considering-move-back-to-us-survey/23644a) new survey by The Boston Consulting Group   A strange turn of events.
Title: Re: Searching for Bobby Fischer
Post by: RE on April 22, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
Know what you mean about computer chess RE. Have a copy of Chess Master software and it is impossible to beat at the higher settings. Never gets tired, you take twenty minutes to make a move and it counters in a micro second, faceless, totally devoid of emotion, ruthless cold blooded competitor. Even on the lower settings it makes such obvious blunders you know it is just playing stupid to make you feel better.   :laugh:

The issue I have with the "levelling" is that it doesn't really work. On just about every Chess program I've played against, there is a setting at which it "flips", aka at say L7 you win all the time because the computer makes dumb ass blunders, but at L8 you never win.

So basically you can't play a friendly game with the computer, really its use is just as a teaching tool for yourself, which is really good because you can back up the game after you make a mistake and try something else.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: EndIsNigh on April 22, 2012, 04:35:17 PM
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More than a third of US-based manufacturing executives at companies with sales greater than $1 billion are planning to bring back production to the United States from China or are considering it, according to http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/business-brains/large-manufacturers-considering-move-back-to-us-survey/23644a (http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/business-brains/large-manufacturers-considering-move-back-to-us-survey/23644a) new survey by The Boston Consulting Group   A strange turn of events.

GO

Jeff Rubin predicted that would be a result of peak oil as the increasing cost of oil to transport goods offsets the savings delivered by low wages.  He explains "how your world is about to get a whole lot smaller" in the video below.

Economist Jeff Rubin Oil and The Death of Globalization (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elToXAGnLBA#ws)
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on April 22, 2012, 05:26:52 PM
@ EndIsNigh Thanks for the link. It is happening big time already. Was talking to the manager of our local super market, just an acquaintance I have known for years. What the heck is going on with these huge percentage jumps in all these basic items, just one example basic Maine potatoes from one dollar for a 10lb bag to 79cts a pound. He told me it wasn't the spuds it was the cost of diesel for getting them delivered to the store. Can only get worse.  :(
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Jb on April 22, 2012, 05:41:48 PM
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Can only get worse.

'Get worse' as in 'prices.'

Let's hope so, because the alternative is MUCH worse. As I have learned from EU, the alternative is that the farms, packaging plants, and trucking companies all go out of business due to overhanging debt and the inability to access new credit - just like Petroplus and other oil refiners. Once that happens, who will be able to get new credit to re-start the growing and distribution?

Will the farms all be owned by JP Morgan too? Good grief! :new_shocked:

At least if the prices go up, you can still prioritize your spending, buy items on sale or with coupons, buy in bulk, whatever.

Full disclosure: I am 'long' potatoes (carrots, lettuce, peas, and whatever else I can get to grow in my yard.)

Jb
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: EndIsNigh on April 22, 2012, 06:01:04 PM
I really picked the wrong time to start a business dependent on overseas shipping for some of my supplies :'(  I'm still in the planning stages so I could abort, but having spent the past year on it, not such an easy decision to make.  I thought I had more time than it's beginning to appear I do.   :oops: 

Nicole Foss is confirmed to speak again tomorrow night in my neck of the woods.  I'll be attending the event.  Last time there was between 300-350 people, not great for a region of 340,000 people (0.001%).  The interest was enough to get her back a second time, so I guess that's something.  I called my transition group to ask if they invited the local mayoral candidates (the race for council election is going on at the moment) and they hadn't, so I'll be busy today making calls and sending emails.  Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 22, 2012, 06:14:23 PM
@ EndIsNigh Thanks for the link. It is happening big time already. Was talking to the manager of our local super market, just an acquaintance I have known for years. What the heck is going on with these huge percentage jumps in all these basic items, just one example basic Maine potatoes from one dollar for a 10lb bag to 79cts a pound. He told me it wasn't the spuds it was the cost of diesel for getting them delivered to the store. Can only get worse.  :(

That math doesn't compute since the potatoes have a 790% price increase while Diesel has only undergone maybe a 200% price increase since I was fuelig the Freightliner back in the late 1990s.  Even if the transportation costs are 90% of the input price it still does not compute.

Up here I haven't seen anywhere near that level of price hiking.  Ribeye steaks are up about 100% and Beer is up about 50% from when I moved up here 6 years ago. Gas is now the highest its ever been, averaging around $4.35/gallon, but I've never paid less than about $3.25/gallon for it here, so that also is about a 40% hike.

My guess with the Maine Potatoes is that there is some kind of speculation going on there and somebody bought up a lot of the contracts and is holding them off the market.  A lot of potatoes are probably rotting in somebody's warehouse somewhere.

Regardless of what is eing published regarding CPI inflation stats, my ballpark figure is its running on average about 10% per year, although in the last 6 months or so possibly up to 20% per year.  Hyperinflationistas will jump all over this, but I don't consider it hyperinflation until you hit around 10% a month figure.

The current rate of price inflation is just accelerating the deflation everywhere else in the economy.  Its sending more biznesses into BK as people stop buying what are mostly discretionary purchases.  This creates more Unemployment and thus still fewer people with incomes to pay the inflated prices.  This then causes more people to default on Mortgages, driving down the Hosuing market still further.  This then lowers the Tax Receipts on Property Tax and Sales Tax which local Goobermints depend on to pay Goobermint workers, forcing more Layoffs, reinforcing the cycle in a positive feedback loop.

Because there was a lot of slack in the economy here, most people haven't yet fallen off the cliff but the economy is an a downward spiral and in the competition between Inflation of Commodity Prices and Deflation Asset Prices and Wages, Deflation is winning.  There will come a breaking point at which it goes one way or the other, Da Goobermint will either start handing out Free Money to J6P Konsumer instead of just the TBTF Bankster speculators causing a Hyperinflation, or the Commodity prices will crash big time.  I maintain the position you cannot support a hyperinflationary event unless the end Konsumers get access to the Free Money being printed.

The caveat to that would be if the Chinese go wholesale into Dollar Dumping, but in that case Da Goobermint of the FSofA could just drop massive Tariffs on all food exports.  This would be a good way to divest the Chinese of all their savings, since it would raise Food prices for them to the MOON while maintaining local food prices pretty well.  The Chinese would of course retaliate, but they would have a tough time doing that economically since what they produce is mostly discretionary Toys.  So they would have to try a different means of retaliation.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on April 22, 2012, 08:04:53 PM
Pdf file China just downloaded perfectly RE   :emthup:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: sensetti on April 22, 2012, 08:32:03 PM
I look forward to the day when things will be made and grown at home. Will be a much better world.
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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on April 23, 2012, 03:14:52 AM
@ sensetti   It sure will, as long as we don't have to buy the seeds from Monsanto.
Title: The Limits to Mankind
Post by: RE on April 27, 2012, 12:27:26 AM
Reprint of a response I made to Ashvin on TAE in his "The Limits to Mankind" thread.

http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=2429&Itemid=96#2430 (http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=2429&Itemid=96#2430)

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That was a fun dialogue presented there Ash.

We are as usual in basic agreement about the general improbability of being able to maintain any kind of steady state ourselves in the absence of an external predator.  This would be the Catch-22 of being the absolute TOP of the Food Chain.

However, in a lower energy world where techno-med was not available and nutrition was thin, there are plenty of microscopic predators out there who will do the job of Population Control on Humanity.  I don't think we really have to worry much about a world of 12B People by 2050.  Disease vectors alone will make that one improbable to achieve.

The question of "growth" in whoever is left standing after this knockdown of population is kind of ephemeral, its all in how you define the growth.  If growth to you means greater physical comforts, further growth here is highly unlikely. However, that does not mean there cannot be further Spiritual and Intellectual Growth in a low energy world.

I'll give the example of Chess, which I recently discussed over in the Diner.  You like Poker metaphors, I like to use Chess because there is no chance at all involved in Chess, nothing random at all.  Yet the outcomes and the Games still are Infinite. Even under an energy paradigm at the paleolithic level, thinkers could still play Chess with Rocks and explore all the variations, to find the Holy Grail of the series of moves that will work so White will Win every time, just as you must always win every time if you play first in the game of Tic Tac Toe.  If I had nothing to do with my day but spend 4 hours collecting worms and grasshoppers to eat and then could spend the rest of my day playing chess, I'd still have an intellectually challenging and fulfilling life.  Tasty well presented Deserts don't make my life fulfilling, and as you mention, a Ding Dong is pretty much just as good as Chocolate Mousse slathered over Truffles or whatever.

The Universe presents itself to you in the Night Sky, which is a whole lot more visible when there aren't any ground level Lights burning.  There is much still to elucidate just watching the movement of the stars and planets with the naked eye, you do not even really need a Telescope.  Any child starting from Scratch can spend a lifetime learning this stuff, its highly challenging to memorize the entire night sky as the Polynesian Naviagators did, and they were STONE AGE people.  You just cannot GET a lower energy footprint than that as Homo Sapiens, yet they still had a challenging intellectual challenge and a body of knowledge to learn from childhood that took a lifetime to acquire.

On a Spiritual Level, we still cannot resolve fundamental existential questions, but they do provide fodder for specualtion into all eternity. Like the Holy Grail of the Perfect Chess Game, it is possible that evetually the question of the Existence of God could be resolved.  I know I can debate this one into all eternity and be very entertained and have much to think on through that time.

From my POV, the people who worry about our potential for Growth in a low energy world are far too materialistic in their outlook.  We still have a LOT of "Growing" to do, in our Intellectual and Spiritual knowledge and most certainly in how we organize our societies as Homo Sapiens.  That THIS society with its high energy requirements and low equity will crash big time, of this I have no doubt.  Like the Deer on St. Matthews Island, the 7B people currently walking the Earth will go down so fast when TSHTF truly it will boggle the mind.  For those few who do remain standing though, there is much growth possible in a low energy world.  IMHO, more growth possible than was achieved through all the years of the Age of Oil with all the Computers and all the Toys we have become so enamored of.  The growth that is IMPORTANT is growth of Understanding, and that all happens inside the Human Mind. It may have limits, but we are nowhere near reaching them yet.  The main question is whether we will ever have a chance to explore them, or if we will instead auto-extinguish our presence on the Earth and end this great experience with sentience we began so long ago.  I for one hope that does not happen, but the days ahead do look dark indeed.  You won't survive though if you capitulate to the Darkness, so I will carry on here as long as I can.  Pass on what I can to the children I teach, and then eventually watch what comes to pass from my perch in the Great beyond, as I do now from my more limited perch on the Last Great Frontier.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on April 27, 2012, 04:01:04 AM
uh oh is it time for me to head to the TAE peanut gallery? LOL.

 :violent5:

he's baa-ack.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 27, 2012, 08:20:37 AM
uh oh is it time for me to head to the TAE peanut gallery? LOL.

 :violent5:

he's baa-ack.

Let the Games begin!  I wrote a reply straight out of bed to Ilargi's zinger.  Did they ever think of dropping a byline in on those articles?  Everything is written by "admin".

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on April 27, 2012, 09:42:19 AM
Made a quick pit stop at TAE to witness the return of Big Daddy, HO HUM, was bored half to death in two minutes. Nothing against the place, just doesn't work for me anymore.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 28, 2012, 12:24:28 AM
uh oh is it time for me to head to the TAE peanut gallery? LOL.

 :violent5:

he's baa-ack.

BTW, the Over-Under was 5 days or 50 posts after Ilargi returned.  Day 1 done, and I think around 5 posts or so so far, and still have my posting priviledges!    :kloguck:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on April 28, 2012, 02:08:29 AM
well it looks like you need to pick up the pace, then. :) on the other hand you did try to poach that heathenry article. props!

 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on April 28, 2012, 11:04:21 PM
For those of you not currently following the "Limits to Mankind" thread on TAE begun by Ilargi, I suggest you do so because it is getting downright entertaining now.  I', crossing swords with Steve, Ashvin and Ilargi all in the same thread! URL for this thread is

http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=2429&Itemid=96 (http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=2429&Itemid=96)

  Here's my last posts before bedtime


steve from virginia wrote:
 
RE: you have to go over to Skeptical Science and make your climate change arguments there:
 
www.skepticalscience.com/ (http://www.skepticalscience.com/)
 
It's a blog much like this one. Let me know how it turns out.

 
You're kidding, right? Just how many blogs do you think I can effectively Troll and moderate the Tin Foil in the Diner at the same time? Admittedly I have fast keyboard fingers, but still if I get caught up in discussion over on SS it will limit how much time I have left over to Troll Automatic Earth and Economic Undertow. LOL.
 
Wait...I GOT it! This is a CONSPIRACY between you and Ashvin to get me busy trolling elsewhere so I stop bugging you! LOL.
 
Seriously, I'll go check out the blog and see if I can't insinuate myself in there and recruit a few new Diners. Sounds like a good Blog to do some Fishing of Commenters.
 

Leaving out volcanoes and asteroids, that we die and are compelled by Christ to eat too much, the rest of our problems are human problems and thus easily solved because we created the problems in the first place. For instance, if the public decided to be nuclear-free, the world would be nuclear free (it would take about 200 years to become so).

 
This assumes "the public" has any control over this sort of thing, which it does not short of a massive Revolution and Reign of Terror where we eviscerate the bowels of all the Illuminati. "The Public" hasn't had any control over this sort of shit for a LONG time. So to say this is under "our" control exhibits a complete lack of appreciation for who actually is running this show and making these choices.
 

Another more topical problem re- this article is the declining willingness to lend/borrow. This is because what is offered for repayment has no value.

 
The declining willingness to lend/borrow results from the declining resource base to L&B against. You can't lend more money to buy Oil that isn't there anymore. The Lenders used their control over the Capital base of Oil to lend money to buy that which they never really had a right to. If they don't have enough of the stuff left to sell but would rather keep what is left for themselves, WTF would they lend out more money to buy it and burn it? As you yourself have noted, you cannot Repo CO2 in the atmosphere.
 



The lending/borrowing process has stripped the world of value, what has been gained in return is transitory/abstract money wealth for a handful of robbers. We voluntarily submit to the robbers because we are afraid of violence that the robbers threaten us with. This isn't using resources to unman us, it is using the absence of resources to threaten us with more absence.


The submission is not voluntary, its enforced by the Gestapo all over the world. See the recent situation in Montreal. The violence the robbers threaten is very real, so in no sense is there voluntary sumbission going on here.
 



Left undisturbed the current regime will continue to unwind: fewer will lend because there is no value to obtain in the future. Nobody borrows or is able to do so because there is no net-present value: no returns to offset borrowing costs (even with negative real interest rates).

Value simply does not exist within a mature waste-based economy. Value here is capital. We not only destroy capital we have already destroyed too much capital.
 
Left to its own devices the credit will be stripped out of the entire industrial system which will stop working (as it requires a constant debt subsidy). That leaves the hairless monkeys with penises-in-hand and 440 conveniently located nuclear reactors boarded over with plywood making ominous ticking noises ...

We have to come up with values rather than 'money'. This is easy but antithetical to the current business approach. I suspect executions of high-level robbers would help the process of creating/discovering new values along ...

 
I agree with all the rest written above, and would just add that the Executions should be Televised and take a Full Season of Episodes to complete.
 
RE
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Do you mean our solar system's alignment with the center of the galaxy by "galactic ecliptic"? If so, then you have a slight problem, because there is no alignment. That is just a bogus myth perpetuated by the equally bogus 2012 apocalypse/new age crowd. Similarly, the Earth is not passing through any sort of highly charged "photon belt".

 
This is a myth? You are telling me the astronomy which generates this graphic is mythical?
 




Based on what I know about astronomy, the Milky Way Galaxy is a relatively flat disk, and so is our Solar System. All the Planets revolve around the Sun on near the same plane, and the Sun itself does oscillate inside the plane of the Galactic Eclipitc, with a periodicity I think I recall being around 16,000 years but not sure on that number exactly and I'm not going to go Googling for it now.
 
It only stands to reason that in the central plane of the Ecliptic you would have the most particles, because that is of course where most of the matter got distributed out in the first place. Whatever it is the whole GALAXY is revolving around is one mighty big Gravity Well, that is for sure. What ever is in the middle there is rotating and dragging everything in the well along with it, thus you get the shape of the Galaxy as a flat disk spiral. Such a gravity well is likely to be spewing out neutrinos in vast quantities along this plane, and neutrino detectors have been showing ever increasing neutrino flux as we approach the ecliptic.
 
So there is EVIDENCE here of the hard science sort, which hardly makes it a mythical idea, unless for some reason you find this astronomy to be suspect and mythical itself. So please elucidate for me what is mythical about the astronomy.
 
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RE's Geological & Cosmological Event Watch 2 hours, 35 minutes ago #2482


To add some further analytical depth from my end here, I republished an article I wrote in the direct aftermath of the Sendai quake which sent the Fuk-U-shima Reactors on their way to the Great Beyond.
 
Included in this article are further links to my discussions on the Peak Oil board during the Yellowstone Quake flurries with my friend Stormbringer and a few Geologists from the USGS and the Oil Patch.
 
You can read the full article at
 
www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/04/28/res-geological-cosmological-event-watch/ (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/04/28/res-geological-cosmological-event-watch/)
 
Just trying to fill you in here Ash on a LOT of conversation that led up to this theory. It doesn't come out of thin air, and if you read all the response posts on Peak Oil, I think you will get that this has a decent amount of "peer review".
 
Now, once again, please justify your assertion that passing through the galactic ecliptic is a "mythical" event concocted by New Age tin foil wingnuts.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 02, 2012, 11:21:26 PM
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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 02, 2012, 11:28:52 PM
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Title: The First Biological War
Post by: RE on May 05, 2012, 08:31:23 PM
Response I made in the parallel thread on TAE

http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=19&id=2661&Itemid=96#2665 (http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=19&id=2661&Itemid=96#2665)

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It depends upon how well you think the Global Elite of say 1200AD understood how disease works to decimate a population.
 
They don't have to understand the biology, just the EFFECT of hurling a Plaque Ridden Corpse over the wall of a City or Castle. If the effect is that inside of a decade or so everyone in the city is DEAD, even a near moron could put 2+2 together and realize that if you Infect your Enemy with Disease, its a WINNING strategy.
 
I am pretty sure that even going back to Babylon that it was understood how disease communicates itself, why else would they have created Leper Colonies and tried to isolate the infected? So you have millenia of experience here with plague and infection that does not require a microscope to understand WHY it happens, just the observation that it DOES happen.
 
Move forawr to the colonization of the Americas, it actually was attempted quite a bit earlier than even Columbus by the Vikings. They moved through Iceland and Greenland and established colonies which failed in "Vinland", which likely was Nova Scotia. Why did the NA colonies fail? Because others got there FIRST, the "Skralings" in the Icelandic Sagas.
 
The Vikings did not yet have WINNING Techno-Advantage over a much larger population of Neolithic people. Their metal swords and spear points were better, but not enough better to overcome the numbers differential. A wining advantage to decimate a Continental Size population had to wait for one or both of two things.
 
1-Massive force differential with the advent of Guns, Cannon and Gunpowder
 
2-Prior decimation of the population through disease.
 
At the time of the height of Viking conquest, they could not Know that eventually they would develop Gunpowder and Cannon. However, at that time they COULD know that it they sent Infected People off to those lands that those folks would infect others. That is ALL they have to Know, not the biology of it or how it works.
 
If you have a bunch of sick people in your town, you cannot cure them and you KNOW that if you put them on a boat and send them somewhere else those people will act like an Atom Bomb, and clear the land for you to colonize later, WHY would you not do that other than some moral reason which clearly these folks never considered at all?
 
I suspect that starting around 1000AD that sick people were put off shore in boats and pointed toward the Americas. The results are OBVIOUS. Between the years 1000AD and 1500AD, the population of the Americas dropped from around 30-50M to 1/10th of that.
 
An ACCIDENT? Maybe so, but not necessarily so. There are people out there always who think generations ahead, and that goes back into history a long way. It may have been a purposeful infection. It just does not take that much knowledge, just the knowldege that if you hyurl and infected corpse over a wall, everybody inside gets sick. The "wall" in this case was the Atlantic Ocean, and the Vikings breached that wall in around 1000AD. Plenty of time there to hurl a LOT of corpses over the wall.
 
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Title: The First Biological War
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 05, 2012, 08:43:06 PM
With all due respect, too far fetched for me.   :sorry:
Title: Re: The First Biological War
Post by: RE on May 05, 2012, 09:01:30 PM
With all due respect, too far fetched for me.   :sorry:

Due respect and all, "too far fetched" does not Cut the Mustard here in the Diner as an argument. Good Grief GO, we have people here arguing for the proposition that Reptilian Aliens are running the show and have been since the dawn of recorded history.  If you want to step up to the plate in the Diner and make an argument, you have to analyze the most far-fetched stuff within the limits of your imagination and start making some good arguments why such an idea might or might not be true.  I'm NOT in the camp with the Alien crowd here, but I NEVER make the argument against them it is too "far-fetched".  I just analyze why I do not think it is true based on what I observe and can drop down as observable fact.

Argue down my logic here GO, do not give me an umbrella argument like it is too 'far-fetched".  This IMHO is a copout argument for people unwilling to think outside the box of their OWN thinking.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 05, 2012, 09:20:19 PM
Cannot help it RE. My brain just rejects the notion as implausible sort of automatically or intuitively.   :icon_study:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 05, 2012, 09:39:52 PM
Cannot help it RE. My brain just rejects the notion as implausible sort of automatically or intuitively.   :icon_study:

Get over it.  You are a DINER now.  You have to Override automated responses that ""do not compute" with your programming.

No matter HOW outrageous it seems, you just have to try to look at the argument without preconceived notions.  Its hard, I struggle with it all the time.  Arguments are pitched out all the time here which are IMHO completely Wingnut, but I will never identify them as such.  I may have a completely wrong idea myself causing me to see such an idea as wingnut.  I HAVE to pursue it as I would any other idea and just look at what is knowable from my own first priciples and the facts I can elucidate that have little variance between observers.

If it seems outrageous to you, then you have to dissect it to say WHY it seems outrageous to you.  You cannot JUST say its too far fetched.  Not good enough on the Diner.  I do not accept this from myself, so I will not accept it from any other Diner.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on May 05, 2012, 09:53:55 PM
hey GO, you can always make up for it by declaring yourself a Woodian Truther.  ;D
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 05, 2012, 10:03:47 PM
It does not seem outrageous as much as totally improbable. How do i refute factually what appears to be a fantasy or fairy tale to my mind. Suppose I told you the truth about me, that I have a magic lamp and I rubbed it thirty years ago. A genie appeared and I told him to make me the Chairman of the Board of the Illuminati. I am data gathering and compiling a list of resisters for further disposition. You could be polite and say too far fetched for me. Or you could be impolite like Ashvin at TAE when you two were discussing the reptilians when he called the entire notion pure Hogwash. I would not expect a scientific paper on how genies do not exist in your reply. 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 05, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
Hey, My last post just brought back an oldie to mind :laugh: Magic Carpet Ride. Good one for the Juke Box.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 05, 2012, 10:16:52 PM
Thanks for the good advice reanteben. :laugh:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 05, 2012, 10:34:49 PM
It does not seem outrageous as much as totally improbable. How do i refute factually what appears to be a fantasy or fairy tale to my mind. Suppose I told you the truth about me, that I have a magic lamp and I rubbed it thirty years ago. A genie appeared and I told him to make me the Chairman of the Board of the Illuminati. I am data gathering and compiling a list of resisters for further disposition. You could be polite and say too far fetched for me. Or you could be impolite like Ashvin at TAE when you two were discussing the reptilians when he called the entire notion pure Hogwash. I would not expect a scientific paper on how genies do not exist in your reply.

When you look back into history, you cannot respond to anything "factually".  You always depend on reports which are at least third hand in anyhting over 100 years old, and that is really the important stuff.

You have to analyse history by juxtaposing it against human motivations, then SPECULATING on why any given histroical event played out as it did.  If you do it well, you gai a better grasp of the whys and wherefores of human history.  It is my opinion that decent amount of what we take from history now is plain wrong or in may cases purposefuly obfuscated.  I know this is true because of the many hours I spent with my Illuminati Spawn girlfriend oruing over Latin texts between mating acts.

Anyhow, on the subject at hand here, it seems to me at least it isw not only posible that it is probable that plague infested locations in Europe put to sea their infected people, and starting with the Vikings in 1000AD, these folks were able to make it to the NA Continent.  I also know the historyy of the Polynesian migr4ations throughout the Pacific ocean, which also occurred for the most part from around 500AD to 1000AD.  The navigational technology was in palce in that era to move people across the oceans.  Disease vectors are predictable things for anyone who has observed how they spread.  It is not a huge jump to imagine that some people sent sick people to the Americas inthe period from 1000 AD to 1500 AD.  All the technology to do that was already in place.  All that was necessary was the motivation to do so.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 05, 2012, 10:46:38 PM
Surely within the realm of possibility RE. It just seems so obvious to me that they were focused on more mundane matters back then like survival, exploring, shelter and such. I certainly do not think they were not intelligent enough, it just seems much too unlikely a focus point for folks at that time.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 05, 2012, 11:01:56 PM
I certainly do not think they were not intelligent enough, it just seems much too unlikely a focus point for folks at that time.

Not "intelligent" enough?  I think Aristotle was plenty intelligent, and he predated this period by millenia.  Copernicus was one mighty intelligent fellow, and he hit the period almost right on.  Isaac Newton came a bit later into the game in the 1600s but I do not think ANYONE would make the case that Isaac was not one really smart guy, and there have ALWAYS been smart people floating aroud through all ages.

What you have to deal with are the fact sets that smart people have to work with in any given age.  In my usual Hubristic fashion, put ME back in 1200 AD.  Do you think if *I* was a Viking who lusted after colonizing Vinland that *I* would not send all my sick people offshore and send them to infect the Skralings?  Darth Vader RE?  Damn, to me this is an OBVIOUS tactic you could take even with the fact set that they were working with in 1200 AD.  These folks were not STUPID people, they just didn't have the same set of techological things we have now.  Isaac Newton was a VERY smart guy.  So was Copernicus, so was Aristotle and so were many more whose names we will never know.

Take a trip  in Mr. Peabody's WAYBAC machine in your MIND, and imagine yourself a smart guy with the fact set they were working with.  It is more than possible that purposeful biuological warfare was undertaken.  They did it locally with plague infected corpses. Darth vader RE would certainly have sent sick people to th Americas.  It only makes SENSE on a Machiavellian playing field, and I am DEAD CERTAIN Isaac Newton was at LEAST as smart as I am.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on May 06, 2012, 12:56:39 AM
you misread Ox. he said he thought they were intelligent enough just not so inclined. you know i'm with you on the germ warfare. white man is the devil. 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on May 06, 2012, 07:49:19 AM
Have to weigh in here. Blame the pigs.

In his remarkable book, "1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus", Charles Mann posits-
1. (a) population levels in the Native Americans were probably higher than traditionally believed among scientists and closer to the number estimated by "high counters";
(b) humans probably arrived in the Americas earlier than thought, over the course of multiple waves of migration to the New World (not solely by the Bering land bridge over a relatively short period of time);
2. The level of cultural advancement and the settlement range of humans was higher and broader than previously imagined; and
3. The New World was not a wilderness at the time of European contact, but an environment which the indigenous peoples had altered for thousands of years for their benefit, mostly with fire.

You wouldn't have to have slave ships full of lepers or cholera victims to depopulate an area-- one or two sick soldiers would do the trick. What the Spaniards could not have known was that the native Americans had no biological resistance to Eurpoean diseases. The Spaniards arrived and the Indians died—in huge numbers and incredible rates. 

Mann attempts to piece together exactly how the Inca Empire fell, and if their population numbers far exceeded the armies of conquistadors, such as Francisco Pizarro. The Inca Empire collapsed because by the time Europeans arrived, smallpox and other epidemics had already swept through cities, due both to population density and mostly to the natives' lack of immunity to Eurasian diseases. 

Natives got the unclean end of the stick in the "Columbian exchange," the transfer of disease between the Old and New Worlds. They got smallpox to be sure, but the welcome basket included other deadly diseases such as typhus, measles, influenza, bubonic plague, cholera, malaria, tuberculosis, mumps, yellow fever, and whooping cough, which were chronic in Eurasia. The indigenous Americas also had a number of endemic diseases, such as tuberculosis and syphilis, which soon became rampant when brought back to the Old World. The diseases brought to the New World proved to be exceptionally deadly to the Native Americans. Mann goes on in some length to explain why.

From an article in The Atlantic by Mann in 2002:
"In May 30, 1539, Hernando de Soto landed his private army near Tampa Bay, in Florida. Soto, as he was called, was a novel figure: half warrior, half venture capitalist. He had grown very rich very young by becoming a market leader in the nascent trade for Indian slaves. The profits had helped to fund Pizarro's seizure of the Incan empire, which had made Soto wealthier still. Looking quite literally for new worlds to conquer, he persuaded the Spanish Crown to let him loose in North America. He spent one fortune to make another. He came to Florida with 200 horses, 600 soldiers, and 300 pigs.

From today's perspective, it is difficult to imagine the ethical system that would justify Soto's actions. For four years his force, looking for gold, wandered through what is now Florida, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Texas, wrecking almost everything it touched. The inhabitants often fought back vigorously, but they had never before encountered an army with horses and guns. Soto died of fever with his expedition in ruins; along the way his men had managed to rape, torture, enslave, and kill countless Indians. But the worst thing the Spaniards did, some researchers say, was entirely without malice—bring the pigs.

According to Charles Hudson, an anthropologist at the University of Georgia who spent fifteen years reconstructing the path of the expedition, Soto crossed the Mississippi a few miles downstream from the present site of Memphis. It was a nervous passage: the Spaniards were watched by several thousand Indian warriors. Utterly without fear, Soto brushed past the Indian force into what is now eastern Arkansas, through thickly settled land—"very well peopled with large towns," one of his men later recalled, "two or three of which were to be seen from one town." Eventually the Spaniards approached a cluster of small cities, each protected by earthen walls, sizeable moats, and deadeye archers. In his usual fashion, Soto brazenly marched in, stole food, and marched out. 

After Soto left, no Europeans visited this part of the Mississippi Valley for more than a century. Early in 1682 whites appeared again, this time Frenchmen in canoes. One of them was Réné-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de la Salle. The French passed through the area where Soto had found cities cheek by jowl. It was deserted—La Salle didn't see an Indian village for 200 miles. About fifty settlements existed in this strip of the Mississippi when Soto showed up, according to Anne Ramenofsky, an anthropologist at the University of New Mexico. By La Salle's time the number had shrunk to perhaps ten, some probably inhabited by recent immigrants. Soto "had a privileged glimpse" of an Indian world, Hudson says. "The window opened and slammed shut. When the French came in and the record opened up again, it was a transformed reality. A civilization crumbled. The question is, how did this happen?"

The question is even more complex than it may seem. Disaster of this magnitude suggests epidemic disease. In the view of Ramenofsky and Patricia Galloway, an anthropologist at the University of Texas, the source of the contagion was very likely not Soto's army but its ambulatory meat locker: his 300 pigs. Soto's force itself was too small to be an effective biological weapon. Sicknesses like measles and smallpox would have burned through his 600 soldiers long before they reached the Mississippi. But the same would not have held true for the pigs, which multiplied rapidly and were able to transmit their diseases to wildlife in the surrounding forest. When human beings and domesticated animals live close together, they trade microbes with abandon. Over time mutation spawns new diseases: avian influenza becomes human influenza, bovine rinderpest becomes measles. Unlike Europeans, Indians did not live in close quarters with animals—they domesticated only the dog, the llama, the alpaca, the guinea pig, and, here and there, the turkey and the Muscovy duck. In some ways this is not surprising: the New World had fewer animal candidates for taming than the Old. Moreover, few Indians carry the gene that permits adults to digest lactose, a form of sugar abundant in milk. Non-milk-drinkers, one imagines, would be less likely to work at domesticating milk-giving animals. But this is guesswork. The fact is that what scientists call zoonotic disease was little known in the Americas. Swine alone can disseminate anthrax, brucellosis, leptospirosis, taeniasis, trichinosis, and tuberculosis. Pigs breed exuberantly and can transmit diseases to deer and turkeys. Only a few of Soto's pigs would have had to wander off to infect the forest. 

Indeed, the calamity wrought by Soto apparently extended across the whole Southeast. The Coosa city-states, in western Georgia, and the Caddoan-speaking civilization, centered on the Texas-Arkansas border, disintegrated soon after Soto appeared. The Caddo had had a taste for monumental architecture: public plazas, ceremonial platforms, mausoleums. After Soto's army left, notes Timothy K. Perttula, an archaeological consultant in Austin, Texas, the Caddo stopped building community centers and began digging community cemeteries. Between Soto's and La Salle's visits, Perttula believes, the Caddoan population fell from about 200,000 to about 8,500—a drop of nearly 96 percent. In the eighteenth century the tally shrank further, to 1,400. An equivalent loss today in the population of New York City would reduce it to 56,000—not enough to fill Yankee Stadium. "That's one reason whites think of Indians as nomadic hunters," says Russell Thornton, an anthropologist at the University of California at Los Angeles. "Everything else—all the heavily populated urbanized societies—was wiped out."
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on May 06, 2012, 08:01:24 AM
RE, all,
I actually responded to this thread in the Forum before I read the blog post, so if I repeat myself, forgive me.

Greatly entertained by the blog article. Erratum, in my original writing: it was the Spaniard deSoto who drove up the Mississippi mid 16th century, not the French.

The pigs as a disease vector remains a tantalizing theory.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 06, 2012, 08:55:20 AM
you misread Ox. he said he thought they were intelligent enough just not so inclined. you know i'm with you on the germ warfare. white man is the devil.

 :oops:

OK, misread the unintelligent part, but WHY would they have not been so inclined?  Same folks were hurling plague ridden corpses over city walls.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 06, 2012, 09:05:02 AM
Surly has the answer, it was the pigs. That theory I can handle with no problems.  :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 06, 2012, 09:26:26 AM
Have to weigh in here. Blame the pigs.

The Pigs may have been an additional vector for disease transmission besides smallpox infected soldiers in Desoto's crew, but this doesn't negate the hypothesis that possibly Desoto and his whole crew of soldiers AND their disease-ridden pigs were not purposefully sent en masse to the Americas as a Biological Nuke.

The fact Desoto went trekking around as much as he did certainly could be interpreted as a directive to spread disease around the continent to eliminate the Skralings for future colonization.

Also, I still have problems with that century long wait between Desoto's expedition and the first NA Colonies in the 1600s.  Why would they WAIT to colonize except for the reason of waiting until the diseases had run their course through the population and done the dirty work of Genocide for them?

Interestingly, its mainly the Ag based societies like the Mound Builders that were wiped out by the initial go-round of disease in the wake of the Spanish expeditions.  The HG population was not quite so affected as in a total wipeout.  Wiping out the HGs with Smallpox-infected Blankets had to wait until there was migration to their territories by the Biological Warriors of the time.

The question of direction and intentionality by the Illuminati of the time remains shrouded in mystery.  However, given the Machiavellian nature of the current crop of Illuminati scumbags, I sure would not negate the possibility that Desoto and his whole crew were not selected specifically for being infected with disease, and the ships they took to the New World financed by Illuminati with the intention of clearing the land of pesky natives for their descendants a century down the line to colonize.

Illuminati probably DID know about the Viking expeditions of Erik the Red and Leif Erikson, since the Vikings were also the "Rus" who founded the Ruskie Aristocracy, and so probably knew about their failure in establishing colonies in North America because it was already occupied.  So when they finally did have better technology than just Longboats to cross the Atlantic, they delivered Biological Nukes first, waited a century or so and then easily took over two whole continents mostly devoid of people now long dead.

Without Mr. Peabody's WAYBAC Machine, we'll never know whether it was planned and intentional or not.  What we DO know for sure though is that in the Warfare of the era, hurling Plague Infected Corpses over City Walls with a Trebuchet was pretty common tactics.  I'll still give it a high probability for truth that disease was spread on purpose and planned for by the Illuminati.

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Title: Bring on the Spanish Inquisition!
Post by: RE on May 06, 2012, 01:26:21 PM
Comment I made in the "Intuition" thread on TAE
http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=15&id=2597&Itemid=96#2684 (http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=15&id=2597&Itemid=96#2684)

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Quote from: RE
I  more or less read through Triv and Ash's arguments relating to relying on "authorities" for making still FURTHER arguments, and of course everybody on all sides does this, even *I* do it occassionally.

The length of this debate is pretty extraordinary, even by internet standards and I will admit to not having the patience to read through all of it, I mostly skimmed it.

From my POV, all "authority" figures are just other folks who have opinions.  If their opinions agree with my own, I'll cite them as backup for my arguments.  If their opinions contradict my own, I will deconstruct them to the best of my ability and show why they make no sense based on certain first priciples and postulates I hold to be true.

A Ph.D. in Economics or Physics does not make you any smarter than any other randomly selected person a priori.  It just means you went through a particular course of study for a relatively long time to get that sheepskin. Ph.D.s commit logical fallacies as often as anyone else, the main problem here is that when they make mistakes if they are inside the control structure those mistakes have far greater consequences than if J6P makes a mistake with balancing his Checking Account.

Mainly to cut through all the BULLSHIT you have to stick to whatever first principles you have that you think guide human motivations.  Far as the Dollar is concerned, at this point in time it makes no sense to hyperinflate it.  At the same time, control over the levers of money creation is suspect on all levels. Its not Helicopter Ben who really creates the money, its 1000's of Banksters creating Financial instruments like CDS and MBS that do that.  Da Fed only REACTS to creation of money made in aggregate by the Lenders, pushing out the necessary FRNs only AFTER the obligations are taken on. Never of course accounting for the INTEREST involved, which eventually does compound up to the point that the whole sysem is compromised..

For as  long as the Money Masters have CONTROL of the situation, you will not get a hyperinflation.  Deflation in asset values wroks more to their interest after a long period of steady inflation such as has occurred over the las few decades.  However, because many of the "assets" based on cheap energy are no longer assets but rather liabilities, they are going to try to offload those assets for CASH, and if Da Fed or any other CB will push out Debt Notes to cover those assets, a Hyperinflation always remains possible. Its not a near term likelihood for the Dollar, but it is a nearer term likelihod for Yen and Euro.

The End Game of Hyperinflation vs Deflation really is not that important though, because either way the monetary system as it is structured will crash here.   Both scenarios halt trade; both scenarios end up with warfare as the final outcome.  Always has, always will for so long as MONEY is used for resource distrbution.   Money of ANY type at all BTW, matters not if it is Fiat or PM based.  Moeny ITSELF is Evil, in all it's incarnations.  It is the ROOT of ALL EVIL.  It must be eradicated from the face of the Earth, and all who promote its use must be given a one way TICKET to the Great Beyond, the sooner the better for the survival of Homo Sapiens on this Planet.

Bring on the Inquisition. NOBODY expects a Spanish Inquisition.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9-nzYwpkDwU/TyCmkI0jkKI/AAAAAAAAAHI/XlJaHyhTB54/s1600/Monty-Python-Spanish-Inquisition-9.jpg)

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Title: Escape from the Eurozone
Post by: RE on May 07, 2012, 12:37:04 AM
Post I made tonight in response to Triv on TAE.
http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=15&id=2687&Itemid=96 (http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=15&id=2687&Itemid=96)
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Quote from: Triv
All this talk about "state spending" to save the day, but NOBODY talks about "money" being debt and the absurdity of issuing more debt to "fix" a problem of debt saturation.

That TRUTH is *off limits*.

Just as the TRUTH that the Federal Reserve...

1. Lies about its mandate.
2. Broke its true mandate that it hides through its lies.
3. The breaking of said mandate is one of the main reasons America finds itself in financial crisis.

Nope, nobody talks about THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENTS of our situation....

The emperor's "wardrobe" is clearly off limits.

"The emperor has not clothes."
~Moi

Why doesn't anyone care enough to discuss this nature of the reality in which we live?

How do they control the information flow?

How do we break down their media "Berlin Wall?"

Triv, minor point to make here.  The PROBLEMS they have in Eurotrashland are not created by Da Fed, they use EUROS there and the ECB issues them, not Da Fed.  Same folks control the issuance of both currencies though, and they are both debt based currencies, but in the case of Europe, it is "Debt-Euro Tyranny" not "Debt-Dollar Tyranny".

Next thing I would quibble with is this

Quote from: Triv
Why doesn't anyone care enough to discuss this nature of the reality in which we live?

MANY people care about this Triv, including I think just about all the readership of TAE and DD combined, as well as vastly more people reading Zero Hedge and Ticker Forum.  Sadly of course, even including the most widely read Blogs, the percentage of the population truly AWARE of what is going on here remains quite small.

As to WHY most people don't seem to CARE, its partially ignorance but I think to a greater extent its the realization that they simply have no POWER to make a difference.  Not at the ballot box for sure, and even the Streets are a questionable modus operandi for effecting any change.

Then of course is the problem of FEAR, since almost everyone who still has any "money" has to KNOW they will lose ALL of it when Da Fed collapses.  Anyone at all with a Pension or 401K with Stocks and Bonds in it denoting "wealth" they have accumulated during their lifetime (and perhaps from generations before) does not want to see this system go down the toilet.  There is a lot of resistance to letting it all fail, because in the grand failure, about ALL wealth will be wiped out here.

Finally, the underlying problem that most people do not want to grasp onto or accept is the failure of the industrial model and the inexorable decline into a low energy world of the future.  The monetary system is just a proxy for the energy, its failiing because there is not enough cheap energy available to sustain the GROWTH necessary for an interest based monetary system to succeed anyore.  The Greeks don't WANT to give up their electric lights and BMWs vendor financed from Germany, but they are being FORCED to give them up because they are low man on the Totem Pole here and are being triaged out here first.  Similarly, J6P here in the FSofA ALSO does not want to give up this lifestyle, and propping up the Dollar Game keeps it all running for one more day far as the FSofA is concerned.  As Steve on EU notes, Demand Destruction in Greece and the rest of Europe is like finding a whole new Ghanwar Oil Field.  Long as the Dollar still works, Oil the Greeks no longer can buy is Oil FSofA J6P can buy instead.  When Da Fed and the Dollar FAIL, we are Greece.

Anyhow, those of us here in the FSofA still employed with access to some of the Debt Money remain in the Catbird Seat while the rest of the world is Burning.  The underlying problem though is NOT with Da Fed or Debt-Dollar Tyranny, because the monetary system issues cross over to Euros, Yen, Won and yes even Renminby.  The problem is GLOBAL, it is not restricted to FSofA profligacy in Goobermint or any other nation's profligacy in Goobermint.  The real Tyranny we are dealing with is a monetary system devised long ago which runs the world, and it crosses all borders now.  Da Fed is only the latest incarnation of a long running Ponzi scheme, which AT LEAST goes back to the founding of the Bank of England in 1692, but more than likely goes back in time a good deal further than that.  Focusing on Ben Bernanke and Da Fed as the Evil Incarnate is a MISTAKE.  Helicopter Ben is just a Front Man in this organization, he is disposable and will eb disposed of as time goes by here.

It is the system ITSELF which must be eradicated, and that is the system of Money itself, Debt or PM based does not matter.  Matters not who runs the system either, because the ssytem itself is the Evil.  Money is the ROOT of all Evil, and must be wiped from the face of the Earth for Homo Sapiens to survive.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on May 07, 2012, 11:41:48 AM
The Pigs may have been an additional vector for disease transmission besides smallpox infected soldiers in Desoto's crew, but this doesn't negate the hypothesis that possibly Desoto and his whole crew of soldiers AND their disease-ridden pigs were not purposefully sent en masse to the Americas as a Biological Nuke.

The fact Desoto went trekking around as much as he did certainly could be interpreted as a directive to spread disease around the continent to eliminate the Skralings for future colonization.

Also, I still have problems with that century long wait between Desoto's expedition and the first NA Colonies in the 1600s.  Why would they WAIT to colonize except for the reason of waiting until the diseases had run their course through the population and done the dirty work of Genocide for them?

Interestingly, its mainly the Ag based societies like the Mound Builders that were wiped out by the initial go-round of disease in the wake of the Spanish expeditions.  The HG population was not quite so affected as in a total wipeout.  Wiping out the HGs with Smallpox-infected Blankets had to wait until there was migration to their territories by the Biological Warriors of the time.

The question of direction and intentionality by the Illuminati of the time remains shrouded in mystery.  However, given the Machiavellian nature of the current crop of Illuminati scumbags, I sure would not negate the possibility that Desoto and his whole crew were not selected specifically for being infected with disease, and the ships they took to the New World financed by Illuminati with the intention of clearing the land of pesky natives for their descendants a century down the line to colonize.

Illuminati probably DID know about the Viking expeditions of Erik the Red and Leif Erikson, since the Vikings were also the "Rus" who founded the Ruskie Aristocracy, and so probably knew about their failure in establishing colonies in North America because it was already occupied.  So when they finally did have better technology than just Longboats to cross the Atlantic, they delivered Biological Nukes first, waited a century or so and then easily took over two whole continents mostly devoid of people now long dead.

Without Mr. Peabody's WAYBAC Machine, we'll never know whether it was planned and intentional or not.  What we DO know for sure though is that in the Warfare of the era, hurling Plague Infected Corpses over City Walls with a Trebuchet was pretty common tactics.  I'll still give it a high probability for truth that disease was spread on purpose and planned for by the Illuminati.

RE

Have to take issue with some of your leaps of logic.

One-- the "gap in time;" Europeans were full up with intramurals during the 16th-17th century: all of the Great Powers of Europe and the Middle East were actively fighting numerous wars throughout this period, grouped in rough geographical and chronological terms as the European wars of religion between the 1520s and the 1640s (including the Thirty Years' War, the Eighty Years' War and the Wars of the Three Kingdoms) and the Franco-Spanish War (1635–1659); the Northern Wars, Polish–Swedish wars and Russo-Swedish Wars; the Russo-Turkish Wars, Ottoman–Habsburg wars, and other Ottoman wars in Europe. Much like Dick Cheney, they had "other priorities." Also, the French and Spanish were rivals. I have no idea whether the french knew about deSoto's travels.

Go back and read some of the sources: las casas, or W.H Prescott's magisterial History of the conquest of Mexico, and History of the Conquest of Peru, in which the original sources are quoted extensively (in Spanish.) I once spent the better part of a year with this book and a Spanish-English dictionary, trying to understand the history of mesoamerica--a year that was actually very well spent.) The Spaniards' motivations were elemental: greed, conquest, subjugation, and above all, booty. Carrying along priests to "convert" the natives offered some minimal moral cover for the enterprise. Enough soldiers died from tropical conditions and hostilities that the idea of transporting, then marching sick people through the jungles fails the most elemental tests of logic.

Note that I do not take issue with the fact that biological warfare was waged by our great-grandfathers, whether plague bodies rocketed over the walls, or smallpox-infected blankets. It is rather, with the motivations in deSoto's case, which I believe were exploration and glory. DeSoto was a wholly rotten SOB, who, as lieutenant to Pizarro in Peru, was part of seveal episodes of extortion and murder that would make any Illuminatus proud. Receiving a mounted soldier's share of the plunder from Atahualpa's camp, Atahualpa's ransom, and the plunder from Cuzco, de Soto became very wealthy.

From wiki:
"De Soto returned to Spain with an enormous share of the Spanish conquest of the Inca Empire. He was admitted into the prestigious Order of Santiago. His share was awarded to him by the King of Spain, and he received 724 marks of gold, 17,740 pesos.[6] He married Isabel de Bobadilla, daughter of Pedrarias Dávila and a relative of a confidante of Queen Isabella.

De Soto petitioned King Charles for the government of Guatemala with "permission to make discovery in the South Sea," but was granted the governorship of Cuba instead. De Soto was expected to colonize the North American continent for Spain within four years, for which his family would be given a sizeable piece of land.

Fascinated by the stories of Cabeza de Vaca, Spain's just returned North American explorer, de Soto selected 620 eager Spanish and Portuguese volunteers, some of African descent, for the governing of Cuba and conquest of North America. Averaging 24 years of age, they eventually embarked from Havana on seven of the King's ships and two caravels of de Soto's. With tons of heavy armour and equipment, they had a livestock count came to over 500, including 237 horses and 200 pigs for their four-year continental expedition."

Given the poor state of medical knowledge in the 16th century, carrying along the sick for use as a bioweapon would have been extremely dangerous to the healthy, would have impaired deSoto's ambitions and would have been impractical. No dounbt he would have done it if he could; but he had no idea what he would face in the interior of North America. I'm saying he couldn't have.

One amateur's opinion.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 07, 2012, 01:56:44 PM

Have to take issue with some of your leaps of logic.

I agree overall that the greater likelihood is for more of an "accidental" infection and less of a "purposeful" one.  At the same time, all it would have taken is One Illuminati to finance one ship we never read about in the history books filled with one crew of infected people and purposefully drop them off at various intervals along the coast, and POOF, a Century later you have unoccupied land!

Purposeul or Accidental, it still was the First Biological War, and if the Illuminati didn't realize how they could use this method before, they certainly know how it works now.

I SEE Dead People

(http://blog.beyondtrust.com/Portals/44952/images/i-see-dead-people.jpg)

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 07, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
Another of my patented anti-Money, "Root of All Evil" arguments, this time hurled at Triv over on TAE  :nibble:

RE

http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=15&id=2687&Itemid=96 (http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=15&id=2687&Itemid=96)

Quote from: Triv
If money is evil and, say, gold is not (it's an asset, not "money"), what evil can money (money) do that gold (can not do)?
Quote from: RE
Actually, according to Gold Bugs, Gold is the only "Sound Money".  Any asset can become money when used as a proxy in trade, and any asset so used would then become Evil.  Again, it is not the "thing" itself representing money that is Evil, it is the SYSTEM of money that is Evil.  Its basically a system of placing artificial numerical values to things based on a couple of things, managed scarcity and property ownership.  It automatically divides the world into a class of Haves and a class of Have Nots.  The Haves control most/all of the resources and define the numerical values for the resources they control.  The Evil is an emergent property which comes from the division into Haves and Have Nots.  It then spawns Jealousy, Avarice, Greed and the whole pantheon  of nasty behaviors we see before us today.

Once you create money, you also create the problem of borrowing and lending and the further problem of developing derivative schemes used to Gamble the money, and of course Gambling is yet another Evil spawned by Money.  You cannot stop these "Games" from emerging from the system, once you let the Money Genie out of the Bottle it all goes south in a big hurry.  Always has, since the Dawn of Agriculture and counting systems.

Money is like a Cancer on society, it grows and metasticizes over time and eventually all the funtioning organs of society begin to break down, until it goes through one of its periodic collapse phases.

In the past, rebuilds have always taken place because although their was managed scarcity in resources by the Elite Owners of the World, in fact the Earth was still always in great surplus relative to the population of Homo Sapiens.  Not so anymore of course, because of the combination of Overshoot and Resource depletion, Surplus is just about gone and now whole societies like the Egyptians and Greeks are beeing triaged out to keep some surplus for the core.  Soon enough that will disappear as well, and then the monetary system will fail in its entirety and you will get your wish, Da Fed will be No More.

Schemes will be tried to reboot a new monetary system, but they are all unlikely to succeed until there is once againa relative surplus in the environment, and that will not likely be the case for quite some time to come.  Unfortunately of course, as Uncle Joe Stalin used to say, "you can't make an Omellette without breaking a few eggs", and many eggs will be broken when this monetary system finally goes to the Great Beyond.  One can only hope that whoever makes it through the Zero Point this time will be smart enough not to walk down the Money Road again.  Its the only way Homo Sapiens will survive on this planet; the use of Money will oly lead to our own Extinction.  It is the ROOT of All Evil.

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Title: Frostbite Falls Insider
Post by: RE on May 09, 2012, 01:34:15 AM
I have just created a new Child Board in the Kitchen Sink, the Frosbite Falls Insider.  If you are not yet a Member here in the Diner, this Board is not visible to you.  It is a Members Only board, as also the Smokehouse Barbecue is a Members Only Board as well.

I created this board specifically to encourage Lurkers here to become official Diners. I'll still post up here in the Frosbite Falls Daily Rant for Guests and Newbys to read, but the Insider is where all the reallty FUN stuff will be in the future :-) It's the place for the "In" crowd to congregate in the Diner.  For members here, if you have stuff you want to write which you do not want to put up for general consumption but just want to get feedback from other Diners, you can begin your own threads in the Insider.

Of course, the Mod Squad here also has the Back Room, but I thought it would be a good idea for Members here also to have a more Private Room for discussing stuff they do not want the whole World Wide Web reading.

If insider threads have some material which should be distributed out to Diner Guests, I can split threads and move them out for more general consumption.  I will leave it to Thread originators to decide if they want to make some of the posts in a given thread  open for Public consumption.

Do remember of course that TPTB  probably can access anything on this website, and anything you ever write might someday come back to haunt you.  In most respects though, what you write in the Insider will only be seen or read by other Diners.  So if you have something to write that you don't want the whole WORLD to see, but just a few fellow Diners, the Insder Board is the place to put it.

I will also float new Blog posts in the Insider first, so you get to read them first in the Insider before they go out for general consumption.  The Insider will be the "Cutting Edge" for new Diner dishes.

Join up today to get the best eats in the Diner!

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Title: Newz Page Update
Post by: RE on May 15, 2012, 12:22:36 AM
Well, I finally got round to updating the Newz Page.  Updated the Hot Topic (JPMC Beached London Whale), added a Titanic Graphic, updated entries from TAE and EU and added a DD Juke Box Vid  below the DD Comics link.  Took almost 2 hours to get it all to look right on the page.

I'm going to TRY to update this page once a week.  I do like it better as the Main Link for doing Link Baiting on other websites than the Blog Page.  The reader gets hit with many of the Features of DD all on one quick page for EZ reading, and the Slider features the Blog Posts as well.

If you Link Bait DD, this page comes up as the Redirect from the .com URL.

http://www.doomsteaddiner.com (http://www.doomsteaddiner.com)

The Blog Page comes up if you use the .org addy

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net)

We are getting plenty of Page Hits now, though it's pretty certain most of them are Spiders.  I don't think I will worry much more about Site Stats, I'm more interested now in the QUALITY of the discussion in the Forum than I am QUANTITY of Net Numbers.  One thing we are missing so far here is the DEPTH of debate we had on Reverse Engineering.  I attribute this mostly to getting used to the new Forum software and "settling in" to the Mansion that Peter Built.

Anyhow, I feel we are now into a New Phase, that of settling in and relaxing some in the Diner.  Plenty out there to hash out these days, almost TOOOOO Much really.  Hard to focus down on any one topic and chew through it well.  Still, better to have too much to discuss than too little.

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Title: Riding the Rails on the Last Great Frontier
Post by: RE on May 23, 2012, 12:10:05 AM
Now up on the Blog Homepage.

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/05/22/riding-the-rails-on-the-last-great-frontier/ (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/05/22/riding-the-rails-on-the-last-great-frontier/)

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 25, 2012, 12:28:10 PM
Too any member logging on recently RE has been notified of the hacker is in process of removing him  GO
Title: Spam Attack!
Post by: RE on May 25, 2012, 12:47:41 PM
Too any member logging on recently RE has been notified of the hacker is in process of removing him  GO

Well, that was rather tedious.  I got the Bans done on the IP addys and then deleted the Ads individually.  I'm sure there is an easier way to do this in bulk by username but I don't know how to do that yet.

Hopefully Peter can upgrade the Spam Protection.

Sorry for the inconvenience.  Now back to our regularly scheduled Doom.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on May 25, 2012, 01:43:00 PM
If you find out how pls advise. He was posting them up faster than I could delete them...
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 25, 2012, 02:11:28 PM
If you find out how pls advise. He was posting them up faster than I could delete them...

Instructions now up inthe Back Room

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Title: Your DD Cartoon Character Identity
Post by: RE on May 25, 2012, 02:56:20 PM
OK, new IDEA!

All Diners have to pick out a Cartoon Character as their Cartoon Alter Ego.  You don't have to use it as your Avatar but you have to pick one out or I will pick one for you  :evil4:  You don't want me to stick you with Snidley Whiplash, right?

(http://www.claytowne.com/beats-digging-ditches/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/snidely_whiplash_working_on_laptop1.gif)

We all know my Cartoon ID

(http://michaelhendrick.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/bullwinkle.jpg)

Can't wait to see your choices!  Get in early before all the good characters are taken.

RE

Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 25, 2012, 04:42:46 PM
May as well face the music. Hi everybody, it's me  GO following RE's direct orders, don't dilly dally, do what the dungeon master says. If he has to pick for you it will not be pretty, of that you can be certain.   GO >
mad magazine guy alfred e bushmid gif
mad magazine guy alfred e bushmid gif
:hello:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 25, 2012, 05:14:29 PM
thq
Alfred E Newman&bush
Alfred E Newman&bush
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  ;D
 :hello:                                                                                                    :hello:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 25, 2012, 05:40:51 PM
Bush Quotes ngin
Bush Quotes ngin
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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on May 25, 2012, 10:13:38 PM
        Since I don't know what possible choices are permitted, and I'm not sure if Annie Oakley ever became a cartoon character, I will choose Wonder Woman. Hope it fits with your plan. Sincerely, Annie
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 25, 2012, 11:13:53 PM
        Since I don't know what possible choices are permitted, and I'm not sure if Annie Oakley ever became a cartoon character, I will choose Wonder Woman. Hope it fits with your plan. Sincerely, Annie

Superheroes are kind of another Category.  Same thing for Alfred E Newman, the one GO picked.  Those are more or less realistic drawings of Hominids.  I was thinking more of the Saturday Morning Cartoon characters of Warner Brothers, Hannah-Barbera and Jay Ward.  Also Japanese Manga like Astro Boy and might fit the category.

I was thinking more of characters like Magilla Gorilla, Huckleberry Fin, Quick Draw McGraw, Flintstones and Jetsons characters etc.  The Pickin's are somewhat slim here for Female characters though in this set.  You do have though Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Betty & Veronica from the Archie series, the Powerpuff Girls.

Anyhow, I'll leave it open for interpretation. Wonder Woman is pretty good.

(http://www.nysun.com/pics/3811_large.jpg)

For all the Gunfight themed posting, Annie Oakley is a good choice to carve out.

(http://images.wikia.com/39clues/images/4/46/Annie_Oakley.jpg)

Don't forget Mrs. Peel from the Avengers either!

(http://www.moviecritic.com.au/images/diana-rigg-as-emma-peel-from-the-avengers1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on May 26, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
    I never really liked Betty and Veronica, and don't even know who Mrs. Peel was. She seems a bit dominatrix if you know what I mean, and not me.  But "Who, me worry" Alfred E Newmann  is definitely not worthy of a Chaucer quoting, to the manner born gentleman rich in stamps, gold and a deliciously restrained wit and sense of humour.   And by the way, you can tell that lavender coiffed judge he can come out from behind the barn now. The coast is clear and there'll be no more shooting.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 26, 2012, 01:15:48 AM
    I never really liked Betty and Veronica, and don't even know who Mrs. Peel was. She seems a bit dominatrix if you know what I mean, and not me.  But "Who, me worry" Alfred E Newmann  is definitely not worthy of a Chaucer quoting, to the manner born gentleman rich in stamps, gold and a deliciously restrained wit and sense of humour.   And by the way, you can tell that lavender coiffed judge he can come out from behind the barn now. The coast is clear and there'll be no more shooting.

I agree Alfred E. Newman is not a good Cartoon ID for GO.  I think I would suggest Scrooge McDuck for GO  :icon_mrgreen:

(http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/4283775/images/1239754667052.png)

Ross is a little Tougher to put a Cartoon ID to.  Maybe Rocket J. Squirrel.

(http://www.celfcentered.com/images/rockyand.jpg)

You don't know Emma Peel from "The Avengers" TV Series?  Emma was COOL.

http://www.youtube.com/v/W-uK-L3frRw

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on May 26, 2012, 02:03:08 AM
  Look Kiddo, I never really had time for TV or popular culture. Six hours of homework plus two of sports and two of piano practice. Then there was theatre, dance and riding on the weekends. Not much bedding of Illuminati scions there, I was supposed to be a nice girl. Besides, I didn't really really like them. Something I couldn't put my finger on until later, so I left them to the townies.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on May 26, 2012, 02:13:01 AM
 Any how, I honestly never gave a damn for money, that wasn't where I lived. But of course that left me completely ignorant of economics aside from jewelry and antiques.  That may be why you have found my discussions without depth; I can tell right from wrong but I can't prove it, I can only feel it. K
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 26, 2012, 04:05:30 AM
        Since I don't know what possible choices are permitted, and I'm not sure if Annie Oakley ever became a cartoon character, I will choose Wonder Woman. Hope it fits with your plan. Sincerely, Annie
Wonder Woman, (Sigh), with out any doubt whatsoever. Do you believe in "Love at First Sight" K ?    :-[   :kissing2:   ;)  :-*  ::)                      ;)                                             :laugh:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 26, 2012, 04:48:58 AM
I agree Alfred E. Newman is not a good Cartoon ID for GO.  I think I would suggest Scrooge McDuck for GO  :icon_mrgreen:

This is why I pounced on your generous offer to pick freely Dungeon Master, and escape your wrath. Kindly notice GO responded ASAP as per direct orders. Thank you for your generous offer, I realized instantly it "Was a Deal I Could not Refuse." 
don
         
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 26, 2012, 11:03:01 AM
I agree Alfred E. Newman is not a good Cartoon ID for GO.  I think I would suggest Scrooge McDuck for GO  :icon_mrgreen:

This is why I pounced on your generous offer to pick freely Dungeon Master, and escape your wrath. Kindly notice GO responded ASAP as per direct orders. Thank you for your generous offer, I realized instantly it "Was a Deal I Could not Refuse." 
don
       

"Don RE" sounds pretty good.  8)  Definitely better than "Robespierre RE" or "Uncle Joe Stalin RE" or "Ghengis Khan RE" anyhow.

