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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2015, 03:18:52 PM »
So yeah, Ashvin, prison conversion for humanity beats the hell out of dying wallowing in pleasure while pursuing a dynasty of material wealth for your family, as is the case among 99% of the well-to-do now.  Three cheers for scaring the SELFISHNESS out of humanity (even if it's temporary  :icon_mrgreen:).

I have no problem prison conversions. It seems to me that faith is strongest when it's tested. Tim Keller has a saying - 'faith is tested by how we react to two opposite things, prosperity and adversity'. Or as Augustine said much earlier, "Lord, whether prosperity smile or adversity frown, let your praise be ever in my mouth". The strongest conversions then would be people who turn to God when they are doing really well or when they are doing really poorly.

The problem is when we move from the individual scale to large groups of people who are convinced that world-ending changes are imminent. The parallel would be when large amounts of people are convinced that their surroundings will steadily become better over time. I think both evoke a sort of societal immobilization, crippling people from embracing any genuine transformation or self-sacrifice. Of course there are exceptions, but generally it seems the NTE crowd and Cornucopians are playing two sides of the same materialist coin.

P.S. To address your earlier question, I think the world would be a better place if more people did what I do. More accurately, I think it would be better if more people DIDN'T do what I don't do. Or even more accurately, if they thought the way I (and many others here) do. But it would still be far from perfect.
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2015, 04:13:35 PM »
I would buy a good Gruman canoe, a Nordic Tipitent and an Alaskan tent stove and head for the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness in the Superior National Forest in the arrowhead of northern Minnesota.  There a lakes there that are hardly fished due to their remoteness. 

Why there rather than Alaska, it is closer and push come to shove, I can get there by canoe from where I live now.  Yes, it would be a long trip, but the Little River is not far away, and it leads to the New River, then the Ohio, then north up the Mississippi.  The last portage will be a long one but it is doable.....

The reality is, I will be staying here.  No point in trying to sell the place, after a year and 30 showings, I don't have much hope left that any one will buy it.  Time to get the farm back up and running to keep food on the table.

As to a three year extinction event and NBL as a whole, I left that blog when it turned suicidal.  They have no hope, even for an atheist, and certainly not for a person of faith, Christian or otherwise. 

RE, I too have asked the question as to why this time is different when there have been other mass extinctions in Earth's history, so, I'm planning on needing to keep going for a long time, if not for myself, then for my son.

Ashvin, on the subject of piety, Christians are called to be Christlike and to walk in love towards those around us.  Even Mking, as much as it pains me to say so!!!  ;)

Piety does not impress, a way was made through the cross that does not require man to do anything other than believe.   :icon_sunny:

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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2015, 04:17:29 PM »

After the bots collect enough data, the posts get reviewed by psychologists, who then classify you by DSM type,

Like what diagnoses? Paranoia mostly, megalomania occasionally, which they can only write "query" or "possible" they can not make a full diagnosis without an interview. Ask Ashvin if behavioral observation alone would stand up to cross examination by a good defense lawyer. Good luck connecting that with being a threat to anyone.

I think they would likely leave it up to someone without qualification to decide if u r dangerous and only after u have been arrested could they interview you to get the history required to make any diagnosis for the purpose of a court case. Since its legal now for u to just disappear indefinitely, I cant see why they would bother.

FYI most shrinks are protective of their patients against the police, and think that they can decide for themselves when they need to be notified, everyone is informed of the limit to confidentiality that if they mention harming themself or someone else it will need to be reported. Many are practicing a form of civil disobedience by not taking any notes on the things that big bro is demanding to know. Have you noticed that in all the dead bankers and charlie hedbo or argentine investigators who supposedly suicided not once have they mentioned from the police statements that their shrink if they were seeing one confirmed they were a suicide risk??? WHY, when it is a matter of course for them to request that report and use it to close the case on the investigation.

Yes big bro wants to pathologise being prepared or religious or both together especially but the statistics do not support it being a threat to society AT ALL, compared to the risk of re-offence allowed for bail or parole its not even in the same galaxy. Can you imagine the security services expert witness stating in spite of that fact, the guy on trial could be a problem in future, and the defense lawyer asking if that means he was not paranoid but predicted the future correctly. Judge would burst out laughing and u got egg on face.
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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2015, 04:18:27 PM »





P.S. To address your earlier question, I think the world would be a better place if more people did what I do. More accurately, I think it would be better if more people DIDN'T do what I don't do. Or even more accurately, if they thought the way I (and many others here) do. But it would still be far from perfect.
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Is this the kind of crap that is now being taught in Sunday school.
You selfish - self centered, I'm the center of the Universe moron.
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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2015, 04:19:01 PM »
The reality is, I will be staying here.  No point in trying to sell the place, after a year and 30 showings, I don't have much hope left that any one will buy it.  Time to get the farm back up and running to keep food on the table.