Come on though, face REALITY dude.  Scrooge McDuck is YOU.  :icon_mrgreen:

(http://torwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Scrooge-McDuck.jpg)

RE
Title: Buffy the Vampire Slayer comes to the Diner
Post by: RE on May 26, 2012, 11:29:54 AM
  Look Kiddo, I never really had time for TV or popular culture. Six hours of homework plus two of sports and two of piano practice. Then there was theatre, dance and riding on the weekends. Not much bedding of Illuminati scions there, I was supposed to be a nice girl. Besides, I didn't really really like them. Something I couldn't put my finger on until later, so I left them to the townies.

My sympathies for missing out on all the Pop Culture in favor of other pursuits.  I personally either didn't do my homework or else multi-tasked and did it WHILE I watched the Cartoons.  However, if you hang out long enough here, I'm bound to review it all at some point.  It provides an endless set of metaphors for me and I have a great memory for all of it.

(http://nowhitenoise.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/buffy-sched.jpg)
Anyhow, given the toughness you displayed in the now Infamous Napalm Contest here and the personal history you just related, I'm leaning towards Buffy the Vampire Slayer for you :-)

Granted, the Buffy series was not a drawn Cartoon but an Acted one, but since we are expanding the parameters here this works OK.

Here's Buffy doing her Homework:

(http://www.megafanfiction.com/images/buffy4.jpg)

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on May 26, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
  Not meaning to be too picky and ungrateful but that pout with the dirty blond hair just doesn't do it for me. Wonder Woman's a clear straight up straight forward dark haired act without deception, something I have always striven for if not always successfully.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 26, 2012, 12:57:40 PM
  Not meaning to be too picky and ungrateful but that pout with the dirty blond hair just doesn't do it for me. Wonder Woman's a clear straight up straight forward dark haired act without deception, something I have always striven for if not always successfully.

I still like Buffy, but I'll compromise between Buffy and Wonder Woman and suggest Xena, Warrior Princess.

(http://www.cheapdvdsale.com/image/data/12.28/Citacoes-do-seriado-de-Tv-Xena-Warrior-Princess.jpg)

Of course, depending on your sexual orientation, the Lesbo undercurrent with Gabrielle might not be to your liking.

(http://www.dvdsdiscount.us/image/data/11.3/11.3.1/right.Xena-Warrior-Princess-Seasons-1-6-DVD-boxset.jpg)

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on May 26, 2012, 01:13:40 PM
   I do like Xena, I'd forgotten about her.  She's pretty perfect  if Gabrielle  can settle for unrequited love and a lack of attention. How in the world do you get all this work done with so many lively creatures striving for YOUR attention?  Oh, that's right, you always could do three things at once and  I always settled for very intense. OTOH, as they say, each to her own.
Title: My Avatars
Post by: RE on May 26, 2012, 01:18:05 PM
Just to review my OWN Character Representations on the Net, the Original was the Pale Rider, the Gun Toting Preacher portrayed by Clint Eastwood

(http://aka.media.entertainment.sky.com/image/unscaled/2009/3/23/Pale-Rider03.jpg)

I took on Bullwinkle to represent my Lighter Side

(http://sandal-woodsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bullwinkle.jpg)

at GOs suggestion, I am taking on Don Corleone now as well for my DD Board Manager Role

(http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com/images/the_godfather_don_corleone.jpg)

This is just FUN stuff, and makes a board more entertaining.  I hope all the Diners will take it in the spirit I offer it up.  Its a Halloween Costume you get to wear whenever you want to in your cyberspace participation.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 26, 2012, 01:24:52 PM
How in the world do you get all this work done with so many lively creatures striving for YOUR attention?

One reason NOW is that SUMMER has arrived and School is OUT.  I got a LOT of Free Time on my hands for the next coupla months.

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Title: Re: My Avatars
Post by: RE on May 26, 2012, 01:48:12 PM
I haven't picked out yet a Character for my Primitive Postings.  The first choice which comes to mind is Jeremiah Johnson:

(http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/192348.1020.A.jpg)

Looks just like Alaska in most of the images you Google up for Jeremiah!

Tarzan is another possibility

(http://terrororstralis.com/films/photos/6301.jpg)
Tarzan Saving as Many as He Can

On the Cartoon Level though, the most accurate is probably George of the Jungle

(http://chud.com/articles/content_images/17/Kill28.jpg)
Watch out for that Tree!

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on May 26, 2012, 02:51:52 PM
   Pale Rider,of course. is lifted from Katherine Anne Porter's "Pale Horse,Pale Rider" which is about a relationship between a newspaper woman and a soldier, Adam, during the influenza epidemic of 1918. In the course of the narrative, Miranda becomes sick and delirious and recovers only to find that Adam has died of the disease which he likely caught from her. Porter herself said that the story was about the pale rider, Death, who takes away an entire era, as illustrated in the ironic last line, "Now there would be time for everything" [Wikipedia]  Very apropos, n'est pas, when speaking of coming soon to a theatre near all of us?
Title: Come the Four Horsemen
Post by: RE on May 26, 2012, 03:11:19 PM
   Pale Rider,of course. is lifted from Katherine Anne Porter's "Pale Horse,Pale Rider" which is about a relationship between a newspaper woman and a soldier, Adam, during the influenza epidemic of 1918. In the course of the narrative, Miranda becomes sick and delirious and recovers only to find that Adam has died of the disease which he likely caught from her. Porter herself said that the story was about the pale rider, Death, who takes away an entire era, as illustrated in the ironic last line, "Now there would be time for everything" [Wikipedia]  Very apropos, n'est pas, when speaking of coming soon to a theatre near all of us?

This in turn I suspect is lifted from Revelation 6:8

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And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Jer. 15.3 · Ezek. 5.12, 17 ; 14.21

"Get ready Little Lady, HELL is Coming to Breakfast."
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__FB9waRXJB0/TPUIEPGVtHI/AAAAAAAAEdg/u1j5jncat6g/s1600/joseywales.jpg)

OK, that line came from the Outlaw Josey Wales, not Pale Rider, but its all from the same theme Clint always had of Sin and Redemption and Vengeance in his Westerns.

The "Sword" is WAR, the "Hunger" is FAMINE, the "Beasts of the Earth" is PESTILENCE.  The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.  One day in 2008 I saw the Coming Attractions on the Google Newz page, 4 in a row, a story of each kind at the very top of the page IN ORDER.  It was too clear a Sign to Ignore.  Openning Day is not far off now.

Coming Soon to a Theatre Near You.

(http://www.aphoenixreborn.com/Categories/Myth/photos/Four_Horsemen.jpg)
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant FBI Starts Surveilance on Skype & Net
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 28, 2012, 03:32:24 AM
Big Brother is Watching You.                                                         :exp-evil:              The Federal Bureau of Investigation is ready to launch a surveillance unit that is capable of spying on Skype conversations and other Internet communications, Mashable reports.

The plan of the unit started four years ago and cost $54 million to create. The program was appointed in collaboration with the Domestic Communications Assistance Center (DCAC), Marshals Service and the Drug Enforcement Agency. All three agencies are building customized hardware to enable wiretapping on wireless and Internet conversations per count order requests.

“It’s also designed to serve as kind of surveillance desk for state, local and other federal police,” CNET reported. “The center represents the technological component of the bureau’s Going Dark Internet wiretapping push, which was allocated $45 million by a Senate committee last month.”

Although the DCAC has been tight-lipped about its purpose, the FBI said in a statement that the organization will “not be responsible for the actual execution of any electronic surveillance court orders and will not have any direct operational or investigative role in investigations.”

The Internet for illegal activity has become a top priority for the FBI, the Mashable reports. In January, the bureau announced it was seeking to develop an automatic mass-monitoring application to analyze Facebook for crime related comments.
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/fbis-unit-is-ready-to-spy-on-skype/26797 (http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/fbis-unit-is-ready-to-spy-on-skype/26797) :icon_study:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant FBI Starts Surveilance on Skype & Net
Post by: RE on May 28, 2012, 04:09:37 AM
Big Brother is Watching You.                                                         :exp-evil:              The Federal Bureau of Investigation is ready to launch a surveillance unit that is capable of spying on Skype conversations and other Internet communications, Mashable reports.

AACCCKKK!  The Black Vans and Ford LTDs are pulling up outside the Cabin as we speak!

(http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/undercover-police-crown-vic.jpg)

They'll never take me alive!

(http://static8.businessinsider.com/image/49c2287914b9b9bc006d6f72/.jpg)

Take care of the Diner for me guys!  I'm off to climb the Stairway to Heaven now!

(http://www.amightywind.com/gif/heavenstairway.jpg)

It was a great ride while it lasted here.

See You on the Other Side.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on May 28, 2012, 10:33:32 AM
History books traditionally depict the pre-Columbus Americas as a pristine wilderness where small native villages lived in harmony with nature.

But scientific evidence tells a very different story:  America wasn't a New World, but a very old one whose inhabitants had built a vast infrastructure of  cities, orchards, canals and causeways.   

Interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/v/rb3Lyw9iTXs?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on May 28, 2012, 10:55:50 AM
History books traditionally depict the pre-Columbus Americas as a pristine wilderness where small native villages lived in harmony with nature.

But scientific evidence tells a very different story:  America wasn't a New World, but a very old one whose inhabitants had built a vast infrastructure of  cities, orchards, canals and causeways.

I'll watch the vid when I am on an unlimited bandwidth connection.

From what I know about this topic, estimates are anywhere from 30-100M people lived in the "New World" prior to Columbus, mostly wiped out as we have discussed before by diseases before the major European Migrations took place.

There are descriptions from early settlers in the Ohio valley where the Mound Builders lived that there were complete towns that just looked like they were abandoned and run down.  There clearly was a very large Ag based population living on this continent, just most of them bought the farm from disease before most of the Europeans got here.  The only ones who were LEFT by that time were the small raoming populations of HGs, who of course did not last too long either once the Europeans arrived with their Guns, Cannon and Smallpox Infected blankets.

Intentional or not, this was by far the greates Genocide in recorded History.  At least to date anyhow.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on May 28, 2012, 11:01:33 AM
The one assertion that I remember from Charles Mann's book (which is quite a good read, BTW), is that as many of 19 out of 20 native peoples may have died via disease vectors, the vast majority of whom would have never laid eyes on a white man.

One of the grimmest assertions I have ever encountered.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant (Radioactive Tuna Found in California Shores)
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 29, 2012, 05:18:13 AM
Don't forget to buy a Geiger counter on your next trip to the hardware store.  :exp-angry:   

inShare
Radioactive bluefin tuna crossed the Pacific to US
By ALICIA CHANG AP Science Writer
Posted:   05/28/2012 12:01:37 PM PDT
Updated:   05/28/2012 12:01:37 PM PDT

LOS ANGELES—Across the vast Pacific, the mighty bluefin tuna carried radioactive contamination that leaked from Japan's crippled nuclear plant to the shores of the United States 6,000 miles away—the first time a huge migrating fish has been shown to carry radioactivity such a distance.

"We were frankly kind of startled," said Nicholas Fisher, one of the researchers reporting the findings online Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The levels of radioactive cesium were 10 times higher than the amount measured in tuna off the California coast in previous years. But even so, that's still far below safe-to-eat limits set by the U.S. and Japanese governments.

Previously, smaller fish and plankton were found with elevated levels of radiation in Japanese waters after a magnitude-9 earthquake in March 2011 triggered a tsunami that badly damaged the Fukushima Dai-ichi reactors.

But scientists did not expect the nuclear fallout to linger in huge fish that sail the world because such fish can metabolize and shed radioactive substances.

One of the largest and speediest fish, Pacific bluefin tuna can grow to 10 feet and weigh more than 1,000 pounds. They spawn off the Japan coast and swim east at breakneck speed to school in waters off California and the tip of Baja California, Mexico.

Five months after the Fukushima disaster, Fisher of Stony Brook University in New York and a team decided to test Pacific bluefin

Excerpt for Article link posted   http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_20727670/radioactive-bluefin-tuna-crossed-pacific-us (http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_20727670/radioactive-bluefin-tuna-crossed-pacific-us)
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant (Radioactive Tuna Found in California Shores)
Post by: Surly1 on May 29, 2012, 06:49:21 AM
Don't forget to buy a Geiger counter on your next trip to the hardware store.  :exp-angry:   

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LOS ANGELES—Across the vast Pacific, the mighty bluefin tuna carried radioactive contamination that leaked from Japan's crippled nuclear plant to the shores of the United States 6,000 miles away—the first time a huge migrating fish has been shown to carry radioactivity such a distance.

"We were frankly kind of startled," said Nicholas Fisher, one of the researchers reporting the findings online Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


What startles me is that a "scientist" can be "kind of startled" by this inevitability.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: ross on May 29, 2012, 07:01:43 AM
Cross tuna off the list. Along with Gulf shrimp and factory farmed, pharma-fed industrial meat.


Know your farmer...
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant (Radioactive Tuna Found in California Shores)
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 29, 2012, 07:34:16 AM
Don't forget to buy a Geiger counter on your next trip to the hardware store.  :exp-angry:   

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LOS ANGELES—Across the vast Pacific, the mighty bluefin tuna carried radioactive contamination that leaked from Japan's crippled nuclear plant to the shores of the United States 6,000 miles away—the first time a huge migrating fish has been shown to carry radioactivity such a distance.

"We were frankly kind of startled," said Nicholas Fisher, one of the researchers reporting the findings online Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


What startles me is that a "scientist" can be "kind of startled" by this inevitability.
Got the same flash Surly, but said to myself, "why be surprised", they told us nuclear power
 was completely safe . I also like the line by the wizard telling us that 10 times the normal amount is still just fine. Glad I didn't go to his school.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 29, 2012, 08:05:44 AM
Cross tuna off the list. Along with Gulf shrimp and factory farmed, pharma-fed industrial meat.


Know your farmer...
BP assures me the Gulf is better now than before the spill. We are lucky it happened. They used this wonderful chemical dispersant to whisk it away and some friendly bacteria ate all the oil, better than fresh spring water now. The two inch high bubbles appearing on peoples heads after consuming the shrimp and other shell fish is not related in any way to the gulf. They think the culprit could be cell phones, but their research shows clearly and decisively it is not related to the oil spill. i make sure my fish comes from the gulf now rather than the cold Atlantic. Hopefully we will have a big spill around here so they can clean it up. George's Bank would be an ideal spot.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on May 29, 2012, 09:14:16 AM
Vitamin C is actually Corexit . . . part of your goooooood breakfast.
Title: Topic for Discussion: You CANNOT make Something from Nothing
Post by: RE on May 29, 2012, 03:52:42 PM
(http://www.brandykarl.com/pressy/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/boston-tea-party-2007-small.jpg)

I am having a fun debate with Steve over on EU regarding the potential of a 3rd Party to make a difference in the Collapse.  I posted an excerpt of the debate up on the Blog here as an Article.

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/05/29/you-cannot-make-something-from-nothing/ (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/05/29/you-cannot-make-something-from-nothing/)

The original debate is still underway on EU.

http://www.economic-undertow.com/2012/05/28/topic-for-discussion/ (http://www.economic-undertow.com/2012/05/28/topic-for-discussion/)

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Title: On Dignity and Comparative Wealth
Post by: RE on May 29, 2012, 11:19:53 PM
Reposted another part of the debate from Steve's "Topic for Discussion" on EU, this time with Sandor.  Titled On Dignity and Comparative Wealth (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/05/29/on-dignity-and-comparative-wealth/).

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: UK top court backs extradition of Julian Assange
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 30, 2012, 06:37:00 AM
Why am I not the least bit surprised??    :(
LONDON (AP) — Britain's Supreme Court has endorsed the extradition of WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange to Sweden, an important turning point in the Internet activist's controversial career.
http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJhc2o5a24wBF9TAzM5ODMwMTA0MQRnc3RhdGUDMQRwb3MDNARzZWMDbndfdG9wc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDdGl0bGUEdGFyA25ld3MueWFob28uY29t/SIG=136ajn92v/EXP=1339593962/ (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJhc2o5a24wBF9TAzM5ODMwMTA0MQRnc3RhdGUDMQRwb3MDNARzZWMDbndfdG9wc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDdGl0bGUEdGFyA25ld3MueWFob28uY29t/SIG=136ajn92v/EXP=1339593962/)**http%3A//news.yahoo.com/uk-top-court-backs-extradition-wikileaks-boss-090843655.html
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: New Japanese Smartphone will Detect Radiation
Post by: Golden Oxen on May 30, 2012, 09:31:19 AM
An idea whose time has definitely come!    :icon_study:

Japanese carrier Softbank Corp has announced plans to start selling smartphones that detect radiation. A year after Fukushima, parts of the country are still off-limits and concerns about radiation levels still exist.  In response to those concerns, the company developed the Pantone 5 107SH, the first phone to contain such a detector.

Geiger counters are the traditional devices used for measuring radiation, but according to Softbank founder and president, Masayoshi Son the smartphones will be easier to use and carry. The phones will also have the ability to keep track of and display radiation location data through the use of Internet maps. As Mitsuru Obe of the Wall Street Journal points out, however, making the size of the radiation detector small enough to fit inside a smartphone may make it less accurate.

Still, if the devices reach as many people as anticipated, providing the public with some level of radiation detection is better than nothing. Public demand to better monitor radiation amidst growing opposition to nuclear power in the country will likely make the phones, which go on sale in July, a popular product.
Title: Justifying the Inquisition/Orkin Man Final Solution
Post by: RE on May 30, 2012, 10:36:09 PM
Another Inquisition/Orkin Man post off the Keyboard of RE, this time in response to KK on TAE.  Anybody want to argue with me on my logic here?  LOL.

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The Rothschilds and Rockefellers present clear and obvious targets, but even they are just Tip of the Iceberg here.

"Ownership" of the world as it is constructed is tiered up through many layers of Holding Companies.  The paperwork on this stuff in some cases is hundreds of years old and buried so deep in the vaults in the City of London it will take decades of forensic accounting to determine who actually owns what and how the money flow gets directed, if it is even possible to do that at all.

If *I* knew who all was at the pinnacle of the pyramid, I'd surely name the names, and surely also come down with Bullet meets Brain disease or an untimely Coronary.

IMHO, the only way to work your way to the Top of the Pyramid is to start with who by virtue of what is obvious you know have a connection to the next tier up the pyramid.  You bring them in, one by one in front of the Inquisition and you give them a good reason to TALK.  If they really do NOT know who is above them and have no worthwhile information, this is unfortunate but you can't make an Omelette without breaking a Few Eggs, and besides that they are GUILTY in their own right anyhow of their own set of crimes against humanity.

Now, SB might consider such an Inquisition not to have worthwhile value, but IMHO it does.  First off, even if they are not the TOP level VERMIN, they still make the Kitchen an unpleasant place to cook, so they need to be exterminated also.  Besides that, on a social level, it is important to reinforce to people that Greed does NOT pay.  Really, how many people do you think would strive to become Billionaires if on a Nightly Basis Reality TV was showing Pigman Executions?  I know I would have a low motivation level to strive for that if I was a kid watching TV.

The whole problem we have here is that for Millenia we have acquiesced to the idea that Greed DOES pay, we never got control of the infestation from the get go here.  Now the Earth is INFESTED with VERMIN so you can't fix this just with a few Perp Walks here.

Now, I do believe that it is possible to Repent and do Penitence for your Sins, so any Pigman who willingly comes forward to divest himself of his ill gotten gains and agrees to do penitence for the rest of his life scrubbing out cesspools can be allowed to live.  This is fair and IMHO GENEROUS, considering the fact prior to repentance said Pigman probably was responsible for the deaths of 1000s of starving children.

I do also suggest the Inquistion has some Cutoffs here in the early stages.  You could set a minimum net worth of say $1B at the beginning of Criminals to bring before the Auto da Fe, this alone would fill up the docket pretty well with 10,000 or more people I suspect.  That will take some time to work through.

Eventually here you will locate the top of the pyramid cockroaches.  May take some time, but persistence pays off.

Bring in the Orkin Man.

(http://www.haitianinternet.com/spa/_files/spa_album/pic_164.jpg)

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Title: Dis Capital
Post by: ross on May 31, 2012, 08:49:07 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7UHICy8Etfo/TEdKbPqH28I/AAAAAAAAKsw/W67yUTy232o/s1600/dr-strangelove-1.jpg)
Rothschild/Rockefeller Representative deploys with an austerity package 2012

Deflation in everything you own, inflation in everything you need to survive.

Corporations now own all the Capital. They can choke governments many different ways like not bringing foreign currency back to the nation where they are incorporated. What would it mean for the individual market of corporations for their collective value to breach the symbolic 666, or  lower? Nada.

The "market" of securities and commodities trading cannot blow up lest the physical exchange collapses. But it seems that governments could blow up from a loss of control or civility in financial markets. For now, people are panicked into select government debt, like they're hiding in a foxhole UST, JBG, GGB.

Housing is slipping. It seems that the market just needed some foolish investors with cash to burn. Price is not bottoming in any major market and slipping in most. Atlanta market is diving.

The stock market could crash again. It is hard to say right now. The velocity of the decline determines that and so far we haven't seen any 2% up/down, right? But these last few days were strong reversals.

Corporations are in the best position to benefit from all this chaos and to a large extent already have benefited the last decade. We have seen virtual monopolies emerge in many industries or geographies.

It looks like we're experiencing deflation again but for now that only helps to reinforce the neofeudal trends in our economy and politics because corporations continue to accumulate unrestrained.
Title: Re: Dis Capital
Post by: RE on May 31, 2012, 09:04:56 AM
Hope you are making a killing today shorting commodities Ross.  :evil4:

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Title: MORE Orkin Man Justification: Hammering Ashvin
Post by: RE on June 01, 2012, 12:57:00 AM
More from the Desperate European Banksters Exposed (http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=15&id=3264&Itemid=96) thread on TAE

RE

Quote from: ashvin

You know as well as I do that this is a bad analogy to your systemic roto-rooter plan, or let's just call it the Orkin Man Master Plan (OMMP).
The OMMP is operating at very large scales and at a much more complex level than your individual person shooting to kill a murderer and/or rapist in the act of the crime.

In the individual analogy, your motivations are indeed much different than that of your targets. Actually, your tactics are different also, because there is not much premeditation involved and you seem to only be resorting to force when you just so happen to be in a position to directly save another person's life, or at least save them from bodily harm.

I do NOT know as well as you do any such thing.  Its merely a matter of scale, not principle.

I will give the example of Fuk-U-shima here.  How many Deaths do you think will result from this catastrophe?  10K?  Probably already done.  100K?  Well within reasonable estimates given the proximity of the population to this disater.  Even 10M is not outta da question.

Who is responsible for this?  Somebody has to be held accountable.  IMHO, its the TEPCO Owners and Managers and their lackey Pols who built this GUN and stuck it to the head of 10M Rape Victims.

Not only did they stick the Gun to the Population in the PAST, they currently KEEP the gun pointed at everybody ELSE.  I SEE a RAPE in progress here, and I am gonna STOP it NOW by Gunning Down the who knows how many people complicit in this operation who AL are taking money out of the Cash Register at the moment.  No more Mr. Nice Guy.  This is a WAR here, and people are DYING as we speak.  I am EVEN willing to alow these folks to OWN UP to their Sins and Repent and allow them to LIVE, an opportunity they did NOT give their Victims.  So who is more Righteous here, eh?

I can make the SAME argument for the Owners and Managers and Pols who made the Macondo Blowout possible, and the same assholes who run Monsanto and push GMO foods out at the population and the SAME assholes running Big Pharma.  They are KILLING people RIGHT NOW!  BY THE MILLIONS.  It has to be STOPPED, and pussy footing around here is NOT stopping it.  No More Mr. Nice Guy now.

Just because they are protected by Corporate Personhood which allows the Individuals here to escape their culpability under this Legal System makes them no less culpable.  Like anyone who willy nilly goes out and KILLS people for their own self-aggrandizement like the Liquor Store Robber they gotta GO here.  Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth.

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In OMMP, our tactics involve premeditation and targeting specific people for extermination. Our motivation is to rid the world, via tortures and executions, of a certain number of people who we believe are counter-productive to the ability of humanity to survive and thrive. We will not hesitate to cross any thresholds to accomplish what we set out to do, and will adopt an "if you are not with us, you are against us" policy. We are going into the OMMP knowing full well that many "innocents" will be killed/harmed in the process of reaching our end goals.

Do our tactics and motivations really sound that much different from those of the Monsters we are seeking out? And that's what Nietzsche was talking about...

Sure it is "premeditated".  Any Legal System is, and I am advocating for a Legal System which holds these folks ACCOUNTABLE, ferrets them out and brings them before the Court of the Inquisition.  Sorry, english Common Law is not WORKING.  If something doesn't work, you try something DIFFERENT.  As Einstein said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".

Quote from: RE
Collateral damage?  No doubt, but WORSE collateral damage if you don't do it.  Leave the vermin lose here, they'll kill us ALL.  Seriously.  Now they want to mine Uranium in the Chesapeake Bay, as Surly mentioned in the Diner.  How long do you take this shit before you get rid of this vermin, eh?

Quote from: Ashvin
You can't know that for sure. For all you know, the OOMP will FAIL miserably, and they will still end up attaining their goals. Except now you will both have innocent blood on your hands. In fact, the odds are that the FAIL part is exactly what will happen. If they are going to fail also, it will most likely be because they end up destroying themselves through their own destructive actions, one way or another.

I don't know anything for sure other than the fact what we are doing AIN'T Working.  I advocate a change of tactics.  May work, may not.  if somebody comes up with a better plan, I am all ears, but IMHO here a few Perp Walks and Passive Resistance or "Active Withdrawal" is NOT a better plan with any greater chance of success, in fact I rate it lower in its possibilities for success.

Bring in the Orkin Man.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on June 02, 2012, 12:42:54 PM
just read that up on the blog, RE. STOMP KICK GORE, LOL.  los of laughs in that thread. obviously you won the debate hands down. it was nice to have the call to BITOM fleshed ot some more. i'm a little disappointed I didn't get a shout-out next to K as being onboard, as if eliminating all culpable multi-dimensional selves of vermin was any less important. :)
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on June 02, 2012, 12:53:42 PM
just read that up on the blog, RE. STOMP KICK GORE, LOL.  los of laughs in that thread. obviously you won the debate hands down. it was nice to have the call to BITOM fleshed ot some more. i'm a little disappointed I didn't get a shout-out next to K as being onboard, as if eliminating all culpable multi-dimensional selves of vermin was any less important. :)

I don't ever remember you really weighing in on any of any of my Inquisition threads/posts, so your opinion was unknown to me.  Your posts are so far out into multi-dimensional space I find it hard to follow just what you think is true on just about any topic.

Far as the rest of that debate goes, it does appear that Ashvin has resigned, so as in any game of Chess, that counts as a Win.  :emthup:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on June 02, 2012, 01:49:32 PM
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Your posts are so far out into multi-dimensional space I find it hard to follow just what you think is true on just about any topic.

get outta here i'm not that far out. far out is not that far out. many paths one truth.
Title: Of Wildebeests and Wolves
Post by: RE on June 03, 2012, 11:49:52 AM
just read that up on the blog, RE. STOMP KICK GORE, LOL.  los of laughs in that thread. obviously you won the debate hands down. it was nice to have the call to BITOM fleshed ot some more. i'm a little disappointed I didn't get a shout-out next to K as being onboard, as if eliminating all culpable multi-dimensional selves of vermin was any less important. :)

For those of you not following the MEGA debate Ashvin and I have been pursuing over on TAE in the Desperate Banksters (http://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=15&id=3264&Itemid=96#3350) thread, you might want to make a trip over there since Ashvin has re-engaged in the game and we are at it again, Mano-a-Mano, keyboard fingers flying across the continent in the Old Dominion and on the Last Great Frontier.

This one has the Kitchen sink of stuff in it, Dictators, Death, Jesus, God, the Bible, Forest Fires and MUCH MUCH MORE!  Not to be missed!

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: roamer on June 03, 2012, 06:21:14 PM
RE, So if I follow your logic correctly you want to try to steer the soon to be stampeding herd in the direction of the wolves and hopefully trample them?  I think that might require too much accuracy for a herd to do effectively, the wolves have very good hiding spots and superior tactics to lesser predators.  The upper level pigmen though would be easier targets, and for a brief while the internet could be used to light up there trough and feeding locals and let the mob at them (should be easy with drone and hacking tech)

The problem is even if you took out a good chunk of the upper crust of the pyramid we still have such deep structural problems in our economic ecosystem that it would probably only soften the blow (by freeing up some assets and levers to make a few changes), it would not be an answer.  The real answer, if there is one is that we got to start thinking from a global ecological earth systems based perspective. Yeah that sounds stupid and new agey and wickedly lame given the size of the problem but I think its at the root of the mess we are in.  Even if a successful inquisition was conducted, the good hearted but ignorant sheep would probably go ahead and erect another economic system that fails to recognize ecological  and growth constraints and the cycle of ignorance would eventually reach a climax of stupidity and the system would fall again. Until we come up with a new mythology and script that has the hard engineering and biological limits of earth programmed into it there will be cycles of this over and over. 

Now if you are arguing that we must conduct an inquisition because otherwise we are going to go extinct, then you may have a more weighty argument.  However you must prove with a high probability that we are in danger of extinction.  I personally do not see that danger.  Mother earth has been through worse than this from her own violent past of methane burbs, volcanic eruptions, and comet collisions. To my knowledge Mutually Assured Destruction keeps the likelihood of extinction events low, even if the grid failed and we were left with multiple failed nuclear reactor sites we still aren't talking extinction events are we?  Similarly with war too.  In some twisted way there is some stabilization that the exceedingly greedy seem to exert on the exceedingly stupid sheeple, there is I suspect a twisted symbiosis that exists there, and until we have a highly evolved self sufficient population we probably will have wolves and sheep and natural cycles of imbalance between the two.

 So yeah we need a radical re-balance, but forcing it seems like a last ditch effort only to be conducted when it is clear the system will go to chaos anyways.  Are we there yet?
Title: Come with me if you want to LIVE!
Post by: RE on June 03, 2012, 08:00:41 PM
RE, So if I follow your logic correctly you want to try to steer the soon to be stampeding herd in the direction of the wolves and hopefully trample them?  I think that might require too much accuracy for a herd to do effectively, the wolves have very good hiding spots and superior tactics to lesser predators.  The upper level pigmen though would be easier targets, and for a brief while the internet could be used to light up there trough and feeding locals and let the mob at them (should be easy with drone and hacking tech)

(http://www.lonewolf-electric.com/img/Howling-Wolf--C10290238.jpg)
The Herd Analogy is not the Whole Plan, its just a part of it.  Homo Sapiens are not Wildebeests in reality, although we share characteristics with them which can be useful here.

The Herd is kind of a WMD that produces a lot of collateral damage.  Its not a Weapon you want to unleash unless absolutely necessary, which in this case it probably is.  However, I am all for utilizing other more Directed Attacks here, possible in many ways.  There are MANY Wildebeest Hackers out there who can wreak havoc with systems the Wolves use for control of the herd.  Human Wildebeests can Flash Mob in targetted ways as opposed to moving the whole Herd in a Stampede at once.  Human Wildebeests ALSO can Flip Paradigms and become Lone Wolves as well, though you just never know where a Lone Wolf will strike and how that one will play out.    Lone Wolves are Loose Cannons and very Dangerous to all, but at the same time they can be instrumental in such a battle.

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The problem is even if you took out a good chunk of the upper crust of the pyramid we still have such deep structural problems in our economic ecosystem that it would probably only soften the blow (by freeing up some assets and levers to make a few changes), it would not be an answer.

I don't really agree with that.  If you take out a good chunk of the Upper Crust, the system as a whole will collapse.  I just made this argument in response to SB over on TAE.  Its the Motherboard Argument.  The Upper Crust or Illuminati as I usually refer to them here represent the Motherboard of the Laptop of Industrial Civilization.  You take out the Motherboard, the laptop will crash in the Blue Screen of Death.

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Now if you are arguing that we must conduct an inquisition because otherwise we are going to go extinct, then you may have a more weighty argument.  However you must prove with a high probability that we are in danger of extinction.  I personally do not see that danger.

You don't see that danger?  Let me refresh your vision with a couple of pictures

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-GWFnuJufxgY/TX88pd0QJsI/AAAAAAAAAgA/YFBPK8gmgjE/Fukushima+nuclear+disaster.jpg)


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Mother earth has been through worse than this from her own violent past of methane burbs, volcanic eruptions, and comet collisions. To my knowledge Mutually Assured Destruction keeps the likelihood of extinction events low, even if the grid failed and we were left with multiple failed nuclear reactor sites we still aren't talking extinction events are we?  Similarly with war too.  In some twisted way there is some stabilization that the exceedingly greedy seem to exert on the exceedingly stupid sheeple, there is I suspect a twisted symbiosis that exists there, and until we have a highly evolved self sufficient population we probably will have wolves and sheep and natural cycles of imbalance between the two.

Long term here, Mother Earth will heal herself.  I have no fears for Mother Nature until the Sun goes Red Giant and frys the planet to a crisp, life will continue onward regardless of Supervolcanos or Asteroid Collisions.  OK, an Interplanetary Collision with a near Earth size object might take out all life also, or if the Mother Earth gets ripped out of orbit by a passing Neutron Star that could do it too.  Otherwise, no worries here for Mother Earth.

The issue is the survival of Homo Sapiens and the Great Experiment of Human Sentience here.  While the Earth will almost surely continue onward for a good long time teeming with SOME kind of life form (probably Tardigrades who are pretty resilient to just about anything, you can freeze them up in space and expose them to gamma rays and the suckers STILL come back to life in the right conditions), the situation is more grim right now for Homo Sapiens, along with many other creatures above the level of the Tardigrades.

(http://greatchange.org/images/footnotes-overshoot-st_matthew.gif)
Not only are we exhausting the planet of many resources and converting them into waste that is for the most part unusable by any creatures above bacterial level here,  for ourselves as a species we are setting up a St Matthews Island Deer Scenario.  Have you ever looked at the Population Graph for the Deer on St. Matthews Island?  This is atypical graph for populations in extreme overshoot conditions.  If we have 10,000 Human Souls or 1000 Breeding Pairs left here after this as was the case after Toba, I think we will be pretty damn fortunate at this point.

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So yeah we need a radical re-balance, but forcing it seems like a last ditch effort only to be conducted when it is clear the system will go to chaos anyways.  Are we there yet?

(http://www.defocus.net/2009/08/img/arnold.jpg)
Yes we are there IMHO.  Terminator time. Come with me if you want to LIVE!

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: roamer on June 04, 2012, 06:03:19 AM
RE, I gotta admit that I actually find your general tactics, flare and drama pretty damn awesome, until I found DD I was bored and depressed reading doom, even though I knew it was coming and I needed to try to understand it. It just seems like most of the other doomers are dry intellectuals.  I can't tell how serious you are in concocting a crazy scheme, if you are like any of my other friends from Alaska I guess i got to take you at face value.

So that said I think your idea to target the motherboard is based on a flawed model of the operating structure of industrial society.  We are no doubt centralized and becoming increasingly more so, but there are still multiple levels of redundancy from bottom to top.  Wiping out upper level control system will not stop the dynamic, the system will recover and probably pick up where it left off.  Its like we have a virus that has infected a whole society, and the majority of people have the corrupted script running through their brains.  What we need now are cells that have developed immunity and we need them to spread quickly.  By immunity I mean a very very clear understanding of what is systematically going on and where the ship needs to go in the future.

I'm afraid we got to let the big reset occur and the virus run its course. I think you are being overly dramatic concerning nuke meltdowns, oil spills, and environmental issues.   
-Nuke facilities have contingencies for social and economic disasters, barring nuclear war itself they will likely power down fine.
-Oil spills and rig accidents will be less frequent if anything as collapse proceeds since there will be deep demand destruction.

 To take out the CPU now would if anything increase the odds that we would see nuclear meltdowns and general infrastructure chaos because you are really talking about a forced regime change and look at what generally happens during those.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on June 04, 2012, 08:14:53 AM
RE, I gotta admit that I actually find your general tactics, flare and drama pretty damn awesome, until I found DD I was bored and depressed reading doom, even though I knew it was coming and I needed to try to understand it. It just seems like most of the other doomers are dry intellectuals.  I can't tell how serious you are in concocting a crazy scheme, if you are like any of my other friends from Alaska I guess i got to take you at face value.

RE, Clown Prince of Doom. aka Mr,.Hilarious  :roll2:

(http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/joker_tribute.jpg)

I hate Dry Intellectuals also, so I try to be the Wet Intellectual.  The other choice was to be a Dry Idiot, and I didn't think that one would sell too well. Barumbump!

How Serious am I?  How serious was the Joker?  Basically, I am doing a long running Thought Experiment.  It's always evolving and keeps my mind occupied.

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So that said I think your idea to target the motherboard is based on a flawed model of the operating structure of industrial society.  We are no doubt centralized and becoming increasingly more so, but there are still multiple levels of redundancy from bottom to top.  Wiping out upper level control system will not stop the dynamic, the system will recover and probably pick up where it left off.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Brueghel-tower-of-babel.jpg/350px-Brueghel-tower-of-babel.jpg)
Industrial Society is just Window Dressing.  The Control structure predates Industrialization by Millenia.  Same nonsense has been going on at least since the Tower of Babel came crashing down.

The main conduit for Control from the beginning has been Money.  Other Conduits have emerged since, control over Trade Routes overland, then the Shipping Industry as it evolved, probably first in Ancient Egypt down the Nile and around the Red Sea and the Mediterrainean.  Later Industrial Conduits, Railroads, Telegraphy and Wireless, Electric Grid, Computers and Telecommunications.  All  important to the current control structure, but all still subsidiary to Money.

(http://www.catharinaweb.nl/ecards/nostalgia1/_ecard_images/a02.jpg)
Taking out the Central Control of Money beginning the process at the BIS in Switzerland and working your way down through the contracts filed in the bowels of the Old Bailey in the City of London would render Global Control of all the rest of the Conduits impossible.  The "system" as it is now structured could not recover from that.  Another system might evolve to replace it, but that one would be Toast.


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Its like we have a virus that has infected a whole society, and the majority of people have the corrupted script running through their brains.  What we need now are cells that have developed immunity and we need them to spread quickly.  By immunity I mean a very very clear understanding of what is systematically going on and where the ship needs to go in the future.

It is true that most of the society has been infected now, some worse than others obviously.  Generally I think the society can recover, but not as long as there is a continuing source of Infection.  Use the Cancer Metaphor, you have a Tumor in the body which is constantly Metasticizing and you have to cut it out of the Body in order to recover.  Or you could take heavy doses of chemotherapy (aka POISON) which hopefully kills the Tumor before all the Healthy cells are killed off.  Either way, the Tumor Gotta GO here.

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I'm afraid we got to let the big reset occur and the virus run its course. I think you are being overly dramatic concerning nuke meltdowns, oil spills, and environmental issues.   
-Nuke facilities have contingencies for social and economic disasters, barring nuclear war itself they will likely power down fine.
-Oil spills and rig accidents will be less frequent if anything as collapse proceeds since there will be deep demand destruction.

I agree the Oil spills will diminish here over time as demand destruction takes hold.  Nuke Plant problems on the other hand will likely increase.  A failing Power Grid and lack of money and resources to do maintenance and the extremely high cost of decommisioning them will over time turn just about all of them into Fukushimas.  The Window of opportunity here for collecting up all the spent fuel and putting it where it can do the least harm (probably sinking it into a subduction zone around the Marianas Trench) is running out.

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To take out the CPU now would if anything increase the odds that we would see nuclear meltdowns and general infrastructure chaos because you are really talking about a forced regime change and look at what generally happens during those.

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The current CPU is not programmed to resolve the mess.  It is of course a real danger that in the aftermath of this CPU removal that we will not be able to get a new one in place fast enough to fix the Nuke problem, but hopefully this is made a Priority by the Better Tomorrow Squad (BTS), which will replace TPTB CPU.  Under the current regime however, we are DOOMED for sure.

Risky Bizness all around, but an ELE is a distinct possibility now.  We have been pussy footing around for too long waiting for incremental changes, and it's not working, in fact it gets progressively worse all the time.  It's Shit or Get Off the Pot time.

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Title: Sloshing Water in the Euro Titanic
Post by: RE on June 06, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
(http://www.printwand.com/blog/media/2012/01/titanic-sinking.jpg)

Ever been aboard a boat taking on water in rough seas?

At first, even if the water is rough, ballast in the keel keeps you pretty stable.  As the storm continues though, the boat takes on more and more water and the waterline moves up the hull.  The ballast is no longer a great stabilizer because it doesnt represent that big a fraction of the total weight carried inside the Hull, filling with ever more water.  The boat starts rocking back and forth with the waves, the inside water sloshing around right along with that.

Today in the markets we saw this effect in spades.  Stocks have been crashing big time and USTs shooting to the Moon while the Euro was crashing, but today we went right over to starboard as the Money/Water went sloshing back the other way with the latest Wave, rumours of a new Master Plan in Eurotrashland to fix their unfixable problems.  Treasuries get dumped to by Stocks and the Euro rises back up against the Dollar as FOREX traders ride the latest Momo Wave and try to make their daily Profit by being at the leading edge of the wave and surfing down it.  Thos not quick enough with HFT Algos running their trading at best get left behind here and miss the ride.  They have to sit and hold tight and wait for the next wave to come rolling in.  Which it will of course, because this Storm is far from being over, it's really just beginning here.

By now about everybody knows the Euro is Finished and the Euro Titanic will sink, but none of the really BIG Players can afford to admit that or exit their Euro Positions by wholesale dumping them on the market.  So they hold onto most of the supply in the Hull and wait for it to slosh one way or the other as OUTSIDE the Hull the vast Sea of Money rolls in ever bigger waves.

All the time of course, MORE Money/Water sloshes over the gunwhales and into the boat courtesy of CBs pushing out endless liquidity waves and ever bigger bets are made inside the boat with the additional water, causing it to list from side to side at greater angles all the time.

Everybody on board knows the boat is sinking, but nobody wants to Jump Ship here, particularly since those Tiny Lifeboats named Drachma, Lira, Pesetas, Punts etc don't look like they will hold up too long in such rough Seas.   Everybody wants to get aboard the Lifeboat with the Swissie Cross painted on the front, but that one looks too overloaded already.  Other folks want to get on the Golden Lifeboat, with the small problem that Gold doesn't Float too well.  Others wait for the Krauts to build a D-Mark Lifeboat, except only Krauts will be allowed on board that one if they build it in time.

Meanwhile, Floating out there in the same storm is the Mighty Ship of the Dollar.  At the Helm, Captain Helicopter Ben Bernanke is motoring through the storm also on his big Nuke Powered Helicopter Carrier.  Captain Super Mario Dragon is sending MAYDAY calls over the wireless to Captain Helicopter Ben to send in the Hueys, but so far they aren't Flying.  Captain HB doesn't want to risk his Helicopters yet to save the sinking Eurotrash.  He's going to NEED those Helicopters when the Dollar ship goes down, and if he loses them trying to save the Eurotrash he won't be able to get himself or his Officers off the Dollar when it goes down.

While the Storm Rages in the North Atlantic, over in the South China Sea Captain Sum Dum Fuk is piloting the recently built Renminby out of the Foxconn Shipyard, which has such poorly welded seams that not only is the water sloshing over the gun'ls, its flowing in right through the hull as well.  Captain Sum Dum Fuk figures if he reverses direction on the Sump Pumps and pumps MORE water into the Renminby ship, this will create a pressure gradient forcing water OUT of the Hull rather than into it.  So he orders his North Korean Chief Engineer Park Sum Cok to turn the pumps on Full pumping water INTO the good ship Renminby.

For the crew and passengers on all these ships, the band plays on and the deck chairs get rearranged, but few are building their own lifeboats still.  The Helicopters will not come to save them, they are reserved for the Officers aboard the Good Ship Dollar.  If you are not building a Lifeboat NOW, I sure  hope you are one fucking good Swimmer.

RE

Quote from: AP
US Treasury prices fall as stock market surges
 
By The Associated Press – 1 hour ago 

U.S. Treasury prices fell sharply Wednesday as fresh hopes that Europe will address its debt crisis drew money into riskier investments.

The Dow Jones industrial average jumped 286 points, its biggest gain of the year. The surge pushed the Dow back into positive territory for 2012.

As money flowed into riskier investments like stocks and commodities, traders sold ultra-safe Treasurys. The price of the 10-year Treasury note fell 50 cents for every $100 invested, pushing its yield up to 1.64 percent as of 3:30 p.m. EDT from 1.57 percent late Tuesday. Higher bond yields reflect lower demand for the securities.

Last week, the 10-year yield hit a record low of 1.44 percent after an alarmingly weak report on the U.S. job market renewed fears about the pace of economic recovery.

Wednesday's whiff of optimism was related to hopes that European officials will find new ways to ease the region's debt crisis. News reports said that German and European Union officials are assembling a rescue for Spain's teetering banks.

Spanish banks invested heavily in that nation's real estate bubble. Some can't afford the losses they expect on loans, and the Spanish government can't afford to bail them out. Spain has been the latest flashpoint of worries about Europe's financial stability.

In other trading, the price on the 30-year Treasury bond fell $1.88 per $100 invested, pushing its yield up to 2.74 percent from 2.63 percent late Tuesday.

The yield on the two-year Treasury note rose to 0.29 percent from 0.25 percent late Tuesday. The yield on the three-month Treasury bill was unchanged at 0.08 percent.
Title: Waste Based Society
Post by: RE on June 08, 2012, 12:47:33 AM
(http://www.jigzone.com/p/jz/jzI/Olives_Jar_3096.jpg)
I love Olives, most any kind really although Kalamatta Olives are my favorite.  They are pretty expensive though, the Spanish Manzanilla Olives are generally more affordable.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZPTiRbPWgl4/TENs-91McYI/AAAAAAAAA0Q/tA6J_jgFcb8/s1600/grolsch-bottle.jpg)
I also really like BEER.  My favorite these days is Sam Adams Boston Lager, but I had many other favorites over the years,including Heineken, Dos Equis, Foster's (my Aussie years of underage drinking :icon_mrgreen:) and for a while also Grolsch.

Now, what do both Olives and Grolsch Beer have in common here, besides the fact I like both of them?  In both cases displayed here, they come Packaged in Glass Jars or Bottles.  Both products do come in Cans also of course, but I always liked the Glass packaged ones better.Glass Olive Jars are often quite distinctive in their shapes, and Grolsch bottles are not only distinctive, they have a neat type of Resealable Cap on them.

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Perhaps my first recollection of becoming aware that we were running a wasteful and unsustainble paradigm came from the original Coke Bottles, also made of Glass and also quite distinctive in shape.  I was probably only 5 years old most when I couldn't understand WHY we were throwing out these very nice Bottles which clearly could be reused many times over.

Eventually "recycling" became the word of the day, and you were supposed to separate your Trash into separate Bins, one for Glass, one for Aluminum Cans, one for Plastics of various kinds, one for Paper and one for Organic Waste, aka food leftovers mainly in the typical Suburban Household of the 1970s.  Of course, having 5 different trash receptacles in the Kitchen never really gained all that much traction and eventually this worked down to 2, "recyclables" and non-recyclables.  Somewhere, some Unidentified person sifted through the Recyclables trash on a conveyer belt separating out the Glass, Plastic, Paper and Aluminum.

Just looking at the Glass though, how was it "recycled"?  The Bottles were not sent back to Coke Plants whole for rinsing and re-using, they were Crushed, melted down and Molded again into a new Coke bottle, or some other kind of bottle or Jar or maybe automotive windshield.  How much Energy was saved by recycling a Gas bottle?  Not much if any, and probably actually was net waste when you consider the transport issues.

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Now, if you have ever seen Glassblowers in action of melted some glass yourself in a laboratory over a Bunsen Burner, you should have some idea how much energy you need to melt glass hot enough to mold into shapes.  Now contemplate on how many Glass Bottles or Jars you have used through the course of your lifetime and thrown away after the product inside was consumed.  For me, I know it is MANY, pretty much incalculable.

Anyhow, this problem always bugged me, and bugs me to this day.  I  hae this real PROBLEM of Hoarding Glass Jars and Bottles.  The reason I drank Grolsch mainly besides the fact the beer is pretty good was to collect up and Save the Bottles!  I figured someday I would Brew my OWN Beer and these would be great to Bottle them in.  The collection of Grolsch Bottles currently sits thousands of miles from where I live right now, in a Storage Unit in the Ozarks.

Since moving up to the Last Great Frontier, every time I go and buy a Jar of Olives, I can't bring myself to THROW AWAY the Jar.  Fortunately I have not become overwhelmed by Olive Jars because Fred Myers has an Olive Bar where you can scoop up what you like from the Buffet and drop it into a Plastic Container, which I don't have too much trouble with throwing away.

Upon returning from Brazil in the late 60s, where I tagged along with the Cook to the Open markets where she bought the food, I became quickly AMAZED at how all the Dishware and Eating Utensils has becoe Disposable items also.  In Brasil when we ate our meals, it was all off of Fine China and we had two sets of Eating utensils, the base metal Flatware we used every day and then the Fine Silver stuff we pulled out when the Rockefellers showed up and we had a big fancy Dinner.

Coming back to the FSofA after my parent's divorce, we ate off paper plates with plastic forks and knives that got thrown out after each meal was done.  I ate at GREAT Pizzeria's in NY Shitty, buying by the Slice at 25 Cents each, and each slice was served to me on a Paper Plate, along with a Paper cup for my Soft Drink, which I also threw away after the drink was consumed.  Mo more Glassware, no more Plates to wash, MARVELOUS!  Not really of course, because this was just more MOUNTAINS of endless WASTE, and Recycling never worked at all on an economic level.

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The Frozen TV Dinners now morphed into Microwaveable Meals are yet another example here.  I don't remember the manufacturer, but at one point one of these Frozen Food companies but out a meal that was packaged on top of a Bakelite type plate that was REALLY sturdy and you could wash and use over and over.  I started buying those early Microwaveable meals and SAVING the dishes! LOL.  They were just too GOOD to throw away!  Even today, there are some microwaveables packaged on plastic dishware you can easily reuse many times if you wash them after use.  I do force myself to throw these away though, because keeping mountains of endless Plastic Dishware I will never need is ridiculous.

Anyhow, while the ungodly waste of energy involved in the Carz paradigm of runnig willy nilly around in SUVs is a great current source of Waste, the entire economic system here has been based on Waste through many areas, and probably started with the Glass Bottles.  From recent stuff I have read, the Dutch apparently burned through their Peat Bogs making Glassware for export in the 1600s.  Eventually the English started pulling up more Coal with the Steam Engine, but once the Dutch had to buy coal instead of use energy from the Peat Bogs to make the Glassware, it lost its economic advantage.

Just about everything we use depends on vast amounts of energy to produce, the refined Metals, the Glass, the Bricks and Mortar etc.  We can't keep making new stuff, using it once and throwing it away.  This was clear to me as a 5 Year Old drinking Coke out of Glass Bottles.  Exactly why it never became clear to everyone else remains a mystery to me to this day.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: EndIsNigh on June 08, 2012, 05:22:11 AM
It's the simple fact that it's cheaper to make another than it is to collect and bring it back to the factory for re-use.  Cheap energy makes it so.  But not for much longer.  I'd say the switch away from glass to paper and plastic are clear indicators of that.  Humans suck at managing abundant resources.

Why didn't it become clear to others that this is wasteful?  Because most people don't look at a situation from all possible angles like you, others here, and myself tend to.  I think it could be an indicator of adaptation of the species, but maybe that's tooting our own horns a little too much.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Ashvin on June 08, 2012, 08:13:18 AM
cross-posted on TAE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on June 08, 2012, 09:52:44 AM
Hey, thanks Ashvin!

There's a bunch of typos in there I gotta go fix here.  I had a few beers in me  :icon_mrgreen:

If you get a chance to fix on TAE that would  be good.  If not, no problem the world will know I am a sloppy keyboarder when I am sloshed. LOL.

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Title: Waste Based Society II: Vendor Financing & Planned Obsolescence
Post by: RE on June 08, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
Why do we run a Waste Based Economy (WBE)?  It seems illogical on the surface, but there is a fundamental reason for it.

The reason is this:  In a Conservation Based Economy, nobody gets OUTRAGEOUSLY rich!

(http://cdn.cnet.com.au/story_media/339292667/ford-model-t_12.jpg)

In this post I am going to move away from the Glass Bottles and Jars to the most glaring example of waste we have been engaged in for the last century or so since the first Model Ts rolled off Henry ford's production line, the Automobile.

Let's begin with the Car itself.  Marvelous invention it was, the Horseless Carriage.  Put a lot of Horses out of work of course, but they were quickly recycled as Dog Food.  With Gas priced cheaper than Oats and one Engine capable of doing the work of a Hundred Horses or more, nobody is going to stick with Horses except some really stubborn Amish who don't even shave!

So everybody enamored of progress and who ALSO wishes to actually SURVIVE in this new world of the Horseless Carriage wants one.  You can't compete if you have a Horse and Buggy and the next J6P has a Car and can get to the Jobsite faster than you can.  If you are a Farmer, you can't produce as much food as cheaply as the guy running a Tractor with your Team of Oxen.  If you don't get one of these New Fangled inventions, you are gonna be outta biz in no time, your farm Repoed and on your way to California with to pick the Grapes of Wrath with the rest of your Okie buddies.

Your problem here is, you don't have MONEY to buy one of these fancy new Tractors.  No problem here of course, the Kindly Banksters who financed the Tractor Factory will ALSO finance you to buy one of these Tractors!  POOF, lots of New Money is floating around here because massive loans have been made to Industry to gear up, and massive loans are made in aggregate to J6P to buy the products of that industry.

This seems GREAT at the beginning, but the problem here is that it cost a shit load of this new Money to build the Tractor and Car Factories, but unless they KEEP selling more of these cool inventions they won't be able to pay off the 30 year Mortgage they took out to set the factory up.

Because the Production Line Henry Ford set up so efficiently produces GOBS of these new Carz and Tractorz, the market gets saturated pretty quickly.  Everybody with a decent Credit rating buys the first ones off the line.  These things are OVERBUILT for the most part and will last for YEARS, even Decades if well maintained.  At the beginning also, they are simple enough in their design and construction that a handy sort of fellow can do all the maintenance on them himself.  A decade down the line, you have all the guys you originally sold Carz and Tractorz to STILL using them!  You can't sell them a New One unless you make some truly revolutionary change that makes a new one way more efficient and better than the old one.  Even then, unless the old one breaks down, its a pretty hard sell.

So at this point a few strategies are undertaken to keep selling Tractorz and Carz.  First off you get your R&D departments where they do make some real improvements for a while, but these generally hit a plateau.  Next you hit on Fashion and Comfort ad promote with Advertising.  The NEW Carz/Tractorz have more comfortable seats and real SLEEK Lines.  If you have the NEWEST John Deere Tractor, out there in the Corn Field it looks like something out of a Jules Verne Novel!  Its a Farmer's Rocket Ship! Farmer's unlike Car Buyers though generally aren't suckered by this stuff, if their Combine works, it works.  It doesn't need to look good, rust is OK if it is still working.

In the final stage, Planned Obsolescence and making the stuff so complicated nobody can fix it (not even "professionals") means every one of these Big Ticket items which you take a 10 year Loan out on to buy generally only lasts 7 or 8 before you need to buy a New One.

If John Deere or any other manufacturer of Industrial Goods really sets themselves toward producing durable goods that last longer than the typical debt cycle of 10-30 years, they will put themselves out of Bizness in no time.  The only way to KEEP SELLING is to kep expanding into New Markets and offering more Vendor Financig to each new market to buy your stuff.  Which of course is what they kept on doing right up until they saturated the whole Global Market with the stuff and there actually are probably more perfectly serviceable engines and other parts sitting in Junkyards than there are new ones beig produced in China.

As the whole economy of selling this stuff slows down, Da Goobermint tries strategies like Cash for Clunkers to ENCOURAGE people to trash their old and still serviceable Carz for new even less durable Volts, which is gonna need a new Battery Pack probably in 5 years or less.  A few people buy into this idea, but overall the number of people with a viable Credit rating to offer them Credit to buy a new Chevy Volt isn't enough to justify the Production Line, and these folks keep driving their 20 year old Mazda MPVs.

Transfer this whole idea from this side of the Pond over to Krautland and it's Client states of the PIIGS.  Every time I read one of the MANY articles where Krauts are lauded as beig so "Industrious" and their client state Citizens "Lazy", as was the case in a recent Der Spiegel Op-Ed, I want to Heave the Technicolor Yawn.  The imbalance here has little to do with inherent qualities of "Industriousness" in Krauts and "Laziness" in Wops. The imbalance comes from roughly 70 years of Vendor Financing done by the Krauts to sell their Mercedes and BMWs to the rest of the Eurotrash in the aftermath of WWII.  The Marshall Plan neatly rebuilt Kraut Industry at little cost to the Krauts, and then they proceeded to lever up on that by selling their Industrial Goods to all their neighbors.  Kraut Banks made Big Profits and so did Kraut Industry.  The Krauts REALLY got going well once they sold the Euro Currecy to their client states also, now they had a captive market that all had to use the Money they created through Loans.  Sound Familiar?  It is precisely what the Rockefellers did early on with the Dollar to sell their Oil to a captive market.

Which brings us back around here now to the original thesis of this argument, which is that you cannot get Outrageously Rich in a Conservation based economy.  See , early on here John D. Rockefeller gained Monopoly over just about all Oil production a Distribution in the FSofA, but unless he could get everyone HOOKED on Oil and wanting to buy it from him using Debt Money he himself also created, he doesn't get Richer that God than way.   He has control over/owns all the Oil in the World, but if people don't use it, waste it etc, it just sits in the ground and he doesn't get Richer than God.

The way in which the .01% really got RtG here was through Commerce, and conserving the Energy or producing really Durable goods does not do that.  The faster they get people to Consume it; the shorter the lifespan of anything you buy is; the richer they get.  Since they control the Resources, the Monetary system AND the Political system, you got no choice in this, you get the Industrial culture they build to make themselves RtG.

The problem faced by these folks now is that basically they have nothing left to sell at a price anybody can afford to buy, even if somebody would Vendor Finance them and nobody will now.  All the OLD loans are already going south here and the Oil has become too scarce and valuable to offer up at Low, Low Prices Every Day on the Walmart shelves.  Because of course that is what everything Walmart is selling really IS, it is all just OIL, transmuted into various Konsumer goods and Food, but still Oil in the end here.

So, the Monetary system being run is collasing on itself as we speak, butt he Power Structures developed over the Millenia have not yet collapsed.  By shoving Austerity on the Debtor countries, the Illuminati continue to sieve the last of the reamining wealth out of all these places. In the end though, all they Repo here is basically worthless flotsam and jetsam of the Age of Oil, and once they can no longer support the Big Ass Military, they will be quite done here.

(http://www.haitianinternet.com/spa/_files/spa_album/pic_164.jpg)
When they are done, it reamins incumbent on those who do survive the Zero Point to set up a BETTER system than this, one based not on Consumption of Resource, but of Conservation of it.  In such a system, nobody gets Richer than God, but its the only way for Homo Sapiens to continue onward with the Great Experiment of Human Sentience.  In time, I believe we will achieve this goal, but not without much Pain and much Death in the intervening period.  Through this time of Great Dieing, I remain convinced the only way to insure a Clean Kitchen in the aftermath is to make sure the Vermin are Extermintated FIRST here.

Bring on the Orkin Man.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Drones, Where Is the Outrage?
Post by: Golden Oxen on June 10, 2012, 03:58:41 AM
Might I suggest to my friends at the diner planning a bugout or setting up a communal community, that they consider going underground or find a suitable cave to hide in as their first priority.   :icon_study:

Published: 3 days ago
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For the past few weeks, I have been writing in this column about the government’s use of drones and challenging their constitutionality on Fox News Channel where I work. I once asked on air what Thomas Jefferson would have done if – had drones existed at the time – King George III had sent drones to peer inside the bedroom windows of Monticello. I suspect that Jefferson and his household would have trained their muskets on the drones and taken them down. I offer this historical anachronism as a hypothetical only, not as one who is urging the use of violence against the government.

Nevertheless, what Jeffersonians are among us today? When drones take pictures of us on our private property and in our homes, and the government uses the photos as it wishes, what will we do about it? Jefferson understood that when the government assaults our privacy and dignity, it is the moral equivalent of violence against us. The folks who hear about this, who either laugh or groan, cannot find it humorous or boring that their every move will be monitored and photographed by the government.

Don’t believe me that this is coming? The photos that the drones will take may be retained and used or even distributed to others in the government so long as the “recipient is reasonably perceived to have a specific, lawful governmental function” in requiring them. And for the first time since the Civil War, the federal government will deploy military personnel inside the United States and publicly acknowledge that it is deploying them “to collect information about U.S. persons.”

It gets worse. If the military personnel see something of interest from a drone, they may apply to a military judge or “military commander” for permission to conduct a physical search of the private property that intrigues them. And, any “incidentally acquired information” can be retained or turned over to local law enforcement. What’s next? Prosecutions before military tribunals in the U.S.?

The quoted phrases above are extracted from a now-public 30-page memorandum issued by President Obama’s secretary of the Air Force on April 23, 2012. The purpose of the memorandum is stated as “balancing … obtaining intelligence information … and protecting individual rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. …” Note the primacy of intelligence gathering over freedom protection, and note the peculiar use of the word “balancing.”

When liberty and safety clash, do we really expect the government to balance those values? Of course not. The government cannot be trusted to restrain itself in the face of individual choices to pursue happiness. That’s why we have a Constitution and a life-tenured judiciary: to protect the minority from the liberty-stealing impulses of the majority. And that’s why the Air Force memo has its priorities reversed – intelligence gathering first, protecting freedom second – and the mechanism of reconciling the two – balancing them – constitutionally incorrect.

Everyone who works for the government swears to uphold the Constitution. It was written to define and restrain the government. According to the Declaration of Independence, the government’s powers come from the consent of the governed. The government in America was not created by a powerful king reluctantly granting liberty to his subjects. It was created by free people willingly granting limited power to their government – and retaining that which they did not delegate.

The Declaration also defines our liberties as coming from our Creator, as integral to our humanity and as inseparable from us, unless we give them up by violating someone else’s liberties. Hence the Jeffersonian and constitutional beef with the word “balancing” when it comes to government power versus individual liberty.

The Judeo-Christian and constitutionally mandated relationship between government power and individual liberty is not balance. It is bias – a bias in favor of liberty. All presumptions should favor the natural rights of individuals, not the delegated and seized powers of the government. Individual liberty, not government power, is the default position because persons are immortal and created in God’s image, and governments are temporary and based on force.

Hence my outrage at the coming use of drones – some as small as golf balls – to watch us, to listen to us and to record us. Did you consent to the government having that power? Did you consent to the American military spying on Americans in America? I don’t know a single person who has, but I know only a few who are complaining.

If we remain silent when our popularly elected government violates the laws it has sworn to uphold and steals the freedoms we elected it to protect, we will have only ourselves to blame when Big Brother is everywhere. Somehow, I doubt my father’s generation fought the Nazis in World War II only to permit a totalitarian government to flourish here.

Is President Obama prepared to defend this? Is Gov. Romney prepared to challenge it? Are you prepared for its consequences?

Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Drones, Where Is the Outrage?
Post by: RE on June 10, 2012, 04:45:11 AM
Might I suggest to my friends at the diner planning a bugout or setting up a communal community, that they consider going underground or find a suitable cave to hide in as their first priority.   :icon_study:

GO!  You're ALIVE!  I was worried you went swimming with all your Gold and sank.  :crying:

Anyhow, no worries on the Drone End.  About the same time the Chinese sink all the Carrier Groups with Cruise Missiles the Drones will drop out of the sky also.  Temporary problem.  In the interim, long as the electrical grid is up, the Resistance can generate a local EMP with a few large capacitors and an RF generator. If the Iranians can knock down a Drone, I'm sure a few creative Rewilding Hackers can manage it also.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on June 10, 2012, 06:35:12 AM
Quote RE  "GO!  You're ALIVE!  I was worried you went swimming with all your Gold and sank."  :crying:

No RE, As a matter of fact Karpatok wrote a lovely poetic piece of prose last Sunday that set my mind adrift elsewhere. Strange and amazing how the mind can transform your perspective and interest to an entirely different dimension by a sequence of words it relates too.
Title: HOT DEBATE NOTIFICATION OFW; Doomstead vs Bugout/Rewilding
Post by: RE on June 10, 2012, 01:47:38 PM
I am engaged in a hot debate over on OFW in Gail's Rentier Debt and the Collapse of Debt-Based Finance (http://ourfiniteworld.com/2012/06/08/rentier-debt-and-the-collapse-of-debt-based-finance/) thread.

The debate pits Shelter-in-Place Doomsteading vs Bugout/Rewilding as to which is the better plan to negotiate the shitstorm to come.  should be of interest to most Diners.

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Title: Re: HOT DEBATE NOTIFICATION OFW; Doomstead vs Bugout/Rewilding
Post by: RE on June 10, 2012, 03:46:32 PM
(http://images.moviepostershop.com/jeremiah-johnson-movie-poster-1972-1010192348.jpg)
I reposted an excerpt from the debate including all my posts so far on this topic on the Diner Blog under the title

Doomstead Shelter-in-Place vs. Bugout and Rewilding: The Debate Continues (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/06/10/doomstead-shelter-in-place-vs-bugout-and-rewilding-the-debate-continues/)

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Title: Revelation
Post by: RE on June 17, 2012, 03:10:54 AM
I publised a Oldie but Goodie on the blog Revelation (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/06/16/revelation/).  Covers a lot of the stuff we have been hashing out in other threads, here and on TA.  Worth a read IMHO.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on June 19, 2012, 07:00:28 AM
Just catching up with your "Revelation" post. I think I remember this from TBP; a sad time for you. But quite a good article.

Interesting that many of the themes you have explored and developed on the Yahoo board and here make an appearance in this article as well.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: roamer on June 19, 2012, 07:28:01 AM
RE,
Just wanted to send my sympathy to you for your loss. Sort of an ironic thing to do on the craziest doomer board out there, but really I think there is some sort of crazy deep optimism here at DD.  Nobody looks at the BIG situation in all its potential gore like the folks at DD.  Perhaps for that reason we might be best suited to pioneering the least worst option....Regardless I for one enjoy your writing more than any collapse talk out there, it has spirit behind it and hands down the best pictures and youtube clips, so thank you for your work!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on June 19, 2012, 08:35:09 AM
// I think there is some sort of crazy deep optimism here at DD.  Nobody looks at the BIG situation in all its potential gore like the folks at DD.  Perhaps for that reason we might be best suited to pioneering the least worst option....

Roamer, I think you nailed it with "crazy deep optimism." Rarely does RE do a "full doom" post without exhorting us to "save as many as you can." Indeed that is the animating zeitgeist here-- to do that.

Thought experiments are mental preps to create the "least worst option."

An extra ladle of greasy diner gruel for Roamer!
Title: DD #1 in DOOM!!!
Post by: RE on June 19, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
RE,
Just wanted to send my sympathy to you for your loss. Sort of an ironic thing to do on the craziest doomer board out there, but really I think there is some sort of crazy deep optimism here at DD.  Nobody looks at the BIG situation in all its potential gore like the folks at DD.  Perhaps for that reason we might be best suited to pioneering the least worst option....Regardless I for one enjoy your writing more than any collapse talk out there, it has spirit behind it and hands down the best pictures and youtube clips, so thank you for your work!

Great Testimonial!  I'm going to put it up as Quote of the Month tonight on the Newz Page!

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Mark N on June 19, 2012, 05:05:46 PM
"crazy deep optimism."

Good call Roamer that is why I frequent the DD. Industrial civilization continuing indefinitely means the death of most of the life on earth humans included. I think most of the people at the DD realize that agricultural revolution man and industrial man have collapse baked into the cake; they are essentially ponzi schemes (agreveloution with population growth, industrial with resource consumption growth.)

The optimism comes in believing that humanity can survive the coming die off; and having a rational conversation about how best to do it can only help. Once you come to the conclusion that humanity is in deep population overshoot, sustained only by converting fossil fuels into food, collapse is the rational conclusion in light of resource depletion. If facing reality makes me a doomer, a proud card carrying doomer I plan to be. I personally feel the techno optimists are the crazy ones urging us over the cliff like lemmings.

Also a great blog post over at Question Everything http://questioneverything.typepad.com/question_everything/2012/06/how-will-people-react-to-a-collapsing-civilization.html (http://questioneverything.typepad.com/question_everything/2012/06/how-will-people-react-to-a-collapsing-civilization.html)

George Mobus is doing some great writing on sapience as it relates to the coming collapse
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily: Morticia the ‘Corpse Flower’ is in Full Pungent Bloom
Post by: Golden Oxen on June 20, 2012, 04:39:43 PM
Morticia by David L Ryan
Morticia by David L Ryan

Kitty litter. Sweat. An aquarium.

That’s how three visitors described the aroma of Morticia, the Franklin Park Zoo’s famous flower, after waiting in line half an hour for a whiff.

Morticia reached full bloom Tuesday night, an event that lasts two days and happens once every 15 years for amorphophallus titanums, commonly called “corpse flowers.”

Zoo officials opened the greenhouse last Thursday for viewing, and since last Friday more than 11,900 visitors have stopped by for a visit, spokeswoman Carol Thistle said. During a free viewing Wednesday morning, hundreds lined up in intense heat to see, and smell, the blooming flower for themselves.

The “corpse flower” takes its name from the plant’s aroma, which many compare to that of rotting flesh.

Many who visited Wednesday, however, had their own descriptions.

“To me, it smells like old kitty litter,” said Somerville’s Ben Dicke, 28. “It’s not too pleasant.”

Zoo officials say roughly 30 corpse flowers have bloomed in captivity. In order to survive, the 200-pound flower needs conditions similar to those in its native western Indonesia, with a temperature of 82 degrees and a humidity level between 80 to 90 percent.

Those greenhouse conditions, on a day when temperatures in Boston topped 90 degrees, made distinguishing the plant’s smell a bit challenging for Josh Evans, 15.

“I’m trying to decide whether that’s the plant or whether that’s a bunch of sweaty people,” he said. “I feel like you should be able to smell the plant, and that must be it.”

Not that the smell, which he called “really, really bad,” detracted from his visit.

“These things only flower once every 15 years,” Evans said. “It’s not a chance you get every day.”

Morticia stands at 4 feet, 9 inches tall. Its large leaves curl away from the brown plant in all directions and are deep purple when viewed from above.

Damaging the flower in any way, whether a scratch or bruise, can prove to be disastrous for the plant, said Harry Liggett, manager of horticulture and grounds at Zoo New England.

There zoo has four other corpse flowers, all donated by Dr. Louis Ricciardiello, an oral surgeon in Laconia, N.H. Ricciardiello, who has been working with the plants for several years, holds the Guinness World Record for the world’s tallest bloom. The winning plant — a “corpse flower”— measured more than 10 feet, 2 inches, in 2010.

http://feeds.boston.com/click.phdo?i=5895d16bcfae9a97d087beca6abed718 (http://feeds.boston.com/click.phdo?i=5895d16bcfae9a97d087beca6abed718)
Title: Hang 'em High-Animated GIF
Post by: RE on June 27, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
(http://gifsoup.com/view1/3873508/hang-em-high-o.gif)

You guys may have noticed I have been using quite a few Animated GIFs lately, which drop in just like any other image using the img code.  I get them from GIFSOUP (http://www.gifsoup.com), a website you can make animated GIFs on from videos on You Tube.


Anyhow, all the prior ones I used were made by somebody else, today I made my first one of my own!

From the Hang 'em High film trailer, of course.


Next up, I am working on getting one out of this Guillotine Short Film  :icon_sunny:

http://www.youtube.com/v/lo5BBHtn4tM

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Title: Re: Hang 'em High-Animated GIF
Post by: RE on June 27, 2012, 11:03:24 PM
Success! I have made 3 new AGs, another Hanging one and 2 Guillotine ones!

I will wait to Unveil them in the appropriate posting for good context.  :icon_mrgreen:

Tragic that I did not have these available during the Orkin Man Debates. :(  They would have gone over like Gangbusters on TAE, no doubt.  :ban:

On to some Gunfights.

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Title: Outlaw Josey Wales-Animated GIF
Post by: RE on June 28, 2012, 12:21:29 AM

On to some Gunfights.

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Got my first OJW AG done!  I'll include that one here :)

(http://gifsoup.com/view1/3873993/josey-wales-1-o.gif)

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Title: Wile E. Coyote-Animated GIF
Post by: RE on June 28, 2012, 12:39:05 AM
(http://gifsoup.com/view4/3874024/wile-e-coyote-1-o.gif)
One for the oncoming Market Crash!  Wile E. Coyote with the Gravity Lesson!  WAY better Animated!

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Title: Technicolor Yawn-Animated GIF
Post by: RE on June 28, 2012, 01:10:30 AM
You hadda KNOW this one was coming.  :icon_mrgreen: This one is going to get a LOT of use I am sure.

The Technicolor Yawn AG!

(http://gifsoup.com/view7/3874078/vomit-1-o.gif)

I dropped this one into the Guerrilla Internet Free Speech Project (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/06/27/guerilla-internet-free-speech-project/) article.  Really perks it up IMHO. LOL.

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Title: Come with me if you want to LIVE!: New AG
Post by: RE on July 02, 2012, 02:47:47 AM
(http://gifsoup.com/view1/3888275/t2live-o.gif)
Up to now 20 AGs for EVERY occassion including 2 more I pulled out of the Jesus Christ Guns Comic TJ turned me on to.  Latest tonight is an old favorite, my Terminator Metaphor, Come with me if you want to LIVE!

Only sad thing here is I am going to HAVE to buy a Premium Membership and redo all these GIFS in higher quality and size.  Meanwhile though, these Freebies are just GREAT!

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 03, 2012, 04:06:38 AM
Who is Jimbo, see you refer to him a lot but have no idea who he is?
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on July 03, 2012, 04:17:01 AM
Who is Jimbo, see you refer to him a lot but have no idea who he is?

"Jimbo" is Jim Quinn, Admin of The Burning Platform.  Jimbo and I have a LONG history.  Surly can fill you in.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on July 03, 2012, 07:14:29 AM
And I will.

Jim Quinn is the admin of The Burning Platform. He is a skilled writer whose range is like Frank Sinatra in his late career: absolutely perfect when he operates within those four notes he can still hit. His articles are long, and formulaic to some extent: you can find some suitable quotes from classic texts (mined for relevance and selected to add an academic gloss), an assortment of charts to burnish economic points, and the usual obligatory genuflection to Strauss and Howe's "The Fourth Turning,"  a generational theory of the cycles of history in Western cultures. "The Fourth Turning" is interesting enough and the theory seductively provocative; yet Quinn uses it to look through EVERYTHING, like a frat boy looks through beer goggles at the remaining girls at closing time.

That is the Dr. Jekyll of TBP; this same man, capable of compelling narrative and good storytelling, becomes Mr. Hyde in abusing his admin privileges to rewrite the posts of people who respond with comments. He has done this to mock and belittle those who disagree with his premises. I found myself in that unwelcome category quite often, as did Our Host here, plus another poster whose sobriquet was "English rose." There may have been others. The purpose was always to mock and belittle, as a means of enforcing a libertarian groupthink, which included, as article of faith, a libertarian theology of the efficacy of free markets, a view of government doing ANYTHING as socialism, and a wholesale mockery of the poor, who all seem to live in the "40 Blocks of Squalor" that Quinn passes as he drives to his cushy job at Wharton as a comptroller. The Paul campaign was a big seller over there as well. Dr. Hyde also preaches the gospel of a inter-generational warfare, in which Gen X and Gen Y will Rise Up and rip the gonads off the selfish and sleazy Boomers whose profligacy has damaged the country. Quinn is, of course, a Boomer-in-denial himself, born in the early 60s by his own admission. I will leave the self-loathing to his shrinks.

TBP used to feature a wider range of viewpoints, from troglodyte libertarian to socially liberal, and even featured Our Host as one of the featured bloggers. That came to a bad end. Quinn encourages his brownshirted herd of self-described "shit-throwing monkeys" to enforce the prevailing zeitgeist over there.

IN my final post on that board I channeled my inner Louis C.K. and urged Quinn and his buttsniffing disciples to "go suck a bag of dicks." And I haven't looked back.

Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on July 03, 2012, 02:35:47 PM
And I will.

Jim Quinn is the admin of The Burning Platform. He is a skilled writer whose range is like Frank Sinatra in his late career: absolutely perfect when he operates within those four notes he can still hit. His articles are long, and formulaic to some extent: you can find some suitable quotes from classic texts (mined for relevance and selected to add an academic gloss), an assortment of charts to burnish economic points, and the usual obligatory genuflection to Strauss and Howe's "The Fourth Turning,"  a generational theory of the cycles of history in Western cultures. "The Fourth Turning" is interesting enough and the theory seductively provocative; yet Quinn uses it to look through EVERYTHING, like a frat boy looks through beer goggles at the remaining girls at closing time.

That is the Dr. Jekyll of TBP; this same man, capable of compelling narrative and good storytelling, becomes Mr. Hyde in abusing his admin privileges to rewrite the posts of people who respond with comments. He has done this to mock and belittle those who disagree with his premises. I found myself in that unwelcome category quite often, as did Our Host here, plus another poster whose sobriquet was "English rose." There may have been others. The purpose was always to mock and belittle, as a means of enforcing a libertarian groupthink, which included, as article of faith, a libertarian theology of the efficacy of free markets, a view of government doing ANYTHING as socialism, and a wholesale mockery of the poor, who all seem to live in the "40 Blocks of Squalor" that Quinn passes as he drives to his cushy job at Wharton as a comptroller. The Paul campaign was a big seller over there as well. Dr. Hyde also preaches the gospel of a inter-generational warfare, in which Gen X and Gen Y will Rise Up and rip the gonads off the selfish and sleazy Boomers whose profligacy has damaged the country. Quinn is, of course, a Boomer-in-denial himself, born in the early 60s by his own admission. I will leave the self-loathing to his shrinks.

TBP used to feature a wider range of viewpoints, from troglodyte libertarian to socially liberal, and even featured Our Host as one of the featured bloggers. That came to a bad end. Quinn encourages his brownshirted herd of self-described "shit-throwing monkeys" to enforce the prevailing zeitgeist over there.

IN my final post on that board I channeled my inner Louis C.K. and urged Quinn and his buttsniffing disciples to "go suck a bag of dicks." And I haven't looked back.

Minor correction, 30 Blocks of Squalor, not 40.  Otherwise, a spot on Review there :)

Additional information, Jimbo's current WP Blog is actually the Second Coming of TBP, it originally was housed on a Doom Network a fellow named Jason was Admin of, the Raging Debate.  Very nice custom software, Jason is a professional sofware developer.  Jimbo and Jason had a falling out over Money Issues from Doug Casey's advertising.  Jason offered me my own site, then we had a falling out over, you guessed it, CENSORSHIP issues.

The original TBP was as Surly indicates full of more diverse viewpoints then his current WP Blog is.  Far as his articles go, as Surly indicates they are well written although now very formulaic.  It is in the Commentariat where his Mr. Hyde comes out and he is a Nightmare as an Admin.  The only people left in the commentary there now are brown nosers who genuflect to His Greatness.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Jimbo
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 04, 2012, 04:52:13 AM
RE,Surly. Thanks for the profile, had no idea.

Additional information, Jimbo's current WP Blog is actually the Second Coming of TBP, it originally was housed on a Doom Network a fellow named Jason was Admin of, the Raging Debate.  Very nice custom software, Jason is a professional sofware developer.  Jimbo and Jason had a falling out over Money Issues from Doug Casey's advertising.  Jason offered me my own site, then we had a falling out over, you guessed it, CENSORSHIP issues.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Corruption
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 04, 2012, 05:37:34 AM
Some light reading about the current moral compass of our beloved political and business leaders. Hold your nose!    :coffee:   

 Tuesday, July 3, 2012
Corruption!
A prelude to some Independence Day fireworks:

Corrupt Congressional Financial Moves Go Way Beyond "Insider Trading"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/06/25/corrupt_congressional_financial_moves_go_way_beyond_quot_insider_trading_quot_.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/06/25/corrupt_congressional_financial_moves_go_way_beyond_quot_insider_trading_quot_.html)

GlaxoSmithKline to pay $3bn in US drug fraud scandal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18673220 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18673220)

British parliament to launch inquiry into bank rate rigging scandal
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0702/barclays-chairman-marcus-agius-resigns.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0702/barclays-chairman-marcus-agius-resigns.html)

Big Banks Have Become Mafia-Style Criminal Enterprises
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/06/big-banks-conspire-to-game-the-main-interest-rate-indicator-and-to-fleece-cities-and-counties.html (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/06/big-banks-conspire-to-game-the-main-interest-rate-indicator-and-to-fleece-cities-and-counties.html)

Poor Land in Jail as Companies Add Huge Fees for Probation
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/us/probation-fees-multiply-as-companies-profit.html?_r=1&smid=tw-share (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/us/probation-fees-multiply-as-companies-profit.html?_r=1&smid=tw-share)

The Looting of China by the Kleptokapitalist Bourgeoisie Roaders
http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2012/06/28/the-looting-of-china-by-the-kleptokapitalist-bourgeoisie-roaders/ (http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2012/06/28/the-looting-of-china-by-the-kleptokapitalist-bourgeoisie-roaders/)

How Delaware Thrives as a Corporate Tax Haven
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/business/how-delaware-thrives-as-a-corporate-tax-haven.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/business/how-delaware-thrives-as-a-corporate-tax-haven.html?pagewanted=all)
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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on July 04, 2012, 05:42:37 AM
GO, looks like you have singlehandedly populated the DD reading room!

I expect that after working my way through these articles I should be ready to become the Orkin Man myself...
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 04, 2012, 06:28:12 AM
GO, looks like you have singlehandedly populated the DD reading room!

I expect that after working my way through these articles I should be ready to become the Orkin Man myself...
Orkin Man justice is too kind for these vermin Surly. They should be stripped of all their material wealth and tortured for years. The Rack always appealed to me as a wonderful tool for driving home a lesson to this kind, but of course there are many others just as suitable.
Title: Independence Day 2012
Post by: RE on July 04, 2012, 03:06:02 PM
I've been writing Independence Day posts ever since 2008, though I don't know where they all are anymore on the net.  Every year I drive the float in the Parade since my bad legs don't allow me to walk the route with the kiddoes.  From my Perch inside the vehicle, I get to see all the Smiling Faces of the Lily White Alaska community, sprinkled with a few Natives ever 100 yards or so and a Brown Skinned person maybe every 1/4 mile or so along the Parade Route.

Every year also since at least 2008 I see DOOM just around the Corner, but of course every year since DOOM hasn't yet quite arrived this far out on edge of Civilization quite YET, at least for me.  A few folks do Freeze to Death in Homeless Encampments in Anchorage every winter though, DOOM arrived and past for them already.

Every year I figure the NEXT one instead of driving the Float with a Ford 3/4 Ton Pickup or some other Behemoth of the Road, I'll be Mushing a Dog Team instead.  Or maybe just Harness Up the Kiddoes on Bicycles and have them pull it. LOL.

Will we still be Celebrating "Independence Day" of 1776, or will that one Fade in Memory with a New Revolution?  Will it come in what is left of my Lifetime, or will I be writing here on the Doomstead Diner with the expectation DOOM will arrive in the next year for the remainder of my years Walking the Earth?

No answers to these questions today, but I did have two Free Hotdogs at the end of the Parade Route courtesy of the Chamber of Commerce.

Below for your Reading Pleasure is one of the July 4th posts I did find from 2009 over on Reverse Engineering, my old Bugout Location on the Net where I went every time I got Banned from an OPB I was writing on, before the Immaculate Conception of the Doomstead Diner this year.  Change a few minor details, it remains as true today as it was 3 years ago.

Quote from: RE
Well, just back from the Independence Day Parade, and as expected it was just
like last year, except an even nicer and sunnier Alaska Summer day, temps well
into the 70s with a bright blue sky.

We didn't do the Big Float this year, we have been very busy lately and nobody
had time to organize up a Float Decorating committee. In its place, we
decorated up a Van, and two of our community drove their brand spanking new
Sports Cars, a Ford Mustang and a Chevy Corvette. Looking like this may be the
last year for such Muscle Cars to come off the Production Line of course.

Many smiling faces along the Parade route, but I did note a few Closed
Biznesses, in particular a very NICE Real Estate Sales Building done in Log
Cabin style which had a "For Lease" sign on it. I guess the agents in that
office haven't been selling many properties lately. Still many For Sale signs
on houses around here, but the prices haven't dropped all that much. One has to
suspect the banks holding the mortgages simply cannot bring themselves to sell
at what the market might actually pay. I'd probably take a small cabin on some
decent property off their hands for say $10K. LOL. Of course, if they started
selling at those prices, EVERYBODY up here who bought a house in the last decade
would be Underwater, so for right now keeping these houses on the books at
values around $150K-$200K keeps the ILLUSION our economy is still functioning
alive.

After the Parade, I went shopping at Fred Meyer, and I am finally going to say I
do see signs of JIT failure. FM has been doing a lot of interior
reconstruction, moving around shelves and so forth. None of the products I buy
seem to be disappearing as of yet, but they have taken a good 20% of the floor
space out. They just put up a new Wall which cuts off about 50' of one end of
the store, with no apparent entry to that area as of yet. Nevertheless, still
plenty of food at good prices, and those Propane Cannisters in the Camping
section are still going for the bargain price of $2.50 a pop, so I bought a few
more.

Reading the news since I got home, so far no big False Flag event, unless you
count North Korea firing off a few missiles, which really is just BAU these
days. They didn't actually drop one on Tokyo or anything. Regardless, my sense
of FOREBODING over next week's economic Newz remains in place. The sheer LACK
of Newz stories in the MSM I can Google up on the Stock Market or on the CA IOU
situation bothers me. I definitely feel like there is a LID on economic newz at
the moment while TPTB figure out WTF they are going to do next week. Common
sense tells me that next week SHOULD see a massive downleg in Equities.
However, common sense does not always apply when the market is being totally
manipulated, so there is an equal chance TPTB are concocting a way to prop up
the market when it opens on Monday. Not exactly sure how the Fed can inject in
more money here without it being OBVIOUS, but maybe those software redesigns
will obfuscate the problem some more next week.

My Doom-o-meter is PEGGED right now, I feel the closest to DOOM since around
October of last year. If we get through next week with no major catastrophe, I
might calm down some. Anyhow, I'll try to enjoy Sunday with another nice BBQ of
a T-Bone and wait to see what comes down the pipe Monday.
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Title: The Diner Newz Page Update
Post by: RE on July 06, 2012, 02:13:36 AM
I have begun the process of Updating the Diner News Page to make it a more Functional and better Main Link for the Diner than the Blog Page.

The Newz Page is directly linkable as http://www.doomsteaddiner.com (http://www.doomsteaddiner.com)

The Blog remains directly linkable as http://www.doomsteaddiner.net (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net)

At the top of the Newz Page now are 3 links, 1 to the Diner Blog, 1 to the Recent Comments (last 100), and one to the Index Page of the Forum.  This should provide all Diners with the 3 main links they need to check out what is Happenning on the Diner on any given day.

I am going to do some updating in the Cells below as well here to make them more functional for Diners to directly connect to favorite areas inside the Diner.

When  Plugging the Diner on other Blogs, the http://www.doomsteaddiner.com (http://www.doomsteaddiner.com) is probably the better one to use in most circumstances.  Up to you though which one you think is better in Plugging.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on July 06, 2012, 03:38:56 AM
An excellent idea.
Title: Pump Boys & Dinettes
Post by: RE on July 07, 2012, 02:14:54 AM
I note each time I visit the Homepage that we usually have at least as many GUESTS online as we do Diners.

If you are currently reading the Diner as a GUEST, you are MISSING the most FUN and INFORMATIVE stuff on the Diner.  Many of the Tables in the Diner are MEMBERS ONLY. You can't even see they EXIST as a Guest.

If you REALLY wanna explore DOOM on the Diner, you CANNOT do that as a GUEST.  You gotta bite the bullet and become a DINER.

Join NOW and get the FULL SCOOP ON DOOM as Full Fledged DINER!

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant /German Emperor Appears to be Naked?/
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 07, 2012, 06:06:00 AM
Tuesday 3rd July 2012, 12:37am
DETLEV SCHLICHTER

IN THE present debate on the euro crisis, Germany is frequently portrayed as a model of economic strength, a beacon of fiscal prudence and a proponent of structural reform. Her resources seem endless and her government debt an indisputable safe-haven. If only Germany shared her strength and resources more generously, the euro debt crisis could be solved. But this is an optical illusion. Sooner or later, markets will wake up to the reality of the country’s fundamental weaknesses and grave challenges.

Over the 13 full calendar years of the life of the euro, Germany accumulated an additional €900bn (£722bn) in public debt. The overall debt load rose from €1,200bn in early 1999 to €2,100bn at the end of 2011, or from 61 per cent to 81 per cent of GDP. Remember that it was Germany that pushed through the Maastricht criteria, among them a debt-to-GDP ratio of no more than 60 per cent. Germany met this benchmark – barely – in only three of 13 years, and presently has little chance to get there ever again. Only for four of those 13 years did Germany’s deficit stay within the Maastricht Treaty’s recommended limit of 1 per cent, and on seven occasions it exceeded the “maximum” of 3 per cent.

True, last year’s deficit of 1 per cent looks respectable when compared to most of the Eurozone, or Britain (8.4 per cent) or the US (8.7 per cent). But this was achieved after two years of three per cent growth, record-low borrowing costs and the lowest unemployment rate in 20 years. Even then, the German state could not balance its books. And these rosy conditions will certainly not last. As elsewhere, artificially low interest rates are, for the time being, sustaining a mirage of profitability and prosperity in large parts of the German economy, in particular the financial sector.

More important is the fact that Germany sits on a ticking fiscal time bomb and nothing has been done in years to diffuse it. Over the past four decades, Germany extended considerable, unfunded promises to the populace, mainly in the areas of public health insurance, state pensions and the public care insurance. An expensive inheritance of the last “conservative” government under Helmut Kohl, Chancellor Angela Merkel’s mentor. These commitments constitute, at minimum, implicit government debt in excess of 200 per cent of present GDP.

The Germans like their welfare state and their appetite for reform is strictly limited. The modest, but not unimportant, measures to liberalise the labour market that Germany now feels give her the right to lecture others on the topic of structural reform, all date back to the second Gerhard Schroeder government ten years ago. Nothing has happened under Merkel. No wonder, these reforms cost Schroeder the chancellorship.

Germany is not an exception. Like most other mature social democracies, it is slowly but surely going broke. Differences with Greece and Spain are of speed and degree only, not of direction. It is utter recklessness that the country has now taken it upon itself to be the backstop for the entire continent. Once Spain has officially joined the casualty list, 80 per cent of European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) funds will have to come from just 3 countries: Germany, France and Italy. That would mean a bill in excess of €200bn for Germany right away, more than 8 per cent GDP. But as Italy – or various national banking sectors – could be next in line, demands on German funds are practically limitless.

Banks in the periphery are haemorrhaging deposits, which are flowing to a considerable degree to Germany. At the level of the national central banks, these transfers are not being settled. This allows banking sectors in the periphery to replace vanishing client deposits with ECB funds, and thus limit asset sales and balance sheet contraction at local banks in Spain and Greece. This puts the Bundesbank in the uncomfortable position of being a de-facto creditor to other central banks. At the end of May, Target2 balances at the Bundesbank stood at €700bn, about 27 per cent of German GDP.

Germany may well be last man standing in the Euro drama but that only means that there will be no one left to bail her out. Bunds as safe-haven investments are another bubble ready to burst.

Detlev Schlichter is the author of Paper Money Collapse – The Folly of Elastic Money and the Coming Monetary Breakdown (Wiley, 2011). He blogs at papermoneycollapse.com       :icon_study:

Title: Top Diner Commenters
Post by: RE on July 08, 2012, 12:33:51 AM
OK Sportsfans, I did another update to the Diner Newz Page  (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/news/) and included a list of the Top Commenters in the Forum.  If I left you out by accident, lemme know.  The purpose here is to Honor the contributors to the Diner.

The Newz Page is looking pretty good now IMHO,and overall improves Navigation around the Diner. Its probably the best Bookmark to use now. I think its also the best Link to use if you do any Plugging for DD on other websites. You get there directly by using the http://www.doomsteaddiner.com (http://www.doomsteaddiner.com) URL.

Further suggestions for improving the Newz Page are welcome.

Plug the LIVING SHIT out of DD! SAVE AS MANY AS YOU CAN!

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 08, 2012, 10:06:06 AM
New article from Ilargi at TAE. Thought it was an excellent posting and could be remotely construed as a reply? http://theautomaticearth.org/Finance/hubris-before-the-storm.html (http://theautomaticearth.org/Finance/hubris-before-the-storm.html)        :-\ 
Title: Vids on the Blog Homepage!
Post by: RE on July 10, 2012, 01:27:42 AM
An Unintended but Fortuitous consequence of the recent publication of WHDs Techno Triumphal Cornucopianism (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/07/08/techno-triumphal-cronucopianism/) is that I have discovered a NEW Way to Embed Videos in Blog Articles so they actually APPEAR in the Homepage Synopsis of the Articles.

This will now allow for large size Feature Video to appear directly below the Slider which runs through the recent Blog Articles, something I have wanted to have available since we launched the Diner.

Also, Blog Articles which incorporate a Video as a Primary source of information can also have that vid appear on the Homepage.

This really perks up the Blog Homepage overall.  I  don't have a Feature Video up there yet, but maybe will get one up tonight.

Thanks to WHD, even though it was a complete accident. :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Feature Video: Which Side are you On?
Post by: RE on July 11, 2012, 07:57:46 PM
In honor of the Ongoing Resistance in Madrid, video from Syntagma Square in Greece accompanied by Natalie Merchant's renditionof "Which Side are You On" has now replaced Nigel Farage's latest video lambasting the Euro Clowns as the Homepage Feature Video (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/).

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant/I'll save you, Nell!
Post by: Surly1 on July 12, 2012, 06:57:52 AM
Found this today. Pretty amazing.

(http://i.imgur.com/XWP4V.gif)
Title: Blog Homepage Refinement: Feature Article Placement
Post by: RE on July 14, 2012, 04:41:17 PM
Recently I added a Feature Video to the Blog Homepage,which follows directly after the Slider. Following that is a synopsis of all the most recent articles in chronological order.

I have now figured out a way to take an article and Feature it for a while right after the Slider but before the Feature Video.  The Video then separates this article from the rest of the synopses, thus "Featuring" it near the top of the Blog Homepage for a while.

The really cool part about this is I can go back into the Blog Archives and pull up older articles to refresh them for new readers and leave them up for longer than the usual One Day that a given article might sit at the top of the Homepage. This is particularly important given all the Cross Posting Bloggers we are accumulating on the Diner.  As we get more of them, we end up with more than one new Blog Article per day, so the articles written by Native Diners can be pushed down the list quickly.  Including my own of course there, which is real depressing when I spend a lot of time writing a Big One and it only gets Top Billing for a day. :(  This resolves that problem.

Beyond this, I'm not limited to just one Feature Article, I can drop 2 or 3 in there before the Feature Video. Actually it's unlimited, but 3 is the max I will go at any given time.

The ONLY articles eligible for the Feature Spot come from Native Diners.  I might make a VERY RARE exception for a Seminal Article written by a Cross Posting author, but otherwise the Feature area is reserved for DINER AUTHORS ONLY.

So, GET WRITING DINERS!  Get YOUR article Featured on the Diner Blog!

Doomstead Diner #1 for DOOM on the Net!

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Title: Re: Blog Homepage Refinement: Feature Article Placement
Post by: RE on July 14, 2012, 04:58:35 PM
This isn't working out as perfectly as I stated above. It appears that sometimes the Feature Article will appear directly ABOVE the Feature Video, other times directly BELOW it.  I'm not sure why that is occurring.  I thought it would be ordered strictly chronologically by post date, but apparently not.  I tried alphabetical by title also no go.

In any event, Feature Articles do appear first before all the other articles.

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Title: Blog Homepage Refinement: Slider Feature Author
Post by: RE on July 14, 2012, 11:38:54 PM
I have now discovered that I can use the Slider (at the very top of the Homepage of the Blog) to select out only the Articles of a specific Diner Author and JUST scroll through that Author's articles.

This allows a still BIGGER Honor than just getting your article Featured for a while near the page top.  If you make it into the Slider, you get the TOP OF THE PAGE highlighting JUST your articles!

So, I have now reduced the number of articles the Slider scrolls through to 5 and sped it up some as it was too slow.

In order to make it into the Slider, you need to be a Native Diner Author and participant in the Diner Forum on a regular basis.  You must also have contributed at least 5 articles to the Diner Blog under your own Byline.

First Featured Slider Author is....drumroll....SURLY!

As of right now, only Surly, Peter and Myself meet all the criteria for getting into the Slider. Hopefully WHD will get his first 5 up soon enough. He lost his first one "Born on the Fourth of July" because that went up under my Byline.  Same with Agelbert's first WBS III article.

I will rotate the Feature Author in the Slider 2-3 times a week probably. This will help keep the Blog Homepage fresh.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on July 15, 2012, 05:10:47 AM
Quite an honor. Thanks.

Yet I wonder if the slider ought not be devoted to WHAT's NEW at the diner, either featuring 5-7 of either the freshest posts, or the most significant, in your editorials POV. While I am flattered to have my stuff displayed thus, I wonder whether a newbie might not be confused by the purpose.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on July 15, 2012, 10:39:00 AM
Quite an honor. Thanks.

Yet I wonder if the slider ought not be devoted to WHAT's NEW at the diner, either featuring 5-7 of either the freshest posts, or the most significant, in your editorials POV. While I am flattered to have my stuff displayed thus, I wonder whether a newbie might not be confused by the purpose.

Just a thought.

The way it was set before was in chronological order, newest first.  The only other choice there is Random.  I can't pick out the Most Significant for the Slider, I can only do that by making it a "sticky"which fixes an article to the top of the page.

The rest of the posts come out in chronological order below that anyhow.  So it's kind of redundant to have the Slider in chronological order.

The other issue is that with all the Cross Posting articles, it's nice to have a way to Feature stuff that is by Native Diner Authors. It's what's original on the Diner.

Now we just need a few more Native Diner Authors to Feature.

Get Writing Diners!

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Title: Slider Feature Author
Post by: RE on July 15, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
Quite an honor. Thanks.

Yet I wonder if the slider ought not be devoted to WHAT's NEW at the diner, either featuring 5-7 of either the freshest posts, or the most significant, in your editorials POV. While I am flattered to have my stuff displayed thus, I wonder whether a newbie might not be confused by the purpose.

Just a thought.

I gave this some more thought, and what I think I will do now is only occassionally do the "Feature Author" thing in the Slider, and MOST of the time have it set Chronologically going maybe 10 deep, usually about 1 Week's worth of Articles. Many Readers are Weekly types, they sit down on Sunday and Catch Up on their favorite websites.  MOST people are not Glued to the Keyboard 24/7 like yours truly. LOL.

I also figured out I can put "FEATURE ARTICLE" in a post in that spot on there without changing the Permalink.  So that identifies it clearly while it sits up in that spot.

Finally, because of the way the Slider Works, it does NOT show the Author's Byline.  If you want your Byline to show in the Slider, I suggest putting it at the top of each article you write.  I will be doing that in all my future articles.

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Title: Messing With the Slider
Post by: RE on July 16, 2012, 03:19:32 AM
I have discovered a few other ways to use the Slider parameters.

I now have it set on "Random" Sliding through 10 Articles. This is REALLY cool, because each time you Refresh the Page or come back to it, it gives you a completely NEW selection of Articles to pick from, going right back to the very first articles!

This means any regular reader of the Diner Blog will just about ALWAYS be presented with an article He/She has not read!  The more articles that we put up, the less likely it is you ever get a repeat.

Besides that, it is not only possible to sort by Author, it is also possible to sort by Topic Area.  So for instance I can sort for JUST Economics articles, or JUST Bugout Articles or JUST Hydroponics Articles etc, as long as the Author checks off the right boxes before publishing!

Below the Slider I do the Feature Article, 2 now in that slot one from me and one from Surly.  Then below that is the Feature Video, and below that, all the rest of the articles in Chronological Order!

I still intend to do the Feature Author thing in the Slider as we get more Authors, to Highlight individual work.  However, I will play with all the parameters on a regular basis to keep the Blog Homepage always FRESH for readers.  The Random Function is very good for that and will likely be the one I use most often.

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Title: Messing With the Slider: BRAINSTORM!
Post by: RE on July 16, 2012, 03:38:28 AM
YOWZA!  I just figured out how I can implement Surly's Suggestion of Picking and Choosing individual Articles from the whole Database and Featuring them in the Slider!

This is a TOP SECRET Technique I will not reveal to anyone! LOL.

What it means is for instance I could take all the Waste Based Society Articles on a given day and Highlight them in the slider.  Or the Over the Road Series etc.

ULTIMATE SLIDER FLEXIBILITY NOW!

Late Night Internet Geeking Post.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: EndIsNigh on July 16, 2012, 04:08:26 AM
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Late Night Internet Geeking Post.

Haha.  Reminds me of my IT days!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on July 16, 2012, 06:00:19 AM
Helping to keep DD as part of your Goooooooooooood breakfast, one geek-tweak at a time!!
Title: Editorial Hell
Post by: RE on July 17, 2012, 03:54:34 AM
If you notice, not too much off my keyboard tonight in response to stuff written inside the Diner.

This because I am now immersed in Editorial and Writing HELL.  I first had Steve's article to reformat from EU and get up tonight, then I got an Email from Guy McPherson on an Update to his article, then I got a Freaking Tolstoy Length article from AB on Renewables to Edit Up for publication. AB does great in depth research into his chosen Specialty of Renewable Energy, but sadly his Spelling ain't so great and neither is his paragraphing. Besides that, Part III of Over The Road is now approaching 3000 Words and still got probably 1000 to go and that would be cutting it short. I still gotta find good Graphics for it also.

I haven't even had a chance to go over to see what is cooking on Piglet Central of Zero Hedge here since sitting down at the Laptop or even Google the latest in Natural Disasters and Plagues!

Meanwhile, most of the Mod Staff has Gone Walkabout likely because of all the Napalm here which I contribute to in no small part. WHD left in a Huff because he thought I was whacking on him when I was whacking on Watson and making Fun of myself. On the Forum End, regardless of Economic Articles I drop on for Discussion, what gets the most Response here is always either a Jesus Thread or an Alien Thread.

You think running a DOOM Board is EASY?  Think AGAIN!  I don't even get PAID for this, I PAY to do it!

Hopefully I wil be Rewarded in the Great Beyond for my Dedication to DOOM.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 17, 2012, 04:02:10 AM
 Quote the Dungeon Master "Hopefully I wil be Rewarded in the Great Beyond for my Dedication to DOOM".

How about a sweet spot in hell where there is no fire??   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Net Connection Issues
Post by: RE on July 17, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
I'm having nasty connectivity problems tonight through the cell phone,  so unless it improves I will be scarce tonight.  Not much Editing Hell work will get done.  I probably can finish Part III of over the Road though at least the Text.

Got the misunderstandingwith WDH cleared up, so that is the Good Newz for the day.

Bad Newz is more Corn Crop problems.

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Corn May Rally to Record $8.50 as Drought Deepens, Newedge Says (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-17/corn-may-rally-to-record-8-dot-50-as-drought-deepens-newedge-says)
 

By Luzi Ann Javier on July 17, 2012


Corn may rally to a record $8.50 a bushel as the worst U.S. drought in a generation cuts production in the world’s biggest exporter, driving global stockpiles lower, according to broker Newedge USA LLC.

The U.S. harvest may drop to 11.8 billion bushels (299.7 million metric tons), said Dan Cekander, director of grain research, who correctly predicted in March that soybeans would trade at the most expensive level relative to corn since 2010. Cekander’s output forecast is 29.75 million tons less than the latest prediction from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and would be the smallest crop since 2006-2007. Futures traded as high as $7.89 yesterday, near the $7.9925 record set in 2008.

The drought is baking farms from Arkansas to Ohio, reducing yields, after frosts followed by drought cut wheat harvests in the former Soviet Union, prompting the United Nations and the USDA to pare estimates for world grain harvests. Dimming corn- crop prospects in the U.S. may push global food costs higher, the Food & Agriculture Organization warned earlier this month.

“If it doesn’t start raining the rest of July, you’re going to have a significant shortfall here in production,” said Cekander, a fourth-generation farmer who grows corn and soybeans in Illinois, the second-largest U.S. grower of both crops. “That would put the 2012-2013 world corn carry-out below last year,” he said, referring to year-end stockpiles.

Corn for December delivery traded 0.3 percent higher at $7.735 a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade at 8:48 a.m. in Singapore, erasing an earlier drop of 1 percent. Since reaching the year’s low in June, the grain has rallied 53 percent. November-delivery soybeans, trading at $15.945 a bushel, reached $16.07 yesterday, the highest price since 2008.

Falling Yields

Corn yields will probably drop to 134.9 bushels an acre as crop conditions deteriorate, Cekander said in an interview yesterday, forecasting prices of $8.25 to $8.50 for December futures. That compares with USDA’s estimate of 146 bushels, and a forecast of 138 bushels from AccuWeather.com. Last year’s harvest was 12.36 billion bushels, with a yield of 147.2 bushels.

About 55 percent of the contiguous U.S. states were in moderate-to-extreme drought at the end of June, the highest percentage since December 1956, according to the National Climatic Data Center. Yield losses for corn are nearing levels last seen in a drought in 1988, according to Greg Grow, director of agribusiness at Archer Financial Services Inc. U.S. production slumped 31 percent that year, according to USDA data.

A rally in corn to $8.50 may trigger so-called rationing in demand from feed users, and yield losses could prompt the government to lower the mandate for using corn-based ethanol in fuel, Cekander said. “That would allow a reduction in corn grain for ethanol and free up some supply to get us by.”

Global corn production in 2012-2013 may total 905.2 million tons compared with demand of 900.5 million tons, according to the USDA, which forecasts world ending stockpiles of 134 million tons. The last time world demand exceeded output was 2010-2011.

Newedge was created in 2008 as a venture between Societe Generale SA (GLE) and Credit Agricole CIB and offers global brokerage services on listed and over-the-counter derivatives and securities.
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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 17, 2012, 10:43:35 PM
Quote RE "Got the misunderstandingwith WDH cleared up, so that is the Good Newz for the day."

Welcome back WHD, great to see you posting again.    :emthup:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Small Big-Brained Animals Dodge Extinction
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 19, 2012, 03:48:24 AM
"Large-brained animals may be less likely to go extinct in a changing world, perhaps because they can use their greater intelligence to adapt their behavior to new conditions, according to an analysis presented to a meeting of conservation biologists this week. Plotting brain size against body size creates a tidy curve. But some species have bigger or smaller brains than the curve would predict for their body size. And a bigger brain-to-body-size ratio usually means a smarter animal. The researchers looked at the sizes of such deviations from the curve and their relationships to the fates of two groups of mammalian species — 'palaeo' and 'modern'. Analysis of each group produced similar results: species that weighed less than 10 kilograms and had big brains for their body size were less likely to have gone extinct or be placed on the International Union for Conservation of Nature red list for endangered species. For species larger than about 10 kilograms, the advantage of having a large brain seems to be swamped by the disadvantage of being big — such as attracting the unwelcome attention of humans."
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/07/19/0158227/small-big-brained-animals-dodge-extinction (http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/07/19/0158227/small-big-brained-animals-dodge-extinction)   :exp-rolleyes:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant - Scandal At The IMF
Post by: JoeP on July 20, 2012, 03:24:40 PM
This is kinda funny to me - in a "scandalous" way.  From TD at Zero Hedge:


Scandal At The IMF: Senior Economist Resigns, Says "Ashamed To Have Had Any Association With Fund At All"
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/20/2012 14:58 -0400

The rats everywhere are now jumping furiously off the titanic, but few had taken the time to write a letter explaining in detail just how cracked and broken the hull really was. This has now changed, with the departure of Peter Doyle, formerly a division chief in the IMF’s European Department responsible for non-crisis countries and currently an adviser to the Fund. Not content with quietly slinking off the scandal ridden organization which has become the butt of all jokes in the international community, where humor about Lagarde's Louis Vuitton panhandling bag is as pervasive as punchlines about just how incompetent the organization is at actually doing its duty, Doyle has penned the following scathing letter which tears down every myth about the IMF: from its impartiality, to the selection process of its head, to its effectiveness. The letter also contains the following gem: "After twenty years of service, I am ashamed to have had any association with the Fund at all." Pretty much says it all. This is a scandal in the making, and one which may shake to the core the credibility of the IMF in the context of international organization.

European Department
Washington DC
June 18, 2012
 

To Mr. Shaalan, Dean of the IMF Executive Board

Today, I addressed the Executive Board for the last time—because I am leaving the Fund.

Accordingly, I wanted first to formally express my deep appreciation to the Swedish, Israeli, and Danish authorities with whom I have worked recently, as well as all others with whom I have worked earlier, for their extraordinary generosity towards me personally.

But I also wanted to take this opportunity to explain my departure.

After twenty years of service, I am ashamed to have had any association with the Fund at all.

This is not solely because of the incompetence that was partly chronicled by the OIA report into the global crisis and the TSR report on surveillance ahead of the Euro Area crisis. Moreso, it is because the substantive difficulties in these crises, as with others, were identified well in advance but were suppressed here. Given long gestation periods and protracted international decision-making processes to head off both these global challenges, timely sustained warnings were of the essence. So the failure of the Fund to issue them is a failing of the first order, even if such warnings may not have been heeded. The consequences include suffering (and risk of worse to come) for many including Greece, that the second global reserve currency is on the brink, and that the Fund for the past two years has been playing catch-up and reactive roles in the last-ditch efforts to save it.

Further, the proximate factors which produced these failings of IMF surveillance—analytical risk aversion, bilateral priority, and European bias—are, if anything, becoming more deeply entrenched, notwithstanding initiatives which purport to address them. This fact is most clear in regard to appointments for Managing Director which, over the past decade, have all-too-evidently been disastrous. Even the current incumbent is tainted, as neither her gender, integrity, or élan can make up for the fundamental illegitimacy of the selection process. In a hierarchical place like this, the implications of those choices filter directly to others in senior management, and via the appointments, fixed term contracts, and succession planning of senior staff, they go on to infuse the organization as a whole, overwhelming everything else. A handicapped Fund, subject to those proximate roots of surveillance failure, is what the Executive Board prefers. Would that I had understood twenty years ago that this would be the choice.

There are good salty people here. But this one is moving on. You might want to take care not to lose the others.

cc. Ms. Nemat Shafik
Mr. Stanley Fischer
Mr. Stephan Ingves
Mr. Benny Andersen
Mr. Alex Gibbs
Mr. Eric Meyer
Mr. Amit Friedman
Mr. Martin Holmberg
Mr. Reza Moghadam
Mr. Mark Plant
Mr. Brad McDonald

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/scandal-imf-senior-economist-resigns-says-ashamed-have-had-any-association-fund-all (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/scandal-imf-senior-economist-resigns-says-ashamed-have-had-any-association-fund-all)
Title: On Merging & Moving Posts & Threads
Post by: RE on July 26, 2012, 05:58:34 AM
Amongst a few other ADMIN moves I have made of late, I merged El G's Batman post on the El G UFR Forum into a similar thread being pursued in the Conspiracy Forum. From ElG's POV, his post DISAPPEARED! CENSORED!

This is a GREAT example from both sides of the line here on the Censorship issue on Forum software.

Once a Forum really gets rolling, MANY threads are begun all the time.  Even if ADMIN does not GAME it by moving stuff around, it often can be difficult to follow all the threads you contributed to in order to look for responses.  This problem happenned to me OFTEN while I SWAMPED the PeakOil Forum as a Troll on Steroids. Even before the Mods started migrating my posts, *I* Lost Track of what I posted because I was all over the fucking board, sometimes commenting on 10 or more threads in a given night of posting. Next day, *I* could not remember where I last posted something, and another 20 threads were started!  This because at the time, Peak Oil had MANY active commentariat all posting up new threads all the time.

You have to understand that on a Forum, whatever you post up has an extraordinarily SHORT Lifespan for readership, a day or two most usually. In really popular threads you might get more than that, but it is unusual.

Once a Forum really gets Rolling (more or less where the Diner is now), ADMIN can make anything you write DISAPPEAR without actually deleting it.  Simply by moving stuff around, YOU cannot find your OWN posts anymore! This can be done "kindly" for reasons of keeping threads on a given subject together, or "maliciously" simply to fuck with the commenter and make it impossible for him/her to comment coherently in a given thread.  This is the POWER of ADMIN, the POWER of GOD on a Forum.

Generally I try not to exercise this POWER too egregiously to fuck with the Commentariat. In the case of merging El G's Batman post, that was just to keep together that discussion.  In the case of splitting off Watson's 2012 Debunking Thread, I did that at Request of BOTH El G and Watson.

Mostly I hope you will find me tobe a Kindly Admin who does not fuck with the placement of your posting too much.  :icon_mrgreen:  Realize however that at any time with the Admin tools I can effectively make your posting disappear from all but the most assiduous searchers of the database.  When there are 100s of posts being put up everyday on a given database (near that now on the Diner on many days), if you do not follow in Real Time you are likely to miss much, and even your own stuff you will lose track of.

I have been at the Mod game for many years now, from BOTH sides of the line.  Free speech is important to me, so I never delete anything, and never BAN.  At the same time however, I DO have the Power of ADMIN.  The Power of GOD on a Forum.  I can and I will move posts around for whatever reason I deem necessary.  I try not to do it egregiously, but it is always a Judgement Call, obviously.

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Title: Re: On Merging & Moving Posts & Threads
Post by: RE on July 27, 2012, 04:43:41 AM
Amongst a few other ADMIN moves I have made of late, I merged El G's Batman post on the El G UFR Forum into a similar thread being pursued in the Conspiracy Forum. From ElG's POV, his post DISAPPEARED! CENSORED!

OK, now that I have instructed members of the Commentariat on how ADMIN (me in this case) can Fuck with YOUR posting, I am going to instruct you on how YOU can Fuck with ADMIN.  :icon_mrgreen:

We are running SMF software here, which has a lot more functionality than the Peak Oil Forum had.  One function is that you can always bring up all your OWN POSTS just by clicking on your member ID and then clicking on all the posts you put up.  This brings you back to everything you put up recently, and you then can use that to go back to threads to see if anybody else responded.  Also, if Admin (me) moves your post to some other thread or board, you can find it.

After that, you can get REALLY ANNOYING and repost through a Copy/Paste, forcing Admin to AGAIN have to migrate the copy/paste out of the thread and off to Never-Never Land.  Anybody who tries this tactic with me more than once though probably would in the end get BANNED for it.  The only thing I guarantee you the right to is to Post Up ONCE, not 10 times or more all over the board through Copy/Pastes.  I also do not guarantee Placement of your one post on a given topic, I get to make the Editorial Decision what Page it belongs on.  If it belongs in the Deepest Dungeon I can create on the Diner, that is where it GOES, Live With It!

In NO Situation under ANY circumstance can a Member of the Commentariat compete with ADMIN on a Forum.  A Good & Kindly Admin like I try to be doesn't fuck with your posting other than to move it about some. REALLY NASTY Admins will go INSIDE your posts and Edit or change them, that is pure EVIL.  Jimbo Quinn territory there.  Next level of Evil is to Ban you from the board and completely remove your abilityto respond at all. Ilargi Territory.  This level I also try not to breach as Admin. Where I draw the line is when I see threads being seriously disrupted by Napalm or Spamming Copy/Paste info.  That stuff probably gets moved to a Dungeon.

There are many other ways for Commentariat to creatively cause Admin Headaches, but I won't tell them to you.  I personally do not NEED those Headaches.  LOL.  If you want to try to figure them out, be my Guest.   Just remember, I BTDT, I KNOW the means already and wehn you cause me those kinds of Headaches, I WILL Retaliate with the Power of Admin.  The Power of GOD on a Forum.  Banning is LIGHT Punishment.  Its a whole lot WORSE if you get in a non-stop Battle with Admin. Play Nice, and we all are much Happier Puppies.  Get me PISSED OFF,  I GUARANTEE I will make you Regret the Day you ever signed onto Doomstead Diner.  That is the Power of Admin.

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Title: Everybody Knows...and Nobody CARES!
Post by: RE on July 30, 2012, 03:22:02 AM
Seems the Illuminati are having some trouble filling seats at the Zion Olympics in London:

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London Olympics: who should take the empty seats? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/london-2012-olympics-blog/2012/jul/30/london-olympics-empty-seats-open?newsfeed=true)

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Volunteers, local kids from schools, or first come fist served in a good old British queue - who should take the empty seats? Add your suggestion in this open thread

Empty seats in the spectator stands from day two of the Olympics. Who do you think should take them? Photograph: guardian.co.uk

After a number of Olympics events were seen to have empty seats in the spectator stands at the Games over the weekend, soldiers were drafted in to fill prime seating at the aquatics centre, gymnastics arena and basketball venue.

This came after pictures of athletes competing against banks of empty seats were beamed around the world on the first day of competition. Read the latest story on the issue here.

But who should fill the empty seats? Guardian readers have been tweets @gdnLondon2012 with their suggestions.

In the spirit of the opening ceremony many tweets mentioned giving the seats to children and schools:


Why are people NOT BUYING these seats?  Because NOBODY CARES who wins or loses these stupid athletic contests anymore, that's why!  EVERYBODY KNOWS its a stupid show where the main contest is to how to figure out how to beat the drug tests.

When I was a kid watching the 68 and 72 Olympics on late night TV, it was a proxy for the Soviet-FSofA battle for Cultural Supremacy. That battle is OVER, and WTF has the fastest Swimmers now or Fastest Runners or Strongest Men or Cutest Girls who Do Tricks no longer holds much meaning.

EVERYBODY KNOWS the Dice are Loaded, EVERYBODY KNOWS the Game is Rigged!  WTF wants to PAY for seats to see that?

http://www.youtube.com/v/GUfS8LyeUyM

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Justice for Sale
Post by: Golden Oxen on July 31, 2012, 07:17:27 AM
How big money is overwhelming judicial elections and corroding our confidence in the courts.

The hearing room of the Wisconsin Supreme Court could be a Beaux-Arts museum, exhibiting images of justice as idealized in America for centuries: ornate, dignified, above reproach. Light pours in through a huge leaded-glass skylight, radiating off veined white marble. Large murals set high off the floor dominate each wall, depicting the venerable sources of Wisconsin law—Roman, English, Native American, and federal. The one to the left of the room’s mahogany bench portrays King John of England reluctantly granting the Great Charter, or Magna Carta, which, in June 1215, ended his lawless seizure of nobles’ land and began an era of legal rights embodied in English, then American, common law.

Article 40 of the Magna Carta pledged, “To no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay right or justice.” But recently, in a string of expensive and increasingly contested elections, candidates to be justices of the Wisconsin Supreme Court have flouted the not-for-sale principle, demeaning the courtroom’s grandeur.

theamericanscholar.org/justice-for-sale/                             :icon_study:
Title: Paying Da Bills
Post by: RE on August 03, 2012, 02:11:45 AM
First of the Month, BILL PAYING DAY!  Yea, OK it's now the 3rd, but I did START this post on the 1st. Too much Bizness in getting up Blog Posts and the usual Mangement Issues to have enough time to write it all on the 1st.

This is the day for most of us in the FSofA Money Economy where we either GOT IT or we DON'T.  If you GOT IT, life is GOOD. Your CableTV stays on, your Iphone keeps working to Tweet on etc.  If you DON'T GOT IT on the First of the Month, TSHTF for you. All the stuff you take for GRANTED starts dropping off the map.  Your Phone stops working.  The lights and A/C inside your McMansion stop working.  The Banksters send you a Notice of Foreclosure (if you are lucky) and you begin to live in FEAR of the day the Gestapo will show up to evict you.  Da Local Goobermint adds to your PANIC when they threaten to CONDEMN your McMansion because you have not Paid Da Bills!.  Read more of William Hunter Duncan's story on Off the Grid in Mineapolis to understand that one a bit better.

Overall, I progressed through these stages long ago, and through combination of LUCK and SMARTS they don't worry me these days when the First of the Month hits too much.  I am Blessed these days with enough money to pay da bills. Has not always been true though, and getting out from under all of it took quite a few Adjustments  to my Lifestyle.  The main one was to learn to live REALLY CHEAP, at least by FSofA standards.

Cheap as I do live though by such Standards, on the First of the Month it's pretty remarkable to me the Quantity of Dollars I write Checks for.  Rent on the Cabin, the Cell Phone/Internet bill, Electric Bill are direct Checks or Internet Payments I make each month.  Every 6 months my Insurance Bill comes in for the Bugout Machines.  Every 4 months I send a check to my Storage Unit in Springfield, MO, which holds the Flotsam & Jetsam of my Life in the Age of Oil.  Photo Albums of RE the Kid, Wedding Pics from my Marriage, old Report Cards from School, ALL my Texbooks from College (I never sold any of them back to the Bookstore), empty Bottles of Grolsh Beer with the cool Resealable Tops I was going to Bottle Home Brew Beer in and the Jeep I left behind when I moved up to the Last Great Frontier also. Costs me $75/mo to keep all this JUNK in that Storage Unit, along with some decent Camping Gear also.

Anyhow, total all this stuff up, it probably is around $1200/mo give or take. This is BESIDES the money taken out of my Paychecks for Taxes and Med Insurance and does not include the Weekly Money spent filling the Gas Tank on my SUV Ford Explorer, which is the Main Vehicle I use while the Other Bugout Machines sit Idle in the Driveway with Full Tanks of GAS. It also of course does not include my weekly Food purchases, or the Beer or Cancer Sticks I Chain Smoke while writing either.  Those suckers up here are going at around $8 a PACK now.  I got it cut down to around 1/2 pack a day to keep this cost somewhat reasonable, but less than that I can't write!  When I was in College at Columbia, this Oral Fixation/Habit/Addiction/Slow Suicide only cost me $1 a Pack.

Anyhow, add in these ancillary costs, easy every month just to Live the RE Life of an Iconoclastic Collapse Writer on the Internet, I have to fork out about $2000/mo. Divide by 30 Days in the month, my Daily Living Cost is $66.66/day.  The NUMBER OF THE BEAST! LOL.

Contrast that one against the typical Daily Expenditure of a 3rd Worlder, who has to try to Make Do on $2 a DAY! HTF can he even buy a Pack of Cancerettes, forget EATING!?  If he HAD an SUV,how far could he DRIVE it on $2/day.  1/2 Gallon of Gas, maybe he gets 10 Miles out of this. If all you get is 10 miles out of the vehicle, you might as well Bicycle it. Even an out of shape person can Bicycle at 10mph.

Globally Speaking, my $66.66/day Cost of Living probably puts me in the Top 0.1% of the Population. In comparison to the REAL PIGMEN though, this doesn't even cover 10 seconds of flight time for the GulfstreamV Private Jet. It doesn't cover a THIMBLE FULL of Pinot Noir 1786.  It doesn't even cover a HAND JOB from a Ford Model! The COL for a real PIGMAN is SUBSTANTIAL!

No idea really what the AVERAGE COL should be for ALL Homo  Sapiens, but I am certainly willing to knock my COL down to $10/day as long as the Iluminati knock their Daily expenses down to that also. Together, if Global Pigmen knockdown to $10/day and "Middle Class" J6P also knocks down to that, we might buy enough time to implement some of AB's Pie in the Sky Renewable ideas.

Meanwhile though, this situation is just MASSIVE SKEWED, and it has to be corrected ACROSS THE BOARD.

My SOLUTION?  MAX $10/Day  Expenditure of Energy (that is the real cost in the end) for any Homo Sapiens on the Planet.

Hopefully, that buys enough time to avoid an ELE. I'll sacrifice the Cancerettes AND the Sam Adams to achieve that Goal.

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Title: Black Knights
Post by: RE on August 03, 2012, 11:28:38 PM
Although so far only briefly mentioned here in Market Flambe where this post really BELONGS and will probably eventually wind up, Diners are all likely aware of the "Software Glitch" that cost Knight Capital around $440M so far sorta admitted to, but like all these MF Global style Black Swans is probably a good deal more than that in the Shadow Banking area. I'm posting here in my potpourri Frostbite Falls Daily Rant because that's where I try to keep all my Rants together until they get sufficient response to deserve a thread of their own.

To review briefly for the clueless among you who do not read Zero Hedge every day, apparently on Wednesday Morning an Algo Went Wild and made innumerable bad trades costing Knight Capital some $440M so far, along with its Stock price dropping through the BASEMENT into close to Penny Stock territory now.

This is of course the "New Normal", where 1/2 $BILLION$ can VAPORIZE in 45 Minutes on the Super Computers running the NYSE. Stop yourself for a moment here and contemplate this.  Do you REALLY think such a "Software Glitch" occurs RANDOMLY?  These trading firms have been doing this stuff for years now, but only basically since around the time of the Flash Crash in 2010 have the markets been subjected to these"outta NOWHERE" catastrophes.

I will grant you that the MIT Ph.D. IT Wizards who built these programs have made them so exceedingly comlex even they don't know how they run too well anymore, but the idea an Algo could Run SO WILD on its own to lose to the tune of $440B in 45 minutes is just ABSURD!  Any trading progam has to have circuit breakers that kick in after a few trades to stop thiskind of thing from running wild.It is unreasoable to believe that RIGHT NOW when everybodyis facing ridiculous losses that the Algos are the cause and failing.

What is MORE LIKELY? Well, as a former Risk Analyst Pigman, I can say with reasonable assurance that somebodies at Knight Capitalwere aware that they were insolvent and decided to crash the system to cover their tracks overall. The profit to be made individually here if you have foreknowledge that the system will crash is astounding. That entire $440M LOSS on the books of Knight Capital is somebody else's PROFIT. A HUGE amount of money here was transferred from the books of Knight Capital to SOMEBODIES, and those somebodies likely were aware of what was going to go down before that 45 minute "Trading Glitch" ever occurred.

Knight Capital itself is out there seeking a "Buyer", and eventually here one wayor the other one will be found.  Probably through the Bankrupty Court, and what the Buyer will Buy is a few of the same Pigmen who engineered this collapse in the first place, expert "smart" traders and IT Specialists who know how to program up this sort of stuff.  The $440M in "Losses"that  Knight Capital racked up here will be placed on the books of Pension Plans  of J6P. 10,000 J6Ps will lose their Life Savings, and100 Pigmen will Party Hearty with $5000/night Hookers in the Hamptons.

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According to the MSM, even according to Zero Hedge, this all is occuring because of "Software Glitches". Why do I have trouble believing that?  The money is not VAPORIZING, it is being TRANSFERRED THROUGH THEFT!

For manyif not most people, this does not really matter, because probably half the working population has no savings at all, their only HOPE in their declining years is the Social Security they expect to get.  When these Glitches Thefts rob SS and all are left destitute,perhaps J6P will finally WAKE UP to what is occurring here.

Then we get to see Eternal Justice in ACTION.  THEN the Heads Roll Like Bowling Balls!  Coming Soonto a Theatre Near You!

RE

Knight Capital heads into make-or-break weekend (http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/04/us-knightcapital-loss-idINBRE8710PG20120804)

Sat Aug 4, 2012 8:26am IST
 
(Reuters) - Knight Capital Group Inc's future remained in flux as it headed into the weekend trying to clinch a rescue deal, but there was skepticism on Wall Street that one of the largest U.S. equities trading firms would find a suitor before Monday.
 
Knight was plunged into crisis on Wednesday when it lost $440 million, most of its capital, after a software glitch caused it to make thousands of unintended trades on about 140 stocks.

Knight said on Thursday it was actively pursuing strategic and financing alternatives.

Early on Friday unconfirmed reports that the company had received a line of credit led to a partial recovery in its stock price and helped persuade some major clients to resume trading with the firm.

At least one private equity firm, TA Associates, signed a non-disclosure agreement with the firm, a signal that it was looking at Knight's books for a potential acquisition or investment. TA Associates was not immediately available for comment. Knight did not respond to calls on Friday.

Sources familiar with the plans of some other private equity firms said they would be looking at Knight as well.

But sources at some other U.S. private equity firms that are active in the financial services sector said they had been approached by Knight's advisers Sandler O'Neill but decided not to pursue a deal with the firm.

"To go in fast and take a lot of risk - usually you do that when the terms and the price are safe," said a senior private equity executive whose firm was approached but decided not to pursue Knight.

One difficulty for bidders would be estimating the size of potential legal liability that the company could face in any shareholder lawsuits or enforcement action by regulators. With little time to investigate the reasons for the trading problems, it could be hard to assess the risks before making a deal.

A trader at Knight, asked if he knew who was responsible for the glitch, said: "Everyone was like, not to say pointing fingers at each other, but like 'Who's doing this?' kind of atmosphere. ‘It ain't me. I'm on the program desk. It's not me, I can assure you of that,'" the trader said.

The top U.S. securities regulator said government lawyers are trying to determine if Knight violated a new rule designed to protect the markets from rogue algorithmic computer trading programs.

The Securities and Exchange Commission's market access rule requires brokers to put in place risk control systems to prevent the execution of erroneous trades or orders that exceed pre-set credit or capital thresholds.

In particular, the SEC said it is looking at whether the software used by Knight was properly tested before it was put into use.

Shares of Knight, the nation's largest retail market maker of U.S. stocks, closed up 57 percent at $4.05 on Friday, still well below their $10.33 closing price on Tuesday, the day before the trading debacle occurred.

For a market already suspicious that the system might be fundamentally broken after 2010's "Flash Crash" and the botched Facebook IPO in May, the troubles at Knight have been another blow to investor confidence.

Other Wall Street banks and brokers are poring over their trading systems and rethinking the way they test software to make sure they don't become the next Knight.

Executives at the firms said it was a wake-up call that could prompt them to improve risk management controls. However, at a time when Wall Street is cutting costs, spending money on better systems to test software and manage risk could be an expensive proposition.

"We want to make sure that what happened to Knight doesn't happen to us," said the head of one investment bank.

In a letter to clients, Knight's futures division confirmed that customers' funds for commodity futures trading accounts "are segregated and kept separate from the funds of Knight" as required by regulators.

MOVING QUICKLY

Knight's predicament has become all-too familiar in recent years. During the financial crisis of 2008, several major financial services firms, including Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, fought for their survival over a weekend. Bear was rescued and Lehman went under by Monday morning.

More recently, MF Global frantically tried to find a white knight over a weekend and failed, filing for bankruptcy.

Knight faces some of the same challenges in finding a savior over a short period of time. Any buyer will need the ability to move quickly and put up enough capital to make sure that Knight remains a reliable counterparty to its trading partners, financial services bankers and private equity executives said.

A buyer would also have to get comfortable with Knight's financials, and perhaps more importantly its technology, and be sure that the glitch does not happen again, the bankers and executives said.

One private equity investor said he suspects that eventually Knight will get broken up. "Knight has many more businesses than just the equity market making business. Some are good and some are not," he said. "I'm not sure who would want them all."

The company was also in talks with potential buyers, including trading firm RJ O'Brien, to sell its futures brokerage unit, the New York Times reported on its website. RJ O'Brien declined to comment.

SOME RESPITE

Knight got some respite on Friday after the Wall Street Journal reported the company had told brokers it had obtained a line of credit. A line of credit could address concerns that have surfaced as to whether Knight has adequate capital to maintain its trading.

The company would not confirm that report, however. Sources at other firms said that they had heard that news only from reporters.

Then several major customers, including retail brokerages TD Ameritrade and Scottrade, said they had resumed routing trades to Knight, which in 2011 was the largest U.S. retail market maker.

"After considerable review and discussion, we are resuming our order routing relationship with Knight," TD Ameritrade said in a statement.

Earlier on Friday, mutual fund giant Vanguard Group said it was still not routing orders through Knight, and according to people familiar with the situation, Fidelity Investments' brokerage also was continuing to avoid routing customer orders to Knight. Knight's trading volumes remained below usual levels on Friday.

For example, through Tuesday of this year, Knight accounted for 20 percent of the market making activity in shares of Apple, one of the most actively traded stocks on a daily basis. By midday Friday, Knight was the market maker for just 2 percent of the share volume, according to data from Thomson Reuters Autex, though market makers may not be reporting all trade data.

"A lot of buyside firms have got us on hold for now," said one Knight trader, who did not give his name because he is not authorized to speak to the press.

Market makers such as Knight buy and sell shares for clients and provide liquidity to the equity market by stepping in to buy and sell to insure orderly, smooth activity. The trading snafus have revived questions about the integrity of the equity markets.

'QUIET' ATMOSPHERE AT KNIGHT

Outside Knight Capital's Jersey City offices, security warned reporters not to harass employees. Police officers were also present, and reporters were told to stay off the company's property.

One staffer, toting a set of golf clubs, said, "I don't want to care," when asked how things were going.

Another called the atmosphere at work "quiet, very quiet."

One trader said staff had received no announcements from management as yet but described the atmosphere as "definitely better than yesterday," with people trying to carry on as usual.

But he noted the company's future remained in doubt.

"I thought by this morning we might have heard something. I think a lot of this stuff might get done over the weekend, maybe Monday the latest," he said.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on August 03, 2012, 11:43:27 PM
Quote RE "This is of course the "New Normal", where 1/2 $BILLION$ can VAPORIZE in 45 Minutes on the Super Computers running the NYSE. Stop yourself for a moment here and contemplate this.  Do you REALLY think such a "Software Glitch" occurs RANDOMLY?  These trading firms have been doing this stuff for years now, but only basically since around the time of the Flash Crash in 2010 have the markets been subjected to these"outta NOWHERE" catastrophes."

Of course it does not happen RANDOMLY.

Might I add that as well as stealing the money they go short the stock in their Cayman Islands hedge funds and to really turn your stomach sell call options and buy puts also. It is called a Double Screwing. They are stealing billions and building mansions in hideaways with massive wine cellars and private jets for weekend getaways. Mary Shapiro of the SEC is their watchdog. Barney Feif watching over the Mexican Drug cartel!   :'(
Title: Poker Players Get Hosed- EVERYBODY KNOWS!
Post by: RE on August 04, 2012, 11:16:40 PM
Watson posted an article over on TAE about "Black Friday" for the Online Poker Players (http://theautomaticearth.org/Finance/lessons-from-the-full-tilt-ponzi.html), when 3 different wbesites offering Online Gambling in the Game of Poker got shut down by Da Feds.   Apparently they were running the typical Ponzi Scheme and the principles involved Made-Off with $100sM of Innocent Poker Player's Money.

Now, first off WTF anyone would believe a Poker Playing Website was being run HONESTLY is beyond my comprehension.  The game is NOTORIOUS for Cheaters and besides that the whole Gambling Industry from Vegas to Atlantic City has always been full of Crooks and Thieves, from Bugsy Malone to Donald Trump.  Somehow because it is being run Online you figure this will be any different?

Next is the whole issue of depositing "your" money in somebody ELSE's Bank Account.  Look, if I asked YOU to deposit YOUR MONEY in the new Doomstead Diner Bank, would you TRUST ME?  WTF do these Poker Player TRUST some Geeks who set up a Poker Playing website? The possibilities for Fraud are ENDLESS.  Easily enough the Programmers could set up Back Doors into the software so the deals are not TRULY Random and play the game themselves KNOWING  the cards everyone else holds!

The analogy holds true of course for the Online Stock Market trading as well, which is just Poker on a Bigger Scale really.  Anybody who has access to the data stream first even by nano-seconds can front run the market if they write a program which collects and analyzes the data quick enough, aka HFT Algos.  You are in an evenBETTER Position to manipulate the market if you have some Inside Information that somebody is going to do a wholesale dump of some stock on the market or change the LIE-BOR rate, whatever.

http://www.youtube.com/v/GUfS8LyeUyM
EVERYBODY KNOWS the Dice are Loaded!  EVERYBODY KNOWS the Game is Rigged! Nevertheless, OVER AND OVER again people deposit their money into Accounts OTHER people who they have NEVER EVEN MET control, on the assumption I guess that "They MUST be Honest if they run such a Big and Successful Website that Federal Regulators keep a close eye on" or some such stupid rationale.

Now, sadly enough to operate at all inside the Industrial Paradigm, you just about HAVE to have a Checking Account to Pay Da Bills.  If you wanna try to do Online commerce of some type, you just about gotta have a Pay Pal account as well.  However, the people running your Checking Account at the local Bank nor the people running Pay Pal are any more likely to be Scrupulously Honest than the folks who were running the Poker Sites, MF Global or Knight Capital either.

Your "money" such as it is only is sorta "safe" when it is in your direct possession, and even then it's not real safe. Da Goobermint could on any day declare the Green Dollars you have in the Bank of Sealy are no longer valid and only Red Dollars are valid as Legal Tender.  Gold can be declared Illegal to Possess or Taxed on transactions made with it at 99%, whatever.

Anyhow, anybody who puts large amounts of money into ANY of these accounts is just ASKING to get raped.  You are the Cheerleader wearing a Miniskirt and Midi TShirt with your Belly Button showing who hangs out in the Locker Room of the Football Team.

Know what you should know, what EVERYBODY KNOWS. The Dice are Loaded, the Game is Rigged and YOU will be the one to get Hosed if you place your TRUST and your MONEY into the hands of THIEVES.  They ALL are. Anyone in the Bizness of Banking or Brokering or Gambling is a THIEF.  ALL OF THEM. Its how they make so much MONEY, the Old Fashioned Way.

THEY STEAL IT.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: CodeyellowPillMonkeyagain on August 06, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
 :-\

Ive been following the Oklahoma fires from here in Texas all week-end.  Several of them are considered arson.  Im posting today to tell you that they seem to be getting closer to Cushing.  I may or may not have a doomstead standing.  By all accounts so far I believe it still stands, however, the fires continue to flare up.  Facebook sites of Volunteer Fire Depts and a page that was set up as a clearing house has been the most helpful sites.  To make matters worse, the alleged (caught red handed) looter who stole a wide screen TV out of a house appears to be the grown version of the sweetest redheaded boy my son was friends with many years ago.  And so it goes out in the country.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on August 06, 2012, 03:38:43 PM
:-\

Ive been following the Oklahoma fires from here in Texas all week-end.  Several of them are considered arson.  Im posting today to tell you that they seem to be getting closer to Cushing.  I may or may not have a doomstead standing.  By all accounts so far I believe it still stands, however, the fires continue to flare up.  Facebook sites of Volunteer Fire Depts and a page that was set up as a clearing house has been the most helpful sites.  To make matters worse, the alleged (caught red handed) looter who stole a wide screen TV out of a house appears to be the grown version of the sweetest redheaded boy my son was friends with many years ago.  And so it goes out in the country.

Photos from Cushing

(http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2011/09/05/21/07/1oLU0y.St.4.jpg)

(http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/06/03/00/1585186/5/628x471.jpg)

Keep us updated CYPM, and good luck!

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Title: Obsolescence of the Obsolete
Post by: RE on August 09, 2012, 01:55:41 AM
You may be wondering why I have been jacking in quite a few of the Articles from Cross Posting Bloggers here over the last few days rather than my usual stream of Keyboard Diahreah on the Blog.

Reason is partially because the Cross Posters have put up a LOT of good shit lately, Brandon Smith in particular from Alt-Market there.  Other reason though is I am keyboarding out an OPUS now around 3000 Words and may get to 4000 before its finished unless I go back and edit it down some.  The Title "Obsolescence of the Obsolete" may give you some HINT as to the content of the article, I won't TEASE you more than that here...OK wait NIX that idea!  I will TEASE with one Paragraph from the article.   :icon_mrgreen:

Quote from: RE
What is clear here is that the number of people concerning themselves with Industrial Civilization Collapse is quite rapidly on the increase, this is no longer a "Wingnut" idea in the Blogosphere, in fact it is getting downright Mainstream these days. Ph.D Academic types all weighing in with their perceptions of the oncoming DOOM.   Many if not most of these Bloggers though tend to hold onto the concept that through Green Technologies and other Technofixes in the Energy and Food departments, after a period of some struggle we will reformulate the Civilization and operate with more or less the same kind of Toys we have now.  If not Oil Powered Carz, we will have Electric powered ones.  We'll still use Money, we'll still have Globalism, and in fact it will get ever worse as the Police State grows out of control and every aspect of our lives and freedoms are dictated from Above by a small cabal of the Uber Rich. That is one commonly held perspective anyhow.

Anyhow, before this gets up, I got another one of mine I souped up from a post I made which got no commentary, and another one of Brandon's posts may go up AND there is good action on OFW I might repost as well before it gets done.  Still, its CORE to Diner Philosophy and why this Blog Forum exists, so I am Promoting it here in Advance of Opening Day.  :icon_mrgreen:

Coming Soon to a Theatre Near You.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on August 09, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
Nobody, Peter, Ross, and other missing regulars at the Diner, you must be busy, but how about dropping in and saying hello to let us know you are all well.       GO
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on August 09, 2012, 10:07:42 PM
RE,

Thanks for the shout out. And as to that missing 440 million, I'm sure all of Wall Street is aware the whole fucking thing is likely to come down in late 2012 or early 2013, so I would expect a great many more "glitches" like this, though they are going to have to get more creative with their excuses. Or not. I just talked to a friend who is a high level tech at one of the BIG 5 banks, and he didn't even know who John Corzine is. These guys have near free reign to steal whatever they like at this point. A few hundred million would buy one hell of a bug out shelter, like a whole island and infrastructure, I suppose. Though you are probably right, they'll be more like, "I spent more on my prostitute than you did." If there are food shortages, though, a bugout complete with uber-whores doesn't do much good if you're swinging in the wind, hanging from a light pole.
Title: NEW DINER FEATURES! Newz Channel Smorgasbord, Library & Book Reviews
Post by: RE on August 14, 2012, 12:43:56 AM
Did a bunch of Board Management Stuff tonight, and added some New Features.

Big One is I created a new board specifically for the Newz Channels of Diner NewzHounds.  Agelbert and Joe's Newz Channels are now out of the Kitchen Sink and in the Newz Channel Smorgasboard.  It has Prominent Placement in the Main Index, directly below the Kitchen Sink.

I encourage any Regular Diners to create their own Newz Channels on this board.  Golden Oxen in particular I think should create a Newz Channel for all his Gold Bug stories.  :icon_mrgreen:

I also added a Diner Library Thread to the Kitchen Sink Stickys, for all the material that gets dropped into our Media Files.  I started the Library a while back, but neglected to create a Thread around it.  You'll find links there right now to two of David Korowicz papers on the collapse.  Add other good material to the Library as you see fit.

Finally, I added a Diner Book Review Thread also to the Kitchen Sink Stickys, for reviews of the Books being published now a mile a minute with every Pundit from Podunk to Timbuktu's take on the Collapse.

Enjoy the New Diner Features!

Doomstead Diner.  #1 for DOOM on the Net!

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Title: Washing the Dishes in the Kitchen Sink
Post by: RE on August 15, 2012, 12:51:00 AM
Big One is I created a new board specifically for the Newz Channels of Diner NewzHounds.  Agelbert and Joe's Newz Channels are now out of the Kitchen Sink and in the Newz Channel Smorgasboard.  It has Prominent Placement in the Main Index, directly below the Kitchen Sink.

I encourage any Regular Diners to create their own Newz Channels on this board.  Golden Oxen in particular I think should create a Newz Channel for all his Gold Bug stories.  :icon_mrgreen:

I did some Clean Up in the Kitchen Sink tonight, taking a whole bunch of Agelbert, Joe and GOs posts in the Kitchen Sink which got less than 3 responses and moved them into their Newz Channels.  Also moved a couple of mine with low response into the Frostbite Falls Daily Rant.

Kitchen Sink Index looks much Cleaner now, plus it helps to Flesh Out the Newz Channels with a few more posts, making them interesting Collected Reading.

I am really liking this new Organization myself.  Hope the rest of you Diners are happy with it also.  If not, Dem's Da Breaks eh?

ADMIN, Power of GOD on a Forum.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on August 15, 2012, 02:54:28 AM
Quote RE " Golden Oxen in particular I think should create a Newz Channel for all his Gold Bug stories.  :icon_mrgreen:

I thought I had done so with my Gold & Silver News Thread started way back.
Also have started posting  articles I would like to share with Diner members under the GO Newz thread which you started for me.
If you do not  consider them adequate please advise.  GO
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on August 15, 2012, 03:04:15 AM
Quote RE " The ONLY discussion important now in the Nuke department is getting all these reactors Decommissioned and getting the spent fuel sequestered off far enough away where it won't turn vast areas into radioactive Dead Zones. If/When the Grid Collapses, in fairly short order the Spent Fuel Ponds by these plants will all be Fuk-U-Shimas.  No electricity, no way to cool the ponds.  We'll be damn lucky if  a few dozen don't go Super Critical.  Any Debt Money we got left to spend now needs to be directed at CLEANING UP THE NUKE POISON already created.  Get that done, THEN you can talk about building some new ones if you can truly come up with "Clean Nuke Thorium", which I seriously doubt.  Don't clean it up, we'll all be Turning Japanese in NO TIME."

The friggin things have got to go. It is simple and understandable to anyone that isn't retarded.

My only question is where are the Illuminati on this one. Shouldn't they be leading the shutdown effort? This has to frighten all humans in my opinion, even them.    :dontknow:
Title: RE's Obsessive-Compulsive Database Disorder (OCDD)
Post by: RE on August 15, 2012, 04:05:53 AM

I thought I had done so with my Gold & Silver News Thread started way back.
Also have started posting  articles I would like to share with Diner members under the GO Newz thread which you started for me.
If you do not  consider them adequate please advise.  GO

I left the Gold & Silver Newz Thread Independent because it has plenty of responses as well as your own posts.  Left it also at the Economics Table of the Diner where it belongs.  You should continue to drop your Gold Bug stories there rather than in your Newz Channel.

I made the Newz Channels for the Potpourri of OTHER stories you Newz Hounds Dig Up.  I'm also trying to do some Categorization out of them, I made a new Thread for Uber Excesses of the Uber Rich and took some stories and posts from Agelbert's Newz Channel and from Joe's and consolidated them into that thread.

Newz Hounds should ALSO try to keep track of the Large Topic threads I create, like all Tornado stories, all Flood Stories, all Drought Stories blah blah.  Rather than your own Newz Channel, try to place those stories in the appropriate Topic thread.  The Newz Channels are Potpourri stuff not easily categorizable.

I am an Obsessive Database Freak, I like to keep things ORGANIZED for searching down.  This may cause you some Grief if you don't keep track of what I do daily to clean up the database.  I try to post redirects and Update when I do a big one like the last cupla days,  but do not always do that because I have to then clean them up also later.

Otherwise, no issues, you are digging up good stuff, Keep on Trucking!  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Sunday Morning Coffee Diner Thoughts
Post by: Golden Oxen on August 19, 2012, 04:52:25 AM
Has anyone noticed how we finally stopped all the chatter about TAE. I guess we have come at age at the Diner. There was a time we watched their every move and utterance

I wish Ashvin, Karpatok, Nobody and of course Ross would resume posting. I for one miss their commentary and wish they would drop in and say hello and let us know all is well. They have been MIA for quite a while.

Looking forward to El G's next posting. He sure has a way of stirring up interesting commentary.

It was great to see Peter posting again, looking forward to the continuation of his last superb posting.
                                                                                                                                                     :coffee:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on August 19, 2012, 05:28:07 AM
GO, agreed in every particular.

Before DD, I dropped in on TAE every so often to read, but never to post. It was only when Ashvin posted an adaptation and digest of "The Orkin Man" screed that I registered to post, a career cut short by the antics of resident pit bull Ilargi. I dealt with abuse-by-admin at TBP, and life is just too short to play those games.

At least it is for me...

Sometimes I too wonder at the comrades that don't post anymore. You always hope that it isn't something that we said here. More likely, life intervenes. Here's hoping we see more of them in the future.

From the inception, I have felt that there was something special about this site. It started with the magnificent architecture created by Peter, who created a virtual Versailles for a handful of refugees from the old Yahoo Reverse Engineering board to inhabit. Informed by the wit and fulsomeness of The Proprietor, many others have shown up from TAE, EU and other boards. And perhaps a few will find it via the FB site as well. But I find a range of subject matter here, and an intelligence and thoughtfulness among the postings, and comments, that is evident in few other sites.

Ultimately we are called to be true to ourselves. A first rate Diner is preferable to me than any other virtual community I have found.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on August 19, 2012, 06:00:57 AM
Quote Surly  "Sometimes I too wonder at the comrades that don't post anymore. You always hope that it isn't something that we said here. More likely, life intervenes. Here's hoping we see more of them in the future."

I get the same feeling Surly, the hope that it wasn't something we said.

I worry most about Ashvin in that regard. Felt the onslaught against him was very ugly and uncalled for. He is a very gifted and intelligent member, especially for his young years, and I get the feeling we took him for granted. Let's hope everyone returns soon.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Sunday Morning Coffee Diner Thoughts
Post by: RE on August 19, 2012, 08:43:56 AM
Has anyone noticed how we finally stopped all the chatter about TAE. I guess we have come at age at the Diner. There was a time we watched their every move and utterance

In large part the reason for that was the Cross Posting agreement I made with Watson before Ilargi returned from Globe Trotting.  It was also the early days of the Diner and things were pretty slow here, so I was participating heavily in the commentary there.  Also, it was during the time El G was making his Exit from TAE, ending up here to pursue the Alien Connection.  :icon_mrgreen:  For a short time we were operating as Sibling Sites, but alas with the return of Ilargi that did not last long.

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I wish Ashvin, Karpatok, Nobody and of course Ross would resume posting. I for one miss their commentary and wish they would drop in and say hello and let us know all is well. They have been MIA for quite a while.

Ross got upset over the Napalm that got thrown over the Payday Loan deal and I think never recovered from that.   He dropped back in after briefly with the idea of setting up a Forum operating by Marquis de Queensbury Rules, but he didn't follow through with that.

Nobody never was comfortable with the Mansion, she liked the small and congenial Apartment over on Reverse Engineering.  Karpatok seemed to mainly be interested in Napalming Watson, so when Watson disappeared, so did she.

Watson't disappearance is a little different and more "mysterious".  He told me many times he would never drop out, and he is clearly a Blogging adict like me.  I am going to speculate here that Ilargi gave him an Ultimatum and told him to stop participating on DD.

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Looking forward to El G's next posting. He sure has a way of stirring up interesting commentary.

El G seems to come and go randomly.  He just made a move to Mejico also I believe which may be impacting on his posting.

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It was great to see Peter posting again, looking forward to the continuation of his last superb posting.
                                                                                                                                                     :coffee:

Yea, I am hoping Peter will pick it back up again as well.  I'd particularly like some more Hydroponics articles for the Blog.  The Food Production area is pretty thin in our Blog articles, and as noted in my visit to PreparednessPro, demographically that seems to attract more females.  Time will tell on this one.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on August 19, 2012, 09:06:29 AM
I find a range of subject matter here, and an intelligence and thoughtfulness among the postings, and comments, that is evident in few other sites.

That is a strong point for the Diner, many different dishes and quality cooking as well, all in lovely surroundings.  Like a 5-Star Restaurant more than a Diner really.  Not serving too many Diners though, considering the SIZE of the Restaurant.  I STILL feel like we are Rattling around int he Mansion that Peter Built.

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Ultimately we are called to be true to ourselves. A first rate Diner is preferable to me than any other virtual community I have found.

I like a First Rate Diner also.  I just want more First Rate Diners.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Free Shit
Post by: Golden Oxen on August 20, 2012, 06:48:09 AM

FREE SHIT

19 comments

Posted on 19th August 2012 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

Free shit, Free stuff

Hat tip to SSS for sending to me. I replaced the word stuff with shit. I also disagree with the conclusion that we can change this on November 6. All we can change on November 6 is which group of people will get more free shit.

 
CAN THE USA SURVIVE GIVEN THE FOLLOWING?

 

The folks who are getting free shit, don’t like the folks who are paying for the free shit, because the folks who are paying for the free shit can no longer afford to pay for both the free shit and their own shit.

The folks who are paying for the free shit want the free shit to stop, and the folks who are getting the free shit want even more free shit on top of the free shit they are already getting!

Now… The people who are forcing the people to pay for the free shit have told the people who are RECEIVING the free shit, that the people who are PAYING for the free shit, are being mean, prejudiced.

So… The people who are GETTING the free shit have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free shit by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free shit, and giving them the free shit in the first place.

We have let the free shit giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free shit than paying for the free shit.

http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=39201 (http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=39201)                   :icon_study:
Title: Apple Crushes Samsung in Copyright War
Post by: RE on August 27, 2012, 04:01:57 PM
In honor of Apple's sweeping victory over Samsung in the Smart Phone/Tablet War, I am Featuring Clan of the Copyright Bear (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/04/20/clan-of-the-copyright-bear/) again on the Blog Front Page.

This affects not only Samsung but Google as well with their Android OpSys, and Microsoft who is just about to jump into the market with a new Tablet.  Apple is also seeking now to Ban sales of all these Samsung products here in the FSofA.  I actually own a Galaxe 7" Tablet which is smaller and easier to tote around than an I-pad.  if you want one, better buy today.

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Title: Alaska Stockpiling Food
Post by: RE on August 28, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
A week of Food for 40,000 people isn't much, but it's more than most other states are Prepped with.

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Remote Alaska to stockpile food, just in case (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57502084/remote-alaska-to-stockpile-food-just-in-case/)

JUNEAU, Alaska — Alaska Gov. Sean Parnell says a major earthquake or volcanic eruption could leave the state's 720,000 residents cut off from supply lines, and he's taking steps to ensure there's adequate food.

Parnell says he's moving forward with plans to build warehouses full of emergency food in Anchorage and Fairbanks.

Construction of the storage facilities will begin this fall. The goal is to have enough food to feed 40,000 people for up to a week.

Alaska's emergency management director John Madden says Alaska's readiness is better than it once was, and it continues to improve.

Delivery of food stockpiles would be staggered over three years. Food would be replaced after it's used or expired.

The project has a budget of around $4 million.
Title: Rogue Economics
Post by: RE on September 03, 2012, 03:16:37 PM
Recently one of the Newby Commenters asked me for a list of articles to get up to speed on Diner Theory.

I have now added to the Blog Homepage a "Top Ten" Economics articles written by yours truly for newbies to read as a start without having to cruise through every last article on the blog, which is nearing 200 now I think.

You'll find the new list on the right side Menu Bar scrolling through the Top Ten.

I labelled it "Rogue Economics" in honor of my first RE Nom de Plume on Peak Oil, Rogue Economist.  I'm still Rogue Economist on Zero Hedge, though I just about never comment there anymore.

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Title: Get Your OWN Scrollarama on the Diner!
Post by: RE on September 04, 2012, 03:15:51 AM
In addition to the Scrollarama featuring my Top 10 Economics Articles, I added another Scrollarama which lists out the 10 most recent Articles dropped on the Diner Blog.

I am considering adding additional Scrollaramas, querying out the Articles of Specific Diner Authors and Cross Posting Bloggers.

To be Eligible for a Scrollarama, you have to be a regular participant in Diner Discussions as well as a Contributing Author to the Blog.  Alternatively, you can Bribe me. LOL.

Having your own Scrollarama on the Diner Blog brings your material up in front of all the Readers of the Diner Blog anytime they read a Diner Article.  The Scrollaramas show up on the right hand Menu Bar in every article and Link to your articles on the Diner Blog.  From there, the reader finds Links to your Blog if you have your own, or your Newz Channel here inside the Diner.

Figuring out these Widgets is a pain in the ass without Peter, but while I am no Coding Wizard like he is, I am no dummy either.  Just keep your Fingers Crossed I don't Crash the Diner fucking around with this stuff. LOL.

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Title: The Montpelier Manifesto
Post by: RE on September 05, 2012, 02:17:35 AM
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“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive… it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government… as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness,” says the Declaration of Independence. Alteration and abolishment include the right to disband, or subdivide, or withdraw, or create a new government.

A few Aging Academics, Professors Emeriti get together over a weekend at a Retreat in the Woods of Vermont and come up with their version of a Modern Declaration of Independence.

They came up with a pretty good List of Grievances also, though somehow as long as those SNAP cards still work, said list of Grievances isn't enough to get more than a Handful of OWSers making a Nuisance of themselves for the Gestapo outnumbering them 10:1 at the RNC or DNC.

To Sum Up this list of Grievances, said Grizzled Ph.Ds suggest the following:

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Let us therefore consider ways peaceably to withdraw from the American Empire by (1) regaining control of our lives from big government, big business, big cities, big schools, and big computer networks; (2) relearning how to take care of ourselves by decentralizing, downsizing, localizing, demilitarizing, simplifying, and humanizing our lives; and (3) providing democratic and human-scale self-government at those local and regional levels most likely to effect our safety and happiness.

What is MISSING here?   I'll tell you what is MISSING.

HOW?

How do we "regain control of our lives" from Big Goobermint and Big Bizness when together they control ALL the conduits a population as large as our current requires to live?  Not only regain this control, but do it PEACEFULLY too!  What a GREAT IDEA.  It takes SEVERAL OLD Ph.D.s working together by Candlelight in the wee hours in a Montpelier Log Cabin to come up with such an Original Idea!

Has anyone else here noticed how many really OLD GUYS are NOW stepping up to the Plate here to wag Fingers at the decaying Empire?

Much as I agree with Steve Lendman, he's in his 70s now easy.  Where was he during the RAYGUNS years?  John Pilger too, brave Aussie War Correspondent in Vietnam and Civil Rights activist and Filmmaker and present in the same ROOM with Bobby Kennedy when he got Blown Away, but gee I never heard of the guy before the last month when I went tooling around looking for good Blog material to cross post.

The below Manifesto comes off the pages of Global Research, which itself is apparently managed by a few Aging Academic Socialists, who have spent the last 40 years inside comfortable Offices, their paychecks funded by innumerable Student Loans.  They weren't complaining too loud back in the 80s or even 90s.

This is just of course the Hindsight of 20-20 Vision of Libtards from the LEFT, there are at least as many Aging Conservatards with their own set of Complaints about Big Goobermint, Taxes, endless Debt issuance and the rest of the Tea Bagger agenda.  Said folks were pretty fucking QUIET when Bush I and Dubya were running up the debt though.  NOW they are complaining about it?

If all these PH.D's from BOTH sides of the aisle were so fucking SMART, WTF didn't they start COMPLAINING about this stuff a bit more LOUDLY when it might have actually DONE SOME GOOD?  I'll tell you why.

Because on BOTH sides of this line, all these aging Academics did quite well during the Gravy Train years.  Nice Cushy Positions at Elite or State run Universities, hit a few Conferences each year, publish a few papers, bang a few Coeds, why rock that boat?

NOW they are all up in arms waving around their hands, writing Manifestos and Blogging themselves silly in some cases.  Some of these Oldsters write more every day than *I* do!  I admit myself to not making a lot of NOISE until 2008 or so, but I got an excuse that I was basically CLUELESS out there living the life of the Working Man.  These guys had all the time in the WORLD to Ponder on the Great Questions of Human Existence and take a peak at how the Monetary system works.  How is it that NONE of them managed to figure it out until NOW?  In many cases AFTER I figured it out!  I called Sovereign Debt Collapse coming down the pipe in 2008 maybe 6 months after I started researching the problem. Meanwhile, there are "Top Economistas" out there who to this DAY pitch out ridiculous ideas on how to resolve the problems of irredeemable debt.

Yea OK, we gotta "decentralize, downsize,and localize", but exactly how are we supposed to DO that when the whole fucking food economy is the precise OPPOSITE of all those things right now?  What is the TRANSISITION MECHANISM for this?  Far as "Demilitarization" goes, HTF do we DO that when the folks running this Military machine all are STILL sieving enormous profit from it, while everybody else is at minimum Unemployed, and in many parts of the world literally STARVING at this point?

The complaints are Valid, though a tad bit late in coming from the Aging Academics. What is really missing though are any kind of realistic proposals to meet the goals they set, ESPECIALLY Peacefully!  Face FACTS here folks, on a dislocation of this scale where at LEAST half the population is going to get STIFFED one way or the other, the outcome will NOT be PEACEFUL.  it is completely absurd to believe that.  Large segments of the population completely CUT OFF from economic opportunity do NOT go Quietly into This Good Night.  It CAN'T happen.

Get REALISTIC here and present a PLAN which will deal with the FACT it will NOT be Peaceful, but rather the complete OPPOSITE of that.  That is REALITY!

RE

Collapsing Economy, Undemocratic Government, Global Warfare: The Montpelier Manifesto (http://www.globalresearch.ca/collapsing-economy-undemocratic-government-global-warfare-the-montpelier-manifesto/)

By Global Research

Global Research, September 04, 2012

The Montpelier Manifesto
 
by Thomas H. Naylor, Kirkpatrick Sale, James Starkey, and Charles Keil

Petition of Grievances
 
We, citizens of this American land, haunted by the nihilism of separation, meaninglessness, and powerlessness, subsumed by political elites who use corporate, state, and military power to manipulate our lives, pawns of a global system of dominance and deceit in which transnational megacompanies and big government control us through money, markets, and media, sapping our political will, civil liberties, collective memory, traditional cultures, sustainability, and independence, and as victims of affluenza, technomania, cybermania, globalism, and imperialism, do issue and proclaim this:
 
Document of Grievances and Abuses
 
Governance
 1.A government too big, too centralized, too undemocratic, too unjust, too powerful, too intrusive, and too unresponsive to the needs of individual citizens and small communities.
 2.One that is too big and corrupt to be fixed or reformed, certainly not by such fantasies as campaign finance reform or corporate-personhood amendments.
 3.One that has lost its moral authority, is corrupt to the core, and is owned, operated and controlled by Wall Street, Corporate America, and their political lackeys.
4.One run by a single brain-dead national political party on life-support systems, sustained by national and Congressional elections that are sold to the highest bidder, disguised as a genuine two-party system.
 5.One that relies on and fosters the illusion that only the U.S. government can solve all or our problems all of the time, in the face of the fact that it is the U.S. government that is the problem.
 
Economy
 1.A collapsing economy, with a moribund housing market and a staggering number of mortgage foreclosures, and high unemployment because of jobs lost to China, India, and elsewhere over the past three decades of globalism.
 2.Stagnant real incomes for all but the super-rich, resulting in an ever-widening gap between the rich and the poor and an increasing rate of poverty, homelessness, and inadequate insurance.
 3.A $15-plus trillion national debt and unfunded mandate obligations of $43 trillion, a staggering burden only added to by stimulus spending, tax cuts, and “quantitative easing” (printing money), none of which is restoring economic growth but does make us increasingly and dangerously dependent on China, Japan, and other foreign countries buying our treasury bonds.
 4.A central bank which has, by monetizing the growing national debt and providing cheap credit to bail out banks, increased the money supply to the point where the future value of the dollar and the rate of inflation are highly uncertain.
 5.A financial system based on “tricks and traps” rather than customer service and a financial regulatory system which favors predatory and ruthless Wall Street mega-banks at the expense of ordinary citizens.
6.An economic system absolutely dependent for survival on consumption and affluenza (the illusion that the accumulation of more stuff, provided by big-box stores fostered by government globalization policies, can provide meaning to life), despite the knowledge that unrestrained growth in a world of finite resources is unsustainable and unworthy of pursuit.
 7.Public and private sector labor unions which have been under open attack by the government since the Reagan administration, by hostile anti-union private employers such as Wal-Mart, and more recently by some Republican governors.
 8.Corporate-owned, government-subsidized agriculture with its use of toxic pesticides and fertilizers, anti-biotics, genetically-engineered seeds, systematic animal cruelty, and virtual absence of food safety regulations creating a menace to public health, the environment, and small farmers.
 
Foreign Policy
 1.An immoral, often clandestine and illegal, imperial system based on full-spectrum dominance, military overstretch, might-makes-right, and the proposition that the world wants to be just like us, leading us to provide support to dictators and authoritarian regimes in the Middle East, North Africa, and elsewhere in the world.
 2.A dependence on military might, based on a multi-trillion dollar budget, 1.6 million American troops stationed at over 1,000 bases in 153 countries (including 80,000 in Europe, 36,000 in Japan, and 30,000 in Korea), Special Operations strike forces (Seals, Delta Forces, Rangers, Green Berets) deployed in 120 countries, and a proliferation of pilotless drone aircraft worldwide for reconnaissance and stealth attacks, sometimes killing civilians, including Americans.
3.Immoral, illegal, undeclared wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and (via Israel) Palestine, the threat of war with Iran based on our deliberate acts of provocation, and the endless “war” on terror largely aimed with racial overtones at Muslims.
 4.The hammerlock hold of the Israeli Lobby over American foreign policy that forces us to support an Israeli-inspired war on terror against Muslims and keeps us from any real commitment to an Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
 5.The Cuban embargo.
 
Civil Liberties
 1.The highly intrusive, inept, ever-growing, money-guzzling Department of Homeland Security, together with other intelligence agencies, using the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Detainee Security Provision of the National Defense Administration Act of 2011, and other covers for citizen surveillance and suppression of civil liberties.
 2.The disgraceful (and expensive and useless) Guantanamo Prison, prisoner abuse and torture, and the illegal rendition of terrorist suspects.
 3.A president who can order the assassination of anyone, anywhere, anytime (including U.S. citizens) whose name happens to appear on the White House “kill list.”
 
Criminal Justice
 1.Six million people under “correctional supervision” (more than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin), including more black men than were in slavery in 1860 and 50,000 men in solitary confinement in “supermax” prisons.

2.A failed international war on drugs that costs billions, ruins more lives than it saves, has spawned corruption and violence, an entrenched bureaucracy, and which has had no impact on drug use in the United States.
 
Social Services
 1.The most expensive health care system in the world, driven by fear of death on the demand side and greed on the supply side, that ranks 37th in the world according to the World Health Organization, now tied to Obamacare, which remains fatally attached to a private health care system that is in a death-spiral of rising costs and declining health outcomes.
 2.An education system dominated by the Federal government, committed to a one-size-fits-all corporate model, to the dumbing-down of America, and to a race to the bottom, which is why it ranks 18th in the industrial world, according to the OECD.
 3.A higher education system that is becoming so expensive that only the rich will be able to attend college; all others look forward to debt slavery.
 4.A social-welfare net that, despite being enormously expensive, is woefully inadequate to those it serves and has proven incapable of serious reform.
 
Infrastructure
 1.A widespread aging and collapsing infrastructure, including highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, dams, levees, and public water systems, now costing America $129 billion a year, according to the American Society of Civil Engineers, and will take an expenditure of $206 billion a year for the next 20 years to fix, sums which are simply unavailable.

2.Transportation crises, including the obsolete and inadequate air-traffic-control systems and railroad passenger train systems, and a Federal highway system now 60 years old falling into disrepair across the country.
 
Redress of Grievances
 
“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive… it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government… as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness,” says the Declaration of Independence. Alteration and abolishment include the right to disband, or subdivide, or withdraw, or create a new government.
 
Let us therefore consider ways peaceably to withdraw from the American Empire by (1) regaining control of our lives from big government, big business, big cities, big schools, and big computer networks; (2) relearning how to take care of ourselves by decentralizing, downsizing, localizing, demilitarizing, simplifying, and humanizing our lives; and (3) providing democratic and human-scale self-government at those local and regional levels most likely to effect our safety and happiness.
 
Citizens, lend your name to this manifesto and join in the honorable task of rejecting the immoral, corrupt, decaying, dying, failing American Empire and seeking its rapid and peaceful dissolution before it takes us all down with it.

To be presented at the Third Statewide Convention on Vermont Self-Determination on September 14, 2012 to be held in the Vermont State House in Montpelier.
 
September 4, 2012
 
Thomas H. Naylor is founder of the Second Vermont Republic and Professor Emeritus of Economics at Duke University. He is the author Secession: How Vermont and All the Other States Can Save Themselves from the Empire, The Vermont Manifesto: The Second Vermont Republic and co-author of Ajjluenza, Downsizing the USA, and The Search for Meaning.
 
Kirkpatrick Sale [send him mail] is the author of a dozen books, including Human Scale and Rebels Against the Future: The Luddites and Their War on the Industrial Revolution, and is the Director of the Middlebury Institute for the study of separation, secession, and self-determination.
 
James Starkey is Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Rhode Island.
 
Charles Keil is Professor Emeritus of American Studies at the State University of New York at Buffalo, and the author of Urban Blues.
 
Copyright © 2012 Thomas H. Naylor
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on September 05, 2012, 02:54:30 AM
Hey, GENIUS! Lighten the fuck up, eh?

Last I looked, the original Declaration of Independence didn't come with a Chilton's Guide, either.

One of the (many, oh-so-many) criticisms of Occupy is that it lacks an organizing vision. A couple of academic graybeards lock themselves in a cabin and produce one. And you complain? Really?

And get this straight: there were PLENTY of people who complained about policies over the past 30 years. From ray gun through Bush the Lesser and that class-traitor Clinton, too. And in the streets. Perhaps you overlooked them in the same way you overlooked John Pilger.

A cheap shot at an otherwise interesting vision. I just think you're pissed because while these guys were on campus banging coeds, you were driving the big rigs.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on September 05, 2012, 03:12:03 AM
A cheap shot at an otherwise interesting vision. I just think you're pissed because while these guys were on campus banging coeds, you were driving the big rigs.

Bah humbug.  Truckstop Waitresses are better banging than Coeds any day. LOL.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Speaking of Forever Young
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 06, 2012, 03:57:22 AM
Any one remember these old gents    :laugh:     :laugh:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Speaking of Forever Young
Post by: RE on September 06, 2012, 04:30:40 AM
Any one remember these old gents    :laugh:     :laugh:

Pretty sure the guy in the middle is the Beaver.  The guy on the right's face is familiar but I can't place it.  Guy on the left no idea.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Speaking of Forever Young
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 06, 2012, 04:59:45 AM
Any one remember these old gents    :laugh:     :laugh:

Pretty sure the guy in the middle is the Beaver.  The guy on the right's face is familiar but I can't place it.  Guy on the left no idea.

RE
You are kidding of course!

Big brother Wally and Eddy Haskell!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Speaking of Forever Young
Post by: RE on September 06, 2012, 05:04:48 AM

Big brother Wally and Eddy Haskell!

Not Kidding.  This is BFMT stuff.  I've seen pics of the Beaver as he aged though so I remembered his face.  I never watched "Leave it to Beaver".  The series predated my TV watching and did not make many reruns later.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Speaking of Forever Young
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 06, 2012, 05:09:18 AM

Big brother Wally and Eddy Haskell!

Not Kidding.  This is BFMT stuff.  I've seen pics of the Beaver as he aged though so I remembered his face.  I never watched "Leave it to Beaver".  The series predated my TV watching and did not make many reruns later.

RE
 
I am surprised Paladin. Gonna start calling you Sonny.         :D ;D
Title: Blog Improvements: Surly Op-Ed Scrollarama
Post by: RE on September 06, 2012, 04:50:15 PM
If you go to the Blog Homepage, you will find a New Scrollarama on the Right Menu Bar, in addition to my Rogue Economics Scrollorama and the Recent Articles Scrollorama.  The new one is "Surly Op-Ed"  and scrolls through 10 of Surly's articles at random (there are about 15 so they show up regularly).

This makes it easier for Readers here to find specific Articles from the Top Diner Bloggers.   You have to have minimum 10 Articles published on the Diner and be a regular member of the Diner Commentariat to get your own Scrollorama.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 07, 2012, 12:04:20 PM
Ilargi, over at TAE has posted a interesting article titled "Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and the IMF. Thought I would mention it, enjoyed reading it.   GO

http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/hungary-throws-out-monsanto-and-the-imf.html (http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/hungary-throws-out-monsanto-and-the-imf.html)
                                     









 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 07, 2012, 03:57:54 PM
The new DD blog page is great with the listing of articles from last to first. I was always getting lost over there, and I am not exactly a new boy. Wish the Flash buys up top were in order also. Just my 2 centavos
Title: Diner Blog Slider and Scrollaramas Update
Post by: RE on September 07, 2012, 10:50:10 PM
The new DD blog page is great with the listing of articles from last to first. I was always getting lost over there, and I am not exactly a new boy. Wish the Flash buys up top were in order also. Just my 2 centavos

If I made the Top Slider into a Listing of Recent Articles in Chronological order, it would duplicate what the 3rd Scrollarama on the Right Nav Bar is doing.

The Top Slider at the moment is Random All RE ALL THE TIME.   :icon_mrgreen:  I figure since I write about 90% of the Homegrown Articles here, I get Top Billing.  Also I figure this is a way for Newbies to get up to Speed here and not ask me questions I already answered. Besides, I pay the Bills.  LOL.

I will however occassionally change the parameters on the Top Slider to feature other Diner Authors as well.  I have that Slider set to show I think 15 randomly selected posts by a given Author, so once you have say 20 Articles under your Byline I will Feature your articles in that Slider once a week or so.  Surly is close to that I think now, I'll have to go count them up.

RE
Title: Re: Diner Blog Slider and Scrollaramas Update
Post by: RE on September 08, 2012, 05:57:54 PM

I will however occassionally change the parameters on the Top Slider to feature other Diner Authors as well.  I have that Slider set to show I think 15 randomly selected posts by a given Author, so once you have say 20 Articles under your Byline I will Feature your articles in that Slider once a week or so.  Surly is close to that I think now, I'll have to go count them up.

RE

Even though he is not at 20 articles yet,  I changed the Top Slider to Feature Surly's Articles for a couple of days.

Change of Pace from All RE All the Time.  :icon_mrgreen:

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant Bernanke as a Child
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 08, 2012, 11:21:57 PM
BERNANKE AS A CHILD

Posted on 8th September 2012 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

Ben Bernanke

http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=40349 (http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=40349)
Title: DINER CRASHES ON 9-11!!!!!
Post by: RE on September 11, 2012, 03:13:03 AM
For those of you who were not awake for this, the Diner experienced its first major Database Crash a little after midnite on 9-11 Alaska Time.

RE's WORST NIGHTMARE, the whole of SMF was inaccessable!  Error Code:

Table 'smf_log_online' is marked as crashed and should be repaired
File: /hermes/waloraweb065/b2385/pow.doomsteaddinerorg/htdocs/forum/Sources/Subs.php
Line: 2728


RE sent out PANICKED emails to Peter and openned up the Doomstead Diner Yahoo Group for posting while trying to fix this problem.  After doing that, I went to POWWEB (my hosting service) and hit their 24/7 support team with the problem.

The Techies at POWWEB FIXED  it!  In under 15 minutes!   I LOVE my Hosting Server!

Now is the question of WHY the Diner experienced its FIRST Major CRASH on 9-11?

Coinkidink?

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on September 11, 2012, 04:28:45 AM
Did ttech support offer any insights as to what happened?
Title: Re: DINER CRASHES ON 9-11!!!!!
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 11, 2012, 04:33:41 AM
For those of you who were not awake for this, the Diner experienced its first major Database Crash a little after midnite on 9-11 Alaska Time.

RE's WORST NIGHTMARE, the whole of SMF was inaccessable!  Error Code:

Table 'smf_log_online' is marked as crashed and should be repaired
File: /hermes/waloraweb065/b2385/pow.doomsteaddinerorg/htdocs/forum/Sources/Subs.php
Line: 2728


RE sent out PANICKED emails to Peter and openned up the Doomstead Diner Yahoo Group for posting while trying to fix this problem.  After doing that, I went to POWWEB (my hosting service) and hit their 24/7 support team with the problem.

The Techies at POWWEB FIXED  it!  In under 15 minutes!   I LOVE my Hosting Server!

Now is the question of WHY the Diner experienced its FIRST Major CRASH on 9-11?

Coinkidink?

RE
I had warned you something was amiss and you dismissed it as my internet provider, after I clearly stated that only the DD page was affected.
As I think back and reflect it might have had much to do with your tinkering around with a new format. Please find a new toy to tinker with Sonny. GO is pissed the Diner was not open for his morning coffee!      ;D
Title: Re: DINER CRASHES ON 9-11!!!!!
Post by: RE on September 11, 2012, 04:45:30 AM
I had warned you something was amiss and you dismissed it as my internet provider, after I clearly stated that only the DD page was affected.
As I think back and reflect it might have had much to do with your tinkering around with a new format. Please find a new toy to tinker with Sonny. GO is pissed the Diner was not open for his morning coffee!      ;D

I was messing with the Blog settings, not the Forum settings.  The Blog did not Crash, the Forum did.

In any event, I suggest all Diners sign up on the Doomstead Diner Yahoo Group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DoomsteadDiner/) as Emergency shelter for Diner Crashes.  Any time the Diner experiences problems, I will post up on the Yahoo Group to keep Information flowing.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on September 11, 2012, 05:00:49 AM
Did ttech support offer any insights as to what happened?

No, I talked with a Filterer who validated the error (he was able to reproduce it on his terminal), he referred it up the line to the specialists and then around 15 min later SMF was up and runnign again.  No idea what went wrong exactly.

RE
Title: Re: DINER CRASHES ON 9-11!!!!!
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 11, 2012, 05:29:36 AM
I had warned you something was amiss and you dismissed it as my internet provider, after I clearly stated that only the DD page was affected.
As I think back and reflect it might have had much to do with your tinkering around with a new format. Please find a new toy to tinker with Sonny. GO is pissed the Diner was not open for his morning coffee!      ;D

I was messing with the Blog settings, not the Forum settings.  The Blog did not Crash, the Forum did.

In any event, I suggest all Diners sign up on the Doomstead Diner Yahoo Group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DoomsteadDiner/) as Emergency shelter for Diner Crashes.  Any time the Diner experiences problems, I will post up on the Yahoo Group to keep Information flowing.

RE
I was never one to believe in coincidences  Sonny.       ::)
Title: Re: DINER CRASHES ON 9-11!!!!!
Post by: RE on September 11, 2012, 05:49:22 AM
I was never one to believe in coincidences  Sonny.       ::)

Yea, well YOU try managing 2 software packages you are only marginally familiar with the code and keep them perking smooth all the time!  I am TRYING to EDUCATE myself here since my EXPERT Buddy has gone AWOL and I gotta keep the Transmitter running myself now.

I STILL want Tabs on the Blog Homepage and a direct feed of recent posting iin the Diner inside the Tabs on the Blog.  I'll figure it out eventually.  Just be Prepped up for a few Earthquakes along the way here, I am BOUND to fuck it up a few times.

You gotta take some RISKS for GLORY!  I still want the most KICK ASS Collapse Blog on the Web, with every Goddamn Widget known to Man available at the click of your Mouse.  In the absence of the EXPERT Peter, you are stuck with the HACK RE here, and chances are I fuck it up at least as often as I make it work.  Live with it. LOL.

RE
Title: Re: DINER CRASHES ON 9-11!!!!!
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 11, 2012, 06:08:07 AM
I was never one to believe in coincidences  Sonny.       ::)

Yea, well YOU try managing 2 software packages you are only marginally familiar with the code and keep them perking smooth all the time!  I am TRYING to EDUCATE myself here since my EXPERT Buddy has gone AWOL and I gotta keep the Transmitter running myself now.

I STILL want Tabs on the Blog Homepage and a direct feed of recent posting iin the Diner inside the Tabs on the Blog.  I'll figure it out eventually.  Just be Prepped up for a few Earthquakes along the way here, I am BOUND to fuck it up a few times.

You gotta take some RISKS for GLORY!  I still want the most KICK ASS Collapse Blog on the Web, with every Goddamn Widget known to Man available at the click of your Mouse.  In the absence of the EXPERT Peter, you are stuck with the HACK RE here, and chances are I fuck it up at least as often as I make it work.  Live with it. LOL.

RE
What a lament from one of the world's smartest men, as you describe and think of yourself. Perhaps you should consult with a true genius like GO before undertaking such complexities Sonny.
GO AKA GO Einstein
GO AKA GO Einstein
Title: Diner Multiplex Changes
Post by: RE on September 20, 2012, 04:50:19 AM
BRAINSTORM!

I had a chat with Watson recently in PM, he wanted me to Plug his Picturing Christ Blog in the Diner Multiplex, which is one of the pages I created on the Blog to promote affilliated Bloggers.  It is a kind of Glorified Blogroll.  I have let it Languish because the whole Cross Posting deal hasn't worked out precisely as I had hoped.

However, I now have a NEW concept for this page which I will work on over the weekend.  It will be Tiered to Feature FIRST Native Diner Bloggers who exclusively Blog on the Diner, then Feature below that Cross Posting Diner Bloggers who have their own Blogs but Actively Participate in Diner Commentary, then finally the Cross Posters whose articles I add to the Diner but do not actively contribute.

In the First Category at the moment are Myself, Surly and Agelbert.  Peter also, except he is MIA.

In the Second Category are WHD and Watson and Tao Jonesing maybe except he is kind of scarce these days.

In the Third Category Elvis, Gail, Morris, Guy, Urban Scout et al.

I'll drop on Full Scrolloramas for the Category 1 Bloggers and Text Scrolloramas for Category 2 Bloggers.

Cat 3 Bloggers will get a static  plug for their Blogs.

This way, Bloggers are encouraged to do more Blogging on the Diner.  You get FULL PROMOTION if you are a native Diner Blogger who publishes exclusively on the Diner.  If you have your own Blog but contribute to the Commentary inside the Diner, you get the next tier of promotion.  Cross posting Bloggers who do not participate just get a Plug for their Blogs.

I'll get this operational over the weekend.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 21, 2012, 06:07:25 AM
Mob of the dim just shown on TV lined up in NY city to buy a new I phone; and not one goon or billy club seen. Why does that piss me off ?   :coffee:
Title: Testing the No Ban/No Censorship Policy
Post by: RE on September 23, 2012, 01:16:39 AM
Anyone who has been following the Diner for the last few days knows we have had our first real TEST of the No Ban/No Censorship Policy with Diner Futilitist.  FT has what I would call BDS, Board Disruption Syndrome.  A troll whose main objective is to cause as much havoc as possible on a Forum for so long as he is allowed to post there.

I gave Futilist a HOME here on the Diner after he got BANNED from TOD.  He had Gripes with John Michael Greer the Arch Druid and was expressing said gripes on TOD and got Banned for that.  Well, not JUST for that, he also was not too Social and Friendly either. LOL.

Anyhow, Futilitist wanted his OWN Bully Pulpit here on the Diner also in our "Smokehouse" where we tolerae all sorts of Napalm, Ad Hom Argument, Foul Language, the WORKS!  Can't find too many Forums or Blogs on the Net that will tolerate that!  In the interest of Free Speech though, I do.  :icon_mrgreen:

In the course of less than 2 days though in charge of this Board, Futilitist managed to PISS OFF just about every Diner, the PMs to BAN him were non-stop from the Diners.  Skull Fucking him was mentioned as well.  LOL.

Anyhow, I do have a Policy of No Ban/No Censorship though, so I refused to Ban him despite PLEAS to do so from the Diner Community.  As ADMIN here though, I do have other options, and so now Diner Futilitist is under HOUSE ARREST here on the Diner.

Futilist's main Nazi thread has been sent to the DUNGEON, where it is READ ONLY.  That means you cannot post to that thread anymore.  Neither can Futilitist of course.  I CAN post to it, because I am ADMIN.  Power of GOD on a Forum.  LOL.

Have I BANNED Futilitist from further posting?  Nope.  I am SURE he will post up with another one pegging me as a Nazi Censor in short order.  LOL.  However, that post when it comes and when I get to the Diner will also find its way into the Dungeon, where it will be reproduced in a Solitary Confinement Post containing all his future posting.

This is the SECRET WEAPON I have held in reserve for just such an occurrence, it prevents the Spamming of the Last 100 Posts by putting them all into ONE Solitary Confinement Post.

If you are interested in the Ravings of Futilitist, please feel free to go visit him in his Solitary Confinement Cell on the Diner.  You may even catch some of his posts as he drops them on here on the Diner for a while, unless he is too annoying with that in which case I wll set them for Approval before Upload, and then move them into the Solitary Confinement Post before they ever hit the Diner at all.  Probably will not do that for a while though, because it is very entertaining to see how this works itself out.  It's a great experiment in Board Moderation for me, something I have been pondering on since my AOL days as a Board Moderator on other topics..

You Diners have a FRONT ROW SEAT in this Experiment.  Should be fun overall.  At least if you are ADMIN.  Not so fun for Galileo under House Arrest here. LOL

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on September 23, 2012, 01:48:31 AM
  Please explain this character's motivations to me. I feel extremely dumbfounded by this man.He could have taken my two posts for which he called me a Nazi apart and pointed out his objections. I had left plenty of room for that. In fact, I had asked " if you think I am mistaken in my accusations please explain what is going on" But I am convinced that neither he or his accomplice really read anything. All they wanted to do was scream "Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, oh and also" Nazi bitch." It would seem apparent to me that I had not been talking about say Miriam Klein down the street in my bowling club or Dave Steigl from whom I was about to purchase a bugout van at his van dealership. In point of fact, I think that this man just made a case for several points in my posts, namely his selfishness in not paying attention to the fact that other groups have been just as hurt and decimated. And he really did email me in this weird way which was pretty startling and I guessed that there was something really unbalanced about him. And then he denied doing it. I really think he is crazy!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on September 23, 2012, 02:15:37 AM
  Please explain this character's motivations to me.

Well, first off he is an ATTENTION hound.  He makes the focus of his posts about himself and his Futilitist theory.  He uses LARGE TYPE to sign his posts as Futilitist always, keeping it down to around 14pt type since I warned him on that one.  Nevetheless, the signature is always BOLD and BIG.

Next, he never really develops his own argumments in great detail, rather he just latches onto the arguments others make and makes them his "Enemy".  I actually AGREE with him that your characterization of Jews is entirely wrong and inappropriate, but because I would not jump on his bandwagon and excoriate you for it, I became a "Nazi Sympathizer" in his posting.

Mainly, he is just looking to generate conflict, picking out anything in a post that can give him grist for the mill.  It likely results from the nihilist viewpoint he takes, that it all does not matter and people need to live with the fact the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

Guy McPherson does a similar thing, he is also Uber Doom, but Guy at least is respectful and academic n his posting, he doesn't ATTACK everybody.  Futilitist ATTACKS anybody and everybody all the time, in just about every post he makes.  It is extremely tiresome stuff overall. If he made a case in the absence of attacks on others it might be worthwhile, but he does not DO that.  His Blog just regurgitates his debates with others, there is no exposition really.

Anyhow, you do have to realize that in the blogosphere and cyberspace many people have things they want to say, but unless there is good underpinning it is just pissing in the wind.  Futilitist Pisses into the Wind all the time.  THAT is annoying, that is WHY he is under HOUSE ARREST.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 23, 2012, 02:42:39 AM
Diners, I just received a message from Futilitist, and thought I should post it in fairness to the integrity of the entire thread. I will await the permission of the Admin. It is not napalm and merely a thank you note to me for support, with an admonition to leave the group.   GO
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on September 23, 2012, 02:50:06 AM
Diners, I just received a message from Futilitist, and thought I should post it in fairness to the integrity of the entire thread. I will await the permission of the Admin. It is not napalm and merely a thank you note to me for support, with an admonition to leave the group.   GO

Feel free to post it GO.  No issues with that far as I am concerned.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 23, 2012, 02:54:44 AM
From: Futilitist
GO,

Futilitist is dead.  RE put the tread in the new Dungeon where no comments can be posted by anyone except RE.  Amazing.  I've archived the whole thing on my computer, since I am sure it will be further censored down the memory hole by RE as soon as he thinks he can get away with it.  Maybe he will just edit my posts to make them say whatever he wants them to.  He will probably remove my 7 whole pictures as well.  I am so sorry I brought my daughter into this ugly place.

Thanks for standing up to the NAZIs with me.  That was really fun.  But if I were you I would not want to continue to hang around with a bunch of censorious, backstabbing, NAZIs.

---Futilitist
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on September 23, 2012, 03:08:10 AM
Futilitist is dead.  RE put the tread in the new Dungeon where no comments can be posted by anyone except RE.  Amazing.  I've archived the whole thing on my computer, since I am sure it will be further censored down the memory hole by RE as soon as he thinks he can get away with it.  Maybe he will just edit my posts to make them say whatever he wants them to.  He will probably remove my 7 whole pictures as well.  I am so sorry I brought my daughter into this ugly place.

Thanks for standing up to the NAZIs with me.  That was really fun.  But if I were you I would not want to continue to hang around with a bunch of censorious, backstabbing, NAZIs.

Well, anybody who knows me for a while at all knows I won't TOUCH anybody else's posting in it's content, only in its placement.  For so long as the Internet is Up and Running, all of Futilitist's posts and pics will STAY AS THEY LAY.  Remember that one from Last of the Mohicans?

I do not mess with the posts of others.  Post as you will on the Diner.  Just remember I am ADMIN and can put it where I like here on the Diner.

To Futilitist I say, you CAN come BACK from the DEAD.  All you need to do is get some CFS.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on September 23, 2012, 08:41:22 AM
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Futilitist is dead.

Long live Messianic megalomaniac nihilist wreakers of havoc.
Title: Board Management Field Day!
Post by: RE on September 23, 2012, 01:16:01 PM
Today so far has been absolutely the most active Field Day for reorganizing board posting I have ever been engaged in after 15 years of this stuff, and its not half over yet.  Moving, Splitting, Copy/Pasting, the WORKS! LOL.

Hopefully it will calm down in a bit, but it is the Entertainment of the Day here on the Diner!

See RE Scoot entire threads to the Smokehouse!  See RE Copy/Paste!  See RE make posts hard to find! See Spot Run!  Run, Spot, Run!  LOL.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 24, 2012, 02:10:28 AM
Quote RE "In the course of less than 2 days though in charge of this Board, Futilitist managed to PISS OFF just about every Diner, the PMs to BAN him were non-stop from the Diners.  Skull Fucking him was mentioned as well."

I find this both a bit troubling and  surprising.

Why did so many members decide to PM you?

Why the secrecy?

How come not one called for his ouster openly?

Is this a common practice or unusual?

Aren't we supposed to be a community that has our discussions in the open on the appropriate thread.

Should you have asked the PM Er's to voice their opinions on the forum?

I am getting an uncomfortable feeling that there could be two forums here public and secret, or a background group

Wish you would clarify or explain your feelings about this replying to postings by PM when you find the time.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Futilitist, that is a dead issue now in my opinion, it is about the status, rules and decorum of the forum only.
                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              Thanks GO
 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on September 24, 2012, 02:41:49 AM
I find this both a bit troubling and  surprising.

If you are surprised, you haven't spent much time as a Board Moderator.  this sort of nonsense goes on all the time on Active Boards.  They are tough to manage because of it.

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Why did so many members decide to PM you?

Likely because they were pissed off but did not wish to get into a Public Pissing contest on the Diner.

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Why the secrecy?

No secret.  F-Bomb was sent to the Dungeon.  I sent him there.  Opinions of the other Diners were considered, but they are not the determining factor.  My decision determines it.  I take full responsibility for the decision.  It was mine to make, and I made it.  Live with it.

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How come not one called for his ouster openly?

Because nobody wants to be a Bad Guy and call for a BAN in public, particularly not on a "Free Speech" forum.  Privately though, they are APPALLED by the behavior so they express it in PMs.

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Is this a common practice or unusual?

Common practice would be to BAN such a Disruptor.  Ilargi does it, Watson has said he will do it, Steve from Virginia does it, etc etc etc.  Uncommon is to let such a disruptor stay on the Board and give him Freedom to post up as long as he shows respect and CFS.

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Aren't we supposed to be a community that has our discussions in the open on the appropriate thread.

We ARE such a community.  Unfortunately, F-Bomb went about the process of making this community all about F-Bomb and dominating the Last 100 Posts, totally swamping everything else on the board.  I just limited his ability to do that.  He still can post, he is not banned and has not been censored.

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Should you have asked the PM Er's to voice their opinions on the forum?

If they wanted to espress them in Public, they would have done so.  They PM because they don't want to make such Public declarations.  That is why  PM exists.

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I am getting an uncomfortable feeling that there could be two forums here public and secret, or a background group

There ARE two such groups, and YOU are a member of the Diner Insider group.  YOU are a GLOBAL MODERATOR!  That is why you can post in the thread inside the Dungeon!  No SECRET that this insider group exists, it is out there every time you post up, it shows that Golden Oxen is a MODERATOR.

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Wish you would clarify or explain your feelings about this replying to postings by PM when you find the time.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Futilitist, that is a dead issue now in my opinion, it is about the status, rules and decorum of the forum only.
                                                                                                         
Explained Above.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 24, 2012, 02:50:42 AM
Is this a common practice or unusual?

I was referring to the practice of many diner's PMing you rather than voicing views openly, but I get your drift.

I was under the opinion PM was a means to contact a person on a limited personal matter, not on topics being discussed, but I see I was in error.                                                                  Thanks GO
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on September 24, 2012, 03:11:46 AM
Is this a common practice or unusual?

I was referring to the practice of many diner's PMing you rather than voicing views openly, but I get your drift.

I was under the opinion PM was a means to contact a person on a limited personal matter, not on topics being discussed, but I see I was in error.                                                                  Thanks GO

PM mostly is used for members of a board to bitch to each other Privately about what somebody else on the board writes.  You find friends you agree with, then when one of your Enemies posts up something you don't want to confront in public, you bitch to each other about it.  That is how it GOES on Message Boards. EVERYBODY KNOWS.

OK not everybody.  Only everybodies who have spent as much time as me on Internet message boards.  Been at this Game a LOOOOONNNNGGG time GO.  I know all the tricks.  That is why they call me the GODFATHER.  :icon_mrgreen:

(http://www.vokrug.tv/pic/news_photo/d/9/e/7/medium_d9e7a23d50ebbc2ef0b0c07948aa6672.jpeg)

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on September 24, 2012, 06:34:47 AM
Is this a common practice or unusual?

I was referring to the practice of many diner's PMing you rather than voicing views openly, but I get your drift.

I was under the opinion PM was a means to contact a person on a limited personal matter, not on topics being discussed, but I see I was in error.                                                                  Thanks GO

Just FYI, for me, a PM is a good way to clarify intent. For example, if you are reading something, and can't believe what you are reading, you might PM someone to see if your understand correctly or are losing your mind. It would probably be a mistake to infer that there is an entire private channel of communication running parallel to the forum. At least, as far as I know.

This entire episode has got me weighing the merits and virtues of "unlimited free speech." This seems to be the first time we had an episode of people purposely trying to disrupt this Forum. Upon reflection, I see parallels between this episode and past conflicts with disinfo agents and paid disruptors at Occupy events. I have seen with my own eyes how one marginal personality on a mission can disrupt a community. Which is why stakeholders in a community need to reflect upon and agree upon standards of conduct-- and hold themselves accountable.

Am continuing to mull this one over.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 24, 2012, 06:54:40 AM
Is this a common practice or unusual?

I was referring to the practice of many diner's PMing you rather than voicing views openly, but I get your drift.

I was under the opinion PM was a means to contact a person on a limited personal matter, not on topics being discussed, but I see I was in error.                                                                  Thanks GO

Just FYI, for me, a PM is a good way to clarify intent. For example, if you are reading something, and can't believe what you are reading, you might PM someone to see if your understand correctly or are losing your mind. It would probably be a mistake to infer that there is an entire private channel of communication running parallel to the forum. At least, as far as I know.

This entire episode has got me weighing the merits and virtues of "unlimited free speech." This seems to be the first time we had an episode of people purposely trying to disrupt this Forum. Upon reflection, I see parallels between this episode and past conflicts with disinfo agents and paid disruptors at Occupy events. I have seen with my own eyes how one marginal personality on a mission can disrupt a community. Which is why stakeholders in a community need to reflect upon and agree upon standards of conduct-- and hold themselves accountable.

Am continuing to mull this one over.
Good morning Surly, Thanks for your input, that certainly seems a legitimate a constructive reason for using PM.

 I have become fearful of conspiracies, attack groups, all sorts of skulduggery after the events of this weekend. Hard to explain but the place seems infiltrated or something along those lines. Trying hard to return my spirit to normalcy, but the paranoia  just won't leave me. A most uncomfortable feeling. Just deleted my email box and profile before you posted, it feels that bad here to me all of a sudden.

 Your sane, friendly, constructive and always dependable role as peace maker has at least relaxed me quite a bit.
 
                                                                                                                               Thanks again GO
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on September 24, 2012, 07:15:03 AM
GO, at your service.

Not sure what to do to relieve the paranoia, except "do what you say you're gonna do, be who you say you are."

Maybe having dealt with so many marginal personalities in and around Occupy, I have a higher tolerance for nonsense and drama without purpose.

I continue to wonder, in re this latest, "why?" DD seems pretty small potatoes for a disruption action. Trying to use Occam's Razor here, but ain't scrapin' much yet.
Title: Coming of Age in the Age of Oil
Post by: RE on September 27, 2012, 03:16:24 AM
Just to keep the Diners updated here, I am 3500 words deep into this new Autobio Article for the Diner now.  PO1 from Guestville accussed me of not Blogging enough lately. LOL.

I probably wil post Mo Berman's article first, and I am about to post Phil Farruggio's articles to the Diner Blog.

I got a LOT of STUFF to drop on the Diner, and I personally think it is more interesting if it is not All RE All the Time.  1 or two of these Epics a week is Plenty-o-RE to read.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 27, 2012, 09:03:45 PM
Anyone got a take on Mr. Sunshine from Israel and his UN speech today? Would be a tough one to give the Nobel Peace Prize to, wouldn't he.
 
His buddy from Iran is not exactly what you would call a peace maker either.

Just chewing the fat. Getting real BAD vibes about that situation, wouldn't take much to get things rolling in my view.
Title: Re: Coming of Age in the Age of Oil
Post by: RE on September 28, 2012, 01:17:35 AM
Just to keep the Diners updated here, I am 3500 words deep into this new Autobio Article for the Diner now.  PO1 from Guestville accussed me of not Blogging enough lately. LOL.

I just finished the Text for Coming of Age in the Age of Oil, and came in at a bit over 4300 words on this one.  :icon_mrgreen:

Should be a Lively Article for commentary, since it has a lot of SEX in it!  LOL.  SEX works better even than RELIGION usually to get Keyboard Fingers Flying in the Commentariat.  :icon_mrgreen:

The article still needs a lot of Multimedia work, which will be tomorrow's project.  I figure to publish this one Saturday for Weekend chit-chat on the Diner.  I'll fill in tomorrow with an article from one of the other Diner Bloggers from around the net.

It is another in my series of Autobiographical Articles, though this one was a bit harder to tie into Collapse and Peak Oil themes than some of the others were.  Here is a short Coming Attraction from Coming of Age in the Age of Oil

Quote from: RE
In what seems to me at times like another life entirely, I reflect back on my years growing up in the Age of Oil.  I wrote some about this in Pump Up the Volume and more about a later period in my life as an Over the Road Trucker.  Still to come at some future date the Pigman Years on Wall Street, the School Teaching Years and so forth, and I still have more Chapters to write on the Over the Road years.

For today though, I am going to review experiences I had travelling around Europe in the summer after my HS Graduation.  I graduated HS at the age of 16, On the Edge of 17.  Skipped a couple of years through the period, moving back from Brazil I was placed up a year enrolling in the NY Shity Public School system, then in Junior High I went into the 2 Year "Special Progress" program they had which allowed you to do the normal 3 Years of JHS in 2 years.

Besides being chronologically pretty young on HS graduation, I also was physiologically pretty young.  I looked probably about age 13 when I was travelling around Europe with a Backpack on the Interrail system.  I shaved about once a week at the time to give you a clue as to where my morphology was at the time.

Anyhow, in the 2 years prior to HS graduation I took on summer jobs to save money for my Big Trip and also for the Hewlett Packard HP-35 Scientific Calculator I coveted to replace my Trusty Slide Rule.  Actually ended up with an HP-45, which came out JIT for my Freshman Year of College at Columbia.  Cost about half my Summer Earnings, and really I would have done fine with just a Slide Rule, but just HAD to have that cool piece of technology.

In the Summer after my Sophomore Year I worked in a Shower Curtain Factory in the Garment District of NYC, before all this shit was moved over to China.   I was actually an Illegal Child Laborer that summer, because I was not old enough for Working Papers until the end of the summer on my Birthday.  Nice Irony that the Son of a Chase Manhattan Pigman Bankster would be a Sweatshop Worker, at least for one summer, eh?  LOL
.

More to come Saturday Morning to a Laptop near you.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant What Happened To Jade Prole's post?
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 29, 2012, 05:09:44 AM
Disappeared? Is the website having technical difficulties?   
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on September 29, 2012, 05:26:57 AM
Yeah1 I got an email saying that "A new topic, 'The Power of Poetry and Truth', has been made on a board you are watching."

I followed the link, and NADA. Wondering if JP pulled it back?

I happen to know that JP publishes a review of poetry and prose entitled "The Blue Collar review," which features submissions with a decided working class bent. Am working through the latest issue, and it is superb.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Jaded Prole on September 29, 2012, 05:49:00 AM
I pulled it back because I couldn't get a video embed to work. Frustrating but it's early and it was too much trouble. Basically it was a copy of my latest post on  the Jaded Prole (http://jadedprol.blogspot.com/).
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on September 29, 2012, 06:51:30 AM
I pulled it back because I couldn't get a video embed to work. Frustrating but it's early and it was too much trouble. Basically it was a copy of my latest post on  the Jaded Prole (http://jadedprol.blogspot.com/).

Thanks for making my day Jaded Prole, how I wish my grandmother and aunts had been in charge of our ship.

Enjoyed your site immensely and have placed both it and your rss feed on my computer.

Dr Stangelove, being one of your favorite movies also hit home, as it is on my top list also. What a classic, and everyone remembers Mr. Sellers for the Pink Panther movies mostly.

Thanks again and warm regards,  GO                              :icon_sunny:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Henry’s Striped Squirrels
Post by: Golden Oxen on October 01, 2012, 06:06:24 AM
Wonderful seasonal article I wanted to share with our Diner nature lovers.     :icon_study:


In mid-September, something changed in the air. Night-time temperatures dipped into the 40s. People were coerced – with some resignation — into closing their bedroom windows and switching cotton sheets for flannels. A week before the equinox, we could feel Fall coming on.

We weren’t the only ones. The chipmunks who live in the stone walls around the Thoreau Farm took the change to heart, too. They were spurred to action. These creatures have only two major concerns in life: having a big enough food supply for winter, and making sure they don’t become food for somebody else. A quick inventory of their storage chambers must have proven that they needed acorns ASAP, because they spent the weekend of September 15-16 in a blur of harvesting in the red oak in the front yard of the birth house. I had a ringside seat for the frenzy.

http://thoreaufarm.org/2012/09/1646/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=1646 (http://thoreaufarm.org/2012/09/1646/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=1646)   

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Title: Spanish Austerity...Cuts are Necessary
Post by: RE on October 02, 2012, 04:07:36 PM
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The rest of the world is finally catching up with me.

Nobody expects a Spanish Inquisition.

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Title: Florida: Winner of Roach-Eating Contest Dies
Post by: RE on October 08, 2012, 11:15:14 PM
You can take practicing for future cuisine choices a little too far.

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Florida: Winner of Roach-Eating Contest Dies (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/us/florida-winner-of-roach-eating-contest-dies.html?_r=0)
 
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By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
 
Published: October 9, 2012

The authorities say the winner of a roach-eating contest died shortly after downing dozens of bugs and worms. Officials at the Broward County Sheriff’s Office said on Monday that they were waiting for an autopsy to determine the cause of death. The contestant, Edward Archbold, 32, collapsed at a reptile store in Deerfield Beach soon after winning. Officials said no other contestants fell ill.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on October 09, 2012, 02:45:25 AM
OK. There's your best example of a lack of COMMON FUCKING SENSE.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on October 09, 2012, 03:10:25 AM
OK. There's your best example of a lack of COMMON FUCKING SENSE.

Darwin Award GOLD MEDALIST!

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Title: Going NUTS!
Post by: RE on October 11, 2012, 03:17:55 AM
I am officially GOING NUTS, along with numerous other Diners here as well as numerous others out there chatting on the World Wide Web.

While attempting to retain some semblance of sanity and discuss the issues of Collapse, I have at the same time attracted numerous folks who variously believe that Aliens are running the show, that Jesus predicted all of this and that what we really need to do is embrace the Futility of all of it.

Beyond advising people on some of the better choices they might make IF they got enough money to make any choice at all, I wonder WTF I keep doing this?  People are going NUTS, and for good reason too!

I just posted up articles from Phil Farruggio and Steve Lendman, both clearly Old Guys terrifically upset with the spin down here of our civilization. On a Weekly Basis, Steve Lendman drops more down on the blog level than I do, and that really is a lot of keyboarding.  Just formatting his stuff to drop on the Diner for this week took me a good hour.  He is on a Daily Rant here in the closing years of his life, much as I am on a Daily Rant as well, and all to WHAT purpose really?  It sure won't chage the dynamic here much overall, even if it does help to save a few souls.

Younger guys like WHD and Jason Heppenstall ALSO rant on their blogs, but few people listen to them EITHER.  I don't want any of us to STOP ranting, but it sure isn't resolving any problems, nor is it doing much to keep many people from losing their marbles either, myself INCLUDED there.

My Goal for the Diner was/is "Save as Many as You Can".  Just not sure really what I am trying to SAVE anymore?

Maybe time for RE to go Walkabout too.  What else to say anymore?  I am TIRED.  Being endlessly creative in trying to control message board posting here on the Diner so some productive conversation can continue rather than non-stop napaming is what I DO now.  It's sad and RIDICULOUS!

Problem for me is I LIKE most of the Diners, and I put this Blog/Board UP also.    I feel responsible for this "show".  I don't want to pull a Matt Savinar and shut it down , but it is also very difficult to keep going.

Blah.  Tonight's FRUSTRATION.  Maybe I will feel better tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Jaded Prole on October 11, 2012, 05:44:39 AM
It's a nutty time here at the end of this cycle of civilization but I too find it disheartening to see folks pulled in to the nuttiness of alien subculture and religious fanaticism. These give false hope. I'm not sure there is real hope but it isn't there. No one will save us but ourselves acting together. In our area I see bits of that happening via community gardens and the building of real community among those who pay attention -- though there is much craziness there as well. Probably sentience is a  terminal evolutionary flaw.

I'd like to delude myself with bug-out plans but the reality is that post civilization survival is a game for the young and healthy. Though I have the skills to live in the wilderness, I can't live without antihistamines and blood pressure medication. So what is there to do? I do my best to encourage community, to raise awareness and to enjoy life in the here and now. And I write:

Industrial Legacy

Cold July winds
bring misty rain and
the memory of last January's balmy breeze
in this mid-Atlantic port city
as the planet's weather spins out of sync
choking on atmospheric schmutz
ground level denial and the
self-serving lies of our corporate leaders

Excreting our way to the toxic
ash heap of the fossil record
we  continue to bury ourselves

I spend my time
a witchdoctor of words
trying to heal the plague
that I am   that
we are
my own smoking deathmobile
waiting on the tar scab lot
My own toxified and allergic body
ablaze and itching
itch by burning itch
toward insanity     or suicide
on the first wave
of extinction.


For Your Children

When I was a child
the sky was blue
the land was green
there was morning dew
there were birds in the trees
and honeysuckle air
there were butterflies
and wild animals too

When I was a child
I'd play out in the sun
without shades or sunblock
we had so much fun
In the winter it would snow,
snow white as a sheet
it was still safe to play in
and clean enough to eat

When I was a child
there were fish in the sea
there were deer in green woods
oh, how far you could see
when the air was still clear
and you could live off the land
food -- there was plenty
and life was just grand
Title: One-to-the-Many
Post by: RE on October 12, 2012, 03:09:10 AM
Spent most of the night working on a new MAJOR Geopolitical article titled "One to the Many".  Its an analysis of the ongoing fracturing of Nation-State  Goobermints based on Ecological principles.

Main disappointment for me so far is I have not been able to search down some of the original posts I made on this topic on the Peak Oil Forum, but it is not that critical.

Some of you may be familiar with some of the Ecosystem Theory I am using in this article, but probably most of you are not.  You will find a lot of very interesting referenced material in this article that goes well back into the 1970s, and in some cases to the 1940s.

Currently at 1500 words, looking to come in on this one around 3000 when it is done.  Publication over the weekend Coming to a Laptop Near You.

RE
Title: Re: One-to-the-Many
Post by: RE on October 13, 2012, 03:09:05 AM
Well, after working for most of the night on this article, I apparently just lost more than half of it.  ARGGGHHHHHH!

Somebody please remind me never to compose my text online and do it all in a text editor first.

Reconstructing this tomorrow will be a challenge.  Resultant delays in getting it up on a Laptop Near You.

3 solid hours down the tubes.

RE
Title: Doomer Science Fiction
Post by: RE on October 18, 2012, 12:35:32 AM
I started a new Feature Article tonight, tentatively titled Doomer Science Fiction.  The thesis of this article is to go into deeper detail to articulate the various perspectives on Doom you see in the Blogosphere beyond the Major Categories of Doom Lite, Full Doom and Uber-Doom.

The article was inspired by several of the comments made in the Panarchy & One-to-the-Many thread, where simply dividing Doomers up into the 2 categories of Full Doom & Doom Lite doesn't really clarify the many different Projected Futures different Doomers have for Homo Sapiens as the spin down proceeds.

I titled it Doomer Science Fiction because of course none of us truly KNOWS how it is going to end up playing itself out, it becomes an exercise in extreme speculation once the Monetary System collapses completely or Nuclear War breaks out.

The article will probably take another couple of days at least just for the Text, and another one to Dinerize properly with Graphics and Vids.  I'll fill in here with some more Presidential Debate analysis from Phil Farruggio and one of the other Cross Post Bloggers.

More Submissions from Native Diners would be Nice.  Monsta666's article was very good IMHO, we need more of that here.  I much prefer to put up Native Diner work than pull articles from the Cross Poster agreement crew.  Missing Agelbert here with his Renewable stuff. :(

On the Up Side with this article so far, I haven't lost any of it so far to the Black Hole of Computer & Internet Glitches.  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: Doomer Science Fiction
Post by: monsta666 on October 18, 2012, 06:46:26 AM
I started a new Feature Article tonight, tentatively titled Doomer Science Fiction.  The thesis of this article is to go into deeper detail to articulate the various perspectives on Doom you see in the Blogosphere beyond the Major Categories of Doom Lite, Full Doom and Uber-Doom.

The article was inspired by several of the comments made in the Panarchy & One-to-the-Many thread, where simply dividing Doomers up into the 2 categories of Full Doom & Doom Lite doesn't really clarify the many different Projected Futures different Doomers have for Homo Sapiens as the spin down proceeds.

I titled it Doomer Science Fiction because of course none of us truly KNOWS how it is going to end up playing itself out, it becomes an exercise in extreme speculation once the Monetary System collapses completely or Nuclear War breaks out.

The article will probably take another couple of days at least just for the Text, and another one to Dinerize properly with Graphics and Vids.  I'll fill in here with some more Presidential Debate analysis from Phil Farruggio and one of the other Cross Post Bloggers.

More Submissions from Native Diners would be Nice.  Monsta666's article was very good IMHO, we need more of that here.  I much prefer to put up Native Diner work than pull articles from the Cross Poster agreement crew.  Missing Agelbert here with his Renewable stuff. :(

On the Up Side with this article so far, I haven't lost any of it so far to the Black Hole of Computer & Internet Glitches.  :icon_sunny:

RE

I thought it would be useful to bring your original post in the one to many thread here so people can read it again:


One of the greatest difficulties you have once you go Full Doom as a writer on the Econoblogs is that your concerns become less worth considering by people who are concerned with more Doom Lite issues, and their concerns aren't that important to you.  Let me present a couple of examples to demonstrate how this works.


From my side as a Full Doomer, I'm not really concerned with Obama-care or Ron Paul's Presidential bid.  I know Obama-care cannot work, but more than that I know there is NO solution to the health care problem that people would consider acceptable and would work.  I'm not really concerned with whether Ron Paul becomes POTUS or not, because as a Full Doomer I don't think anything Ron Paul could do would stop or even much slow down the collapse.  If anything, if Ron Paul follows through with some of the things he has bloviated on over the years, I would expect the collapse to accelerate.  That IMHO would be a GOOD thing, so I support Ron Paul over any other dickhead out there running for POTUS, but I sure do not believe Ron Paul will solve our problems.


Not to say I don't chip in sometimes on these threads, but when I do you will find many of my remarks to be quite sarcastic, and of course I engage in my predilection for digging up Pics to make fun of the threads.  This because I do not take those threads seriously; because I don't think they are addressing the real problems.


On the opposite side of the spectrum, when a Doom Lite writer like Admin drops in on my threads, he mainly makes fun of my Doomsday ideas.  To him, considering a complete Civilization Collapse is not worthwhile, he wants to tweak and fix the current system to make it WORK again.  Kick the CONgress Critters out, do the Perp Walks with the Banksters, stop the Spending, stop exporting the Jobs, eliminate Entitlements and the FSA, let's get Amerika PRODUCTIVE again!  The Doom Lite writer sees the short term problems and wants to find a FIX for them; the Full Doom writer sees all these things as transient and unfixable problems that are precursors to other problems.


Who are Doom Lite writers here on the net?  Examples would be Jim Quinn, Karl Denninger, Mike Shedlock, Yves Smith et al.  Full Doomers are Dmitri Orlov, Jim Kunstler,  Mike Ruppert, Chris Martenson et al.  Also myself of course, and I tend to out-Doom most of them, except Dmitri my Ruskie Twin. LOL.  Doom Lite writers tend to be most concerned with the mechanics of the Monetary System Collapse; Full Doomers focus down more on the long term issues of Peak Oil and Energy.


Neither group of writers is WRONG insofar as what they are concerned with, but the timelines are different and there are differences in the types of Solutions they try to consider.  However, if you put a Doom Lite writer and a Full Doom writer on the same website at the same time, each of them will consider the other one to be somewhat ridiculous.  That is for the most part why Jim and I argue, we both see the same things insofar as the collapse is concerned, but Jim hopes for solution to the economic and political issues which I already consider impossible to manage, and the solutions I consider are far past the timeline Jim is concerned with here.  He is most worried about the world his Sons are about to inherit; I am most worried about the world a couple of generations down the line will inherit. (call them Gen Apocalypse and Gen Mad Max)


MOST people prefer Doom Lite, because it tends to offer a little more in the way of HOPIUM.  Since this website is Jim's Bully Pulpit, MOST of the people here are Doom Lite people.  There are a few Full Doomers here though, HZK is a Full Doomer, ER is a Full Doomer.  Not sure who else  though among the regular contributors is Full Doom.  Even Flash and Plubius are not Full Doomers, because both believe the Illuminati will be able to maintain control in perpetuity.  If you accept the idea that the Illuminati will be able to maintain control over society in perpetuity, you DEFINITELY are not a Full Doomer. (You can substitute and call the Illuminati an Oligarchy or Plutocracy or Krony Kapitalists, I just happen to like Illuminati as my term because it drives anti-Conspiracy Theorists NUTS. LOL)


Now that we have a better Definition of the Full Doomer and Doomer Lite philosophies we can take a look at a few of the Recurring Topics we have on TBP and briefly analyze the differing perspective of Full Doom and Doom Lite Pundits.


Topic


Doom Lite


Full Doom
Dollar & Monetary SystemWe can fix the monetary system and rehabilitate the Dollar if we STOP PRINTING, feed Helicopter Ben to the Lions, Slash Spending, allow TBTF Banks to FAIL, Incarcerate the Criminal Banksters and use Precious Metals to underpin the currency.The monetary system cannot be rehabilitated by any means, there will be a complete collapse of ALL Fiat money and financial instruments and commerce will for quite some time be mainly Barter.  PMs will only retain value in areas where there is a surplus of basic commodities.
Inflation, Hyper-Inflation, Deflation, Stagflation, DICK UP YOUR ASSFLATIONWTF CARES ANYMORE?  WE ARE TOAST NO MATTER HOW IT COLLAPSES.AGREEMENTWTF CARES ANYMORE?  WE ARE TOAST NO MATTER HOW IT COLLAPSES.AGREEMENT
EnergyTo resolve our Energy problems, we must IMMEDIATELY begin building more Nukes, Drill Baby Drill for more Local Oil and build more Hydro Plants and Wind Farms, and eventually pick up the slack from lost energy from Imported Oil sources.Lost Energy from depleted Oil is Irreplaceable and it is far too late to stop an extensive Power Down throughout society which will halt most of our Transportation methods and bring down the Electrical Grid.  Our only choice is to prepare for a Low Energy footprint in the future.
GoobermintWe can fix Da Goobermint if we Vote Out all the scumbag CONgress Critters and replace them with Honest Politicians who cannot be Bought who all demonstrate the Wisdom of the Founding Fathers and abide by the Constitution.  Said new Goobermint will be made much smaller with fewer Regulations and less Taxation, allowing Commerce to revive as the Free Market takes over.Da Goobermint is inherently unfixable and corrupt and cannot be rehabilitated via the Ballot Box.  Only a Revolution can remove the current power structure, and the results of a Revolution will likely bring a new Goobermint as bad or WORSE than the current one.  The failure of the monetary sytem and energy systems will eventually render all large scale Goobermints unable to function, with the power vacuum filled by local Warlords and Dictators in most places.
JobsWe must stop the offshoring of Productive Jobs and rebuild our Manufacturing Base in order to build an export based Mercantilist economy with a Trade Surplus.The Industrial Model is FINISHED, even if we could rebuild Factories here in the FSofA, we wouldn’t have the Oil to run them anyhow, and there won’t be anyone here or abroad who could afford the products we build with them anyhow, because of the upward spiraling cost of energy measured in EROEI.
ImmigrationWe must Seal the Borders and deport all Illegal Aliens and get FSofA Citizens to work at all the scut jobs at below Minimum Wage they currently fill to reduce Unemployment and reduce the liabilities of Aliens who are soaking up free Medical Care in the Emergency Rooms of our Hospitals.We can TRY to seal the borders and deport the Illegal Aliens, but they will just be replaced by more home grown Citizens who are falling off the economic cliff and will be just as big a drain on the Medical System.  Besides that, at least on the Border with Mejico,  it will likely create an ever growing Shooting War with a Tsunami of Wetbacks seeking to escape an even worse situation in Mejico.
Imperialism & Foreign WarsWe must STOP trying to be the World's Policeman, bring all our Boys & Girls HOME and reduce the outrageous COST of maintaining the Big Ass Military.As soon as we STOP running all our Imperialist adventures, we will basically be CUT OFF from the Foreign Oil still making its way across the Sea Lanes to our Refineries.  We also will crash just about the only type of productive thing we build here anymore, which are the Weapons of War and we will bring back a whole new crew of people to put on the Unemployment line.
Free Shit Army & 30 Blocks of SqualorWe must end all transfer payments, all Welfare, Social Security and Medicaire which are all unfunded Liabilities we cannot afford.  Former Welfare recipients will be FORCED to go back to work and become Productive Citizens rather than Useless Eaters.  Old Folks will rely on their Savings and their Extended Families to take care of them in their dotage.The minute we knock down all these social support mechanisms is the minute we turn into Egypt or Libya or all the rest of the 3rd World countries where the people with Nothing Left to Lose go BERSERK.  We don't HAVE jobs these people could do, even if they were qualified to do any job, which they are not for the most part.  Most Old Folks have no savings, and the Extended Family died back in the 1950s for the most part.  The Medical Industry as a whole would COLLAPSE without Goobermint input, putting the Doctors, Nurses and Medical Records folks on the UE lines also.


China
China will succeed long term because they are net creditors, have most of the Industrial infrastructure and have more Science and Math geniuses studying at Elite Universities.China is TOAST because of outrageous Population Overshoot, a depleted Water Supply, insufficient arable land and insufficient local supplies of remaining Fossil Fuel energy.





FINAL


SOLUTIONS
Boomers should be EXTERMINATEDPigmen should be EXTERMINATED

For those of you who do not think I can write in Brief, I think this Table destroys that argument. You cannot GET more Concise than this, 1-3 sentences from BOTH sides of every major debate we engage in here.  I challenge ANYONE here to phrase these arguments in shorter terms with less prose.  If you can do it, hats off to you, but I do not think it can be done.  What I have done here is Frame Up in Brief the CORE Arguments made in the various areas of the Collapse we mainly concern ourselves with here on TBP.  You could go to almost any Thread pursued here and drop it into one of these areas, and then further go in to look at all the Posts made in those threads and you would find they fit to one extent or another into either the Doom Lite or Full Doom perspective.  There are of course other areas of discussion and subsidiary topics based on the Newz of the Day, but in general terms these Top Ten areas cover probably 95% of the posting on TBP.  This is a WAG, I did not come up with that number Scientifically. LOL.

Now, as you go down the Table, you may find yourself to be Doom Lite in some areas, and Full Doom in others.  At the same time though, you should see how these areas inter-connect, so if you accept for instance the Energy argument of the Full Doomer, its hard not to also accept the Dollar argument.

The GAME I have here for this Rant is to do another one of my Polls of the membership.  After reading this post, do you put yourself more in the Full Doom Camp, or are you a Doom Lite kind of person?  How do you sit on the Core Issues defined here?  What is your rationale for believing one or the argument to be the better one?  Let us know your thoughts on these Core Issues.  Inquiring Minds want to Know.

Later on I added the Category of Uber Doomer to cover folks like Guy McPherson who figure this is an Extinction Level Event and NOBODY gets out alive besides maybe some Tardigrades.

Anyhow, for Diner Purposes, if you use these terms in a post, they should match up with the Categories as defined here in this article to keep the Terminology Uniform.

RE

I think this is a good post, and the way you summarised things with a table was especially good however there are few points that I disagree with on a fundamental level. In essence you seem to describe doom liters as people who are aware the current paradigm is broken but with a few fixes here and there everything will be fine (more or less). To me, I would not consider such people doomer lite as they still believe that the paradigm can be saved and so are not really a doomer. They are not however cornucopians who believe that business as usual will carry on forever. I would class such people as something between a doomer lite and cornucopian. Such people who fall in this unnamed category would be some Wall Street Occupiers or people like Ron Paul or Mish Shedlock. Those people know the paradigm is badly broken but at the same time they believe things can still be SAVED so they have not lost hope and do not think we are doomed.   

In light of this point it is my personal opinion that there is one fundamental point that full doomers and lite doomers can agree on. That is both groups believe the current paradigm is DOOMED hence the doomer moniker. However in my eyes the main difference between a full doomer and a lite doomer is the lite doomer believes with certain policy fixes and behavioural changes the worst aspects of collapse such as large scale die-offs, big wars and a breakdown of law & order and other basic public services can be averted. Now I will grant you the fact, that using this definition means there are not many full doomers in the blogosphere.

People like Chris Martenson, Michael Greer et al. are all lite doomer because while they believe the paradigm is doomed they all have their own ideas on how YOU (unlike others) can avoid the collapse. The only popular blogger I can see who maybe a full doomer is Dmitry Orlov and even his position can be debatable. This concept of saving yourself is another notable difference between you and other notable doomer liters. You, unlike them, do not pretend that if we follow YOUR personal plans of survival our chances of survival or even doing well in the chaos will be very high. You only promise that our chances are bit better if we are prepared which is another big contrast to popular bloggers.

The thing with these people is they all have a story to sell and being a full doomer is just not conductive to gaining a large audience. If one of their main goals is to gain as many readers as possible then there is a strong incentive to add rose lenses to their stories to make it more palpable to a bigger audience. There is also a certain appeal to the idea of getting one "up" on your less knowledgeable peers and getting ahead of the pack (sometimes even at the expense of others). I know you are not a person who likes to sugar coat the truth and also your message is to save as many people as you can. It is not to save yourself and get ahead of the uneducated masses by preparing an awesome doomstead that others will look at awe and envy.

In any case here is a summary of the categories which I believe is even shorter than the one you provided.  :icon_mrgreen:


Cornucopian

Protesters (thanks for the suggestion Ka)

Doomer Lite

Full Doomer

Uber Doomer

Believe there are no fundamental problems and business as usual can carry on indefinitely.

Can see some fundamental flaws in our paradigm but still believe it can be SAVED if the right polices and actions are enacted fast enough.

Believe the current paradigm is DOOMED but think the worst outcomes of collapse can be averted with the right actions.

Believe that a full scale collapse of society will occur and there will be large die-offs, war and disintegration of law and order. Various local power struggles will occur to fill the void of power left after the main central powers structures fail and lose their ability to control the masses.

Feel that not only is our paradigm doomed but also humanity itself. The problems that will come are so vast it will result in the extinction of the human race.

MSM, Government, Most J6P

Wall Street Protester, Greek/Spanish and other EU revolts, Mike Shedlock, Steve Keen

Chris Martenson, Michael Greer, Richard Heinberg

Dmitry Orlov, RE, Nicole Foss, Gail the Actuary (but seems to pose as Doom liter)

Guy McPherson


Saying all that, when we get into the nuts and bolts delving into individual issues such as how the global monetary system will fair or what are the final outcomes of China or other big matters there will be some overlap between all groups. However at their fundamental heart I believe the points I summarised above form the backbone of a person's belief structure and all their subsequent conclusions and assumptions are made with those ideas in mind.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Ka on October 18, 2012, 09:21:27 AM
Monsta666,

For your "Unnamed category (disillusioned optimist?)", how about "Protesters"?
That would cover both bloggers like Denninger and Mish, plus much of the Occupy movement, as well as the Greek et al street rioters. I am always dismayed when hearing of their demands that they don't seem to realize that there just is no more money to restore their jobs and pensions. This, of course, doesn't excuse the banksters and pols who are stealing what's left.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on October 18, 2012, 10:11:40 AM
welcome to the diner monsta. as to those in your second category -- since really it's a single-party mushroom system -- I lump them in with the cornucopians. they have no concept of orlov's senecan cliff or sfv's triangle of doom. industrial collapse is not their reality.

stoneleigh is a full doomer, she just lets you draw your own conclusions more than RE, and has chosen a different motivational tack than our man. (i once asked her in person, after dinner, how long we have to live. though it could've been just adolescent me, I felt the question was a bit of an elephant in the room all evening.  she replied, with her characteristically beatific smile, 'hopefully decades'.) same with orlov of the bugout machine. I would also include the bucolic-minded sfv in this category. (full) doom has it's own gradations,  and is anarchic. sandor over at the undertow, brilliant as he is, is imo the embodiment of doom-lite; we know that denial isn't just a doomed river in egypt. :)
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: monsta666 on October 18, 2012, 10:21:47 AM
Thanks for that pointer Ka. I think your description fits the role well better than disillusioned optimist that I posted earlier. As you and reanteben has already stated this group of people are still disillusion or at least ignorant to most issues. They are however less delusional than the full on cornucopians.
Title: Re: Doomer Science Fiction
Post by: RE on October 18, 2012, 03:37:46 PM

In any case here is a summary of the categories which I believe is even shorter than the one you provided.  :icon_mrgreen:


Nice table also.  :emthup:

OWS and Protesters are more of a Political Categorization.  A person could be OWS AND an Uber Doomer, Full Doomer, Doomer Lite or Cornucopian.  What I am doing in the latest post is developing Sub-Categories for each of those 4 main categories.  For instance so far under Cornucopians I have Techno Utopians and Amish Fusion Utopians.  Under Full Doomers I have Eloi-Morlock Techno Slavers, Mad Maxers, Pharohs and Flintstones. I won't spoil the rest of the Movie though by giving away too many more hints.  :icon_mrgreen:

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on October 18, 2012, 11:48:18 PM
These are the messages a Diner received from the Savior of the world when he decides to lurk for a while.

The free and open Forum, the uncensored breath of the fresh air of truth and freedom. 

 Thanks Dungeon Master for your understanding and threats. Does this posting qualify me to remain on your select list of Diners, or should I post something praising your wisdom ??
 


Lurking
« Sent to: Golden Oxen on: October 16, 2012, 10:45:17 PM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »

    Reply
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What's up with morphing into a Lurker?

RE


Lurking
« Sent to: Golden Oxen on: Today at 04:28:59 AM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »

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Hello.  If you do not respond to my PMs, I will take you off the Mod Squad list.

RE


Re: Lurking
« Sent to: Golden Oxen on: Today at 09:23:29 PM »

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Quote from: Golden Oxen on Today at 04:25:25 AM

    Wish I could answer, just don't know. Read your message yesterday and cannot come up with an answer. The Diner was my new home, and all of a sudden it became another broken dream, all the feelings of comradery, trust, and belonging, just disappeared? Strange, all of a sudden I was on the outside looking in.


Sad to hear you feel that way GO.  The whole F-Bomb thing was very trying of course.  I feel quite good about the board now though.  Monsta and Uncle Bob are good new Diners.

Anyhow if you feel this way in a couple of weeks I will take you off the Mod Squad.

RE
     
Diner Rights
Diner Rights
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on October 19, 2012, 12:12:43 AM
That vote of confidence made me laugh ;D

GO,
My 2cents, copper, phased out of circulation in the 80's... You would be a huge loss.
There has been some discussion re Doom Lite and Doom Heavy, I think there will be one or the other or one then the other. Lets say someone was Liquidating all their assets of plunging property and un-busy business.  Lets say they were confident enough there was enough of a chance that the pile of $ left over could soon be worth way less.

Now if there was doom lite or doom lite for a long time  a lifetime supply of things like toothpaste and lighters to swap and share would not be as good as gold coins, because you could keep living relatively well until Full Doom Heavy eventuates.

OTOH, can you tell me why not just fill a whole shipping container with toothpaste and shampoo?
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on October 19, 2012, 12:23:45 AM
Uncle Bob, Don't forget some silver for the small stuff. I think canned fish, and fruit are better choices for storage but who knows?
I am also in the Lite Doom before Doom Dark (Beck's Dark is a Good One).  Regards GO    :D
Title: Making an Offer that CANNOT be Refused
Post by: RE on October 19, 2012, 12:37:09 AM
These are the messages a Diner received from the Savior of the world when he decides to lurk for a while.

Motivational PMing to get you out of Lurkerville GO.  :icon_mrgreen:

(http://img2-2.timeinc.net/ew/img/review/011012/godfather_l.jpg)
I got no problem with you publishing it up here for the Diners to read, your choice there.  I write nothing in PM I would be embarassed to see up for Public Viewing, since I know how Copy/Paste works. LOL.

It WORKED! :P

Far as THREATS go, nothing new there, I make them all the time.  I am the GODFATHER.   :icon_mrgreen:

I just Made you an Offer you CANNOT Refuse.  LOL.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant@ Uncle Bob
Post by: Karpatok on October 19, 2012, 12:41:46 AM
I have to say, I really have to say, Who are you Masked Man? I honestly didn't want to say anything. I just wanted to lurk and nurse all my hurt and angry feelings, but you know how, you old facilitator you. You're such a breath of sanity here with all the tension and all, some of course which I am responsible for, but some good fortune seems to have sent you our way, even though of course we're all doomed, either lightly or completely. But then that's the end of the story anyway, isn't it, even if all the mismanagement and selfishness hadn't happened.And thats just what I always thought when Frost said that fire was nice but ice would suffice. Because Ice is no big deal, just a heavy, heavy drifting into slumber, and I'm very well prepared to go out on the ice flow when it's time. But still, it would be great to knock back a few and chew the fat with a real person. And I don't mean to take away anything from your calling Golden Oxen back in, I'm so glad, because I'm rather fond of him myself even though we've had our run ins. You know, you kind of get used to people and they kind of grow on you and then you miss them very much even when you didn't see eye to eye with everything. And I very much feel the same about Agelbert. I wrote to him, but he hasn't responded. Maybe youve got the right touch and can do something. And I was very fond of Peter too, but he's just such a loner and my heart goes out to him anyway because he had to construct himself.  Anyway, please go on talking , you,re a fine person and bring much,much to the table. Karpatok
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant@ Uncle Bob
Post by: RE on October 19, 2012, 01:04:11 AM
Anyway, please go on talking , you,re a fine person and bring much,much to the table. Karpatok

Thanx Xena.  As I have mentioned many times, I will keep talking writing until the Internet Goes Dark or I buy my Ticket to the Great Beyond, no worries there.

2200 words deep into Doomer Science Fiction now, and GOOD NEWZ, so far haven't lost anything to the Evil Satan of Computer and Internet Glitches!  :icon_mrgreen:

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on October 19, 2012, 01:31:30 AM
So you are Uncle BOB? Then I hope you drown in your vomit.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on October 19, 2012, 01:57:58 AM
So you are Uncle BOB? Then I hope you drown in your vomit.

Hey hang on hes not THAT smart :laugh:

I felt bad lurking when you others were despairing, I wanted to avoid the roundup because I know too well about corruption, what happens when you stand up and stand out, You need to be as happy as a pig in poop in this pen they put you in. Could not help not keeping a low profile. Im sure a lot of people are reading and not speaking and thats why. But well in for a penny in for a pound (Nigel Mansell), I think you might like the metaphysical camelshit (RE) thread. double shot espresso first.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on October 19, 2012, 02:08:06 AM
So you are Uncle BOB? Then I hope you drown in your vomit.

LOL. No I am not Doppelganging as Uncle Bob.  Just seemed to me that post was directed more at me than UB.  Pardon me if I misinterpreted.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: TO RE
Post by: Karpatok on October 19, 2012, 02:18:16 AM
YEAH. YOU WISH. Thats whats so sad. All that neediness under all that bragging..Got to make you honest yet.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: TO RE
Post by: RE on October 19, 2012, 02:23:18 AM
Got to make you honest yet.

You can't "Make Me Honest" because I already AM Honest.  I am what I am, I say what I mean and I mean what I say. End of Story.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant To RE
Post by: Karpatok on October 19, 2012, 02:25:28 AM
You forget that's what I said to Ashvin ?
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant To RE
Post by: RE on October 19, 2012, 02:31:45 AM
You forget that's what I said to Ashvin ?
I musta missed that one.  Can you flesh out how the reference applies here?

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant TO RE
Post by: Karpatok on October 19, 2012, 02:39:42 AM
Sure. Ashvin said you were dishonest and lying. I jumped in the middle and said ,I quote,"RE may be many things as are we all, however,he never lies. But you Ashvin, you lie,because you always say you are going but you never go". OK?
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant TO RE
Post by: RE on October 19, 2012, 03:10:32 AM
Sure. Ashvin said you were dishonest and lying. I jumped in the middle and said ,I quote,"RE may be many things as are we all, however,he never lies. But you Ashvin, you lie,because you always say you are going but you never go". OK?

I remember that, but it does not explain why if you believe what you wrote you think I would be lying (or in this case Doppelganing) now?  It does not explain why you think it is necessary to Keep me Honest when you already think I am Honest.

RE
Title: Re: Doomer Science Fiction
Post by: RE on October 19, 2012, 03:17:44 AM

In any case here is a summary of the categories which I believe is even shorter than the one you provided.  :icon_mrgreen:


Nice table also.  :emthup:

OWS and Protesters are more of a Political Categorization.  A person could be OWS AND an Uber Doomer, Full Doomer, Doomer Lite or Cornucopian.  What I am doing in the latest post is developing Sub-Categories for each of those 4 main categories.  For instance so far under Cornucopians I have Techno Utopians and Amish Fusion Utopians.  Under Full Doomers I have Eloi-Morlock Techno Slavers, Mad Maxers, Pharohs and Flintstones. I won't spoil the rest of the Movie though by giving away too many more hints.  :icon_mrgreen:

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OK!  Sub-Categories now all finished, now at around 2800 Words and stopping for tonight, nothing lost to the Computer Satan!  YAY!

Final Text Work 2moro tieing it all together with some Handicapping of Possibilities, then hopefully have enough time to Dinerize with Graphcis and Vids for a Weekend Publication!  Looking to come in around 3500 Words in the Final Edit on this one.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant:Love letter to RE
Post by: Karpatok on October 19, 2012, 03:47:37 AM
Because the fact that you would take what I addressed to Uncle Bob as addressed to you says that in your mind , busy late at night, anything that intimate,flattering,praising etc. would automatically be addressed to you. That you NEED to see that such a present is yours , you grab it and tear off the paper without even looking to see to whom it's addressed or what it really is saying or that it was in response to things that YOU didn't say. You didn't really read it. And you focused in on the parts at the end that were praising and discarded the rest. Showing that you needed that praise so much you would discard the rest. Why was it about You.? You are the smartest guy in the world, You don't need anybody, right? Isn't that why you are a real He Man of the American dream, up there in Alaska, doing your thing by yourself, only with somebody when in  your dreams of the past. You know almost everything,right? and you run the show. You can hire them and fire them. But this is virtual reality,not face to face. Apparently, face to face turned out to be too difficult. Better to live with dreams of the past when you need closeness. So mostly you are extremely honest. I have stuck with you and praised you for that. And you are funny and warm and also very kind sometimes. But its really hard for you to just let go and be vulnerable. No. You have to be Mr. Pallidin armed at all times,and if not Mr.Pallidin then the scary Godfather with threats of Napalm. All the while you are MR AMERICA who is so strong he can imbibe and swallow and inhale all the poisons possible without crashing. So in addition to being the smartest you are also the strongest and fighting for Immortality. How about settling for smart enough? How about accepting being just human? Like all of us. INstead of using all these ways to keep everybody at a distance .
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant:Love letter to RE
Post by: monsta666 on October 19, 2012, 04:14:15 AM
How about settling for smart enough? How about accepting being just human? Like all of us. INstead of using all these ways to keep everybody at a distance .

The reason is simple enough... If the ego is big enough then the world is not enough. As for constant armament, well one can only say there are keyboard warriors and warrior princesses everywhere you care to look. This includes the Diner. Also these warriors become more numerous if you happen to value the truth above all else or at least value it very highly. Speaking the truth has a way of biting you in the ass and there is such as thing as being "too honest" to most people. 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on October 19, 2012, 04:38:01 AM
 um ever noticed walking in on a domestic is awkward ::) belongs in pm's imo
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant:Love letter to RE
Post by: RE on October 19, 2012, 09:36:53 AM
Because the fact that you would take what I addressed to Uncle Bob as addressed to you says that in your mind , busy late at night, anything that intimate,flattering,praising etc. would automatically be addressed to you.

Gimmee a break.  In your post you wrote:

Quote from: Karpatok
And I don't mean to take away anything from your calling Golden Oxen back in, I'm so glad, because I'm rather fond of him myself even though we've had our run ins.

Uncle Bob didn't call GO back in, I did that.  Despite the fact you addressed the post to UB, you thanked him for something I did.

Now back to  our regularly scheduled confusion.

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Title: Re: Doomer Science Fiction
Post by: RE on October 19, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
OK! I just finished adding all the Graphics and Multimedia to this article, making it my most VISUALLY STUNNING article to date, if I do say so myself, and I do. LOL.  :icon_mrgreen:  I also located a great Soundtrack and Video accompaniment to the piece for a real Slam Bang Diner Feature Presentation!

I haven't finished the text yet, and I got a lot of Cleanup to do of typos also.  Projected Publication is for Sunday Morning for Sunday Brunch Reading on your Tablet with Eggs Benedict and a Bloody Mary.  Invite in some Newbies to sample the best Doom Picture Show EVER on the World Wide Web!

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Title: Sayonara Newzweek
Post by: RE on October 21, 2012, 09:09:32 PM
Can't say I am really depressed to hear about the demise of another MSM News Propaganda Organ like Newzweek, but it really is amazing to me to watch as these iconographic publications I remember from my youth on the Newzstands disappear one by one off the face of the earth.

Yea, Newzweek is supposedly gonna continue on here a while as a Digital Only publication on the net, but I suspect at this point Newzhound Joe will surpass their readership in no time. LOL.

At one time, you couldn't mention a Newz Magazine without putting "Time & Newzweek" in the same sentence.  Alas for Newzweek, they apparently got ignored in the Mergers & Acquisitions by the Big Media Companies and were left hung out to dry.

Speaking of which, have any of you picked up a copy of Scientific American in the last coupla years?  What a sad facsimile that is of what it once was.  It's not even as good as Discovery magazine.

Then of course also, Brittanica is now gone to the Great Beyond as well.  When the Internet Goes Dark, you best have a good Memory here.  The only way the knowledge is going to get passed on is through Oral Tradition and Story telling.

I'll keep writing here on the net though until it goes dark, and HOPE that someone will remember and retell the Stories of Reverse Engineer who Lived Once Upon a Time in the Age of Oil around the Campfire somewhere.

RE

Newsweek's Move To Digital: The Death Of Print, Or Just The Death Of Newsweek? (http://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewbender/2012/10/20/newsweeks-move-to-digital-the-death-of-print-or-just-the-death-of-newsweek/)


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Sayonara, Newsweek in print. (Image credit: Getty Images North America via @daylife)

“We are transitioning Newsweek, not saying goodbye to it.” So read the announcement that the 80-year-old magazine will cease print publication at the end of this year and move to an all-digital format, from Tina Brown and Baba Shetty, respectively founder/editor-in-chief and CEO of the Newsweek Daily Beast Co.

The new publication, to be called Newsweek Global, will operate on a paid subscription basis and be distributed via tablets and the internet. Reactions ran from “it’s about time” to hand-wringing over the death of print as a medium.

Some history first: Newsweek was founded in 1933, and by the 1960s, when it was purchased by the Washington Post Company, it had become what former Newsweek staffer (and current Huffington Post editorial director) Howard Fineman calls “innovative, eminent and influential as any news organization in America or the world.”

Newsweek‘s circulation hovered around 3.1 million between 2001 and 2007, but beginning in 2008, it declined steeply, the magazine’s debt mounted, and complaints rose that the magazine had lost its focus. By 2010, circulation had fallen to below 1.8 million.

Enter Sidney Harman, a nonagenarian, multimillionaire stereo and car navigation equipment mogul described by the New York Times as having “virtually no media experience.” In 2010, Harman purchased the magazine from the Post for $1 plus an assumption of Newsweek‘s $47 million debt. Shortly thereafter, it affiliated with Brown’s Daily Beast, at that time a two-year-old upstart news site. Harman died the following year, and Shetty became CEO just weeks ago. Meanwhile, circulation has continued to slip; as of June 2012, it was around 1.57 million (statistics courtesy of the Audit Bureau of Circulations).

Clearly the status quo was not sustainable, but was the shift to digital-only the right solution? That depends on who you ask. “We have reached a tipping point at which we can most efficiently and effectively reach our readers in all-digital format,” wrote Brown and Shetty in their announcement. “This was not the case just two years ago. It will increasingly be the case in the years ahead.”

Andrew Sullivan, whose influential Dish blog appears on the Daily Beast, wrote that he had advised management to make this change years ago. “Part of me has come to see physical magazines and newspapers as, at this point, absurd,” he wrote, noting that nobody under 30 reads magazines in print anymore. Newspapers and magazines, he wrote, “are like Wile E Coyote suspended three feet over a cliff for a few seconds. They’re still there; but there’s nothing underneath; and the plunge is vast and steep.”

Felix Salmon of Reuters is nowhere near as sanguine about Newsweek Global. “The chances that Newsweek will succeed as a digital-only subscription-based publication are exactly zero,” he wrote. “There’s no demand for a digital Newsweek, and there’s no reason, either, to carve off some chunk of the NewsBeast newsroom, call it ‘Newsweek’, and put its journalism onto a platform where almost nobody is going to read it.”

Meanwhile, running alongside Brown’s and Shetty’s announcement on the Daily Beast, a “Stories We Like” sidebar touted titles including “What Your Favorite Food Says About Your Sex Life” and “ How to Use the Toilet When Your Girl’s Around.” Although this last one was admittedly enlightening, something tells me these wouldn’t have run in Newsweek.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant It's About Time We Blew The Whistle
Post by: Golden Oxen on October 22, 2012, 04:45:31 AM
and told our walkabout Diners to get back here ASAP. Agelbert, El'G, EndisNigh, Peter and Surly, Ross, you are all sorely missed as well as many I might have forgotten. Once a Diner always a Diner, get back here soon.   :icon_sunny:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant It's About Time We Blew The Whistle
Post by: Surly1 on October 22, 2012, 11:28:32 AM
and told our walkabout Diners to get back here ASAP. Agelbert, El'G, EndisNigh, Peter and Surly, Ross, you are all sorely missed as well as many I might have forgotten. Once a Diner always a Diner, get back here soon.   :icon_sunny:

Thanks for the kind mention, GO. Back from a nine day trip up into NY state, visiting fam and friends. came back with some good ideas and new enthusiasms, but will probably need a day or two to get things organized in the workfront and homefront, as there is a lot going on. But it's nice to be back at the diner, if even for the top 20 posts or so-- I even recognize the stains on the walls from previous food fights.

And I guess that dark stain on the floor is where f-bomb melted?

Look for some new articles as soon as I gin up the time.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on October 22, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
Welcome home Surly!    :icon_sunny:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on October 22, 2012, 11:47:12 AM
welcome back ox. welcome back surly.  :icon_sunny:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on October 22, 2012, 11:52:06 AM
welcome back ox. welcome back surly.  :icon_sunny:

Thank's Ben,  PERRY needed some company so we are back.   ;D ;D ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: reanteben on October 22, 2012, 01:18:03 PM
welcome back ox. welcome back surly.  :icon_sunny:

Thank's Ben,  PERRY needed some company so we are back.   ;D ;D ;D :laugh:

yeah good to see pol pot perry's not down in the dumps anymore. caring for the brood can be a thankless job.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Hpz66RYD110&fs=1

(btw ox I felt for you the other week, felt your pain.)




Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Markets Looking To Tank Again This Morning
Post by: Golden Oxen on October 23, 2012, 06:31:19 AM
Horrific selling across the entire spectrum. Stocks, Oil, Commodities, Gold all looking sharply lower at opening bell! ::)
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on October 23, 2012, 08:44:37 AM
Dow down 250, markets getting creamed world wide. After last weeks debacle it is starting to get real nasty. Bad news for Obama if it continues, but who knows.      :-\
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Snowleopard on October 23, 2012, 02:16:25 PM
Dow down 250, markets getting creamed world wide. After last weeks debacle it is starting to get real nasty. Bad news for Obama if it continues, but who knows.      :-\

Some think that "Mr Market" is offsetting higher taxes under Obama 2 and this forecasts an Obama win.  Others think it just means Obama won the last "debate".  Personally, I  am unsure of the usefullness of current markets in forecasting or evaluating puppet shows or (s)elections.
Title: Grasping Reality
Post by: RE on October 24, 2012, 10:31:02 PM
I was going to spend more time fleshing out the Gold arguments tonight after Monsta's Monster Gold Article, but I started last night on a new Feature Article, tentatively titled Grasping Reality.  It follows up on themes in the last two Features, the Panarchy one and the Doom Taxonomy one as an informal 3 part series..  It's a complicated post to write trying to bring together many themes and historical progress toward the collapse as well.  I'll probably spend most of my writing time tonight on this so not sure I will write more Gold analysis tonight.

I also have some other articles to get formatted and spruced up for Publication, hunt down graphics and vids, check in on all the Blogs and scan Google Newz to make sure I don't miss any Juicy Doom Storiez.

No rest for the weary Doom Admin.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on October 24, 2012, 11:14:46 PM
Good move 1500 odd reads on gold thread = Metal fatigue. wavering readers need to think more about getting TFOD than getting rich short term.
Title: Bye Bye Gallaghers
Post by: RE on October 25, 2012, 09:31:13 PM
A favorite Steakhouse of mine in the NY Shity years, now Gone to the Great Beyond.

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Iconic NY Steakhouse "Gallagher's", Which Survived The Great Depression, Is Closing (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-25/iconic-ny-steakhouse-gallaghers-which-survived-great-depression-closing)
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/25/2012 15:38 -0400


Great DepressionNew York Cityrecovery


The Department of Labor's WARN (Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification) website may have been exempt from layoff notices related to the fiscal cliff, but it still provides a sufficiently (bleak) complete picture about the real nature of layoffs and business cycle in general in America's busiest city. Which is why it was precisely using the WARN website that we learned that one of New York's most historic steakhouses, "NY's Prime Steakhouse since 1927" Gallagher's, located on 52nd street, and which survive the great depression, is shutting down on January 16. Surely neither the surging price of meat, nor the ability of patrons to spend charge $46.95 for an 18 ounce sirloin, has had any impact on the decision to close this iconic restuarant which survived the Great Depression, but failed to survive Tim Geithner's "recovery".

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/10/Gallaghers%20photo.jpg)

From WARN:

Date of Notice: 10/23/2012                                                                             

 

Control Number: 2012-0085

 

Rapid Response Specialist :  Edwidge Michel

 

Reason Stated for Filing:   Plant Closing

 

Company: Gallagher's New York Steakhouse, Inc.

228 West 52nd Street

New York, NY  10019

County:  New York | WIB Name: NEW YORK CITY| Region: New York City

Contact: Angie Michalopoulos                                                     

Phone:  (212) 245-5336

Business Type:     Restaurant

Number Affected:   92

Total Employees:    92

Layoff Date:  -----               

Closing Date:  1/16/2013 

Reason for Dislocation:     Economic

ERNUM:   -----

Union:  UNITE HERE Local 100   

Classification:   Plant Closing

Welcome to the "recovery" in which there is no inflation, unless you dare to eat, and where cash flow grow on Magic Money Trees (MMT), reaching everywhere but where it is supposed to. Oh, and where the government creates wealth. Lots and lots of wealth. And where cash cows are served medium rare.

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/10/Gallaghers.jpg)

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on October 25, 2012, 09:57:32 PM
What a coincidence RE.

Just e-mailed this yesterday to a close friend who moved away years ago.

The best of Boston closed this week also, The world famous Locke Ober. A sad day for patrons.

Speaks volumes about our economic recovery!

Tucked away down a small alley in the heart of bustling Downtown Boston, Locke-Ober, one of the city’s oldest restaurants, quietly shut down Saturday night, with no notice except a sign on the door thanking its loyal patrons and another stating, “Sorry, we are closed.”

The landmark Boston restaurant, which opened in 1875, was long a meeting place where the city’s power brokers made their deals and internationally known political luminaries like Henry Kissinger and Bill Clinton made appearances. In the heyday of Locke-Ober, the dark, stately dining room would be abuzz with patrons savoring their thick-cut steaks and signature lobster stew.

www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/10/22/boston-landmark-restaurant-locke-ober-closes-quietly-and-indefinitely/noCSWIw0yMxpzRehc6gJwI/story.html (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/10/22/boston-landmark-restaurant-locke-ober-closes-quietly-and-indefinitely/noCSWIw0yMxpzRehc6gJwI/story.html)
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Title: Re: Grasping Reality/Tall Tales of Paul Bunyan
Post by: RE on October 26, 2012, 01:04:34 AM
OK, I finished the next Feature Article, now retitled "Tall Tales of Paul Bunyan" instead of "Grasping Reality".  It comes in at a whopping 5145 Words, though not all mine as it incorporates some extensive quotes from other authors.

Like the last 2 in this Informal Series, I also did the Full Dinerizing with many Graphics and a Soundtrack also.  In this case, the Soundtrack is from Alannis Morrisset, "Isn't it Ironic?"

Publication for this one will come on Sat Morning, for Weekend Dinering.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Internet Ad Technology GOES NUTS!
Post by: RE on October 29, 2012, 03:16:51 AM
I have been surfing the net tonight for stories about the Frankenstorm, and got hit over the head with a phenomena which has been growing for a while, but now is OUTTA CONTROL!

On all sorts of Websites, INCLUDING Zero Hedge, the Web Geeks are now throwing out Ads that consume the ENTIRE SCREEN and pop up willy nilly while you read, forcing you to close them which ain't always easy to do especially on the Tablets.

Everybody is trying to make this geeat Internet Technology PAY OFF with SALES!  Meanwhile, it is practically impossible to read some websites because you get so innundated with these Pop Ups, and Zero Hedge is one of them.  Besides the fact the content there is deteriorating, this makes ZH just awful to read these days.

I don't know about anybody else, but I NEVER click on any of these Pop Ups, the only thing zi clisk on is the Close button assuming I can find it.  If I can't, I just close the whole Browser Window and don't bother going back to that site.

The Internet as an Information Dispersal Medium is on its last legs now.  Trying to draw money out of people who have none to spend through Advertising just won't WORK.

At least the Diner here is still Ad and Pop Up FREE.  However, it is getting darn hard to dig up information to fill Diner Pages with without getting bombarded with these Pop Ups!

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on October 29, 2012, 04:20:34 AM
No kidding, "trying to draw money out of people with none to spend through ads wont work". Look at the facebook shares float fiasco. Dont know about others but for me DD pages are taking a long time to load up now, but worth the wait.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on October 29, 2012, 04:36:24 AM
Agreed.

The phrase "trying to beat blood from a turnip" comes to mind.
Title: Re: Internet Ad Technology GOES NUTS!
Post by: Golden Oxen on October 29, 2012, 05:31:21 AM
I have been surfing the net tonight for stories about the Frankenstorm, and got hit over the head with a phenomena which has been growing for a while, but now is OUTTA CONTROL!

On all sorts of Websites, INCLUDING Zero Hedge, the Web Geeks are now throwing out Ads that consume the ENTIRE SCREEN and pop up willy nilly while you read, forcing you to close them which ain't always easy to do especially on the Tablets.

Everybody is trying to make this geeat Internet Technology PAY OFF with SALES!  Meanwhile, it is practically impossible to read some websites because you get so innundated with these Pop Ups, and Zero Hedge is one of them.  Besides the fact the content there is deteriorating, this makes ZH just awful to read these days.

I don't know about anybody else, but I NEVER click on any of these Pop Ups, the only thing zi clisk on is the Close button assuming I can find it.  If I can't, I just close the whole Browser Window and don't bother going back to that site.

The Internet as an Information Dispersal Medium is on its last legs now.  Trying to draw money out of people who have none to spend through Advertising just won't WORK.

At least the Diner here is still Ad and Pop Up FREE.  However, it is getting darn hard to dig up information to fill Diner Pages with without getting bombarded with these Pop Ups!

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It really is getting unbearable, Zero hedge used to have great content but was always an annoying sight to navigate.
All the news videos and music videos are now inundated with ads you can no longer shut off or skip, a real problem.

What gives these pigs the right or authority to invade our lives like this and why the hell do we put up with it. Television is no longer feasible for me outside of the business channels which I must watch. Cannot stand the ads any longer.

Have had to spend a sizeable sum of money to purchase a DVD collection over the last five years to get rid of the advertisement poisoning of my brain, and the Friggin DVDs are loaded with ads now, but at least you can skip over them.

Just got the complete sets of Inspector Lewis and Inspector Morse at a great price on EBay. Nothing like a two hour TV show without 40 ad interruptions. You can get the old Twilight Zone and Alfred Hitchcock shows in Black and White for practically nothing and thy are still great entertainment.
 
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Title: Re: Internet Ad Technology GOES NUTS!
Post by: Ka on October 29, 2012, 09:05:20 AM
I have been surfing the net tonight for stories about the Frankenstorm, and got hit over the head with a phenomena which has been growing for a while, but now is OUTTA CONTROL!

On all sorts of Websites, INCLUDING Zero Hedge, the Web Geeks are now throwing out Ads that consume the ENTIRE SCREEN and pop up willy nilly while you read, forcing you to close them which ain't always easy to do especially on the Tablets.
...

In addition, there is the problem of scripts hanging up. But there is a solution of sorts to both, at least if you're using Firefox, and that is to get the NoScript add-on. After installing it, most of those popups don't appear. For those sites where you need to use scripts (like for buying things, or any where you need to choose from menus or whatever) you can allow scripts for that site. You can also turn off the NoScript temporarily if need be. Anyway, I got it, and can once more read ZH (what a thrill). There is also an add-on called Flashblock, which stops all those flash advertisements. However, it does mean an extra click is required to view videos.
Title: Subway Swan Song
Post by: RE on November 01, 2012, 01:58:51 AM
OK, I have been working most of the night on Subway Swan Song, and am past 3000 words deep into it. It is shaping up as a Fusion Post of Current Collapse Theory, History and Autobio from RE.  It is also as a result shaping up to be a good deal LONGER than I thought it would when I outlined it in my head yesterday, and I am not sure I can finish even just the Text tomorrow, much less Dinerizing it properly with the requisite Graphics and Vids.  So it may not Debut on Friday, but more likely Saturday or Sunday.

In the meantime, some Coming Attractions:

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When it gets serious, you have to lie.- Jean-Claude Juncker

JCJ, Prime Minister of Luxemborg and President of the Euro Group made this statement with respect to the Economic Hurricane which made its first landfall in Greece, and has since swept across all of southern Europe over the last 2 years.  In the aftermath of Frankenstorm Snor'eastercane Sandy,  these words of Political Wisdom are being followed to the letter by everyone from Power Company Executives to Mayors; from Goobernators to the POTUS.

The first most obvious lie is that power will be restored to most of the affected customers inside 4 days or so. Goobernator Chris Christie said a one week timeline for power restoration was "Unacceptable".  Well, after about 3 days here, there are still some 6M customers around the region still without power, so I guess CC will be Spanking the responsible repairmen when power is still not up at the end of the week?

The next obvious lie is that Plucky New Yawkers and the Bridge and Tunnel crowd are picking up the pieces here and gettting back to BAU.  Only true if you consider BAU to be Looting Pharmacies and waiting on Mile Long lines for Gas to fill your portable generator.

The BIGGEST and MOST OBVIOUS LIE is that these folks are going the get the NY Shity Subway System and Tunnels that connect Wall Street to Long Island, the Mainland in New Jersey and Upper Manhattan back into service inside a couple of weeks.  This is so ludicrous a claim it is astonishing, first that they make it, and second that anybody really believes this.

All 10 Tunnels and the train stations in this neighborhood are Flooded Track to CeilDifference is of course NOLA HAD big pumps in place to be pumping water up and out all the time, no such massive pumping stations exist in Lower Manhattan.

After Irene struck last year, a Columbia University professor did a study which indicated it would take around a MONTH to pump out the Tunnels if they had flooded, which they did not after Irene, but did this time with Sandy. Even assuming they can accomplish this project inside a month, that is a full month of time with all the electrical connections and relays submerged in Salt Water. How well do you think your I-pad would function after a month submerged in Sea Water? All the relays, all the wiring, all the transformers, all the switches, EVERYTHING will need to be replaced.ing.  We are not talking 3 or 4 Feet of standing water here, we are talking 20' of standing water all BELOW SEA LEVEL that has to be pumped UP and Out to Sea.  The Underground Network there is basically an Underground City unto itself, nearly the size of NOLA.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on November 02, 2012, 02:09:50 AM
Being completely submerged is not so bad for corrosion as parts being exposed to air as the  water goes down or is pumped out, that accelerates the process. every nut or bolt exposed to salt air or submersion puts up a  big fight to be undone or breaks.

another question is whether the streets outside are clear of water and stormwater drains before you pump out the water, in other words it has to have somewhere to go, pumping into tankers to truck out would not be an option for the volume.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on November 02, 2012, 02:32:13 AM
Being completely submerged is not so bad for corrosion as parts being exposed to air as the  water goes down or is pumped out, that accelerates the process. every nut or bolt exposed to salt air or submersion puts up a  big fight to be undone or breaks.

another question is whether the streets outside are clear of water and stormwater drains before you pump out the water, in other words it has to have somewhere to go, pumping into tankers to truck out would not be an option for the volume.

Notice that thus far there has been ZERO video or pics of Water being pumped out of Tunnels we KNOW were filled Track to Ceiling with Water.  4 days after Katrina, you saw the Big Pumps going into action.

I cover this in Subway Swan Song.  Saturday Morning Publication.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: whoneedsacleanroom on November 02, 2012, 11:29:40 AM
CyPm here, re-registered for ease of use all lower case.  Glad to see Surly and Surly-ette are fine after the wrath of Sandy. My very stoic NY fam seems fine at this point.  Hope they had the good sense to tank up at the least, stock up food at best.  Took less than 3 days to hear the 1% start to grumble....Sandy is the great equalizer :O
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on November 02, 2012, 02:05:51 PM
Glad to have you back! We're fine!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on November 07, 2012, 12:48:36 AM
As of friday last week I am no longer working, other than working on liquidating and bugging out. So today as I was in the area I dropped in on the business of a guy I hadnt seen for about 2 years. So chatting for quite a while, and as I could see no evidence of activity of the old line of work in importing and onselling chinese machinery, and as there had been no mention of what he was currently doing, I eventually asked.

Now as everyone knows, I am always angry about the environment and pollution. So he gave me his new business card without saying a word COAL SUPPLY ASIA. "Supplying coal, Isnt that something mining companies do?" I asked. Yeah you got it, he said. He had bought 12 million dollars worth of coal. Shocked, I did my swearing silently on the inside and said I had to go soon after.

Realistically I know somebody is going to do this dirty business no matter what, If he doesnt soeone else will. Bur why not invest that money in renewable energy. It just amazes me how little anyone cares about the environment and pollution and its effects.
Title: Oil Exec named Archbishop of Canterbury
Post by: RE on November 09, 2012, 03:39:19 AM
File this under OMFG.  Along with Lloyd Blankfein, Oil Execs are doing "God's Work".  Thomas Beckett of the 21st Century.

(http://img2-3.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/110418/Beckett-OToole-Burton_610.jpg)

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Former Oil Executive Appointed as Archbishop of Canterbury (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/world/europe/bishop-of-durham-appointed-as-archbishop-of-canterbury.html?_r=0)
 
By ALAN COWELL and JOHN F. BURNS
 
Published: November 9, 2012


LONDON — The bishop of Durham, Justin Welby — a former oil company executive who once said he was unable to escape “a sense of God calling” — was named on Friday as the new archbishop of Canterbury, the spiritual head of the Church of England and the world’s estimated 77 million Anglicans, who are facing deep divisions over same-sex marriage and the elevation of women priests to the senior clergy.


He replaces the Most Rev. Rowan Williams, who announced in March that he would step down at the end of the year, saying his successor should have “the constitution of an ox and the skin of a rhinoceros.” His appointment was announced by the office of Prime Minister David Cameron.

Though the appointment of a successor was supposed to be secret, word leaked out this week that Bishop Welby had been chosen, prompting bookmakers to close their books after an avalanche of bets on him. His name emerged after tortuous negotiations within the Church of England with frequent reports of deadlock and disagreement over the appointment of a successor to Archbishop Williams.

Bishop Welby, 56, who will be the 105th archbishop of Canterbury, is said to have been chosen over three other leading contenders: the archbishop of York, John Sentamu; the bishop of Norwich, Graham Jones; and the bishop of London, Richard Chartres. Bishop Welby is regarded as an evangelical conservative in opposing same-sex marriage, but he is also said to take a more liberal position on the ordination of female bishops, favoring the elevation of women to senior church positions.

Like Prime Minister Cameron and other members of the British elite, including the royal family, Bishop Welby was educated at Eton College. He went on to study law and history at Cambridge University before working for 11 years in the treasury departments of the French Elf Aquitaine oil company and later of a British exploration company, Enterprise Oil.

After his youngest daughter, Johanna, was killed in a car crash in 1983, he said, “It was a very dark time for my wife, Caroline, and myself, but in a strange way it actually brought us closer to God.” They have five other children.

His rise through the church ranks has been widely described as meteoric. He began his training as a priest in 1987 and was made a deacon in 1992.

In an interview published in September in Money Marketing, a British financial newspaper, Bishop Welby said he had abandoned the oil industry in favor of the church because “I was unable to get away from a sense of God calling.”

He has a reputation as self-deprecating. At a news conference on Friday, he called his appointment “astonishing and exciting” and “something I never expected.”

He added: “I’m utterly optimistic about the future of the church.”Before becoming bishop of Durham, he worked in the British Midlands as a parish priest and at the Anglican cathedral in Liverpool in the northwest.

He also led church organizations devoted to mediation and reconciliation in conflict zones, traveling to northern Nigeria, Kenya, Burundi and the Middle East. He said the experience had given him a “passion for reconciliation.”His visits to Africa also gave him firsthand contact with African Anglicans who are generally held to be far more conservative on gender and gay issues than some of their Western counterparts, particularly in the United States where Episcopalians are deeply divided.

Archbishop Williams has spent much of his time as archbishop of Canterbury trying to avoid an open schism but he acknowledged publicly in March that “there are some conflicts that won’t go away, however long you struggle with them.” Not everybody “in the Anglican Communion or even in the Church of England is eager to avoid schism or separation,” he said.

Bishop Welby was made Bishop of Durham — the fourth-ranking bishopric in the hierarchy — only a year ago.

His experience both in business and conflict resolution represent a marked departure from his predecessor’s background as a theologian and poet.

Earlier this year, as a member of the upper House of Lords, to which Anglican bishops are routinely appointed, Bishop Welby joined a parliamentary panel scrutinizing the behavior of British banks. He is known as an opponent of corporate excess and has been critical of banks.

Speaking at a conference in Zurich, according to a financial Web site, he described banks as “exponents of anarchy” before the financial crisis in 2008 because they pursued “activity without purpose.”

The Financial Times reported on Friday that, as archbishop of Canterbury, he would remain on the parliamentary panel examining banking ethics.

In June, Bishop Welby told The Mail on Sunday newspaper that his father, Gavin Welby, had made a living as a bootlegger during Prohibition in the United States after the bishop’s grandmother had sent him to America. “I remember my father telling me she gave him five pounds and put him on a boat,” he was quoted as saying. “He said he went to New York in 1929 and traded whiskey.”

According to biographies in British newspapers, Gavin Welby later moved in the same circles as the Kennedy family before returning to Britain and marrying a private secretary to Winston Churchill, Jane Portal, who became Bishop Welby’s mother.

The announcement is the first of several steps leading to Bishop Welby’s consecration as archbishop, including formal approval by Queen Elizabeth II, the titular head of the Church of England, endorsement by the college of canons at Canterbury Cathedral and his enthronement there.

Archbishop Williams has said he plans to become Master of Magdalene College at Cambridge University in January.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on November 09, 2012, 04:03:34 AM
Seems only fitting, doncha think?
Title: Oil Exec Comes to Jesus
Post by: RE on November 10, 2012, 02:28:03 AM
More Bio on the Oil Exec who Came to Jesus.  Mom was Private Secretary for Winston Churchill.  Eton Prep School, Trinity College of Cambridge University, the WORKS! Can-U-Spell ILLUMINATI?

RE

Who is new Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby? (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2012/1109/Who-is-new-Archbishop-of-Canterbury-Justin-Welby)

As a former oil executive turned Anglican bishop, the new archbishop followed an atypical path to leadership of the Church of England.

 By Ben Quinn, Correspondent / November 9, 2012

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02392/bish_2392060a.jpg)

Justin Welby, the bishop of Durham and newly appointed Archbishop of Canterbury, speaks to the media during a news conference at Lambeth Palace in London today.

Dylan Martinez/Reuters

As a former student of elite Eton College – just like the current prime minister and generations of other senior figures in British public life – the new Archbishop of Canterbury comes with some impeccable establishment credentials.
 
Are you smarter than an atheist? A religious quiz


Can a former oil executive hold together the Anglican Church?

While his mother had been Winston Churchill’s private secretary, business is also in the blood: He is the son of a businessman who traded in whiskey during America’s prohibition years and later worked for a company that survived the ban by selling communion wine.

Born in London in 1956, Justin Portal Welby studied law and history at Trinity College, in Cambridge, England, after the initial schooling that made him an "Old Etonian."


Are you smarter than an atheist? A religious quiz.

A career in the oil industry beckoned and he spent 11 years in the sector as a senior executive, based in Paris and London. He worked on projects in the North Sea and the Niger Delta, gaining a familiarity that would come in useful in later years as a cleric traveling to the West African reaches of the Anglican Communion, Nigeria.

In 1983, his seven-month-old, first-born daughter was killed in a car crash, leading to "a very dark time" for him and his wife. But it also "bought us closer to God," he has said.

He left behind his career in business in 1987 to train an Anglican priest, later telling business magazine Money Marketing "I was unable to get away from a sense of God calling."

He became a deacon in 1992 after taking a degree in theology, serving later as a curate in the Coventry diocese and was made a rector in 1995 before being made a canon at Coventry Cathedral in 2002.

At Coventry, he was involved in international conflict resolution before becoming dean of Liverpool in 2007. He was elevated to the fourth most senior post in the Church of England in November 2011, when he became the bishop of Durham.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Oil Exec Turns To Jesus
Post by: Golden Oxen on November 10, 2012, 02:43:54 AM
@Reply RE,  He seems like a decent guy RE, give him a break. The tragic death of his 7 month old daughter probably had much to do with his answering the call of Jesus.

Jesus beckons to the wealthy as well as the poor, and St Joseph the carpenter taught us work is good and part of life.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Oil Exec Turns To Jesus
Post by: RE on November 10, 2012, 03:13:07 AM
@Reply RE,  He seems like a decent guy RE, give him a break. The tragic death of his 7 month old daughter probably had much to do with his answering the call of Jesus.

Jesus beckons to the wealthy as well as the poor, and St Joseph the carpenter taught us work is good and part of life.

Yea OK.  I'm sure the fact his Mom was Winston Churchill's Secretary AND he went to Eton AND Trinity College of Cambridge University is pure Coinkidink here, along with the fact he was a major Oil Executive and just got appointed as the MOST POWERFUL Bishop in the Anglican Church as well.  All because his 7 month old daughter Tagically Died.  Yea, OK.

You can buy this shit, I don't.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on November 10, 2012, 03:22:51 AM
Pure Coinkidink also that the CofE is right now radically revising its old traditional doctrines and practices to be more progressive.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Oil Exec Turns To Jesus
Post by: Golden Oxen on November 10, 2012, 03:43:31 AM
@Reply RE,  He seems like a decent guy RE, give him a break. The tragic death of his 7 month old daughter probably had much to do with his answering the call of Jesus.

Jesus beckons to the wealthy as well as the poor, and St Joseph the carpenter taught us work is good and part of life.

Yea OK.  I'm sure the fact his Mom was Winston Churchill's Secretary AND he went to Eton AND Trinity College of Cambridge University is pure Coinkidink here, along with the fact he was a major Oil Executive and just got appointed as the MOST POWERFUL Bishop in the Anglican Church as well.  All because his 7 month old daughter Tagically Died.  Yea, OK.

You can buy this shit, I don't.

RE

I know where you are coming from RE and tend to very cynical in nature myself. There is such a thing a too much cynicism however.
You will notice the Bishop appears to allude to the fact he tried to turn his back on Jesus, but couldn't. That admission, and the knowledge that a calling to serve Jesus is something many devout and good people have testified to is enough for me. Being wealthy and from an influential family, nor working for an oil, company does not disqualify someone from answering the call.

Look at our own Ashvin, a brilliant scholar who would most likely be a great success in any endeavor he decided to pursue, relentlessly and lovingly serving Jesus with his time and energy. We know from his works at TAE that he has intimate insights into the world of finance as well.

You are being too harsh on the new Bishop and have no justification in my opinion.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Oil Exec Turns To Jesus
Post by: RE on November 10, 2012, 04:15:11 AM
Look at our own Ashvin, a brilliant scholar who would most likely be a great success in any endeavor he decided to pursue, relentlessly and lovingly serving Jesus with his time and energy. We know from his works at TAE that he has intimate insights into the world of finance as well.

You are being too harsh on the new Bishop and have no justification in my opinion.

Your Opinion has been Duly Noted and Filed.

Regardless, Watson has turned a very good set of circuitry in his brain to circumlocute argumets that have little basis in realiity and really are little more than Navel Contemplation.  He hasn't written anything on a Geopolitical or economic level in MONTHS now worth discussing.  I tend to avoid his Pitcures of Christ thread here for the most part because it just lacks any connection to the realities we actually face here in the spin down. endless Navel Contemplation.   I finally did jump in because the cockamamie idea that ONLY the Sun and its associated Solar System is capable of supporting life is completely ridiculous.

You got your own set of notions I find completely absurd as well, a blind FAITH in Gold as Money primarily.  I get tired of knocking down those concepts also,, when generally all I get back is Alfred E. Newman Graphics.

I state my position clearly, and I make a case always for it without dropping down to the Gaphics Wars as long as possible.  However, endless Biblical Quores are not a lot different than Alfred E. Newman graphics either.  confronted with this stuff, mainly these days I just choose to ignore it all.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Oil Exec Turns To Jesus
Post by: Surly1 on November 10, 2012, 05:13:29 AM
Look at our own Ashvin, a brilliant scholar who would most likely be a great success in any endeavor he decided to pursue, relentlessly and lovingly serving Jesus with his time and energy. We know from his works at TAE that he has intimate insights into the world of finance as well.

You are being too harsh on the new Bishop and have no justification in my opinion.

Your Opinion has been Duly Noted and Filed.

Regardless, Watson has turned a very good set of circuitry in his brain to circumlocute argumets that have little basis in realiity and really are little more than Navel Contemplation.  He hasn't written anything on a Geopolitical or economic level in MONTHS now worth discussing.  I tend to avoid his Pitcures of Christ thread here for the most part because it just lacks any connection to the realities we actually face here in the spin down. endless Navel Contemplation.   I finally did jump in because the cockamamie idea that ONLY the Sun and its associated Solar System is capable of supporting life is completely ridiculous.

You got your own set of notions I find completely absurd as well, a blind FAITH in Gold as Money primarily.  I get tired of knocking down those concepts also,, when generally all I get back is Alfred E. Newman Graphics.

I state my position clearly, and I make a case always for it without dropping down to the Gaphics Wars as long as possible.  However, endless Biblical Quores are not a lot different than Alfred E. Newman graphics either.  confronted with this stuff, mainly these days I just choose to ignore it all.

RE

RE, In your earlier post you stated that the new archbishop was almost certainly a member of the illuminati. And with his credentials, who could gainsay you? He may well be. On the other hand, what Golden Oxen says is incontrovertibly true: the fact that he is from a rich and influential family does not necessarily disqualify him from answering a call.

I will content myself with a little Matthew 7:16: "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?"  In time we will know the servant by his fruits.

As regards gold, who gives a fark? GO is long gold; I'm long potatoes.  After the collapse of the great Ponzi, his gold will be negotiable as long as he can continue to hold onto it. Implicitly, he's making a bet on some level of order surviving the collapse. Personally I'm less optimistic, and doing my best to plan accordingly.

No need to be so damn petulant.

And as regards our friend Ashvin, I too have quit reading his posts. I admire the devotion and intellectual rigor with which he advances his fundamentalist ideas.  An excellent mind placed in service of one path to truth. But like most fundamentalists, he fails to recognize that there are many paths to truth, rather than one. As a servant of dogma, he fails to consider the implications of the dogmatist. This inevitably leads to objectification of the other,  and depending on your dogma of choice, strap beatings of a daughter with cerebral palsy, female circumcision, or honor killings. Or, closer to home, the Albigensian Crusade. Dogma has never seen a heretic that didn't need burning.

"Kill them all–God will know his own.”

When Christians start to preach–and live–the Beatitudes, Christians will have an argument worth listening to. Meanwhile, mainline Protestant churches are emptying out by several percentage points a year.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on November 12, 2012, 05:56:37 PM
Hillary touched down in town today, someone get me a glass of water. Ruh-roh!
Title: Internet Issues
Post by: RE on December 02, 2012, 08:12:30 PM
I am having huge connections issues today, very slow and getting cut off regularly from the 3G wireless.  As a result, I will likely be scarce here the rest of the day.  I'm writing an article to fill in the time on Demographics of Kollapsniks.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Calling All MIA'S
Post by: Golden Oxen on December 08, 2012, 08:14:02 PM
Karpotok, El G, Ross, Alan, Agelbert, Chloe, Jb and all our missing regulars, drop in for a coffee or a beer and say hello.  :icon_sunny:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Monsta, Roamer
Post by: Golden Oxen on December 09, 2012, 09:38:40 PM
Thanks for sharing some personal information.

Was amazed at your ages and the degree of maturity you display in your youth.

Smart youngsters like you are the only hope we senior Lite Doomers have for the future of our kids; don't give up and keep fighting.                                                                                               




Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Has Anyone Heard a Good Polish Joke Lately?
Post by: Golden Oxen on December 16, 2012, 05:57:48 AM
Poland could adopt euro in 2016: presidential adviser   ;D :laugh:

WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland could adopt the euro as soon as 2016, the president's adviser said on Saturday, encouraging the government to take bolder action to prepare for possibility of joining the shared currency.

The largest member of the EU's emerging east has so far treated euro entry as a distant prospect. But top officials now fear they could be left out of what they see as Europe's core as the euro zone gets to grips with the three-year debt crisis.

"According to calculations carried out at the President's Chancellery, January 1 2016 is a realistic date for Poland's accession to the euro zone," Roman Kuzniar told radio RM FM.

"We must remember that the later we do it, the harder it will be, because the euro zone will have built itself up. There will be more criteria and more treaties to ratify in order to enter it in five, six or seven years."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/poland-could-adopt-euro-2016-110949194.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/poland-could-adopt-euro-2016-110949194.html)   :icon_study:  :icon_scratch: :icon_mrgreen: :exp-laugh:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: widgeon on December 16, 2012, 10:21:36 AM
After seeing what "they've" done to Greece, Ireland, Spain, etc. ... what person in their right mind would want to get in that club?

It's absolute insanity or planned destruction.  I tend toward believing the later by a good log bit.

Title: Electrical Banana
Post by: RE on December 16, 2012, 03:56:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/J8DgszzXOo0

I am a Bugout LOSER.

RE, KING of the Bugout Paradigm can't keep all his systems up and running for the day TSHTF.

I don't have 1 Bugout Machine, I have 4 of them, 3 here in Alaska and one sitting in a Storage Unit in MO. All older Used Vehicles bought on the cheap in good condition. Let's forget the problem of a machine sitting 6000 miles away from me on maintenance issues, let's just deal with the 3 in my front yard.

I KNOW I should be taking care of all 3 vehicles regularly to make sure all their systems work, but I am LAZY.  I maiinly use the most recently purchased 2002 Ford Explorer for my daily travels to work and to buy beer.  It has been a pretty dependable vehicle, and the other two just sit in the driveway unused almost all the time. When Winter hits, they REALLY get unused, since the snow piles up around them and I don't feel like shoveling it out. It will Melt in the Spring after all, so why waste all that enegy digging them out?

Sadly for the Bugout King though, a few days ago the Explorer SUV started having some weird electrical problems, which I mainly ignored because they weren't too important right now.  Specifically, the Electrically Powered Windows stopped operating.  No biggy, I don't open them in winter anyhow.

After that though, I exit work a few nights ago and get ZIPPO when I turn the key on the ignition!  DEAD AS A DOORNAIL!  I have my Jumper Cables and Battery Charger and Extension Cords with me though, so I figure no problem.  WRONG.  After numerous attempts trying to charge the battery and get the SUV moving again, I discover that the battery Clamp is so thoroughly CORRODED that it won't pass enough current through to the starter motor even IF the battery is Full Charge!

Fortunately for me, one of my co-workers had not left the premises yet, and he drove me over to 3 Bears Market, where I bought a new Battery Clamp, Electrical Tape and a few Hand Tools to do the fixing.  Miraculously, the Kludge we put together WORKED, I got the SUV started and drove home.

Following day, car operates just fine, I figure NEXT WEEK (Mr. Procrastination) I will bring  it in for a real Overall from the Pros at Moosechip Tire & Auto.  Except on day TWO in the morning when I go to start said Bugout Machine, once AGAIN, DEAD AS A DOORNAIL!

I'm good though, Right?  I got 2 other Bugout Machines I can substitute for the commute to the job.  Except I have been neglecting them for the last two months completely, and when I try to start both of them, ALSO DEAD!  LOL.

So I yank out the Super Duper Battery Charger I own as part of my Preps and attempt to recharge these batteries.  The Mazda Battery is Kaput, it refuses to take any charge at all.  The Big RV shows SOME signs of life, but it is not taking a charge fast enough for me to have any hope of making it into work.  I Dial Up on my Iphone which WAS charged up (lol) and inform the workplace I will not be showing up for work.

Rest of the day, the RV Tioga slowly does take a charge, I get the Shovel out and dig it out from the recent foot of snowfall, and following day I DO make it into work, driving my RV there. LOL.  The two "normal" vehicles however are both still Doornail Dead in the Driveway.

This brings us to today.  After work, I head for Walmart, buy more shit.  New Terminals, more feet of Power Cord, Soldering Gun, Soldering wire, the WORKS so I can get my two dead vehicles operating hopefully.  Everything EXCEPT new batteries, with the hope I can get these ones working again, because batteries aren't cheap these days.  Short story there, so far NO as of my last check on the vehicles.  I will therefore tomorrow drive BACK to Walmart in the RV at 8 MPG to pick up a NEW BATTERY for the Mazda, because I am pretty sure the only problem there is the Battery is just Fried and Dead.  The Ford Explorer though I think has some kind of electrical short somewhere causing all the various electric outages.  The Battery DOES seem to be taking a charge, just when I flip the IGNITION key it doesn't react at all.  Maybe it's a fuse, haven't checked that yet.

Anyhow, overall these are pretty basic and simple electrical systems, but it really goes to show how difficult it is to keep them maintained all the time so they are always "ready to go".  I admit to being a lazy procrastinator, and this does exacerbate problems like this, but shit I don''t see how anyone can keep these systems running without external inputs more than a decade at best.

With some luck, by tomorrow evening I will have the Mazda  running again after driving the RV to Walmart  AGAIN, this time to buy a new Battery. As it looks right now for the Explorer, I will have to have it towed to the Car Fixit Joint, with some cockamamie electrical issue that will cost 4 digits to fix.

I dont imagine the difficulties with small local electric power will be much different here.  Once the Walmart shelves go Bare and you can't get replacement parts for this stuff, it will go non functional PERMANENTLY.

Meanwhile though, I gotta stop PROCRASTINATING and STAY UP on this stuff.  I'll feel pretty fucking FOOLISH when the bombs start dropping and volcanoes start erupting and I can't get the bugout machine out of the driveway!

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Snowleopard on December 16, 2012, 05:51:18 PM

Good luck with the troubleshooting. 

As for keeping batteries charged......You might have a solar charge kit in your bugout gear.  :icon_scratch:  If so, could you configure it with a controller to slow charge the vehicle battery and not over charge it.?  Course, that would still add the chore of keeping the snow cleared from the panel or the window you mount it inside of.  If what you have is too big or small, it might be worth picking up a multipurpose kit with that capability.


Theoretically one could solve the battery life problem with nickle iron batteries.  They last for ever if you check them regularly and add distilled water as needed.   Pricey though, and limited availability.

Quote
1912 Detroit Electric Car with NiFe Battery
Several early car manufacturers offered nickel iron batteries at the turn of the 20th century.  NiFe batteries were a more expensive option and most of these cars owned by collectors such as Jay Leno still contain functioning NiFe storage batteries constructed prior to World War One.   The Royal BC Museum in Canada contains a working car as does the BC Hydro museum.

http://www.nickel-iron-battery.com/ (http://www.nickel-iron-battery.com/)
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on December 16, 2012, 09:00:52 PM
Motorbike with kickstart does not need battery at all, a last resort. Also there are meant to be chemicals that you can put in a battery to double its life. Thing is, you will probably be unable to get fuel before your battery dies anyway.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Snowleopard on December 17, 2012, 12:37:52 PM
Motorbike with kickstart does not need battery at all, a last resort. Also there are meant to be chemicals that you can put in a battery to double its life. Thing is, you will probably be unable to get fuel before your battery dies anyway.

The best use for these long life batteries is in alternative home power systems.  But a properly chosen nickel-iron battery might make sense for a Bugout RV that is meant to be lived in for awhile with a PV or hybrid system, until emergency is over;  or until you build a cabin and move the system into it..

True, no new fuel is coming for awhile, maybe never.  It is better if you can minimize travel anyway.  But, what if you must travel?  Or maybe you need to fuel a tractor?  Best case, let's say you find a closed/abandoned petrol station with full tanks.  Maybe you can run their pump with your generator or bring your own DC pump, hose and pallet tanks.   Even with preservative, the gasoline is good for months to a year.  Diesel, maybe two years. 

Any "road warriors" after that will likely be on horseback and/or be the new goobermint warlords.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on December 17, 2012, 02:49:22 PM
Even with preservative, the gasoline is good for months to a year.  Diesel, maybe two years. 

Actually, Gas lasts longer than that, even without preservative.  I just got back from driving the RV.  I haven't refilled that tank in 2 years.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Snowleopard on December 17, 2012, 05:26:06 PM
Even with preservative, the gasoline is good for months to a year.  Diesel, maybe two years. 

Actually, Gas lasts longer than that, even without preservative.  I just got back from driving the RV.  I haven't refilled that tank in 2 years.

RE

Maybe you get a better gasoline mix in Alaska than i do here,  I've noticed what i buy in winter lasts longer here.  Obviously your mileage varies!  :)

Before the ethanol was added i could get three to four years from preserved gasoline.  More recently, if bought in summer it could be less than six months in same storage conditions, but gas bought in winter is usually good for a year..  I've learned the hard way not to keep it longer than that, (rebuilt carburetors etc.).   As soon as I notice starting hesitation with the small engines, (generator, wood splitter, etc) the old gas gets rotated out, one 5 gal can per tankfull, into an older vehicle with a large tank.  Our vehicles do not sit for more than a month at most, so i'm not sure what would happen if one was left to sit for two years;  but i bet it wouldn't be good.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on December 17, 2012, 05:49:29 PM
SL
You wouldnt need to rebuild the carby because the fuel went stale, that is because the fuel evaporates and the residue gums up the jets and even small diameter passages. 2 stroke is the worst for that, it will happen in 3 months max if you dont run the machine.

Old fuel will still burn, but the octane drops, where you have high compression  or forced induction/boost this can quickly wreck the engine because of pinging. Im thinking a few bottles of octane booster if you are so well prepared that you have over a years supply of fuel.

I believe that once you back out of garage when nobody else in the street has done so in a while, while you are out other people will help themself to your fuel, unless others are home guarding it. On a private farm is another matter altogether.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Snowleopard on December 17, 2012, 06:42:51 PM
UB

I suspect your fuel is different also?

2 strokes (chainsaws etc)  i either run dry or top off before leaving unused for a time.  Topping off is best, if ambient temperature isn't too hot, otherwise the fuel lines crack.  Some folk use AV gas (no ethanol added) but i don't have a reasonable source.

My fourstrokes have a gas shutoff valve and to shut down i turn off the valve and wait till the gas in the line is gone and motor coughs before hitting the kill switch, to help minimise the carb problem.  If motor is difficult to start (and no other cause) i retire that batch of gas. 

Thanks.   I'll look for octane booster and try it with an older motor. i've heard acetone can be used, but not willing to try it.  You are right, there may be times soon when it is best not to go out, even if you have good neighbors.

Ice storm here and power out.  Been on battery awhile now, time to go start the generator!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on December 17, 2012, 07:31:37 PM
I imagine the extended periods of cold weather keep the gas from evaporating all that much so the overall hydrocarbon mix doesn't change as fast.

RE
Title: Of Bugout Machines and Balaclavas
Post by: RE on December 18, 2012, 04:02:43 AM
I just got back inside the Cabin here after taking a late night trip outside to start up the one WORKING Bugout Machine, the big RV Tioga.  Its dropped nice and cold up here last couple of days, around 15 below right now.

Sunday I messed around some trying to get the other two BM Machines running, no go.  First off I am not a real good car jockey on the Mechanic level, second it is so fucking cold every time I took off my gloves to get a better grip on the tools, my hands were turning to icicles inside of 3 to 4 minutes.  When I am out shooting, my gloves are never off for more than 2 minutes or so.  So I gave up and decided I will let the Pros handle it at the shop, and tow the vehicles over there.

My buddy came over with his MASSIVE 1 ton 4WD Pickup earlier tonight to save some money on towing the Dead Vehicles over to the shop.  $80 per tow.  The Mazda is now over in the Moosechip Tire & Auto Shop parking lot, I expect they will get that one running pretty quick.  Just a Battery problem there I think.  I'll also have a full Tune Up done on it and have all the fluids flushed and changed.

The Ford Explorer SUV though remains Dead in its Spot in the Driveway.  Without the electrics running, I couldn't get it to shift into neutral to tow with a tow rope. I'll have to fork over $80 for a Flatbed Tow on this one.  The complex electronics in the post 2000 vehicles are GARBAGE!  Both my 80s era vehicles I can get moving one way or the other, this sucker is just Dead Stuck.  I think the computer is fried and its probably going to cost a fortune to repair.

Anyhow, until the Mazda comes back running, I gotta make sure the Tioga starts every day, thus my late night trip out to give it a warmup.  It doesn't have a Block Heater in it, so left too long cold it takes a lot of cranking amps to get it to turn over.  By using a Trickle Charger through the Cigarette Lighter outlet over 24 hours, I got enough Juice into it to turn it over originally, these suckers are GREAT!  I am now keeping it on the Trickle Charge, the late night warmup is just Insurance, pretty sure it will start no matter what right now.  100 feet of extension cord to bring the AC power from the Cabin to its parking spot.

My Sunday Failed Attempts at Car Mechanics reinforced to me how important it is to do the Full Up Dress when you spend more than 2 or 3 hours outside in sub-zero temps.  I didn't gear up entirely, as this takes some time to do, and I was being lazy again.  Just wore my sneakers and 1 pair of socks, no boots.  No Balaclava, my Face was exposed.  Needless to say after a couple of hours, my Toes were freezing off, and my nose was a snot running icicle.

Not Tonight!  I geared up the Full 9 Yards!  2 pairs of socks, ankle footies to keep my stinky feet from infecting the Blended Polymer Boot socks I put over them.  This has two purposes, 1 it provides extra insulation layer, 2 the inside sock gets most of the stinky embedded in it, so you really only have to wash this sock every other day or so, and the outer sock can go a week at least between washings without getting too stinky.  Outside of this, instead of the Sneakers, I put on the Insulated Boots.  So the Feet were way better prepped here, though even with this arrangement they get cold after a couple of hours.  For Longer periods, I would have to add Mukluks over them.

For the legs this time, I added Long Underwear beneath the Jeans with the regular Jockey Shorts beneath the Long Underwear.  This again is to prevent the Stink from getting to the long underwear so fast, and keep the Skid Marks to the Jockeys, so you only have to rinse them every other day or so.  I didn't throw on the Ski Pants over the Jeans, not out THAT long so not necessary this time for this purpose.

The Central Core Body was a long sleeve Undershirt, a Flannel overshirt with Insulation, a Vest with insulation and an insulated Jacket.  Again over all of this I could drop a Parka, but not necessary for this amount of time outside.

Finally on the Top End of my head, this time I pulled out the Balaclava, which is a Hood that covers all but your eyes.  The one I have is fairly High Tech, with a Neoprene Nose Piece.  this is good because it keeps this off your nose so the breath vapor doesn't freeze up right on your nose.  Capped it all off with the Shearling Earflap Cap I picked up in my trucking years in a WI Truckstop for $50.  I have an even warmer Rabbit Fur Ruskie style Hat I picked up on Canal Street in NYC for $20 30 years ago, but on top of the Balaclava, that is too hot for the head, even at 15 below.

The issue with Gearing up like this is it takes time to do it.  A good 20-30 Minutes on either end, getting it all on and getting it off.  If you spent all your time outdoors, you would only strip it all down maybe once a week at most.  In a heated cabin though, as soon as you go back indoors you gotta strip at least 2 layers every time you come back indoors.

Anyhow, this whole experience has reinforced to me that I am getting way too LAZY overall here and need to get OUT of the Cabin and move into the Bugout Machine full time.  I will only maintain the systems and take care of everything if I am using it.  This will be my last winter living the EZ Life in the Cabin.  In the Spring, I will give it up and move into the Bugout Machine.  Not sure where I will Park it yet, friend's property most likely, but perhaps one of the local RV Parks that have Hookups.  I will move my preps from the Cabin to a Storage Unit.

Time has come to get serious and follow the Bugout Paradigm properly.  It is too easy for me to procrastinate and get lazy while I live in the Cabin.

RE
Title: T'was the Nightmare Before Christmas 2012
Post by: RE on December 24, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
T'was the Nightmare Before Christmas 2012 (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/12/24/twas-the-nightmare-before-christmas-2012/) by Poet Laureate RE now UP on the Diner Blog!  :icon_mrgreen:

Merry Christmas Diners!

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Kilmoon on December 24, 2012, 02:39:42 PM
Hi RE, Loved the poem! 

Its been awhile since I posted last, but I've been lurking heaps. Once we got lambing out of the way I've been busy with the normal spring maintenance around the place, including painting the house (2 storey, 175m2) courtesy of a small inheritance from my mum (us kids were glad we didn't get a bill from the lawyer instead) but heh, what the hell it paid for the paint. Having last been painted 35 years ago we thought it was time to redo...might just last another 35 years now!

Interesting to read how cold its been up in the north....we've got 30 degrees C predicted for later Xmas Day, 19C at the moment and climbing...made me wish I'd gone for a cold meat dinner. Instead, I'm not looking forward to cooking up our roastie veges and stuffed turkey later. Ahh well, the price for having a nice meal to ourselves I suppose.

Anyway just touching base quickly, have a good one all, and take care. We didn't end on the 21st, but don't let that lull you into a false sense of security! :icon_mrgreen:

Off to water blast the last wall in preparation for painting it....once it cools down that is. :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on December 24, 2012, 03:18:51 PM
Hi RE, Loved the poem! 

Thanks KM.

Glad to hear from a Lurker on Christmas Eve.  Good time for many Lurkers and Walkabouts to check in.  End is Nigh? Ross? Karpatok? Agelbert? JB?  El Gallinazo? English Rose? Old Horseman?  Pops? Anybody else?  If you are out there, drop in with a Merry Christmas here and let us know you are OK.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Kilmoon on December 24, 2012, 04:55:57 PM
Christmas Eve! Its the big day here at the moment...did I mention its hot? Hence both hubby and I are inside relaxing in the heat. Not much to do on a day like this (okay we're both wilting I admit it), but sit back and relax, though I'll take a walk around later and check the sheep, their water troughs and the paddock in general.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year"
Post by: Golden Oxen on December 25, 2012, 02:21:49 AM
Hope all my friends at the Diner enjoy a Happy Holiday Season.

It was such a pleasure to meet you all and enjoy your enlightening spirited conversation. Looking forward to more of the same for 2013.      GO    :icon_sunny:

       
Wet Snow Auvern
Wet Snow Auvern


Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Nosferatu on December 25, 2012, 04:15:37 PM
RE, well done!

Yeats & Eliot, get lost! And make way for RE, the dark poet of Doom!  :laugh:

Greetings
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on December 25, 2012, 10:35:51 PM
RE, well done!

Yeats & Eliot, get lost! And make way for RE, the dark poet of Doom!  :laugh:

Greetings

Thanks NF!

As Bullwinkle himself would say, "Hello, Poetry Lovers!"

(http://michaelhendrick.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/bullwinkle.jpg)

RE
Title: Forever Young on the Last Great Frontier
Post by: RE on December 26, 2012, 06:45:49 PM
OK folks, its all done, package wrapped up.  Application complete, Transcripts ordered.  I am now officially in the running to get into the UAA Nursing Program for the Fall of 2013.

The Plan is to get the RN in 2 years,work 2 more in the field and take Masters level part time, then finish for Nurse Practioner in 1 more year Full Time.  I will be done around my 60th Birthday.  ROFLMAOPIMP.  Purpose is to acquire another set of skills which will make this aging body useful in the world to come.

Big Question: Will they take me in over 20 year olds?  I gotta figure the Admissions officer who gets to review my App and transcripts first will have a Cow.  :icon_mrgreen:

Anyhow, I'm not dead yet, I have the time and I don't even have to apply for Financial Aid. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-131.gif).  It's Chump Change.

You think any of my classmates will have a thing for Grandpas?  This is the land of Northern Exposure, right?  Holling and Shelly?

OK, I can't sing like Holling, but my Poetry isn't bad.  It worked the first go round in College anyhow. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/v/DsVSg5qHoNk

RE, Forever Young

http://www.youtube.com/v/-4UoJ47SzjA
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: monsta666 on December 26, 2012, 07:04:13 PM
Very rock n' roll to make such a big life decision so quickly! Fortune favours the brave!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on December 26, 2012, 07:26:36 PM
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OK folks, its all done, package wrapped up.  Application complete, Transcripts ordered.  I am now officially in the running to get into the UAA Nursing Program for the Fall of 2013.

WTF! And you think I'm nuts!  :icon_mrgreen:

Alright, as I've said, a healer is as a healer does. And healing, IMHO, is what you are all about (even with your Orkin Man theory - LOL)

Plenty of healers needed, in the coming troubles. And yeah, I DO think some of those hard-driving nursing types will,
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You think any of my classmates will have a thing for Grandpas?
once they figure you out  ;) Except, I didn't know you had kids?

Good for those legs, to be among all those kids. Get you dancing again, maybe.  :icon_sunny:





Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on December 26, 2012, 07:30:53 PM
RE,

BTW, dug that poem   :emthup:
Title: Re: Forever Young on the Last Great Frontier
Post by: RE on December 26, 2012, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: Monsta666
Very rock n' roll to make such a big life decision so quickly! Fortune favours the brave!

It's not really that "big" or "quick" a life decision for me.

I've been toying with going back to academia for a while, I was going to go for a Ph.D. and work it Cross Disciplinary in Economics, History, Anthropology and Psychology.  I pretty much have the dissertation already written, I just need to rewrite some stuff in more Academic prose and work up a bibliography of citations.

This however is a more practical idea and discipline that I can actually use to help the community when TSHTF.  It's not that big a deal because it really won't change my life all that much, I'll just have to reallocate my time.  Obviously won't be spending 6 hours a day writing for & editing the Diner.  LOL.  However, I can recycle Oldies but Goodies and hand off WP editorial tasks to other folks (like you & WHD) who are starting to get more conversant with WP software.  Also I am sure I can pound out one article a week on Sundays talking about College Life for the Aged & Decrepit. LOL.

The cost is a real bargain for Alaska Residents, tuition is capped at 12 credits and I am quite sure I can carry 18 with little difficulty.  The Nursing Courses I need aren't Rocket Science.  The issue would be mostly one of scheduling, but quite a few of these courses are available as Online stuff.  I certainly will have no issues writing papers for the classes, that's for sure. LOL.  About the only thing that might be a limit is how fast I can memorize various drugs and disease types and symptoms etc, not sure I am quite so fast as I used to be with this.


WTF! And you think I'm nuts!  :icon_mrgreen:

Alright, as I've said, a healer is as a healer does. And healing, IMHO, is what you are all about (even with your Orkin Man theory - LOL)

I am notoriously "Nuts", as EVERYBODY KNOWS.  This was so nice and unconventional an idea it appealed to my nutty side immediately.  :icon_mrgreen:

Healer?  Yes, I suppose I do think of myself as a Medicine Man of sorts.  Save As Many As You Can, right?  This is a practical way to fulfill that goal in my locale.

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Plenty of healers needed, in the coming troubles. And yeah, I DO think some of those hard-driving nursing types will,
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You think any of my classmates will have a thing for Grandpas?
once they figure you out  ;) Except, I didn't know you had kids?

I don't have kids, that I know of anyhow.  I was just speaking metaphorically and generationally.  If I had got married at 18, had a child and that child got married at 18 and had another, at 55 I could have a Grandchild entering Nursing School.  My Peer Group of Students in the program are effectively how old my Granchild would be now.

Once they "figure me out"?  You think Major Doomer Iconoclasts with Dentures have Sex Appeal?  LOL.  I wonder about that one.  I also gotta think carefully about whether I would Advertise that I am Chief Cook & Bottle Washer on the Diner to these folks, since if I do so my Anon would be shot to hell in a heartbeat.

Obviously also, once anybody figures out I am loaded, I'll be a target for Golddiggers.  I don't want some bimbo who wants me for my money,  I want one who loves me for the kind, gentle teddybear in there...somewhere. LOL.

Seriously of course, I really cannot imagine getting involved with any female again after all this time.  I'm too settled into being a Monk & Hermit.  On the other hand, if some sweet young nurselett like Shelly jumped on me while we were cramming for finals, I'd have a tough time turning that down. LOL.

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Good for those legs, to be among all those kids. Get you dancing again, maybe.  :icon_sunny:

Not too sure how good the legs are for Dancing, but the Horizontal Bop is possible...if I can remember how and stock up on Viagra before JIT delivery fails to the 3 Bears Pharmacy.  LOL.

Kind of Jumping the Gun here of course, since who knows if they will even enroll me?  At least a couple of weeks I think before the Transcripts make it in and I might get a call from some Admissions Officer calling me up and saying "Are you fucking FOR REAL here?" LOL.

RE
Title: Re: Forever Young on the Last Great Frontier
Post by: luciddreams on December 27, 2012, 04:27:45 AM

Kind of Jumping the Gun here of course, since who knows if they will even enroll me?  At least a couple of weeks I think before the Transcripts make it in and I might get a call from some Admissions Officer calling me up and saying "Are you fucking FOR REAL here?" LOL.

RE

If the program isn't too packed they'll take your money for sure.  What does the school care?  It's just about money to them. 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on December 27, 2012, 04:47:22 AM
I cant believe youre serious, but why not. Its an invaluable knowledge base for the future, especially if you stock up a big ass first aid kit good for a few years for quite a few people. Walking the wards not so much.

Theres going to be a problem with the eventual withdrawal of all the people on SSRI's and opiates just for starters when supply starts to run dry.
Title: Re: Forever Young on the Last Great Frontier
Post by: RE on December 27, 2012, 04:49:28 AM

If the program isn't too packed they'll take your money for sure.  What does the school care?  It's just about money to them.

The IF question there is the important one, and how any they will jam into the program.  You mentioned there were waiting lists in some programs in some neighborhoods.

I *suspect* this will not be  problem here for me, as I think Alaska Residents get Priority and few would have anywhere near my qualifications.  Nevertheless, I just don't know how they determine who gets into the program.

Money wise, they don't make that much, at $250/credit hour max for 60 hours  would be $15K, but since they cap at 12 hours, max is probably closer to $12K.   I suspect I can pull scholarship money in the second year based on achievement,  from AARP or other Old folks groups.  I do not know the precise demographics of the program, but my best guess is I am WAY smarter than everyone elsel in there, I just about always am.  So it seems likely to me I can get some kind of scholarship for academic achievement along the way.  Seems to me the MOST money they could expect to make from hooking me is around $10 Grand for the RN.

Its a numbers game as to how many get admitted, and in my case since I am coming in about midway, how many Washouts they generally have.  More washouts means more Open spots in the upper level courses.

Time will tell on how this plays out.

RE
Title: Re: Forever Young on the Last Great Frontier
Post by: RE on December 28, 2012, 07:12:45 PM

Time will tell on how this plays out.


OK, today I got back a few auto-generated emails on the App.

The only transcript I was able to send semi-electronically was my Masters transcript from CUNY.  Neither Columbia or SUNY have an email option for doing Transcripts, gotta be snail mail there.  I still had to send out a Signed form via Fax to get the CUNY transcript mailed off, not sure if it is mailed electronically or snail mail, I suspect the latter.  This one thus will likely land first in the UAA Admissions File, since the snail Mail requests for transcripts to the other two institutions are somewhere in the US Postal Service system at the moment.

I also got an auto generated email from UAA, encouraging me to call up one of the Academic Advisors, and letting me know I can Register for courses 1 semester before actual Admission to the program, which means I could start in the Summer.  Not sure I wanna do that though, I kinda was thinking about travelling around a lot this coming summer.

I don't think I will contact an Academic advisor at UAA until after all the transcripts make it in there.  The conversation would mainly be about what courses I really need to take, and without the transcripts in hand the advisor would not know the actual background here.  I'm hoping they allow me to wave some of the lower level Nursing Courses in favor of some Master's Level courses I could apply later to the Nurse Practitioner license, though I doubt they will allow that.  Perhaps they might let me sit for final exams in some courses though without actually doing the course as a registered student.  After reviewing Pathophysiology and Pharmacology for Nurses, I am pretty sure I can ace those exams just with some online study.

My guess at the moment is 2-3 weeks before I get confirmation all the transcripts are in and I can begin this negotiating process.  Based on what I read in the email, unless there is a waiting list I can't see how I could be rejected from the program.

Tons of Bennies if I do get in and going at UAA.  I get an Internet Conection and Email box, and can get cheaper Med Insurance.  I may drop my phone, which by itself would save $100/mo.  I also may dump the Cabin and either move On Campus or live in the Bugout Machine.

This is very entertaining!

RE
Title: Another Auld Lang Syne
Post by: RE on December 31, 2012, 02:07:55 AM
Another Auld Lang Syne (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/12/31/another-auld-lang-syne/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog!

Happy New Year Diners!  :icon_mrgreen:

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: buzzard on December 31, 2012, 06:13:39 AM
It is snowing. I plan to go pay my property taxes (extortion bribe) today. Had to sell some silver to do it. It, of course, is what the silver was meant to be for. But I just didn't think that it would be so soon. Isn't that the way it always turns out? Even though many of us suffer from 'Collapse Fatigue' from the seemingly interminable waiting for the other shoe to drop, events always take us by surprise.

End of the year depression... months spent concentrating on transforming the barn into a shop when what I should be doing is digging graves. A grave unfinished means being able to put off the deeper thoughts until another day. What the new year represents is that the other day has arrived. Trauma to say the least. I always feel better on January 2nd gazing out at the pristine year ahead. What possibilities. Looking back on 2012 we can see how used up it seems. We used the hell out of it didn't we? Degraded, dirtied, torn and tortured it until we must bury the stinking remains in the grave meant for other things. Our record as a species is not good. 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on December 31, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
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So here we are now, on the cusp of another Auld Lang Syne.  Pretty much every year since I started Blogging the Collapse in 2007, I have written some sort of paean to the New Year, and this one will be no different.  Sometimes I write Prognostications for the Future in such posts, other times I write Nostalgia for the Past.  I suspect this one will contain both also.

AsteroidImpactWe got through the big Mayan Date of 12/21/2012 without a Planet Killer sized Asteroid hitting, and without  Global thermonuclear Warfare also!  So I guess we are SAFE now?  Of course not, and pinning your prognostications on any given day is pretty much like picking out the right numers in the Lotto, your chances of being precisely correct here are quite small.

RE,

You caught my attention with that title. Listening to NPR, OBama, CONgress etc, the Fiscal Cliff talks, don't see yet how Dec 21 might not yet be seen as a kind of bifurcation point, after which everything seemed to go bad?  Seems like a new 5,126 year cycle to me. LOL. Seems like that should be a celebration, but um, we're 7 Billion now, and like you like to say, "everybody knows."  Watched Avengers and the latest Batman: Dark Knight Rising. this weekend. Struck by how similar the endings were, salvation by one man, from uber-nuclear annihilation; how both narratives were sustained by the knowledge that energy shortage is a very real, imminent threat to humanity. Avenger's of course more optimistic that some genius will figure it out, unlimited sustainable power, that is. Where is Tony Stark when humanity needs him? At least they can say, they warned humanity, eh?  ;)

That would be a kind of curious justice, to have Japanese/GE/et al nuclear rain falling down on America, after Nagasaki and Hiroshima, if not for the horror and grand STUPIDITY of it. Esp as Japan only has what, 10% of the world's nuclear facilities? How about 40 days and 40 nights of global nuclear rainfall? Meanwhile they are building Mcmansions on those same sandbars Sandy wiped out, funding coming from the public dole. Genius.

Elecricity. Don't discount either, a blast from the sun, to some degree knocking out the global grid, in 2013. We aren't ready for that either.

Which, I expect the nation-states and banks will muddle along maintaining BAU, increasingly in lock-down mode, for the immediate future. Increasingly UNABLE to maintain control.

 



 

Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WaterWeasel on December 31, 2012, 06:23:23 PM
Happy Solstice Diners! Happy Holidays.

RE,

Good idea about the RN path. Always good skills in any community in any era. You will always have something to offer your fellow humans.

But I want to go back to where you said you were moving out of the cabin and going to live in the bug out vehicles starting this summer. Is that off the table with the school thing, or are you still giving up the cabin either way? 'Cause if you are, I think there's a whole goldmine of implications there, questions for you and all of us.

The obvious question is: If you know things are going to suck pretty soon, why wouldn't you live in (relative) luxury while you can? I hear you about keeping your preps up and walking the talk, but why not keep the warm cabin while you can? Anyone familiar with the energy/environment situation faces this question to one degree or another many times a day.

And does giving up the cabin mean giving up any claim to any land you might be using for a garden or woodland?

I just don't see why you would do this now. Get your RN. Help people. But you might be a better beacon if you weren't living out of your truck. Not yet anyway.

Cheers-WW
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on December 31, 2012, 06:37:15 PM
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Happy Solstice Diners! Happy Holidays.

RE,

Good idea about the RN path. Always good skills in any community in any era. You will always have something to offer your fellow humans.

But I want to go back to where you said you were moving out of the cabin and going to live in the bug out vehicles starting this summer. Is that off the table with the school thing, or are you still giving up the cabin either way? 'Cause if you are, I think there's a whole goldmine of implications there, questions for you and all of us.

The obvious question is: If you know things are going to suck pretty soon, why wouldn't you live in (relative) luxury while you can? I hear you about keeping your preps up and walking the talk, but why not keep the warm cabin while you can? Anyone familiar with the energy/environment situation faces this question to one degree or another many times a day.

And does giving up the cabin mean giving up any claim to any land you might be using for a garden or woodland?

I just don't see why you would do this now. Get your RN. Help people. But you might be a better beacon if you weren't living out of your truck. Not yet anyway.

Cheers-WW

Water Weasel,

Good to hear from you. When I read your comment, I was like, how is he going to smoke cigarettes, surrounding himself by empty beer cans, and remain the fastest keyboard in the West, while earning an LPN and living in a bugout vee-hicle? 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on December 31, 2012, 07:06:08 PM

Good to hear from you. When I read your comment, I was like, how is he going to smoke cigarettes, surrounding himself by empty beer cans, and remain the fastest keyboard in the West, while earning an LPN and living in a bugout vee-hicle?

When I got my original Masters right after my divorce, I went to school during the day, then to an evening shift job, then to a night shift job, then back to school the next morning.  I had a Black Astro Van with a mattress in the back.  I slept in 2 hour increments 3 times a day for 2 years.

Then I lived for 6.5 years in a Freightliner Condo.

This is tradition for me.  My Bugout Machine is a postive PALACE compared to the Astro Van and the Freghtliner.

Anyhow, not certain I will follow through with it yet.  Also will wait on any decision making until I find out if I actually get in.

Makes no difference to the Hydroponics project, I'm doing that on a friend's property.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WaterWeasel on December 31, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
Hey, RE, nobody doubts your street cred.

I was hoping for a deeper discussion about you voluntarily "powering down" vs comfort in the here and now.

I went one winter here with no heat and survived. Not fun, but I made it. Now that I have heat, I really like it. When I was younger, I camped out an entire calendar year hereabouts, but now I'm older and appreciate a warm dry place. In other words, I know I could make it pretty well with no power/etc, But I'm not thinking of giving it up until I have to.

And isn't this the crux of the biscuit? You first. Jevon's paradox. We know fossil fuel burning is killing the planet, but we just can't stop. Tragedy of the Commons...
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on December 31, 2012, 08:47:32 PM
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When I got my original Masters right after my divorce, I went to school during the day, then to an evening shift job, then to a night shift job, then back to school the next morning.  I had a Black Astro Van with a mattress in the back.  I slept in 2 hour increments 3 times a day for 2 years.

Ben Franklin did a similar thing, sleep-wise. Might account some for your eccentricity.  :icon_mrgreen: Been struck by lightning yet? LOL

Lived in a Plymouth Grand Voyager, a tent and a canoe quite awhile, 1999-2002. Still had my head up my ass about happy motoring though. Glad I did it still. Got to know the western half of America pretty well.






Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on December 31, 2012, 09:16:46 PM

I was hoping for a deeper discussion about you voluntarily "powering down" vs comfort in the here and now.

Oh, there are variety of motivating factors behind it.  One is as I said that it is too easy to get complacent when you are not actually using the systems, things fall into disrepair and then the day you need the Bugout Muachine to actually Bugout, it won't start.

Also is the fact that if I am going to UAA and keeping my job in the Valley, I'll hardly ever be in the cabin anyhow.  Just sleeping mainly.  I can do that in a Bugout Machine bed as well as I can do it on the camping Air mattress I sleep on all the time anyhow. LOL.  I'm not going without heat, the BM has a propane furnace, I have a DC plug in heating pad from my trucking years too.  There was one occassion where fucking Schneider sent me up to Hoserville in February and left me stranded up there for a week because they couldn't get me a load out.  This was right after 9-11, great story I'll have to put it in the next part of Over the Road.

Main issue really is just the Bathroom, which I won't use on the BM, these are a pain in the ass to maintain.  Om the NUmber 1 end, I pissed into a a Gallon Jug for 6.5 years, this is no problem.  LOL.  On the Number 2 end, I am pretty "regular" there and if I drop a few logs before bedtime I don't have to go until the next morning.  For most other occassions, 24/hr gas stations have bathrooms, and besides I'll have a UAA ID so there is probably some open building with an accessible bathroom at night.  Absolute emergencies, I'll keep a porta pottie, and a hand trowel too for the Great Outdoors.

For showers etc, there is the Athletic Complex, where I could even take a morning swim which probably would be good for my legs.

For any super cold cold weeks sub zero, I can take a Bates Motel room. Or maybe one of my Nurselett Classmates will take pity on me and offer me her Couch. LOL. Right now we have astonishingly warm weather for late December, mid 40s. We had 2 weeks of nasty cold before that though.

Anyhow, fact is I don't need much space, when indoors I just sit at the laptop and keyboard, or I am sleeping.  The preps can all go in a storage unit.  I'm a minimalist and a Nomad, always have been.  I've got the Bugout Machine, so why not use it?

We'll see.  I'll stay comfortable the rest of the winter then make a decision in the spring.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on December 31, 2012, 09:46:53 PM
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For any super cold cold weeks sub zero, I can take a Bates Motel room. Or maybe one of my Nurselett Classmates will take pity on me and offer me her Couch. LOL. Right now we have astonishingly warm weather for late December, mid 40s. We had 2 weeks of nasty cold before that though.

Anyhow, fact is I don't need much space, when indoors I just sit at the laptop and keyboard, or I am sleeping.  The preps can all go in a storage unit.  I'm a minimalist and a Nomad, always have been.  I've got the Bugout Machine, so why not use it?

We'll see.  I'll stay comfortable the rest of the winter then make a decision in the spring.

RE,

Sounds to me like an entirely reasonable proposal, giving up the cabin for the bugout vehicle, esp. if it's the relative PALACE you say it is. A certain spryness to the gypsy life, the times calling for it, yes? Not for everybody, for sure, but...

Hope the news about the training is good.

Blessings in 2013,

WHD
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 01, 2013, 09:23:46 AM
Well Look who I see!!  It's AGELBERT. 

How you been Agelbert?  Drop in and say Hello. Happy New Year  :icon_sunny: ;D :o ::)
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 06, 2013, 07:01:45 AM
A friend sent me this. Absolutely beautiful, I thought it might  go well with Diner's Sunday morning coffee. Mind boggling how smart some of us are to build design, and advance all of us through knowledge and exploration. The HD version is awesome.  :coffee:
                                               
  http://www.youtube.com/v/XRCIzZHpFtY&fs=1
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: buzzard on January 06, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
Even throughout my awakening to the monumental problems which we as humans face on this planet I have remained (at least a closet) space flight junky. It still quickens my pulse to think about traveling to other planets and then to the stars. This love affair with the techno wonder of exploring the universe remains one of my continuing vices from a former life... that and smoking cigars.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 08, 2013, 06:22:21 AM
From Jimbo  TBP this morning   :laugh:

                                               
Alfred E Neuman
Alfred E Neuman
   


                                       http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=46937 (http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=46937)
                                                       
 Peter Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff  RE Head of the FED   Surly Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.  WHD Head of The IRS. Karpatok Secretary of Labor.  Stucky President's Press Secretary  Roamer Head of Agriculture.

I'm  READY  TURN GO LOOSE!!!           
                                                       
                                                   
Ready To Serve
Ready To Serve
   




                                                       
Title: Trailer: Debt Monetization Economics
Post by: RE on January 09, 2013, 03:55:22 AM
Monsta's recent articles on Energy, CHOCK FULL as they have been with MATH and by-the-numbers analysis have provided me with Motivation and a Challenge here.  Can't let this young whippersnapper out-keyboard me and out-analyze me!  LOL.

Not only is he stuffing his articles full of good math and graphs to justify his conclusions, his WORD COUNT is right up there in RE Territory!  I got a Young Buck from the Sudan living in Jolly Old England Nipping at my Heels here on the Diner!

This Old Lion of Collapse is not yet READY to take the Last Kayak Trip Out to Sea here and hand off Diner Analysis to some Wet-behind-the-Ears Sudanese Whippersnapper!  LOL.

At the same time though, NO FUCKING WAY can I compete with Monsta on the Energy playing field.  This ain't my Bailiwick.  I am RE, ROGUE ECONOMIST!  So I am working on a fucking TOME here to break down Debt Monetization as it is occurring through the CB-TBTF Bank system, and try to explain why at the moment we are not experiencing the kind of HI situation folks like John Williams of Shadow Stats and Speedy Gonazalo Lira have been prognosticating since, well 2008 at least.

I'm about 1000 words into it with more than half a dozen graphs to demonstrate the issues.  Still quite a bit to go, and probably will take until my regular Sunday Diner Brunch Article to finish up.

This is the Trailer for the Upcoming Feature on the Diner.

COMING SOON TO A LAPTOP NEAR YOU.

re
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 09, 2013, 10:20:59 AM
From Jimbo  TBP this morning   :laugh:

                                               
Alfred E Neuman
Alfred E Neuman
   


                                       http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=46937 (http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=46937)
                                                       
 Peter Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff  RE Head of the FED   Surly Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.  WHD Head of The IRS. Karpatok Secretary of Labor.  Stucky President's Press Secretary  Roamer Head of Agriculture.

I'm  READY  TURN GO LOOSE!!!           
                                                       
                                                   
Ready To Serve
Ready To Serve
   


My first act as Dictator of the IRS, is to declare that every Agent shall for the remainder of this tax season, wear a wig of a vintage predating Clinton/Rubin/Greenspan bank deregulation, an ugly Christmas sweater and goodwill corduroy slacks and NO footwear, AT ALL TIMES, while on official IRS biz.  My second act, is to throw away the tax code, to be replaced by no Federal Income Tax, up to $250,000, above which ALL income will be taxed at a 99% clip. My third act is to seize the entire assets of all those in any executive position at any of the top tier banks, Fed, or top financial bureaucratic gov positions 1980-2013, after which they will be given a choice between a cupful of hemlock tea, or spending the rest of their days growing food and distributing it to people in need. My fourth Act is to tax the MIlitary/Industrial complex into oblivion.

Your humble servant,
WHD



                                                 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 09, 2013, 12:18:30 PM
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My first act as Dictator of the IRS, is to declare that every Agent shall for the remainder of this tax season, wear a wig of a vintage predating Clinton/Rubin/Greenspan bank deregulation, an ugly Christmas sweater and goodwill corduroy slacks and NO footwear, AT ALL TIMES, while on official IRS biz.  My second act, is to throw away the tax code, to be replaced by no Federal Income Tax, up to $250,000, above which ALL income will be taxed at a 99% clip. My third act is to seize the entire assets of all those in any executive position at any of the top tier banks, Fed, or top financial bureaucratic gov positions 1980-2013, after which they will be given a choice between a cupful of hemlock tea, or spending the rest of their days growing food and distributing it to people in need. My fourth Act is to tax the MIlitary/Industrial complex into oblivion.

Your humble servant,
WHD

I just knew you were the perfect candidate for the position WHD  :emthup: :laugh: ;D :icon_sunny:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 09, 2013, 01:58:23 PM
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I just knew you were the perfect candidate for the position WHD  :emthup: :laugh: ;D :icon_sunny:

Thanks GO,

Start collecting vintage wigs and ugly Christmas sweaters. LOL
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 10, 2013, 12:44:39 AM

                                                       
 Peter Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff  RE Head of the FED   Surly Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.  WHD Head of The IRS. Karpatok Secretary of Labor.  Stucky President's Press Secretary  Roamer Head of Agriculture.

I don't think I would be a very good choice for Chairsatan of Da Fed, since I don't believe in Money as a sustainable and equitable form of resource distribution.

I think I could do a Good Job as Chief Justice and Lord High Executioner though. (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb251.gif)

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 10, 2013, 04:34:06 AM






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I don't think I would be a very good choice for Chairsatan of Da Fed, since I don't believe in Money as a sustainable and equitable form of resource distribution.

I think I could do a Good Job as Chief Justice and Lord High Executioner though.

RE

That's why you were nominated for this most difficult of jobs beloved dungeon master. Who could better solve the world's financial and debt crisis than one with the wisdom of Solomon, we abolish money to solve all the world's money problems.
Who else possesses such a grasp and understanding of our financial dilemma?

In my openness and willingness to always accept and consider comments and ideas for consideration, your idea as to the replacement of Surly as Chief Justice was considered. It has been duly noted, rejected, and placed in the file bin.

Surly's record as peacemaker, willingness to discuss opposing views without blowing his top and resorting to violence, and most of all his extremely important task as God#3 in watching after you God # 2, the Mad God, and reprimanding you when your crazy gene leaps to the forefront in many occasions uniquely qualifies him as the Supreme decider. His impeccable record in matters of wild disputes and restoration of order uniquely qualifies him for this post. Kindly live with and accept my decision on this matter #2. Please, don't consider your job at the Fed a DEAD END, I have other tasks planned for you when Surly decides who is to be punished after due process.   ;)  ;D :laugh: :icon_mrgreen: :exp-grin:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 10, 2013, 08:33:07 AM

That's why you were nominated for this most difficult of jobs beloved dungeon master. Who could better solve the world's financial and debt crisis than one with the wisdom of Solomon, we abolish money to solve all the world's money problems.
Who else possesses such a grasp and understanding of our financial dilemma?


Good point.

OK, my First Act as New Chairsatan is to make Illegal all Transactions in Fiat Money or PMs.  In order to facilitate this change, all Fiat will be Burned in the Greatest Bonfire of Paper Wealth in All of Recorded History, and all PMs Collected Up, Alloyed with Radioactive Waste and SUNK in the Marianas Trench.

Kiss Goodbye your Kruggerands GO.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might GET IT.  :icon_mrgreen:

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 10, 2013, 10:00:49 AM

That's why you were nominated for this most difficult of jobs beloved dungeon master. Who could better solve the world's financial and debt crisis than one with the wisdom of Solomon, we abolish money to solve all the world's money problems.
Who else possesses such a grasp and understanding of our financial dilemma?


Good point.

OK, my First Act as New Chairsatan is to make Illegal all Transactions in Fiat Money or PMs.  In order to facilitate this change, all Fiat will be Burned in the Greatest Bonfire of Paper Wealth in All of Recorded History, and all PMs Collected Up, Alloyed with Radioactive Waste and SUNK in the Marianas Trench.

Kiss Goodbye your Kruggerands GO.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might GET IT.  :icon_mrgreen:

RE

I will still have my rare stamps, turquoise collection, rubies, diamonds, platinum and palladium coins, fine art prints,signed by Dali himself, and of course my baseball cards and original mint condition collection of MAD magazines, dear Dungeon Master.      :laugh: :laugh: ;D ;D :icon_mrgreen: :exp-grin: :exp-laugh: :exp-laugh: ::)

When GO says Fiat Sucks He Means It
                                             
Large Queen Victoria ex GO
Large Queen Victoria ex GO

GO For POTUS
GO For POTUS
    :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

Inca Gold Mask ex GO collection
Inca Gold Mask ex GO collection
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 10, 2013, 03:59:55 PM

I will still have my rare stamps, turquoise collection, rubies, diamonds, platinum and palladium coins, fine art prints,signed by Dali himself, and of course my baseball cards and original mint condition collection of MAD magazines, dear Dungeon Master.      :laugh: :laugh: ;D ;D :icon_mrgreen: :exp-grin: :exp-laugh: :exp-laugh: ::)


The Pt and Pd coins fit under PMs, they gotta go.  The stamps are just Tiny Fiat printed only on one side with glue on the back so it fits on a letter, they go in the Bonfire.

The rest of the stuff is Barter items, you can keep those.  :icon_mrgreen:

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 10, 2013, 06:35:18 PM

I will still have my rare stamps, turquoise collection, rubies, diamonds, platinum and palladium coins, fine art prints,signed by Dali himself, and of course my baseball cards and original mint condition collection of MAD magazines, dear Dungeon Master.      :laugh: :laugh: ;D ;D :icon_mrgreen: :exp-grin: :exp-laugh: :exp-laugh: ::)


The Pt and Pd coins fit under PMs, they gotta go.  The stamps are just Tiny Fiat printed only on one side with glue on the back so it fits on a letter, they go in the Bonfire.

The rest of the stuff is Barter items, you can keep those.  :icon_mrgreen:

RE

What say the High Justice Peacemaker? Surly1.

What were the others?

BTW I have a whole new kind of understanding about GO's judgement. LOL Agreed, on RE as the Fed Chairastan. Dali, indeed.

Oh yes,

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Peter Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff  RE Head of the FED   Surly Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.  WHD Head of The IRS. Karpatok Secretary of Labor.  Stucky President's Press Secretary  Roamer Head of Agriculture.

Did anybody send PM's?
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: monsta666 on January 10, 2013, 06:59:08 PM
Did anybody send PM's?

Ah WHD is left out of the loop. The political intrigue in the Diner thickens by the day!

To other Diners, I have created a PDF of one of WHD's articles. I seem to have trouble getting people to view but hopefully it will work if I attach it to this post. If people can see I would like to know if the design looks any good. I tried to model the design on the design of the main blog.
Title: Re: Trailer: Debt Monetization Economics
Post by: RE on January 11, 2013, 02:25:31 AM
OK, I am now basically finished with the text for DME, coming in currently at around 2800 words, fairly average small by my standards.  However, more than the average number of charts and graphs, 7 right now and waiting on one from CFFP doing curvilinear analysis of Euro Oil Products Demand.  If he gets that back to me, I'll probably add another few hundred words to flesh out explanation for the Graph Illiterate.  :icon_mrgreen:

I'll send this one to Jimbo for Cross Posting on TBP, and hopeful it might be picked up elsewhere also.  Hopeful it can put us over the 20K/day Milestone in Page Hits if it gets enough play.  In my admittedly extremely BIASED opinion, it is the best analysis I have done to date on the HI issue and how the CBs are playing the game.

Coming soon to a Laptop Near You.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 12, 2013, 04:52:04 AM
Well Good Morning Karpatok,what a pleasure to see you signed on.  How have you been, hope all is well with you.  :icon_sunny:

Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 13, 2013, 09:54:48 PM
Hi Karpatok, Just noticed you were logged in. How about dropping in and letting us know how you are doing? Have been wondering about you and your kitty, you have been gone for quite a while.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Karpatok on January 14, 2013, 02:08:31 AM
 Hello Golden Oxen, you are very sweet to inquire. Having been through some harrowing experiences I am now on the West Coast trying to recuperate. I am trying to catch up by lurking but you caught me unaware. I have really missed everyone and the Diner very much. Guess I became more fond than I realized. Glad to read that Nobody also returned. Didn't know what to make of "Secretary of Labor". In fact didn't know what was expected by the PM from WHD assume the position. Maybe you can explain. But have followed all your posts on PMs with rapt attentiveness. Also follow KWN. But when in heavens name is it going to happen? The explosion upward that all of them keep talking about? Anyway I have a lot more catching up to do. Thanks and talk to you later. K.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 14, 2013, 04:27:57 AM
Hello Golden Oxen, you are very sweet to inquire. Having been through some harrowing experiences I am now on the West Coast trying to recuperate. I am trying to catch up by lurking but you caught me unaware. I have really missed everyone and the Diner very much. Guess I became more fond than I realized. Glad to read that Nobody also returned. Didn't know what to make of "Secretary of Labor". In fact didn't know what was expected by the PM from WHD assume the position. Maybe you can explain. But have followed all your posts on PMs with rapt attentiveness. Also follow KWN. But when in heavens name is it going to happen? The explosion upward that all of them keep talking about? Anyway I have a lot more catching up to do. Thanks and talk to you later. K.

Sorry you are having a rough time Karpatok. It is just great to hear from you and have you back. The Diner loses much of it's appeal when a Regular goes walkabout for a while, it is a loss felt by all and then there is the worry about them that comes into play. Hope you recuperate soon;  it was a real pleasure to hear from you.   :icon_sunny:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 14, 2013, 04:49:00 AM
Karpatok
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Also follow KWN. But when in heavens name is it going to happen? The explosion upward that all of them keep talking about?

Yes K, I follow KWN religiously and often ask myself the same question. Would give anything to be able to answer your question, but I honestly do not know.
What I am positive of is the fact of it's being manipulated by the skunks to keep the attention of the dim away from it. The worst part of being a gold bug is the constant battle with the skunks at city hall and the endless legions of fools that have been brainwashed by them into thinking it is something bad, rather than something good to protect them from the ravages of inflating fiat. They are a devious, hateful, powerful group, the Skunks,  and will never stop until forced to by events beyond their control. There is no pinpointing that event or time, but it feels to me close at hand .
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on January 14, 2013, 07:10:09 AM
Hello Golden Oxen, you are very sweet to inquire. Having been through some harrowing experiences I am now on the West Coast trying to recuperate. I am trying to catch up by lurking but you caught me unaware. I have really missed everyone and the Diner very much. Guess I became more fond than I realized. Glad to read that Nobody also returned. Didn't know what to make of "Secretary of Labor". In fact didn't know what was expected by the PM from WHD assume the position. Maybe you can explain. But have followed all your posts on PMs with rapt attentiveness. Also follow KWN. But when in heavens name is it going to happen? The explosion upward that all of them keep talking about? Anyway I have a lot more catching up to do. Thanks and talk to you later. K.

Hi K

Sorry to hear you have been unwell hope you make a full recovery, our thoughts with you.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 14, 2013, 09:51:54 AM
Quote
Didn't know what to make of "Secretary of Labor". In fact didn't know what was expected by the PM from WHD assume the position. Maybe you can explain.

Hi K. Good to hear you are still around. The PM was a fluke; RE dictator appointed me Head of the IRS, and so I enumerated my first four policies, and was hoping the other cabinet mini-dictators might get in on the fun, with their own prescriptions. To wit:

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Peter Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff  RE Head of the FED   Surly Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.  WHD Head of The IRS. Karpatok Secretary of Labor.  Stucky President's Press Secretary  Roamer Head of Agriculture.

Quote
My first act as Dictator of the IRS, is to declare that every Agent shall for the remainder of this tax season, wear a wig of a vintage predating Clinton/Rubin/Greenspan bank deregulation, an ugly Christmas sweater and goodwill corduroy slacks and NO footwear, AT ALL TIMES, while on official IRS biz.  My second act, is to throw away the tax code, to be replaced by no Federal Income Tax, up to $250,000, above which ALL income will be taxed at a 99% clip. My third act is to seize the entire assets of all those in any executive position at any of the top tier banks, Fed, or top financial bureaucratic gov positions 1980-2013, after which they will be given a choice between a cupful of hemlock tea, or spending the rest of their days growing food and distributing it to people in need. My fourth Act is to tax the MIlitary/Industrial complex into oblivion.

Your humble servant,
WHD

Methinks, having come to think, the most indispensable asset any real doomer can have, being a sense of humor?
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on January 14, 2013, 10:16:53 AM
Hello Golden Oxen, you are very sweet to inquire. Having been through some harrowing experiences I am now on the West Coast trying to recuperate. I am trying to catch up by lurking but you caught me unaware. I have really missed everyone and the Diner very much. Guess I became more fond than I realized. Glad to read that Nobody also returned. Didn't know what to make of "Secretary of Labor". In fact didn't know what was expected by the PM from WHD assume the position. Maybe you can explain. But have followed all your posts on PMs with rapt attentiveness. Also follow KWN. But when in heavens name is it going to happen? The explosion upward that all of them keep talking about? Anyway I have a lot more catching up to do. Thanks and talk to you later. K.

Glad you are back, in whatever capacity.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Items Baffling GO
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 15, 2013, 04:16:06 AM
Have been mulling over a few items I had thought would have been impossible a short time ago and thought I would throw them on the Diner table for possible input from others.

How has the conflict with Iran been avoided for so long?  :icon_scratch:

How the hell is that NY subway system up and running as if Sandy never happened?  :icon_scratch:

How is it possible that the Euro could rally against the Dollar for the past six months?  :icon_scratch:

How can Spain be borrowing money at reasonable rates again when it is bankrupt and in  a state of economic collapse?  :icon_scratch:

How could that nuclear accident in Japan become an old dead story of no interest to no one?   :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

How can a bank be fined two billion dollars for working with drug cartels, be allowed to continue operating, and the officers and people responsible walk about as good citizens and even be allowed to keep their obscene bonuses?  :icon_scratch:

 :icon_study:    :dontknow: :dontknow:


Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Items Baffling GO
Post by: Snowleopard on January 15, 2013, 08:44:15 AM
Have been mulling over a few items I had thought would have been impossible a short time ago and thought I would throw them on the Diner table for possible input from others.

How has the conflict with Iran been avoided for so long?  :icon_scratch:

How the hell is that NY subway system up and running as if Sandy never happened?  :icon_scratch:

How is it possible that the Euro could rally against the Dollar for the past six months?  :icon_scratch:

How can Spain be borrowing money at reasonable rates again when it is bankrupt and in  a state of economic collapse?  :icon_scratch:

How could that nuclear accident in Japan become an old dead story of no interest to no one?   :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

How can a bank be fined two billion dollars for working with drug cartels, be allowed to continue operating, and the officers and people responsible walk about as good citizens and even be allowed to keep their obscene bonuses?  :icon_scratch:

 :icon_study:    :dontknow: :dontknow:

Hi GO

All good questions.  Each worthy of its own thread.

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How has the conflict with Iran been avoided for so long?  :icon_scratch:

There are several answers to this, depending on which battle plan you expect to be used.   Let us look at one: the "Israeli preemptive strike" scenario. 

In this scenario, Israel must survive missle attack long enough for USA/NATO to be persuaded (or false flagged) to come to the rescue.  Gaza, Syria, and Hezbollah could have easily overwhelmed Israeli missle defense, allowing Iran to hit Israeli cities.  The recent test arranged with Gaza was usefull in showing defects in the missle defense system and depleted the Gazan missle quiver abit.  Syria is an ally of Iran and could have complicated things in other ways.  Syria still has an intact modern anti-aircraft defense system, so western directed mercenaries, black ops, terrorists and jihadis are degrading that threat slowly without air cover.  We should expect a new test of the Israeli missle defense system, perhaps against Hezbollah, once a puppet is in place in Syria.  If that works out OK, then the strike on Iran can proceed.   Meanwhile USA/NATO armtwisters (diplomats) need to find ways to keep China, Russia and Pakistan out of the conflict.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 15, 2013, 09:53:31 AM
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We should expect a new test of the Israeli missle defense system, perhaps against Hezbollah, once a puppet is in place in Syria.  If that works out OK, then the strike on Iran can proceed.   Meanwhile USA/NATO armtwisters (diplomats) need to find ways to keep China, Russia and Pakistan out of the conflict.


Great perspective and ideas Snowleopard, certainly makes a lot of sense.

I listen to a gent named Jim Rickards, quite a financial writer and seemingly an intelligent man.
He was asked pretty much the same question I asked and his answer was much to the effect that, "Iran will not be allowed to have an atomic weapon. That is a certain of which there is no doubt;  how the war plays out is the only question, and he fears everyone will be forced to jump in for vital interests and recently signed oil deals.

My mind has become inquisitive about it because it appears the rhetoric has diminished markedly on the issue, and I am getting bad brain vibes of a sneak attack imminent on  account of the recent quiet. Just one of those vibes you keep getting that are hard to explain.   Thanks for your input. 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 15, 2013, 01:11:06 PM
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How can a bank be fined two billion dollars for working with drug cartels, be allowed to continue operating, and the officers and people responsible walk about as good citizens and even be allowed to keep their obscene bonuses?  :icon_scratch:

My own personal feeling about this one is, that most of the leadership of the world, from local police to the executive office, have been and are increasingly overtaken by murderers, pedophiles and sadists.

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How could that nuclear accident in Japan become an old dead story of no interest to no one?   :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

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'Cause if you pull it out -

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ALSO - See answer to first Question.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: luciddreams on January 15, 2013, 04:54:34 PM
how's it go?  "if you want to know the future, imagine a boot stomping on a face for all eternity"  something like that. 

Orwell was a god damn profit of biblical proportion IMO.  I don't see any reason to believe that we aren't going to get 1984 almost precisely. 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on January 15, 2013, 05:37:15 PM
GO

Fully agree with SL on the getting Syria and lebanon tidied up first before iran. Mitt Romney had a very different strategy, and he expressly stated this saying to Nutteryahoo "I think a strike on iran is a good idea". Then as soon as the election result was called all those ships sailed away from iran.

The syrian uprising is not what it seems. When civilians protest peacefully and then non peacefully you see riots like greece and spain. But in Syria we are meant to believe that peaceful protesters suddenly within 2 weeks were cracked down on by the govt and transformed into an armed resistance that put up a real fight against the army? NO CHANCE.

Syria and Iran have an alliance/defence pact, so attacking syria should draw iran to its aid, or isolate iran further with a regime change.

A straight attack on iran would have iran attacking israel and saudi and then israels neighbours like syria and lebanon all attacking israel. Just maybe the sanctions will work to secure a deal with iran to not enrich uranium, but it seems the us is not rally interested in that because they are not offering anything at all as an incentive, Its all My way or the Highway.


Boiling Frogs Post has a recent interview of an expert.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 15, 2013, 05:46:25 PM
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GO

Fully agree with SL on the getting Syria and lebanon tidied up first before iran. Mitt Romney had a very different strategy, and he expressly stated this saying to Nutteryahoo "I think a strike on iran is a good idea". Then as soon as the election result was called all those ships sailed away from iran.

Could very well be Unc. Too much craziness over there for me to be confident about any one forecast.

That Mideast is a friggin MAD HOUSE! 
Title: Re: Pitiful-pathetic-pukeworthy-politics
Post by: Petty Tyrant on January 17, 2013, 05:39:12 AM
Regardless of where you stand on the whole gun control issue, the president using a bunch of kids as a backdrop to sign off on some new EO's hit a new low in politics. First cab off the rank, armour piercing ammo, because we all know what a threat that is to schoolkids (in iraq and afghanistan and syria it is), but just coincidentally also make martial law just so much harder to enforce. Anybody buying those could only have one reason, which is to take on a tank, apc or kevlar coat at least. Are they adding that for those who ride to school in helmets, do I really look that stupid?

Title: Re: Golden Oxen's Model plane hobbyists know the risks of lithium-ion batteries
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 18, 2013, 08:41:12 PM
The FAA relied on Boeing for safety data. They should have asked model plane enthusiasts.

Model plane hobbyists know the risks of lithium-ion batteries
By Craig Timberg, Published: January 17

A scale model of a Reaper drone rumbled down the runway and lifted into the gray Canadian sky, powered by a plastic propeller and a lithium-ion battery. When the tiny plane crashed back to earth a few seconds later, white smoke began rising from the wreckage.

“Why is it on fire?” one of the hobbyists asked the other, moments before bright orange flames began shooting from the crash site.

The weary reply, captured on video, was: “Battery.”

Small, potent lithium-ion power packs have transformed the world of radio-controlled model aircraft, much as they have allowed smartphones to get thinner, power tools to work longer and electric cars to go farther. But a pair of serious incidents this month involving rechargeable batteries in Boeing 787 Dreamliners have highlighted what model-airplane hobbyists long have known — lithium-ion technology comes with inherent dangers.

Considering the sheer numbers of lithium-ion batteries — more than 4 billion rechargeable cells were made last year, according to industry figures — fires are not common. After a battery-powered Chevy Volt ignited after a test crash in 2011, federal investigators said electric cars were no more vulnerable than gas-powered vehicles, more than 20 of which catch fire each hour in the United States.

Yet some risk persists, and the results can be startling. When a cellphone battery overheats — a rare event — it can eject itself with a loud “pop,” leaving singe marks behind. Lithium-ion battery packs can have prolonged fires as each cell, typically the size of a man’s finger, gradually ignites.

“It could be a smoke bomb. It could be a flamethrower,” said Gerard Back, a senior engineer with Hughes Associates, a fire-protection company in Baltimore that investigated the Volt incident. “I’ve seen them look like every type of firework you can imagine.”

Boeing and other manufacturers are keenly aware of this peril and have built in safety features designed to keep voltages within safe limits, prevent short circuits and confine damage when problems do occur. Lithium-ion batteries in laptop computers and other consumer devices are supposed to shut down rather than allow overheating that might cause a fire. In such ways danger is minimized, though not eliminated.
                                                 
                                           
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Title: The Great Wall that GOD Built to Protect the Independent Souls of the World
Post by: RE on January 23, 2013, 04:15:43 AM
There is a lot to be said for using Tag Lines and Phrases over and over again only you use in your online posting.  I just did an experiment with one of mine.

Try typing into Google

"The Great Wall that GOD built to protect the independent souls of the world"

Or just copy/paste that to Google.

You'll get back 3 pages of Links from here, TBP and Raging Debate too! All my posts!

Gotta love internet search engines.

RE
Title: The Greatest Bonfire of Paper Wealth in all of Recorded History
Post by: RE on January 23, 2013, 04:29:21 AM
Here is another one for you to try on Google:

"The Greatest Bonfire of Paper Wealth in all of Recorded History"

You'll get stuff from Peak Oil and Ticker Forum too! LOL.

That BTW was my first "Quote of the Month" on Peak Oil. :icon_mrgreen:

RE
Title: Captain Cook Adventures
Post by: RE on January 25, 2013, 06:54:28 PM
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Hey Gang!

I've got some Bizness in Anchorage this weekend so I decided I would Splurge and go first Class at the "4 Star" Hotel in "downtown" Anchorage, the Captain Cook.

I bought a Junior Suite for $200/night,and parking for the Mazda cost me $25. I'll have dinner in a bit up in the Crow's Nest, I'll let you know how much I drop there. :)  $100 I am sure easy.

My penurious side did come out though, I brought in a 12-pack of Alaskan Amber IPA instead of ordering Booze up from the Hotel bar.  :icon_mrgreen:

Not sure what the Escort Service girl will charge. LOL.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 25, 2013, 07:31:57 PM
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My penurious side did come out though, I brought in a 12-pack of Alaskan Amber IPA instead of ordering Booze up from the Hotel bar.  :icon_mrgreen:

Not sure what the Escort Service girl will charge. LOL.

RE

Haahaaahaaa! LOL! Have fun!

Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on January 25, 2013, 07:43:59 PM
lookin sharp there RE, nothing wrong with splashing out on a bit of luxury now and then as long as you still can.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: JoeP on January 25, 2013, 08:15:43 PM
Good for you. Let your hair down and have a blast.  Could be a nice opportunity to really focus on your "youthful" side.  I'm sure you'll tell us all 'bout it.  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Waiting for Dinner
Post by: RE on January 25, 2013, 09:08:43 PM
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I ordered the Thai Coconut-Curry King Crab Soup and the New Zealand Elk Rack with a wild mushroom risoto side.

Tougher choice on the Escorts Menu, Eskimo, Asian, White, Brown or Black?   :icon_mrgreen:

RE
Title: View from the Crow's Nest
Post by: RE on January 26, 2013, 01:51:51 AM
The Meal

Thai Coconut Curry Soup
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New Zealand Elk Rack
(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/NZelkrack.jpg)

View from the Top
(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/crowsnestview.jpg)

Once Upon a Time, I LIVED in the Age of Oil.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on January 26, 2013, 03:36:45 AM
Wheres the eskimo escort for desert? :evil4: :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 26, 2013, 04:00:00 AM
Wheres the eskimo escort for desert? :evil4: :icon_mrgreen:

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RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant View from The Crow's nest
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 26, 2013, 04:50:18 AM
I see you like your meat cooked RARE.   :laugh:  :emthup:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant View from The Crow's nest
Post by: RE on January 26, 2013, 05:13:47 AM
I see you like your meat cooked RARE.   :laugh:  :emthup:

I was informed by the Waitstaff that this prticlar dish ONLY comes RARE, because of he way it is cooked, first baked in a bag with marination, then briefly braised afterward.

Or were you refering to the Little Eskimo?  LOL.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 26, 2013, 05:28:35 AM
No I meant the Elk Rack, looks exceptional, Tender like Filet Mignon or Tough?? 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Golden Oxen on January 26, 2013, 05:35:52 AM


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Elk Meat-Raw Nutrition Facts

Serving Size 4 ounces (1.3g)
Amount per Serving
Calories 130    Calories from fat 15
     % daily value
Total Fat 1.5g    3%
Saturated Fat 0.5    3%
Stearic Acid 0 g.
Polyunsaturated 0 g.
Monounsaturated 0 g.
Cholesterol 60 mg    21%
Soduim 65mg    3%
Potassium 350mg    10%
Total Carbohydrate 0 g    0%
Dietary Fiber 0 g    0%
Soluble Fiber 0 g.    
Insoluble Fiber 0 g.    
Sugars 0 g    
Sugar Alcohols 0 g.    
Other Carbohydrates 0 g.    
Protein 25gm
Vitamin A 0%    Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 0%    Iron 15%
Vitamin E 0%    Thiamin 20%
Riboflavin 45%    Niacin 30%
Vitamin B6 20%    Folute 2%
Vitamin B12 110%    
Pantothenic Acid 25%    Phosphorus 20%
Iodine    Magnesium 6%
Zinc 20%    Copper 6%
Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be bigger depending on your calorie needs
Calories per gram
Fat 9    Car 4    Protein 4

 

 
ELK MEAT
NUTRITIONAL INFORMATION


Elk meat is quite low in fat and and slightly lower cholesterol than most other red meats.  Domestic elk are never fed any steroids,  hormones or growth antibiotics.  These charts are from "The Wild Diet" Outdoor Life, 8/02, by Kathy Etling.
 
Good Fat, Bad Fat
Species    Saturated (bad fat)    %Fatty Acids
Monounsaturated    Polyunsaturated (good fat)
Beef    46.3    45.5    8.2
Buffalo    43.2    45.0    11.8
Mule Deer    48.0    31.8    20.2
Whitetail Deer    45.6    30.6    23.9
Elk    48.4    26.6    24.9
Antelope    41.2    27.1    31.6
Moose    36.6    24.3    39.1
Boar    35.7    47.    17.3
Caribou    46.6    36.4    17.0
Rabbit    39.0    35.6    25.4
Squirrel    15.2    47.2    37.6
Some game meat is high in dietary cholesterol than domestic meats, but the combination of more lean body tissue, generally fewer calories, less saturated fat and significantly higher percentage of cholesterol-reducing polyunsaturated fatty acids makes game a heart-healthy choice. Game meat also has a significantly higher content of EPA than domestic meat.   EPA is thought to reduce the risk of developing arteriosclerosis, one of the major causes of heart attack and stroke.
Source: North Dakota Sate University and U.S. Department of Agriculture

Nutrient Content: Tale of the Tape
Species    Protein %    Fat %    Cholesterol (mg/100g*)    Calories (Kcal/100g*)
Beef (USDA choice)    22.0    6.5    72    180
Beef (USDA standard)    22.7    2.0    69    152
Lamb    20.8    5.7    66    167
Pork    22.3    4.9    71    165
Wild Boar**    28.3    4.38    109    160
Buffalo    21.7    1.9    62    138
Whitetail Deer    23.6    1.4    116    149
Mule Deer    23.7    1.3    107    145
Elk    22.8    .9    67    137
Moose    22.1    .5    71    130
Antelope    22.5    .9    112    144
Squirrel    21.4    3.2    83    149
Cottontail    21.8    2.4    77    144
Jackrabbit    21.9    2.4    131    153
Chicken    23.6    .7    62    135
Turkey (domestic)    23.5    1.5    60    146
Wild Turkey    25.7    1.1    55    163
Pheasant (domestic)    23.9    .8    71    144
Wild Pheasant    25.7    .6    52    148
Gray Partridge    25.6    .7    85    151
Sharptail Grouse    23.8    .7    105    142
Sage Grouse    23.7    1.1    101    140
Dove    22.9    1.8    94    145
Sandhill Crane    21.7    2.4    123    153
Snow Goose    22.7    3.6    142    121
Duck (domestic)    19.9    4.25    89    180
Mallard    23.1    2.0    140    152
Widgeon    22.6    2.1    131    153

*100 grams equals about 3 1/2 ounces.

** Not trimmed of fat before analysis.

In the above chart, all visible fat was trimmed before analysis. However, surveys show that carcasses of domesticated animals have 25 to 30 percent fat while the average fat content of wild game animals is only 4.3 percent. Not only is the quantity of fat lower in game, but the quantity is also healthier. Fat from wild game contains a much higher proportion of polyunsaturated fatty acids-good fat- and is lower in saturated fat-bad fat.

Source: North Dakota State University

Elk meat is healthy, low fat, low cholesterol and Great Taste!  Grande Natural Meats sells only pure North American Rocky Mountain Elk.  Many restaurants and stores stock New Zealand "wapiti" or Red Deer. A good product, but NOT NORTH AMERICAN ELK.   Always ask if it's "Real Elk."

Eat more Elk! It's Healthy and tastes Great!
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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 26, 2013, 08:50:04 AM
Did GO just offer us up a detailed analysis of the STEAK? LOL
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on January 26, 2013, 09:45:48 AM
He did, the verdict is eating that is very GOOD, so now he can go be BAD, paint that town red lol.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 26, 2013, 10:04:39 AM
He did, the verdict is eating that is very GOOD, so now he can go be BAD, paint that town red lol.

He was a little late with that, though, GO was. Unless the escort stayed of her own accord, wooed by RE's charms, through the morning. Perhaps they're still together. Saturday in Anchorage. What's the weather? Maybe that WAS the bizness RE had planned, his trip to the big city. He showed us his face! Momentous! LOL :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on January 26, 2013, 08:44:19 PM
I bet he hit a bar or two after dinner...hey little eskimo pie, come back to my doomstead and help repopulate the planet? :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 26, 2013, 10:42:43 PM
No I meant the Elk Rack, looks exceptional, Tender like Filet Mignon or Tough??

It's not as tender as filet, but it's not the same cut either,  It's more like a Ribeye Steak or Rack of Lamb without the fat.  More flavor than beef, a little more nuanced than lamb.

RE
Title: Now Why Don’t They Shop?
Post by: RE on January 27, 2013, 07:26:12 AM
Now Why Don’t They Shop? (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/01/27/now-why-dont-they-shop/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog.

Barely managed to squeak this out in time for Sunday Brunch on the Diner, EST anyhow.

"The Human Grocery Store, it Feeds the Rich while it Buries the Poor".

Thank you, Axel Rose.

http://www.youtube.com/v/E9VhD4SccSE

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 27, 2013, 06:14:40 PM
RE! Loved your Captain Cook expose! I've got one of their frequent stayer club cards, it's the only place I stay when in Anchorage.

No surprise here either that you would take this opportunity once again to BRAG about your current position in life as an apparatchik for the Elite.  "Lookee me, I stay at Cap'n Cook all the time!" LOL.

Probably not a whole lot different than the Jackass at the next table over who was promoting his Robotics project to two over aging female Oil Industry apparatchiks.  Somehow I maintained my composure and resisted the temptation to dump my $16/glass of Pinot Grigio over his head.

Anyhow, I kept mouth shut and enjoyed my dinner wih the rest of the 1% up there, so I can once again be held accountable for my Hypocrisy.  The main difference though is I can see and acknowedge the unsustainabilty of this paradigm, and I have more money than you do.  :icon_mrgreen:

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 27, 2013, 06:36:17 PM
RE! Loved your Captain Cook expose! I've got one of their frequent stayer club cards, it's the only place I stay when in Anchorage.

No surprise here either that you would take this opportunity once again to BRAG about your current position in life as an apparatchik for the Elite.  "Lookee me, I stay at Cap'n Cook all the time!" LOL.

Probably not a whole lot different than the Jackass at the next table over who was promoting his Robotics project to two over aging female Oil Industry apparatchiks.  Somehow I maintained my composure and resisted the temptation to dump my $16/glass of Pinot Grigio over his head.

Anyhow, I kept mouth shut and enjoyed my dinner wih the rest of the 1% up there, so I can once again be held accountable for my Hypocrisy.  The main difference though is I can see and acknowedge the unsustainabilty of this paradigm, and I have more money than you do.  :icon_mrgreen:

RE

LOL! Hey RE, did you see what # was MKing's reply? It's a sign. Who MKing REALLY is came through in this post, more than in any other, by a long shot.  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 27, 2013, 07:25:52 PM

LOL! Hey RE, did you see what # was MKing's reply? It's a sign. Who MKing REALLY is came through in this post, more than in any other, by a long shot.  :icon_mrgreen:

Granted Socrates' attitude comes through strongly in this post, but it is often apparent.  I pegged it going way back to his first posting on Lazy and Supid Younglings.  Recent posting suggesting everyone should ask their employer (assuming they have one) to drop PV cells on the Roof of the company building so they can charge up their EVs for free.  Right.  Employers invest $100s Thousands all the time to provide Free Bennies for their Employees.

His running theme here is that HE is "sucessful", HE lives the Good Life and HE will continue to do so.  Beyond that, he believes that Stratification of Society into Haves and Have Nots is OK, 10B OF COURSE can't live the Good Life like he does, but he DESERVES it because he is Smart and a first class Ass Kisser of his Illuminati Masters.

IOW, Socrates demonstrates why the Inquisition can't stop wth JUST the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, there are a lot of Apparatchiks that need to face Eternal Justice before the Auto-da-Fe also.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UKD6iwMrQmQ/S6gm1_0G68I/AAAAAAAABl4/BbNHoTESntE/s1600/151820__si_l.jpg)

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 27, 2013, 07:46:49 PM

LOL! Hey RE, did you see what # was MKing's reply? It's a sign. Who MKing REALLY is came through in this post, more than in any other, by a long shot.  :icon_mrgreen:

Granted Socrates' attitude comes through strongly in this post, but it is often apparent.  I pegged it going way back to his first posting on Lazy and Supid Younglings.  Recent posting suggesting everyone should ask their employer (assuming they have one) to drop PV cells on the Roof of the company building so they can charge up their EVs for free.  Right.  Employers invest $100s Thousands all the time to provide Free Bennies for their Employees.

His running theme here is that HE is "sucessful", HE lives the Good Life and HE will continue to do so.  Beyond that, he believes that Stratification of Society into Haves and Have Nots is OK, 10B OF COURSE can't live the Good Life like he does, but he DESERVES it because he is Smart and a first class Ass Kisser of his Illuminati Masters.

IOW, Socrates demonstrates why the Inquisition can't stop wth JUST the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, there are a lot of Apparatchiks that need to face Eternal Justice before the Auto-da-Fe also.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UKD6iwMrQmQ/S6gm1_0G68I/AAAAAAAABl4/BbNHoTESntE/s1600/151820__si_l.jpg)

RE

Damn! I didn't even put it together. I didn't realize MKing was the Lazy and Stupid Younglings guy. Now I get it.

As for the Auto-da-Fe, I prefer my idea, Hemlock (or some such local equivalent) tea, or growing food and delivering it to people in need, for the rest of their days, or until such time as they prove they are capable of some other honest living.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on January 27, 2013, 08:12:56 PM
RE! Loved your Captain Cook expose! I've got one of their frequent stayer club cards, it's the only place I stay when in Anchorage.

No surprise here either that you would take this opportunity once again to BRAG about your current position in life as an apparatchik for the Elite.  "Lookee me, I stay at Cap'n Cook all the time!" LOL.

Sorry, I'm not even smart enough to know what an apparatchik is. I just know that the Captain Cook ain't all bad, and apparently it didn't bother you all that much either.

Quote from: RE
Probably not a whole lot different than the Jackass at the next table over who was promoting his Robotics project to two over aging female Oil Industry apparatchiks.  Somehow I maintained my composure and resisted the temptation to dump my $16/glass of Pinot Grigio over his head.

I don't know what Pinot Grigo is either. For me it is Diet Mt Dew or water.

Quote from: RE
Anyhow, I kept mouth shut and enjoyed my dinner wih the rest of the 1% up there, so I can once again be held accountable for my Hypocrisy.  The main difference though is I can see and acknowedge the unsustainabilty of this paradigm, and I have more money than you do.  :icon_mrgreen:

RE

I'm right with you on the unsustainability. And certainly you must have more money than I do, I've never paid $199 a night for the Captain Cook but they do strike me as being able to spot a sucker from a mile off.  :laugh: :laugh:

   :evil4: Screwtape the Dissimulator  :evil4:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 27, 2013, 08:27:20 PM

Sorry, I'm not even smart enough to know what an apparatchik is.

If you lack smarts enough to know the meaning of "apparatchik", exactly why would anyone believe you have smarts enough to grasp basic thermodynamics or even single variable differential equations?  Using Stupidity as your defense here is mighty counterproductive.



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I don't know what Pinot Grigo is either. For me it is Diet Mt Dew or water.

A real Man of the People.  All those stays at Cap'n Cook, you never perused the Wine List?

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I'm right with you on the unsustainability. And certainly you must have more money than I do, I've never paid $199 a night for the Captain Cook but they do strike me as being able to spot a sucker from a mile off.  :laugh: :laugh:

You are not "with me" at all.  You are the one putting up Fracking Garden of Eden pics here.

Far as being a Sucker goes for coughing up $200 for a Suite, I'm not a Frequent Flyer and I don't work for Industry that books the rooms in bulk for Visiting Apparatchiks.  So I pay retail more or less. It's Chump Change anyhow.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 28, 2013, 02:31:09 AM
As for the Auto-da-Fe, I prefer my idea, Hemlock (or some such local equivalent) tea, or growing food and delivering it to people in need, for the rest of their days, or until such time as they prove they are capable of some other honest living.

Worthy sentiment from a Compassionate sort of fellow, Surly and Peter also fall in this Camp.  Amongst the Admins here on the Diner I stand alone on this topic.  I am OUTTA PATIENCE for Jackasses.

Bottom Line:  Lotta People just gotta GO here.   What we need is a Justice System that sends the ones most deserving to the Great Beyond FIRST.  A little Penitence can go a long way, but Socrates is not the LEAST bit Penitent.

Fortunately for these folks, at this point it remains Highly Unlikely I will be Elected as Chief Justice & Lord High Executioner. If that ever came to pass, Heads would Roll like Bowling Balls.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Stucky1 on January 29, 2013, 09:23:46 AM
RE

The Captain Cook piece was a most enjoyable read.

However, you are a fool for buying that $15 coat.  Please write a followup post when that Chink-Slave-Labor-POS-coat falls apart.  I suspect it will be within 3 months.

Last year I bought a pair of house slippers at Chinamart.  It took about a mere 5 weeks for the soles to separate.  You get what you pay for, fool!  lol
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 29, 2013, 10:06:42 PM
RE

The Captain Cook piece was a most enjoyable read.

However, you are a fool for buying that $15 coat.  Please write a followup post when that Chink-Slave-Labor-POS-coat falls apart.  I suspect it will be within 3 months.

Last year I bought a pair of house slippers at Chinamart.  It took about a mere 5 weeks for the soles to separate.  You get what you pay for, fool!  lol

You didn't read the article carefully Stuck.  In the end I didn't buy the coat or any of the other clothing this go-round.  I left the whole basketfull in the aisle for the night staff to restock.

However, overall I have been more fortunate than you with the footwear.  I'm on my second year in the same pair of $20 high top sneakers I wear in the winter.

I also keep in reserve high quality, high price Boots and outer wear for after TSHTF and the cheap stuff wears out.  I should be good until I head for the Great Beyond.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on January 30, 2013, 05:31:58 PM
I certainly don't confuse not being familiar with what rich folks like you foolishly spend their money on with stupidity.

Hey, you were the one that said you aren't smart enough to know what "apparatchik" means.

Quote from: MKing
Sorry, I'm not even smart enough to know what an apparatchik is.

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One parent as an alcoholic is all it took for me to realize that Jesus juice be bad.

That explains your condition.  Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.

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Why you hide your light in Alaska seems a bit strange, end of the roaders aren't usually the crowd I would expect well-born and rich folks to hang with, but good for you, dabbling on the other side of the tracks as it were.

Spent most of my adult life hanging with the Working Class.  I like them better.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: buzzard on February 01, 2013, 10:02:00 AM
MKing is a member of the bussing staff and he doesn't even know how the world works? I'm embarrassed to have him as a member of my profession. He's giving all us honest lurkers a bad name. Heaven help us if he makes it to Wait Staff. It will mean that our job is only beginning. It's fun anyway to see him drop a tray full of glasses then look around to see if anyone noticed.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on February 01, 2013, 05:18:06 PM
Yeah that sums  it up lol, Im almost embarrassed for his cornfed ass. new mantra to try debunk discredit peak oil  now his old one has failed too many times is peak oilers are UPSET that gasoline is a "thing constructed from other things". Apparently 15% corn ethanol in the odd pump (a layperson has to name these "things" for him) upsets me, when I couldnt give a shit about that.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Are You Ready For No Football?
Post by: Golden Oxen on February 03, 2013, 05:24:34 PM
 Are You Ready For No Football?
It's once again Super Bowl Sunday, and time for this post I wrote a couple years ago, but forgot to post on the big day. So, in honor of this Packerless Super Bowl, I can finally post it. In it, I wonder just how much of a shelf life professional football has due to a combination of economic contraction and lawsuits from concussions.

During the height of the Roman Empire, you could find an arena in almost any major Roman city putting on gladiatorial contests. It was a major business, as depicted in the movie Gladiator (not entirely historically accurate, but evocative nonetheless). As Rome foundered, gladiatorial contests faded into obscurity, as cities became more preoccupied with survival than sitting around and watching gladiators fight each other. Plus, daily life itself was more and more like a contest as civil wars and invasions roiled the empire. Money to put on such games dried up, and stadia were dismantled to put the marble to better use.

Today, there is a clear connection between American sports, Christianity, militarism and commercialism, which all coalesce in a quintissentially American milieu. It's no exaggeration when people conflate Packers fandom with a religion. Prayer is recited before high school games in many parts of the country, and many players trumpet their religious faith and get religious tattoos. Sports, sublimating yourself to a team and obeying rules, is a great preperation for military service, something the British too realized during the heyday of their empire.

Commercials are as big a deal as the game now, and one has to wonder at not only the mental state of the people these commercials appeal to, but the tremendous waste in a society that can't even keep it's infrastructure sound or it's basic public services funded. How much of our economy is dedicated to this essentially useless and unproductive activity? How much economic "growth" has it been responsible for?


Interesting, rather lengthy article. 

http://hipcrime.blogspot.com/2013/02/are-you-ready-for-no-football.html (http://hipcrime.blogspot.com/2013/02/are-you-ready-for-no-football.html)   :icon_study:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Are You Ready For No Football?
Post by: RE on February 03, 2013, 06:47:02 PM
Are You Ready For No Football?

Absolutely!  We will need an entertaining substitute though.

I suggest Feeding the Banksters to the Lions.
 
Lloyd Blankfein, John Corzine, Ben Bernanke,  Mario Draghi, Christine Lagarde, Olli Rehn and Associates in Conference before their Meeting with Kitty.
(http://www.rapturechrist.com/lionrome.jpg)

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: monsta666 on February 03, 2013, 06:52:51 PM
There was a 35 minute blackout in the third quarter of the Super Bowl due to a transformer failure so there is something even for the doomers to talk about!
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Are You Ready For No Football?
Post by: Golden Oxen on February 03, 2013, 06:56:56 PM
Are You Ready For No Football?

Absolutely!  We will need an entertaining substitute though.

I suggest Feeding the Banksters to the Lions.
 
Lloyd Blankfein, John Corzine, Ben Bernanke,  Mario Draghi, Christine Lagarde, Olli Rehn and Associates in Conference before their Meeting with Kitty.
(http://www.rapturechrist.com/lionrome.jpg)

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 :icon_sunny: :icon_sunny: :multiplespotting: :aola: :wav: :partytime2: :partytime2: :circle: :circle: :pile: :pile: :circle: :eusa_boohoo: :eusa_boohoo: :partytime2: :eusa_dance: :eusa_dance:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Are You Ready For No Football?
Post by: Petty Tyrant on February 03, 2013, 07:11:04 PM
Are You Ready For No Football?
It's once again Super Bowl Sunday, and time for this post I wrote a couple years ago, but forgot to post on the big day. So, in honor of this Packerless Super Bowl, I can finally post it. In it, I wonder just how much of a shelf life professional football has due to a combination of economic contraction and lawsuits from concussions.

During the height of the Roman Empire, you could find an arena in almost any major Roman city putting on gladiatorial contests. It was a major business, as depicted in the movie Gladiator (not entirely historically accurate, but evocative nonetheless). As Rome foundered, gladiatorial contests faded into obscurity, as cities became more preoccupied with survival than sitting around and watching gladiators fight each other. Plus, daily life itself was more and more like a contest as civil wars and invasions roiled the empire. Money to put on such games dried up, and stadia were dismantled to put the marble to better use.

Today, there is a clear connection between American sports, Christianity, militarism and commercialism, which all coalesce in a quintissentially American milieu. It's no exaggeration when people conflate Packers fandom with a religion. Prayer is recited before high school games in many parts of the country, and many players trumpet their religious faith and get religious tattoos. Sports, sublimating yourself to a team and obeying rules, is a great preperation for military service, something the British too realized during the heyday of their empire.

Commercials are as big a deal as the game now, and one has to wonder at not only the mental state of the people these commercials appeal to, but the tremendous waste in a society that can't even keep it's infrastructure sound or it's basic public services funded. How much of our economy is dedicated to this essentially useless and unproductive activity? How much economic "growth" has it been responsible for?


Interesting, rather lengthy article. 

http://hipcrime.blogspot.com/2013/02/are-you-ready-for-no-football.html (http://hipcrime.blogspot.com/2013/02/are-you-ready-for-no-football.html)   :icon_study:

When does economic contraction do anything accept promote and increase football following? look at any depression, people feel good about their team and care MORE about it as an escape. Spain at the time of their worst economic woe put together the best football team in history. Players always still get paid. The rest of the story ignores the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on February 03, 2013, 07:19:29 PM
There was a 35 minute blackout in the third quarter of the Super Bowl due to a transformer failure so there is something even for the doomers to talk about!

Really?  If so, "Transformer Failure" my ass.

Hackers.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: monsta666 on February 03, 2013, 08:16:44 PM
Really?  If so, "Transformer Failure" my ass.

Maybe it was a bit of an exaggeration to call it a blackout but half the stadium was in darkness and they had to stop the game for that period of time to get the power restored. I have heard such stories occurring in the English ah soccer league were someone in the inside cuts the cable due to receiving bribes from betting agencies. A popular time to do the cut is shortly after the half time mark due to the fact that many results will stand even if the game is postponed. Finally enough this cut out happened shortly after the half time show in the Super Bowl so there is a reasonable chance some foul play was afoot. I am sure people put a lot money into bets for this one so messing around with the power could have been done to make a quick buck. I am sure there will be an investigation into why this happened.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on February 05, 2013, 07:36:14 AM
"Under investigation" means we'll never really know what happened. Yet I heard a snippet on spots talk radio yesterday attributing the cause to Beyonce's remarkable bump-n-grind halftime show and its considerable power demands. Moveover, they mentioned something I had not heard-- which is that power failed the two previous times they had rehearsed the show.

And then there's the story below.

With all this said, I would not be surprised if it were skulduggery as outlined above. The Ravens were on their way to a blowout, which could well have been costing Someone a big pile. In any event, we'll never know. By the time the NFL is done "investigating," Lee Harvey Oswald will have done it with a single bullet.

Super Bowl outage was known fear
Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS -- The cause of a 34-minute blackout at the Super Bowl remains under investigation, but public records released Monday show that Superdome officials were worried about a power outage several months before the big game.

An Oct. 15 memo released by the Louisiana Stadium & Exposition District, which oversees the Superdome, says tests on the dome's electrical feeders showed they had "some decay and a chance of failure."

Entergy New Orleans, the company that supplies the stadium with power, and the structure's engineering staff "had concerns regarding the reliability of the Dome service from Entergy's connection point to the Dome," the memo says. Those concerns were due in part to "circumstances that have previously occurred with the electrical service regarding transient spikes and loads."

The memo also cites 2011 blackouts that struck Candlestick Park, where the San Francisco 49ers were playing a nationally televised Monday night football game, as a reason for ordering the tests.

The board later authorized spending nearly $1 million on Superdome improvements, including more than $600,000 for upgrading the dome's electrical feeder cable system.

"As discussed in previous board meetings, this enhancement is necessary to maintain both the Superdome and the New Orleans Arena as top tier facilities, and to ensure that we do not experience any electrical issues during the Super Bowl," says a LSED document dated Dec. 19.

An attorney for the state board that oversees the Superdome said the blackout did not appear to be related to the replacement in December of electrical equipment connecting the stadium to Entergy. Officials with the utility and the Superdome noted that an NFL game, the Sugar Bowl and another bowl game were played there in recent weeks with no apparent problems.

The exact cause of Sunday night's blackout -- and who's to blame -- remained unclear late Monday, though a couple of potential culprits had been ruled out.

It wasn't Beyonce's electrifying halftime performance, according to Doug Thornton, manager of the state-owned Superdome, since the singer had her own generator. And it apparently wasn't a case of too much demand for power. Meters showed the 76,000-seat stadium was drawing no more electricity than it does during a typical New Orleans Saints game, Thornton said.

The lights-out game Sunday proved an embarrassment for the Big Easy just when it was hoping to show the rest of the world how far it has come since Hurricane Katrina in 2005. But many fans and residents were forgiving, and officials expressed confidence that the episode wouldn't hurt the city's hopes of hosting the championship again.

To New Orleans' great relief, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said the city did a "terrific" job hosting its first pro football championship in the post-Hurricane Katrina era, and added: "I fully expect that we will be back here for Super Bowls."

(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0203/nfl_a_lightsoutts_288.jpg)
AP Photo/Marcio SanchezThe majority of lights went out in the Superdome during the Super Bowl, causing a 34-minute delay.

Fans watching from their living rooms weren't deterred, either. An estimated 108.4 million television viewers saw the Baltimore Ravens beat the 49ers 34-31, making it the third most-viewed program in television history. Both the 2010 and 2011 games hit the 111 million mark.

The problem that caused the outage was believed to have happened around the spot where a line that feeds current from Entergy New Orleans connects with the Superdome's electrical system, officials said. But whether the fault lay with the utility or with the Superdome was not clear.

Determining the cause will probably take days, according to Dennis Dawsey, a vice president for distribution and transmission for Entergy. He said the makers of some of the switching gear have been brought in to help figure out what happened.

The blackout came after a nearly flawless week of activity for football fans in New Orleans leading up to the big game.

"I hope that's not what they'll remember about this Super Bowl," French Quarter artist Gloria Wallis said. "I hope that what they'll remember is they had a great time here and that they were welcomed here."

Ravens fan Antonio Prezioso, a Baltimore native who went to the game with his 11-year-old son, said the outage just extended the experience.

"The more time we could spend at the game was a good thing, as long as it ended the way it did," he said, laughing.

The city last hosted the Super Bowl in 2002, and officials were hoping this would serve as the ultimate showcase for the city's recovery since Hurricane Katrina in 2005. The storm tore holes in the roof of the Superdome and caused water damage to its electrical systems, and more than $330 million was spent repairing and upgrading the stadium.

Garber: Best, Worst of Super Bowl XLVII

On a night filled with big plays, a bizarre power outage took center stage in Super Bowl XLVII. Greg Garber looks at that and the rest of the best and worst in the Superdome during the Ravens' win. Story

Sunday's Super Bowl was New Orleans' 10th as host, and officials plan to make a bid for an 11th in 2018.

Mayor Mitch Landrieu told WWL-AM on Monday that the outage won't hurt the city's chances, and he joked that the game got better after the blackout: "People were leaving and the game was getting boring, so we had to do a little something to spice it up."

The chairwoman of the New Orleans City Council's Utility Committee has called an emergency meeting for Friday to discuss the power outage.

Jarvis DeBerry, a columnist for nola.com and The Times-Picayune, wrote that the power outage gave the media "an opportunity to laugh at the apparent ineptitude or suggest that the ghosts of Hurricane Katrina were haunting the Superdome."

"That's not the kind of attention the city was looking for, obviously," he wrote, "but it's certainly too soon to say if people will remember the power shortage over San Francisco's furious comeback attempt against Baltimore or if this will harm the city's future opportunities to host the Super Bowl."

Bjorn Hanson, dean of New York University's Center for Hospitality and Sports Management, said the episode shouldn't hurt the city's reputation as a big convention destination. "I think people view it for what it was: an unusual event with a near-record power draw," he said. "It was the equivalent of a circuit breaker flipping."


Copyright 2013 by The Associated Press
Title: Treasure Trove
Post by: RE on February 08, 2013, 12:05:31 AM
I Cross Posted Small Bizness in a Sea of Irredeemable Debt on TBP, and in the commentary Kill Bill mentioned a popular article of mine featuring the Golden Corral Bugout method.  I don't have a copy of that article, so I went looking for it.

Couldn't find it, I suspect because it was on TBP1 on Jason's Raging Debate Network.  I did however turn up NUMEROUS articles I wrote before I started the Frostbite Falls Daily Rant, going back as far as November 2010.

I am going to start Republishing them here on the Diner every couple of days or so, at least the more "Timeless" ones, as well as some that are remarkable in terms of how well they predicted what was coming down the pipe.

I will go basically Chronologically, except since we have an Active Thread going on right now regarding Doomsteading and Bugging Out I will publish first Hierarchy of Bugout Needs.

I won't need to write anything new for at least a couple of months!  YAY!  Still will if something itches the Muse of course.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Beware Attack Page!
Post by: Golden Oxen on February 08, 2013, 05:27:49 AM
Diners, One of the sites on my daily gold new travels is King World.

When I click the link this morning I receive a forceful warning to not enter because it has become a known attack site. I was of course worried and did not proceed. I then became concerned it was a con job to block the site by TPTB. Could any one offer some advice about the situation. I am  not savvy at all about computers or viruses.

I am on Firefox for a default browser and would like to continue visiting the site, but not at the expense of damage to my computer.  Thanks for any help. GO   


http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/2/7_Calls_For_Printing_ (http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/2/7_Calls_For_Printing_)$30_-_$100_Trillion_Now,_It_Is_Out_Of_Control.html   
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: Beware Attack Page!
Post by: RE on February 08, 2013, 05:40:03 AM

I am on Firefox for a default browser and would like to continue visiting the site, but not at the expense of damage to my computer.  Thanks for any help. GO   


Buy a cheap Netbook or Tablet to surf sites you think might be compromised.  Worst case scenario you wipe the Hard Drive on the Netbook and reload the OP system.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on February 08, 2013, 05:59:00 AM
I went to the site from my work computer, which is arrayed with state of the art anti-virus hoo-hahs.

Got the same message you did. When I tried to bypass, It laughed another page, saying that Google had found "badware." The page in question did load; I was going to copy and past it here, but it wouldn't let me. Interesting.

If you are shaving with Occam's Razor this morning, the simplest explanation is that Kingworld has been hacked. They will need an exorcism, no dount.
Title: Jetsons to Flintstones
Post by: RE on February 10, 2013, 01:18:54 AM
Jetsons to Flintstones (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/02/10/jetsons-to-flintstones/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog!

This is the 1st of the articles I wrote on TBP2 I have been able to dig up there.  I added some Graphics for this publication.

Many themes since explored in greater depth are all in there.  I don't agree with everything I wrote there in 2010, but thematically I still find it valid enough to republish here on the Diner in 2013.

RE
Title: Re: Jetsons to Flintstones
Post by: Petty Tyrant on February 10, 2013, 05:56:32 PM
  I don't agree with everything I wrote there in 2010,

Really? I agree with ALL of it. Not because it was new ideas and the theory added up, but because it is the same way I have thought it all through with the same conclusions.
Title: Re: Jetsons to Flintstones
Post by: monsta666 on February 10, 2013, 07:10:05 PM
  I don't agree with everything I wrote there in 2010,

Really? I agree with ALL of it. Not because it was new ideas and the theory added up, but because it is the same way I have thought it all through with the same conclusions.

I can see some change of opinion in this article to some of the stuff RE has been suggesting more recently on the Diner. In this article he generally rejects the claim of man going back to the stone age, at least within the next 100 years. In more recent posts however most particular this one (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?topic=976.msg10473#msg10473) RE seems much more supportive of the idea that we will collapse back into stone age technology. I think there is a good chance this could happen; I am currently reading the Wealth of Nations by Charles Hall and while I am only in the beginning of this book it does stress that before fossil fuel the smelting and forging of metals was so energy intensive that many forests were cleared just to make the weapons for armies. If we consider the number of people in this planet, and the fact many of them will cut trees to remain warm (once fossil fuels become more scarce) it is quite probable that the world's wood will disappear very quickly indeed, in the order of a few decades. Off course this rate of destruction would be highly dependant on how quick the die-off would be. The quicker and more total the die-off is would mean the quality of life for the survivors would be higher. If die-off is sufficiently large and quick then more advanced technology could - at least in theory be maintained for longer.

In any case once the world has been largely deforested and all the remaining fossil fuel become too difficult to extract then it will become harder to maintain any metal tools and we will be back to using rocks.
Title: Re: Jetsons to Flintstones
Post by: RE on February 10, 2013, 07:55:39 PM


I can see some change of opinion in this article to some of the stuff RE has been suggesting more recently on the Diner. In this article he generally rejects the claim of man going back to the stone age, at least within the next 100 years. In more recent posts however most particular this one (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?topic=976.msg10473#msg10473) RE seems much more supportive of the idea that we will collapse back into stone age technology.

Indeed, that is the most significant change.

Back in 2010 I was still mostly in the 1750 Camp with Elvis, nowadays I consider a more rapid technological decline to paleolithic living standards as a significant possibility.

Also back then I felt we might be able to keep Nuke Plants running for a while longer than I think that is possible now (or even desireable).  That was written before Fuk-U-Shima of course.

I still don't think though that we collapse that fast to Stone Age, because I think the population will collapse mostly from Starvation and Disease before we cut down all the trees for firewood and cooking fuel.

The key though is insufficient energy available for not just metal smelting and forging, but Pottery and Glass making also.  Ever consider how tough it is to even Boil Water without this technology?  Basically the only containers you have are tightly woven baskets, gourds and the cleaned stomachs of animals.  The method for boiling water is to heat rocks in fire and then drop them in the liquid until it boils.  All those fine cooking methods like saute in garlic butter are out!

However, there are tons of pots and pans out there which will last quite some time.  For instance I have Lodge Logic Cast Iron stuff good for a century at least, and the Dutch Ovens that are Glazed with ceramic probably last Millenia like Ming Dynasty Pottery.  Hell even Corningware probably lasts that long.

I still doubt Stone Age in less than a century or two though, certainly not as fast as it arrives on Richard Duncan's graph.  I won't be around to see it, at least not from this side of the Great Divide.  I think I will hang out in the Spirit World for maybe 20K years while GAIA cleans up the mess, and return only then to Pilot a Catamaran Rigged Sailing Canoe to the Big Island of Hawaii.

(http://pvs.kcc.hawaii.edu/images/canoes/hokulea_drawing2.gif)

See You on the Other Side.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Makati1 on February 10, 2013, 09:53:22 PM
The only comment I would add to your updates in the comments above is that you don't seem recognize climate change and it's effects on civilization. Or did I miss them? 

It is now accepted fact by most of the world's climatologists that the earth is warming up faster than estimated even 10 years ago.  The Arctic becoming ice free in the summer in the next decade is stupendous evidence.  Not to mention the accelerated disappearance of glaciers all over the world, the ice cap on Greenland, and the speeding up of calving ice floes off of the Antarctic Ice Shelf.  The proposal that temperatures may increase by 6C, or more, by 2050 means that homo sapiens may not have a livable world in 2100.  After all, Mother Nature has no special fondness for us and will wipe us away without a second thought. She may already be preparing the next dominant species, the cock roach. Or something from the smoke volcanoes under the ocean.

I would never try to prove that it will or will not happen, but I am 68 and hope to have a few more decades to watch the events unfold. I am only sure of one thing, tech, and the first world energy excess that made it possible, is history and will not be missed by most of the world. After all, 2/3 of the Earth's people will not notice the loss.  And as to wars, they will have to be on a nuclear scale.  The world population increases by about 80,000,000+ new people per year.  That's more than the total deaths in the wars of the last 2,000 years.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on February 10, 2013, 10:37:35 PM
The only comment I would add to your updates in the comments above is that you don't seem recognize climate change and it's effects on civilization. Or did I miss them?

Just when I write a Post bemoaning the lack of Newbies posting, we get a GREAT 1st post from a Rookie Diner!  :hi: MKT!

You didn't miss anything, I didn't discuss Climate Issues in that article.  You should go to the blog and read some of the articles on Geotectonic Ocean Heat Transfer Theory (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/?s=%22Geotectonic+Ocean+Heat+Transfer%22) to get my perspectives on Climate issues.  WHDs Critique in that search also. Last to First, read bottom  up.

Changing climactic conditions are likely to move around where Survivable Zones are for Homo Sapiens, but at the moment I don't see Venusian style runaway Global Cooking as a likely scenario.  A new Ice Age seems to me at least as possible once enough Water Vapor is jacked up into the atmosphere.

In the near term, the Northern Latitude Zones seem best, longer term Equatorial Regions may be better.  Migrations will be necessary for sure.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on February 10, 2013, 10:51:20 PM
The only comment I would add to your updates in the comments above is that you don't seem recognize climate change and it's effects on civilization. Or did I miss them?

Just when I write a Post bemoaning the lack of Newbies posting, we get a GREAT 1st post from a Rookie Diner!  :hi: MKT!

You didn't miss anything, I didn't discuss Climate Issues in that article.  You should go to the blog and read some of the articles on Geotectonic Ocean Heat Transfer Theory (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/?s=%22Geotectonic+Ocean+Heat+Transfer%22) to get my perspectives on Climate issues.  WHDs Critique in that search also. Last to First, read bottom  up.

Changing climactic conditions are likely to move around where Survivable Zones are for Homo Sapiens, but at the moment I don't see Venusian style runaway Global Cooking as a likely scenario.  A new Ice Age seems to me at least as possible once enough Water Vapor is jacked up into the atmosphere.

In the near term, the Northern Latitude Zones seem best, longer term Equatorial Regions may be better.  Migrations will be necessary for sure.

RE

Welcome MKT!

 And an excellent point, about climate. Which, do you suppose the last four big east-coast storms - that derecho, Irene, Sandy, Nemo - are a trend? That extrapolated out doesn't bode well for the global economy.

Which RE, you say another ice age is likely. Would that trend the Doomstead Farm south to the Ozarks, or still the Driftless region of SE Wisconsin, which didn't get ground up by the last glacier, (though half of Wisconsin and Minnesota did)?   
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on February 10, 2013, 11:53:57 PM

Which RE, you say another ice age is likely. Would that trend the Doomstead Farm south to the Ozarks, or still the Driftless region of SE Wisconsin, which didn't get ground up by the last glacier, (though half of Wisconsin and Minnesota did)?

Blah.

Reality for me remains that the Last Great Frontier is best in the near term.

If I could convince enough others, I would pick Palmer, AK for a Farm style Doomstead.  Sadly, most folks won't consider Alaska, and you can't Bugout here quickly on the Interstate. When TSHTF, no way you make the whole trip across the Al-Can in your Bugout Machine.  There won't be refill Gas along the way, and carrying enough Gas to make it all the way from the Midwest is close to impossible.

Drought looks to be rough in the Ozarks right now.  Lower 48 is a crapshoot everywhere due to Population Issues, Nukes etc.

Still the most important aspect is the Community, and I will stick to my promise to put in shares anywhere in the Lower 48 10 other Diners decide to set up a Physical Doomstead Diner, under any reasonable paradigm.  Unlikely I show up, unless things really get bad here.  My motivation is to do what I can for Diners in the Lower 48.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Petty Tyrant on February 11, 2013, 02:51:59 PM
The only comment I would add to your updates in the comments above is that you don't seem recognize climate change and it's effects on civilization. Or did I miss them? 

It is now accepted fact by most of the world's climatologists that the earth is warming up faster than estimated even 10 years ago.  The Arctic becoming ice free in the summer in the next decade is stupendous evidence.  Not to mention the accelerated disappearance of glaciers all over the world, the ice cap on Greenland, and the speeding up of calving ice floes off of the Antarctic Ice Shelf.  The proposal that temperatures may increase by 6C, or more, by 2050 means that homo sapiens may not have a livable world in 2100.  After all, Mother Nature has no special fondness for us and will wipe us away without a second thought. She may already be preparing the next dominant species, the cock roach. Or something from the smoke volcanoes under the ocean.

I would never try to prove that it will or will not happen, but I am 68 and hope to have a few more decades to watch the events unfold. I am only sure of one thing, tech, and the first world energy excess that made it possible, is history and will not be missed by most of the world. After all, 2/3 of the Earth's people will not notice the loss.  And as to wars, they will have to be on a nuclear scale.  The world population increases by about 80,000,000+ new people per year.  That's more than the total deaths in the wars of the last 2,000 years.

WElcome to DD Makati

Good point re climate change, RE does make that point often elsewhere. While 2/3 of worlds people live in developing countries, still most of these are in cities reliant on ytractors and trucks for farming. India has a suicide epidemic of old style oxen ploughing farmers who can not compete at present. Then there is an issue of when the UN moves in after a famine they never leave. I worked for the UN WFP (world food program) for a while, and everyone said "oh, we'll be here for years and years" at the time I could not see why not just leave after the crisis, but they were right thats how it works. Then there is the issue of massive amounts of farmland in the developing world such as africa being bought up to feed the first world, by especially chinese.

So theres not so many old school subsistence farmers or hunter gatherers like Bushmen or Masai herder/hunters, rural peasant sharecroppers numbers using old ways not dependant on oil I dont know. Looking at places in SE Asia like Indonesia, Malaysia, Phillipines, Vietnam, they do have a lot of old style farmers who would do just fine, other than floods etc, which wipe out a few people but dont really disrupt their farming. They are very populated in these places though, and I think at least 50% of their cities would starve.

On the question of wars, it looks to be centreing on the middle east, where if it escalates from proxy puppet to full scale direct intervention by the big players I think could see so much black smoke from burning tankers, pipelines and refineries  and wells of oil that it blacks out the sun as described in the bible, at least in that  ME region. Perhaps that would have another impact on climate in the same way of a large volcano.

Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant: King World News Responds To Attack On Its Intern
Post by: Golden Oxen on February 11, 2013, 05:41:45 PM
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Title: Parable of the Fisherman: Anonymity in a Digital World
Post by: RE on February 13, 2013, 05:53:41 PM
Parable of the Fisherman: Anonymity in a Digital World  (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/02/13/parable-of-the-fisherman-anonymity-in-a-digital-world/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog!

Another Classic from the TBP archives.  It has a lot of relevance here right now with the discussions going on in the Community Doomsteading thread.

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Title: Diner Anniversary WEEK Celebration Announcement Email Invitation
Post by: RE on February 15, 2013, 12:22:31 AM
I sent off an announcement of the PAHHHTY Week to our cross posting bloggers, mods, assorted contributors in the forum and a couple of bloggers who turned down my invitation to cross post a while back (Orlov & Kunstler).  Attached to the email is the Feb 2012 Webzine Monsta produced.

Below is a copy of the text in the email.  Feel free to copy/paste and send to friends or paste onto various websites you frequent.

RE

The Doomstead Diner (http://doomsteaddiner.net/) celebrates its First Year Anniversary this week, bringing a variety of perspectives of the ongoing Collapse of Industrial Civilization to a rapidly growing readership. The Diner received over 2 Million Page Hits in the first year, and now averages well over 10,000 Page Hits/Day as we move into our 2nd Year of publications. Our most recent Week showed 13K Page Hits/Day average.

Speaking for the Community of Diners, I would like to express my thanks to many of the Independent Bloggers, who gave us permission to Cross Post your articles on the Doomstead Diner. This has been Win-Win for all involved, and has brought increasing Readership to the individual Blogs participating as well as helping the Diner provide solid new content every day on the Diner Blog. Please feel free to Forward this email to other Econ & Collapse Bloggers on your mailing list who might be interested in participation in Cross Posting on the Diner.

In addition to the Blog and our Debate Forum (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/) , the Diner is Innaugurating this year a Webzine in Acrobat pdf format with Monthly compilations of significant articles contributed by Native Diner Bloggers and our Cross Posting partners. The first Webzine from February 2012 is attached to this email, further Issues will be available for Download from the Diner Media Library (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?action=media).

In Celebration of our First Year succesfully delivering the important information people need to prepare for the oncoming transformation of society, we will hold a Round Table discussion in the Diner Forum open to Guests as well as Registered Diners. The Round Table will open on Sunday Feb 17 for posting. Bloggers are welcome to submit posts of ANY length on topics of your choice at the Round Table, and you are free to Plug your Blog with Hyperlinks as well. The Diner Forum also supports any Graphic or Video embeds you would like to use in your posts, and you can format as well with text wrapping, font choices etc. If you have questions on how to do this, send me an email and I will try to help you.

Thanks again to all who have contributed to the first year of the Doomstead Diner (http://doomsteaddiner.net/).

RE
Doomstead Diner Admin
Title: More Musings on Money
Post by: RE on February 19, 2013, 01:25:10 AM
More Musings on Money (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/02/19/more-musings-on-money/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog.

A long and pedantic exercise in analysis of how money worked historically. You gotta be a fan of this kind of stuff to wade through it.  It's NOT "soft" reading. It's Rogue Economist stuff, contrary to most Economic Theory, of the Keynes or Austrian variations.

Did not get much commentary on TBP, I expect it won't here either.  I need Toby back to hash this stuff out with.

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Title: Diner Webzine FULL EMBED!
Post by: RE on February 19, 2013, 04:28:57 AM
For those of you who read my Doomstead Diner: Year One (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/02/17/doomstead-diner-year-one/) right after I published it a couple of days ago, you might want to go back to check it out again.

Dumkopf marginal Web Geek that I am, best I could do was get an Icon up for one of the articles from the Webzine.  What I wanted really was to put an Embed of the Webzine straight into the article.  I couldn't figure it, so I sent a BRAZOS call to Peter, and he did it for me.  The entire Feb 2012 Webzine now appears embeded into the DD Year One article!

THIS is what makes the Diner the BEST platform on the net!  To be sure, I bust ass writing and managing this thing, but having Peter around to tweak and make the platform WORK makes it positively the BEST platform imaginable.  Fucking KICK ASS web shit!

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on February 19, 2013, 10:29:57 AM
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In the short term, to prevent a descent into Mad Max, we must substitute some sort of Money, because big as this population is now, there just is no way its going to operate on Potlatch. Demurrage money is worth a try, despite the problems I identified above, and its certainly a more likely possibility than coining up metals. If it can at least slow the spin down and extend the die off over a few generations, this would be a worthwhile goal in and of itself. The other outcome here is just too horrible to contemplate, although I certainly do as is my Doomer nature.

One thing is for certain. The world of Tomorrow is not going to look ANYTHING like the world we have today in its structure. There must be and there will be vast changes here, because what we have constructed in our current systems is thoroughly unsustainable, and reaching the end of its working lifespan. The End of Humanity? Hopefully not. TEOTWAWKI? Most certainly.

RE

That's where I'm like, Obama is the worst Prez in history, unless he issues a kind of Demurrage currency. LOL. Of course the money changers would just have him killed as a prelude to race war. It's impossible even to imagine ANY of the major players on either side supporting him on that, on issuing a new currency from the Treasury, so I take his continued support of the money changers to be 100%.

As for Economic forecasting, you're about the only economist I ever heard talking any sense, Rogue. Damn near every one of them, trapped underside the bell jar, perpetually transfixed on one side.

So lets consider the Diner Doomstead, godfather.  :icon_mrgreen:  Suppose we build a kind of oasis, ie hub of local economic activity, and wealth as it is understood accumulates? How to prevent some future Diner generation loaning that out usury?
Title: Re: Diner Webzine FULL EMBED!
Post by: Surly1 on February 19, 2013, 12:34:52 PM
For those of you who read my Doomstead Diner: Year One (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/02/17/doomstead-diner-year-one/) right after I published it a couple of days ago, you might want to go back to check it out again.

// THIS is what makes the Diner the BEST platform on the net!  To be sure, I bust ass writing and managing this thing, but having Peter around to tweak and make the platform WORK makes it positively the BEST platform imaginable.  Fucking KICK ASS web shit!

RE

I must say, that is pretty damned impressive. Looks great.
Plus another tip o' the hat to Monsta666, who tirelessly labors  to turn the various bleatings and scribblings into an attractive publication!

Title: Re: Diner Webzine FULL EMBED!
Post by: RE on February 20, 2013, 05:08:25 AM
I must say, that is pretty damned impressive. Looks great.
Plus another tip o' the hat to Monsta666, who tirelessly labors  to turn the various bleatings and scribblings into an attractive publication!

Far as Monsta is concerned, TIRELESS does not do him Justice.

I gave Monsta access to the Archives on Reverse Engineering  so he could wade through the history there.  This is a fucking NIGHTMARE.  In the course of a few days since, he has feretted out a few seminal articles from 2012 before the Diner openned for bizness, and now also from 2011 also.  He has conveted to .doc format, now I gotta convert again for WP and add graphics that Yahoo did not support.  I got a backlog now of around 20 articles to publsh on the Diner as a result.

The Plus side is I don't have to write anything new for quite some time.  The Downside is keeping up with Monsta is quite the challenge.  He reads real fast, this I got figured already.  Even I can't keyboard fast enough to keep up with his consumption of prose. LOL.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on February 20, 2013, 05:38:52 AM
True dat. The man is a  . . . monsta.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on February 20, 2013, 08:15:21 AM
True dat. The man is a  . . . monsta.

I second that. Nice work! :emthup:
Title: Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
Post by: RE on February 22, 2013, 02:25:47 AM
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/02/22/bury-my-heart-at-wounded-knee/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog!

This is another from the archives of Reverse Engineering.  It is of particular Significance this day as Lucid Dreams goes to visit the 150 Acres tended by the Old Guy in NC.  Very close in number to the 160 Acres offerred to each of the Lakota before the Massacre at Wounded Knee

Hopefully, we have better luck than the Lakota did.

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Title: Islands of Freedom I: The Long Campout
Post by: RE on February 27, 2013, 02:53:28 AM
Islands of Freedom I: The Long Campout (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/02/27/islands-of-freedom-i-the-long-campout/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog!

First of a 3 part series from Reverse Engineering.  IMHO, the themes explored in this series are important to consider for the Diners involved in the Foxstead Project, and anyone else pursuing Survival Paradigms.

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Title: Re: Islands of Freedom I: The Long Campout
Post by: WHD on February 27, 2013, 08:39:31 AM
Islands of Freedom I: The Long Campout (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/02/27/islands-of-freedom-i-the-long-campout/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog!

First of a 3 part series from Reverse Engineering.  IMHO, the themes explored in this series are important to consider for the Diners involved in the Foxstead Project, and anyone else pursuing Survival Paradigms.

RE

Well that was a lot to think about. I especially liked the part about diners becoming Collapse gurus, fanning out across the land, helping others set up satellite doomsteads. 
Title: Re: Islands of Freedom I: The Long Campout
Post by: RE on February 27, 2013, 10:52:47 PM

Well that was a lot to think about. I especially liked the part about diners becoming Collapse gurus, fanning out across the land, helping others set up satellite doomsteads.

It was rather serendipitous that Monsta dug up this Series, since it fleshes out my Rationale for making the Tribe as Mobile as possible, along with issues of the Fixed Location Doomstead, all of which apply to the Foxstead Project.

I'll be getting up Parts II & III over the course of the next week.

Monsta, when you get up this far all 3 should appear in the same issue of the Diner Webzine, Feb or Mar 2013, whichever has more room.  Probably Mar 2013, since Feb has already been chock full of good articles.

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Title: Islands of Freedom II: The Big Island of FREEDOM
Post by: RE on March 01, 2013, 01:26:52 AM
Islands of Freedom II: The Big Island of FREEDOM (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/03/01/islands-of-freedom-ii-the-big-island-of-freedom/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog.

Lessons to be learned from those who walked this path before us.

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Title: Re: Islands of Freedom II: The Big Island of FREEDOM
Post by: WHD on March 01, 2013, 01:36:56 PM
Islands of Freedom II: The Big Island of FREEDOM (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/03/01/islands-of-freedom-ii-the-big-island-of-freedom/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog.

Lessons to be learned from those who walked this path before us.

RE

Humans ruling over each other might be biologically per-determined, but I believe the "thinking ape" has transcended that at key times in key places. There is no evidence of extreme hierarchy at Catal Huyuc. Sitting Bull did not rule over the Dakotas like it was his fiefdom. Chief Joseph did not rule his people with an "iron" hand, using them as a wealth pump, to his elevation among them.

My point being, people can set up what culture they want, as the current paradigm collapses.  A people who accept domination as per-determined biologically or by God, are destined to be ruled.

     
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: funkyspec on March 01, 2013, 02:31:48 PM
In his "Thirty Theses," (http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/) Jason Godesk makes the case that it is storable food surplus (available to all agricultural societies and some non-agricultural societies like the Kwakiutl of the Pacific Northwest) that leads to hierarchical human societies. Hunter gatherer / forager societies are universally egalitarian and have minimal storable surplus.

RE - have you heard of the Polynesian Voyaging Society (http://hokulea.org/)? You would love them because they "reverse engineered" non-instrument navigational methods possibly used during the original Polynesian voyages of exploration and colonization. They have repeatedly demonstrated the viability of these methods with decades of successful voyages all over the Pacific. Now they have an educational focus and have trained a couple of generations of navigators and captains.

 
Title: Re: Islands of Freedom II: The Big Island of FREEDOM
Post by: RE on March 01, 2013, 04:19:28 PM
Humans ruling over each other might be biologically per-determined, but I believe the "thinking ape" has transcended that at key times in key places. There is no evidence of extreme hierarchy at Catal Huyuc. Sitting Bull did not rule over the Dakotas like it was his fiefdom. Chief Joseph did not rule his people with an "iron" hand, using them as a wealth pump, to his elevation among them.

My point being, people can set up what culture they want, as the current paradigm collapses.  A people who accept domination as per-determined biologically or by God, are destined to be ruled.

I agree you can find examples of pretty egalitarian societies, but they tend to disappear the bigger the society gets.  The key I think is to self-limit the size of the society, or have it limited for you by resource depletion.  To run a large & complex society takes a lot of energy, so what we have now is certainly destined to go the way of the Dinosaur.  The smaller societies which are spawned from this diaspora CAN be much more egalitarian, but only if the people actively work to make them so, and don't get too big for their britches.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on March 01, 2013, 04:29:51 PM

RE - have you heard of the Polynesian Voyaging Society (http://hokulea.org/)? You would love them because they "reverse engineered" non-instrument navigational methods possibly used during the original Polynesian voyages of exploration and colonization. They have repeatedly demonstrated the viability of these methods with decades of successful voyages all over the Pacific. Now they have an educational focus and have trained a couple of generations of navigators and captains.

Yah, I have a video of the Voyage of the Hokulea, which is the cat rigged sailing canoe image I always use in these articles.  It was built by traditional methods, and they reproduced the voyage from Rapa Nui (Easter Island) to Hawaii utilizing traditional navigation techniques.  It's a great video.

I like to think that the residents of Easter Island did not Die Off when they left those Watchers along the shore.  They didn't stay, so they left the Watchers to take care of the Island.

(http://www.travelet.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/easter-island-chile-scuptures.jpg)

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on March 01, 2013, 04:57:11 PM

RE - have you heard of the Polynesian Voyaging Society (http://hokulea.org/)? You would love them because they "reverse engineered" non-instrument navigational methods possibly used during the original Polynesian voyages of exploration and colonization. They have repeatedly demonstrated the viability of these methods with decades of successful voyages all over the Pacific. Now they have an educational focus and have trained a couple of generations of navigators and captains.

Yah, I have a video of the Voyage of the Hokulea, which is the cat rigged sailing canoe image I always use in these articles.  It was built by traditional methods, and they reproduced the voyage from Rapa Nui (Easter Island) to Hawaii utilizing traditional navigation techniques.  It's a great video.

I like to think that the residents of Easter Island did not Die Off when they left those Watchers along the shore.  They didn't stay, so they left the Watchers to take care of the Island.

(http://www.travelet.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/easter-island-chile-scuptures.jpg)

RE

What would be harder using traditional methods - sailing across half the Pacific, or building those monoliths? LOL Damn.  :emthup:
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: luciddreams on March 01, 2013, 08:04:11 PM
Seems like I read in Jared Diamond's "Collapse," that there is archeological proof of cannibalism on Easter Island. 

I can't imagine what it would feel like to set sail in a boat that you made.  To set sail knowing that you are probably going to die.  That state of mind when you first push off has got to be bliss.  I mean, you've already accepted that you are going to die at sea with your homeys.  Or did they KNOW that they were going to find land?  I can only process these things in a spiritual way. 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on March 01, 2013, 08:16:04 PM
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I can't imagine what it would feel like to set sail in a boat that you made.  To set sail knowing that you are probably going to die.

Sort of like the Diner paradigm. Facing the choice between maintaining the status quo, and following the dream? Alas, we are all going to die.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: luciddreams on March 01, 2013, 08:56:47 PM
we are making it happen.  It would be happening tomorrow morning, but things changed slightly.  For the better I might add.  Anatomy is a bitch...physiology ain't all that bad cause it's dealing with concepts that can be understood.  Anatomy is just brute memorization.  You just have to download that information into your noggin' via hours of meticulous study. 

It's a bitch to hold two separate futures in your hands at once.  One your a murse and the other you're dealing with the post-petroleum world.  I'm not good at bifurcations like that.  I've always had one direction that I was traveling.  That direction changed frequently, but it was ever only one direction at a time.  I think doing both has something to do with being a father.  I know a tight nit community would probably make my life a lot simpler.  But then community is more complex than no community.  Our world is schizophrenic.  In order to be sane you have to be schizophrenic.  I think our modern way of being is turning our minds to mush.  Quite literally in many cases due to Big Pharma's Frankenscary chemical equations that are applied to our physical brains in pill form. 

You can't exactly test Xoloft on rats for depression now can you.  Even if you thought you could, rat brains are different than human brains in some very fundamental ways.  Seen from that lens, the human species has been an experiment on itself featuring recklessness without abandon.  Homo Sapien, the wielder of idiot chaos. 

Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on March 02, 2013, 02:58:36 AM
What would be harder using traditional methods - sailing across half the Pacific, or building those monoliths? LOL Damn.  :emthup:

Tough call, but the Sailing Trick was a whole lot more dangerous, and not accomplished by anyone else to that degree until guys like Cook and Magellan did similar in the 15th & 16th Centuries, and they HAD magnetic compasses and sextants.  The Polynesian Migrations began out of Tonga a good millenia before that, then to NZ and the Society Islands, then Rapa Nui and finally making Hawaii around 1000AD.

Large physical structures even bigger than the Watchers such as Egyptian Pyramids date back long before that though, so on a Time Scale level the Nav Trick was the more difficult one.

On any level you can imagine though, that was one incredible bunch of Homo Sapiens.  Ultimate Freedom Seekers.  I idolize them in my mind's eye.  They were of course more fortunate than we are in the sense there was still some pristine earth left to SEEK at that time.

They did it all with Stone Age Technology.  No metal, no magnets, nada.  Rocks, Wood and Plant Fibers.  That is all it took.  Un-Fucking-Believable, but the Watchers still stand to prove they did it.  The Diners should be so lucky.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on March 02, 2013, 03:11:51 AM

I can't imagine what it would feel like to set sail in a boat that you made.  To set sail knowing that you are probably going to die.  That state of mind when you first push off has got to be bliss.  I mean, you've already accepted that you are going to die at sea with your homeys.  Or did they KNOW that they were going to find land?  I can only process these things in a spiritual way.

Interesting you bring up these questions.  That is the Focus of Part III of the Series.  I will publish that Sunday Morning for Diner Brunch Reading.  :icon_sunny:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on March 02, 2013, 04:53:37 AM
But then community is more complex than no community.  Our world is schizophrenic. . .  the human species has been an experiment on itself featuring recklessness without abandon.  Homo Sapien, the wielder of idiot chaos.

Absolutely brilliant. Just brilliant.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: funkyspec on March 02, 2013, 05:38:32 AM


Yah, I have a video of the Voyage of the Hokulea, which is the cat rigged sailing canoe image I always use in these articles.  It was built by traditional methods, and they reproduced the voyage from Rapa Nui (Easter Island) to Hawaii utilizing traditional navigation techniques.  It's a great video.

. . .

RE

I lived on Oahu for 15+ years after I got out of the navy and I appreciate your most excellent commentary on the exploits of the Polynesian voyagers, and effectively linking those exploits to what most humans face as industrialized civilization collapses. After I got out of the navy, I spent time as an underemployed surf bum. One of my non-paying gigs was working at the Bishop Museum planetarium in Honolulu where I would often do the star shows, in which we would present a segment on hypothetical Polynesian non-instrument navigation methods. We could show what the night sky would look like to the voyagers as they journeyed from Tahiti to Hawaii.

Later, I got a real job as a high school science teacher in the Hawaii public school system and was fortunate enough to become involved in PVS sailing educational programs. I got to sail on Hokulea and the much smaller Eala.

One minor point: Hokulea was actually constructed using modern methods and materials, and her purpose was to demonstrate and prove the non-instrument navigational methods recovered from master Micronesian sailor/navigator Mau Pialug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mau_Piailug), and further developed by Nainoa Thompson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nainoa_Thompson). Hoku's sister canoe, Hawaii Loa (and maybe some others, not sure) was constructed using traditional methods. Hawaii Loa has a connection to Alaska: her hulls were built from 2 Sitka Spruce logs donated by the Tlingit, Haida, and Tshimshiam tribes of Southeast Alaska (since there were no Koa trees large enough left in Hawaii). One of Hawaii Loa's first voyages was from Hawaii to Alaska to give thanks to the Alaskan tribes.
Title: Islands of Freedom III: Polynesian Survival Demographics
Post by: RE on March 03, 2013, 01:37:04 AM
Islands of Freedom III: Polynesian Survival Demographics (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/03/03/islands-of-freedom-iii-polynesian-survival-demographics/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog!

I expanded on this Final Article in the series to draw the CONNECTIONS between what went on for the Polynesians so long ago; and what the Diners face down NOW.

It's an RE TEAR JERKER. It makes ME CRY when I read it back.  Always a sign to me I went for the emotional gut.  For those of youo who find a good Cry cathartic, you should be pleased with this.  For the rest who are not so Romantic, it may not be so good.  We'll see how it plays. Pulled out ALL the emotional stops though, so IMHO if you don't tear up at least a BIT, you are a Souless drone who probably cannot be Saved anymore.

RE
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on March 03, 2013, 02:15:30 AM


I lived on Oahu for 15+ years after I got out of the navy and I appreciate your most excellent commentary on the exploits of the Polynesian voyagers, and effectively linking those exploits to what most humans face as industrialized civilization collapses

Thanks FS.  Great fortune you had to spend this time in Hawaii,though of course it is not what once it was either.
I hope Part  III worked for you also.

I do know that Hokuelea was built with a lot of Modern Tools  Methods, I was a bit dishonest there.  Going back to the vid, the Sails were a big problem as I recall.  The PRINCIPLES stand true though.

All this means for us is we gotta be ADAPTABLE, and SCAVENGE the Goodies from the Age of Oil.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: luciddreams on March 03, 2013, 04:54:11 AM
well I didn't cry RE, but I did get chills at one point, which is my equivalent.  Crying is something I do on a yearly basis, usually more like every other couple of years something might make me cry.  Although admittedly I have cried more lately, since I resigned from the Matrix. 

At any rate, I feel the same about the Foxstead as you, and I've gotten emotional about it several times already.  I've been guarded about it waiting on today, when we get the final go ahead or not.  Talking to Roamer last night I can't see anything that will stop it.  The only issue is the vegetarian issue...but then if that wasn't an issue it would be too good to be true, so maybe that is the stop gap measure that's built in place to keep this thing real...who knows.  It's not an issue that can't be worked around, and in any event if it becomes that big of an issue than Carol will likely be pretty damn hungry and likely to change her tone.  Or once William get's there and woes her for us.  Roamer doesn't really even want to bring it up, but I know that Carol will. 

All I can do is be as diplomatic and sensitive as possible.   Two things I hate doing, but two things I had to learn how to do to survive in EMS where a psychotic crack head can get you fired for looking too white (or black, or brown for that matter...just as in "you're not my race").  Suffice it to say that I'm not going to let my feelings about raising animals to eat, hunting, fishing, and just eating meat in general fuck this up for the rest of us.  Some of us may feel that this issue is worth not committing to the foxstead, and I can understand that because I've contemplated that myself.  But I know that this will not be an issue because I knew it in my gut when talking to Carol.  I just wasn't worried about it.  I'm still not. 

Today, we finished building the Catamaran that will take us to our new island of freedom.  A couple of us need to take it out on a test run to make sure it's sea worthy.  We'll be back tonight, and if it's sea worthy than we will set sail shortly. 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: WHD on March 03, 2013, 08:27:42 AM
Speaking of freedom, anyone else notice that Field of Dreams clip, "embedding disabled by request." But hey, if we go to Youtube we can watch it...

Copyright law. The new frontier of total control. Humorless, tyrant, money grubbin....

Anyway, yeah that was very prescient of you, RE. As for me, I feel EXACTLY like that old navigator, every inch of the earth seemingly commodified and increasingly out of reach. Been there, done that, doing what, again? There seems nothing left for me in the culture as it exists. Plenty of energy yet though, for an adventure like this. Something very like what I've been dreaming about since the aftermath of the tech boom, actually, but never having found anyone to do it with, never having access to land. Quite eager for the opportunity. Thank you.

Blessings. I hope it goes well today. Speak to the vision. Smile. Enjoy yourselves. :icon_sunny:
Title: STAMPEDE!!!
Post by: RE on March 05, 2013, 10:06:56 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G33iONkRF7g/TV2iKoZ32hI/AAAAAAAAEJc/iQJEpqVuC7Y/s1600/bison.jpg)

I just finished updating an article called "Homo Collaboratus" Monsta dug up from the archives of Reverse Engineering with recent material written by Elvis and the Slogger, and additional material off my keyboard.

It is a Call to Arms.  Time for the HERD to take down the PREDATORS.

Coming Soon to a Laptop Near You.

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Title: Homo Collaboratus
Post by: RE on March 05, 2013, 11:54:16 PM
Homo Collaboratus (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/03/05/homo-collaboratus/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog!

STAMPEDE!!!

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Title: Re: Homo Collaboratus
Post by: WHD on March 06, 2013, 09:52:10 AM
Homo Collaboratus (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/03/05/homo-collaboratus/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog!

STAMPEDE!!!

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They will, but probably not until they are starving, and like you said, when the economy is broken to the point that not even the one with his head deepest in the sand can't deny it anymore. Which then it will be too late for most of them.

I'm listening to a discussion on public radio about the stock market relative to the economy, and it is of course CLUELESS. They have no sense whatever, how many people are being systematically disenfranchised from the economy, in order to maintain the illusion of stability. Not a word about declining resources, not a word about the way the Stock Market is flying high because there is nowhere else to put money, for those who have it. Which if I had money at this point, I'd be investing it in COMMUNITY, because there isn't going to be anything like a "Retirement" for most people. The idea that you just hoard a bunch of money and that will insulate you in your little isolated bubble until you are dead of old age, is dying. As is the notion that gov is going to cradle you unto death.

Better to have friends who have some reason to help me stay alive.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: luciddreams on March 06, 2013, 10:11:45 AM
RE said in this article:

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Where once again, if all goes as it has gone here so many times and in so many ecosystems, the predators will emerge once again. For Homo Sapiens however, who remain adaptable and who DO have the ability to LEARN, perhaps in the next go round we can make the LEAP to a new species, Homo Collaboratus, the first Species EVER to jump beyond the Predator and Prey paradigm. it is my great HOPE that those who do survive this latest incarnation of Armageddon will be the progenitors of Homo Collaboratus. Certainly, the incarnation of Homo Industrialis has been a Magnificent FAILURE here, and one we will not repeat again.

Michael Ruppert has called "Homo Collaboratus" by a different name, "Post-Petroleum Human."  This idea is what I think Toby was talking about in his last piece with the changing "paradigm" bit.  He was specifically referring to taking care of ecosystems as well as human needs.  I think these three ideas, homo collaboratus, post-petroleum human, and care of ecosystems go a long way towards defining this new paradigm.  I think it's shaping up to be something like intellectual tribes brought together by the superconnectivity of the internet.  These tribes, of which the Diner may be the first of it's kind, have the advantage of selecting for mind power up front.  We have the advantage of knowing a great deal about our place in the tribe before it ever forms on the ground.  This is intelligent tribe formation...which is why it's going to work.  I also like another thing Mike Ruppert says when talking about life boats, and I'm paraphrasing here, as well as taking creative license:  when the zombies enter the camp to eat your brains, you don't have to be the fastest camper, you just have to not be the slowest.  We are many times better than the slowest...we are the fastest, and therefore I believe we are guaranteed to succeed (also, I think I'm finally done licking my wounds on the initial Foxstead Project failure...I'm back at the drawing board and stronger for the failure). 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: RE on March 06, 2013, 03:53:28 PM

Michael Ruppert has called "Homo Collaboratus" by a different name, "Post-Petroleum Human." 

"Homo Collaboratus" sounds more scientific.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Homo Collaboratus
Post by: Surly1 on March 06, 2013, 08:01:06 PM
Homo Collaboratus (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2013/03/05/homo-collaboratus/) by Diner Godfather RE now UP on the Diner Blog!

STAMPEDE!!!

RE

They will, but probably not until they are starving, and like you said, when the economy is broken to the point that not even the one with his head deepest in the sand can't deny it anymore. Which then it will be too late for most of them.

I'm listening to a discussion on public radio about the stock market relative to the economy, and it is of course CLUELESS. They have no sense whatever, how many people are being systematically disenfranchised from the economy, in order to maintain the illusion of stability. Not a word about declining resources, not a word about the way the Stock Market is flying high because there is nowhere else to put money, for those who have it. Which if I had money at this point, I'd be investing it in COMMUNITY, because there isn't going to be anything like a "Retirement" for most people. The idea that you just hoard a bunch of money and that will insulate you in your little isolated bubble until you are dead of old age, is dying. As is the notion that gov is going to cradle you unto death.

Better to have friends who have some reason to help me stay alive.

For my money, this is one of your best recent efforts, as it is full of chewy goodness running the gamut from technocratic austerity in Detroit to The New Tribalism.

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Predatory Capitalism doesn’t clean up the messes it leaves behind, it moves on to make new messes elsewhere, always promising the inhabitants a “better standard of living”, which a few Elites get while the rest of the herd is left hung out to dry.

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IMHO, OWS is the BEGINNING of a NEW TRIBAL Paradigm here in the FSofA, with those who are already off the cliff or close to it gathering together in HERDS for self-protection and SURVIVAL in the face of the Predators, exemplified by the Gestapo who Pepper Spray them and fire the Tear Gas Canisters at them.
MANY of the Herd will DIE here. But NOT as many by percentage as the Predators. The very ACT of Protest and Forming Up the Circle of the Herd is what will PROTECT the Herd in the end. They will lose many on the periphery. But they will also STAMPEDE the Predators.

and my favorite
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You can’t create new Resources by issuing more credit.  Without copious resources to waste, its pointless to issue more credit. The ONLY reason more Credit gets extended to Greece now is to keep the whole House of Cards floating another day.  Nobody in their right mind can possibly believe Greece can ever pay its debts.

Brought your A game for this one.

I know you have some disdain for the "boiling frog" version of collapse, and like better the sudden collapse, along the lines of the oft-cited deer on St. Michael's Island. I'm not sure we are not witnessing collapse right now. Borders and B&N closing storefronts, the local fast food joint shutters and fails to reopen, hundreds of chains like Best Buy go dark. TPTB are counting on the Keystone XL pipeline to insure the flow of oil and keep Happy Motoring going for a few more years. Of course, the children of the people living within the fracked watershed will break out in string warts, large hairy tits on their backs and a host of new and exotic cancers for their trouble, but at least we kept the hybrids running.

We don't have to wait for it-- it's here.

And if you'd like to call wild cards for this hand, don't forget the Fat Kid with the nukes in North Korea-- you know, Dennis Rodman's new BFF. While our so-called representatives take dictation from Bibi Netanyahu, this young stripling says he's going to ignore the armistice.

But maybe he just needs some love and attention.

Not nearly enough to worry about, is there?

Title: Re: Homo Collaboratus
Post by: RE on March 07, 2013, 12:19:06 AM

For my money, this is one of your best recent efforts, as it is full of chewy goodness running the gamut from technocratic austerity in Detroit to The New Tribalism.

Thanks Surly.

Not sure it really Qualifies as a "Recent Effort" though, since it is just an expansion on and adaptation of a post I wrote on Reverse Engineering in 2011.  I just tied it together with recent events and blogs written by Elvis and the Slogger.

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Brought your A game for this one.

Careful.  I might get a Swelled Head.  LOL.  :icon_mrgreen:

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I know you have some disdain for the "boiling frog" version of collapse, and like better the sudden collapse, along the lines of the oft-cited deer on St. Michael's Island. I'm not sure we are not witnessing collapse right now. Borders and B&N closing storefronts, the local fast food joint shutters and fails to reopen, hundreds of chains like Best Buy go dark. TPTB are counting on the Keystone XL pipeline to insure the flow of oil and keep Happy Motoring going for a few more years. Of course, the children of the people living within the fracked watershed will break out in string warts, large hairy tits on their backs and a host of new and exotic cancers for their trouble, but at least we kept the hybrids running.

We don't have to wait for it-- it's here.

Slow vs Fast Collapse is somewht misleading, because it depends on a personal sense of time.  On an ABSOLUTE level, it is proceeding at an ASTOUNDINGLY rapid pace.  Greece is in the Toilet in just 5 years here, while it took 60 years to build into a marginal industrial economy.  Italy, Spain and now France are going down FAST.  The Japanese?  They are the Walking Dead already.  Compare the world TODAY to the world of just 6 years ago in 2007.  Nobody had UE stats above 6% then.  Now, all of Europe is in Double Digits save the Krauts, and they won't be far behind once France swirls down the toilet.

This is a VERY Fast Collapse already, by any measure.  JMG is WRONG just from the current evidence.  I believe it will go faster still though when the Euro collapses, and it will.  Strap in tight here boys and girls, the next Downhill on this Coaster is gonna be some kinda thrill ride.

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Title: Ghandi was Pro-Violence
Post by: RE on March 09, 2013, 07:49:31 PM
Picked this up in commentar by KaD on TBP.   :icon_mrgreen:

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Gandhi did not invoke non violence because he was non-violent; but because the British forcibly disarmed India and he had no other option: http://www.naturalnews.com/038372_Gandhi_nonviolence_right_to_bear_arms.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/038372_Gandhi_nonviolence_right_to_bear_arms.html)

“I do believe that where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence I would advise violence,” Gandhi wrote in his famous work, Doctrine of the Sword.

Gandhi also advocated justified violence over the “cowardice” of submission. Again, this is in his own words:

…Hence also do I advocate training in arms for those who believe in the method of violence. I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor.

Gandhi also explains that someone who cannot use violence to defend themselves or their family is a helpless coward and a “worm.”

In his own words from the text Between Cowardice And Violence

…He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully …

[When violence] is offered in self-defense or for the defense of the defenseless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission.

Gotta Love it.  Pol Pot was really a SAINT, and Ghandi was really the Orkin Man.  :coffee:

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: bob on March 09, 2013, 09:20:35 PM
The Bhagavad Gita is an epic text thousands of years old telling the story of a war that divided civilization, with many lessons ending in the use of a weapon that destroyed everything. I have a book MK Ghandi Interprets the BG, so he went right into the ethics of it all. Totally relevant to today with what is happening with occupy or euro riots and the gestapo on the other side, as he believed in not following orders to kill or use excess force on civilians etc. What I really like is his method of everyone not paying tax en mass, hit em where it hurts.
Title: JMG's Take On Traitors
Post by: WHD on March 09, 2013, 09:37:10 PM
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This is a VERY Fast Collapse already, by any measure.  JMG is WRONG just from the current evidence.  I believe it will go faster still though when the Euro collapses, and it will.  Strap in tight here boys and girls, the next Downhill on this Coaster is gonna be some kinda thrill ride.

Did you see JMG's latest. He made it sound like anyone who questions the Prez, DHS, NSA etc might be funded by Foreign governments. I sort of feel betrayed. Has ANYONE else suggested as much? I don't think he's wrong, necessarily, but he paints with too wide a brush, IMHO. I get that there are elements in this country that are ready for war with the Feds, but again, he has harsher words for those who call out the gov than for the people of gov.  Unbecoming the great Arch-Druid. 


http://www.thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-hard-road-ahead.html (http://www.thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-hard-road-ahead.html)

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Right now, the US government is one of those fashionable scapegoats.  The pornography of political fear that plays so large a role in American public discourse these days feeds into this habit. Those people who spent the eight years of the second Bush administration eagerly reading and circulating those meretricious claims that Bush was about to impose martial law and military tyranny on the US, and their exact equivalents on the other end of the political spectrum who are making equally dishonest claims about Obama right now, are helping to feed the crisis of legitimacy I’ve discussed in several posts here. The habit that Carl Jung described as “projecting the shadow”—insisting, that is, that all your own least pleasant traits actually belong to whoever you hate most—has a great deal to do with the spread of that mood. I’ve wondered more than once if there might be more to it than that, though.

It’s hard to think of anything that would give more delight America’s rivals on the world stage, or play out more to their advantage, than a popular insurgency against the US government on American soil. Even if it was crushed, as it likely would be, such a rising would shred what’s left of the American economy, cripple the ability of the US to intervene outside its borders, and yield a world-class propaganda coup to any nation tired of the US government’s repeated posturing over issues of human rights. Funding antigovernment propaganda here in the United States without getting caught would be easy enough to do, and plenty of hostile governments might find it a gamble worth taking. I find myself suspecting at times that this might be what’s behind the remarkable way that American public life has become saturated with propaganda insisting that the current US system of government is evil incarnate, and that any replacement whatsoever would necessarily be an improvement.
Title: Re: JMG's Take On Traitors
Post by: RE on March 09, 2013, 10:33:08 PM

Did you see JMG's latest. He made it sound like anyone who questions the Prez, DHS, NSA etc might be funded by Foreign governments. I sort of feel betrayed.

It is this kind of nonsense that led me to STOP reading Mr. Wizard's Blog, so no I didn't see it until you quoted it here.

This is patently ridiculous. You aren't being funded by Foreign Goobermints.  LD isn't either.  LD likely wishes he COULD get funding from FGs, then he could afford his Dream Doomstead and not bother with Nursing School. LOL.

This is a case where Occam's Razor DOES apply.  Bloggers are Bashing Da Goobermint because it SUCKS BIG FAT ELEPHANT DICK!

(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/05/16/svICELAND_wideweb__470x383,0.jpg)

Comes from ALL sides, Jackass Tea Baggers like Brandon Smith and Effete Libtard Snobs like Jimmy Kuntsler, not to mention neo-Tribal Primitivist Egotistical Genius Gonzo Comedians like yours truly   :icon_mrgreen: and self-styled Macro Economistas like Elvis.  We are all on FG payrolls?  How fucking stupid is that?

Yeesh.

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Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Bob on March 10, 2013, 05:08:23 AM
JMG, OMG what a relief to learn that the 2 billion hollowpoints, fema camps full of coffins, and airsstrips everywhere crammed with thousands of white humvees and apc's and all the legislation to facilitate it eg domestic drone strike and endless unexplained detention is all just my own projection. Tool. Is he even really a druid, I doubt it.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: Surly1 on March 10, 2013, 05:31:06 AM
The Bhagavad Gita is an epic text thousands of years old telling the story of a war that divided civilization, with many lessons ending in the use of a weapon that destroyed everything. I have a book MK Ghandi Interprets the BG, so he went right into the ethics of it all. Totally relevant to today with what is happening with occupy or euro riots and the gestapo on the other side, as he believed in not following orders to kill or use excess force on civilians etc. What I really like is his method of everyone not paying tax en mass, hit em where it hurts.

Exactly. Refuse.

Just refuse.

Get enough people to refuse, and it is game over. Of course, it's the "getting enough people" that is the rub, hence the importance of corporate control of the arms of propaganda.
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: luciddreams on March 10, 2013, 06:57:44 AM
funny thing, about half way through JMG's last post I quit reading.  I've never done that before with the ADR.  I just lost interest.  So I don't think I read what ya'll are talking about.  I'm gonna go back and read the whole thing so that I can comment here. 

But not everybody is correct all of the time.  People make mistakes in their thinking.  JMG is typically very logical with history as his main guide where the shape of the future is concerned.  This would sort of be like making fun of the kid who maintains a 4.0 and fails one test. 
Title: Re: Frostbite Falls Daily Rant
Post by: luciddreams on March 10, 2013, 07:50:58 AM
alright, read it.  I don't know what the issue with this piece is.  Maybe I didn't comprehend it well enough.  It's entirely possible that OWS was seeded by foreign agents, but being possible doesn't mean it's the case.  Just means that it's possible. 

I think there are elements of the government with evil agendas.  9/11 is a good case in point.  A small group of ass holes orchestrated it and nobody was the wiser.  The entire government as a whole, imo, is mostly just incompetence.  I think most of the governmental erectile dysfunction can be explained with incompetence and simple greed.  However, I don't think that the majority of Washington actually wishes ill of the masses...granted some do.  Most are just silver spoon fucks, but not all.  The corporations, and their evil lackys who cycle from DC and back are mostly to blame for our civilizations clusterfuck.  I'm sure their are people in DC that are scum, that joined up with the best intentions, but were made impotent via the process of our incompetent government.  Which I think JMG has made this point.  His point has largely been that democratic processes in the government stopped working a long time ago. 

I don't see what ya'll are reacting to really.  Seems a stretch to me.  Where did he say that all of the FEMA camp preps and drones were an illusion?  All I read was him suggesting that current protests could have foreign spook manipulation.  Entirely possible, and even likely in some cases.  However, this does not equate to the truth.  Just speculation that could no doubt be backed up by history. 

Do I think that OWS was started by foreign spooks?  I don't give a shit.  I don't because I don't think protests of any kind are going to accomplish anything other than being hauled off to jail, sprayed in the face with pepper spray, tazed, beaten up side the head with a baton, shot with a tear gas canister, or some combination of all.  The goons are medicated, psycho, and all probably sadist who get off on spraying college kids in the face with pepper spray.  The politicians are impotent, in denial, or simply don't give a shit beyond their luxurious lifestyles.  Democracy has failed the U.S.  It's not going to fix itself at the national level.  Maybe locally...but I even doubt that outside of a few rare exceptions simply because the local level of government is simply trying to rise up to the federal level. 

I guess I disagree with the treatment given to JMG here.  I do consider myself a student of JMG, so I guess that makes me bias.  So be it.  He's just a man, just like I, and he's not correct all of the time. Nobody is...not even the Supreme Ego in Charge of the DD is always correct...RE :D
Title: Re: JMG's Take On Traitors
Post by: monsta666 on March 10, 2013, 08:13:53 AM
Did you see JMG's latest. He made it sound like anyone who questions the Prez, DHS, NSA etc might be funded by Foreign governments. I sort of feel betrayed. Has ANYONE else suggested as much? I don't think he's wrong, necessarily, but he paints with too wide a brush, IMHO. I get that there are elements in this country that are ready for war with the Feds, but again, he has harsher words for those who call out the gov than for the people of gov.  Unbecoming the great Arch-Druid.

Thank you for providing the link. While Greer does seem critical of protesters even as going as far as saying they may actually exacerbate the situation by feeding the beast so to speak I do not think he quite goes far enough in saying they are traitors. In this piece it is quite clear he is against protesting and his solution lies in disengaging from politics and this includes protesting (the political system is a lost cause) and instead focus more in practical actions such as building your own doomstead and getting enough people to join in. If enough people do that then local governments can be formed and things would slowly build from the ground up. Bottom-up rather than top-down approach is the name of the game here. I suppose in an ideal situation this would be the best course of action but there is several flaws to this proposition.

First it does not really consider that the prevailing culture in the US and the world in general is for increasing affluence. This meme of development and progress has been taught from cradle to grave for several generations now so the belief is heavily ingrained into not just the national psyche of the US but the world in general. The fact people in the Doomstead Diner are societal outcasts for speaking out against this culture should be proof alone of this effect. It is this physiology - groupthink if you will - that means this scenario of people going going back to the land is a very unlikely one. People want more not less and not only that but our attitude to physical labour has changed dramatically in the last 200 years especially the last 50. Physical labour is looked down upon across the globe and less status is attached to it. These issues of physciology and status cannot be dismissed away or ignored when evaluating how things will pan out.

Know I can understand Greer wants to offer helpful advice and see what should be done but ultimately, at least to me, advice can only be truly helpful if it somehow applicable to how life works or how people are realistically going to act. I suppose if one were critical the same arguments could be levelled against the Foxstead. The difference between the Foxstead and the Greer scenario is the Foxers are aware this paradigm is not going to support everyone and makes no such claim that this is a solution that can save everyone from the collapse of civilisation. Also unlike the Greer scenario people in the Foxstead are aware (at least aware enough to put these thoughts on paper) that land right issues of ownership is unlikely to hold true and so have tried to incorporate a living arrangement that does not primary stem from wealth and ownership (no signs of this point being mentioned with Greer but correct me if I am wrong). By Greer not addressing these issues he is ignoring a major factor that will play out in this downfall. Okay I will cut Greer some slack as the solution he offered at the end of his post is just a brief summary of what he thinks should happen so it is not out of the question he mentioned the points I raised elsewhere in his blog. I will say though I have not read anything in his blog that addresses those issues I mentioned and like other bloggers in the net it seems to me Greer pay less attention to the security type issues of keeping your land.

The thing is, us and people like Greer must acknowledge that people aren't going to give up on this living arrangement easily and will do everything in their power to maintain this industrial style of living. Once it becomes apparent it is not sustainable and things begin to fall apart at the seams people will start dying. People will not die quietly in the night and will take up arms to take away from others to ensure their survival. It is an unfortunate truth and while I am not a man of violence (I am against gun ownership in most circumstances) and prefer this wasn't the cas