You need to advertize it to Chinese Investors.

Get it up and running again, but keep showing. There's a new sucker born every day.

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Re: WOULD YOU DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT?
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2015, 04:23:43 PM »
The reality is, I will be staying here.  No point in trying to sell the place, after a year and 30 showings, I don't have much hope left that any one will buy it.  Time to get the farm back up and running to keep food on the table.

You need to advertize it to Chinese Investors.

Get it up and running again, but keep showing. There's a new sucker born every day.

RE

Don't give up....

You are right there RE..... :icon_sunny:
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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2015, 04:29:27 PM »
Like what diagnoses? Paranoia mostly, megalomania occasionally, which they can only write "query" or "possible" they can not make a full diagnosis without an interview. Ask Ashvin if behavioral observation alone would stand up to cross examination by a good defense lawyer. Good luck connecting that with being a threat to anyone.

They don't need the evidence to stand up in court UB.  These are the same folks that run GITMO.  They don't even need the evidence to be real, they can manufacture it.  All they gotta do is deem you a threat to "National Security" and they can send you to the Gulag and Waterboard you indefintely with no trial at all.

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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2015, 04:37:17 PM »


P.S. To address your earlier question, I think the world would be a better place if more people did what I do. More accurately, I think it would be better if more people DIDN'T do what I don't do. Or even more accurately, if they thought the way I (and many others here) do. But it would still be far from perfect.
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Re: WOULD YOU DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT?
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2015, 04:49:01 PM »
Ashvin, on the subject of piety, Christians are called to be Christlike and to walk in love towards those around us.  Even Mking, as much as it pains me to say so!!!  ;)

Piety does not impress, a way was made through the cross that does not require man to do anything other than believe.   :icon_sunny:

True, "pious" wasn't the right word. Prayerful and prepared is better.

That's why I tried to stress the way people THINK rather than the things they do in my last comment. Jesus was very critical of people doing "good" things for the wrong reasons. At the same time, a good tree should produce good fruit and all that. I don't like to think about as "works vs. faith/belief", but rather faith complemented by works.
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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2015, 04:52:14 PM »
Ashvin, on the subject of piety, Christians are called to be Christlike and to walk in love towards those around us.  Even Mking, as much as it pains me to say so!!!  ;)

Piety does not impress, a way was made through the cross that does not require man to do anything other than believe.   :icon_sunny:

True, "pious" wasn't the right word. Prayerful and prepared is better.

That's why I tried to stress the way people THINK rather than the things they do in my last comment. Jesus was very critical of people doing "good" things for the wrong reasons. At the same time, a good true should produce good fruit and all that. I don't like to think about as "works vs. faith/belief", but rather faith complemented by works.

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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2015, 04:56:14 PM »
I would buy a good Gruman canoe, a Nordic Tipitent and an Alaskan tent stove and head for the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness in the Superior National Forest in the arrowhead of northern Minnesota.  There a lakes there that are hardly fished due to their remoteness. 

Why there rather than Alaska, it is closer and push come to shove, I can get there by canoe from where I live now.  Yes, it would be a long trip, but the Little River is not far away, and it leads to the New River, then the Ohio, then north up the Mississippi.  The last portage will be a long one but it is doable.....

The reality is, I will be staying here.  No point in trying to sell the place, after a year and 30 showings, I don't have much hope left that any one will buy it.  Time to get the farm back up and running to keep food on the table.


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Re: WOULD YOU DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT?
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2015, 06:21:03 PM »
So yeah, Ashvin, prison conversion for humanity beats the hell out of dying wallowing in pleasure while pursuing a dynasty of material wealth for your family, as is the case among 99% of the well-to-do now.  Three cheers for scaring the SELFISHNESS out of humanity (even if it's temporary  :icon_mrgreen:).

I have no problem prison conversions. It seems to me that faith is strongest when it's tested. Tim Keller has a saying - 'faith is tested by how we react to two opposite things, prosperity and adversity'. Or as Augustine said much earlier, "Lord, whether prosperity smile or adversity frown, let your praise be ever in my mouth". The strongest conversions then would be people who turn to God when they are doing really well or when they are doing really poorly.

The problem is when we move from the individual scale to large groups of people who are convinced that world-ending changes are imminent. The parallel would be when large amounts of people are convinced that their surroundings will steadily become better over time. I think both evoke a sort of societal immobilization, crippling people from embracing any genuine transformation or self-sacrifice. Of course there are exceptions, but generally it seems the NTE crowd and Cornucopians are playing two sides of the same materialist coin.

P.S. To address your earlier question, I think the world would be a better place if more people did what I do. More accurately, I think it would be better if more people DIDN'T do what I don't do. Or even more accurately, if they thought the way I (and many others here) do. But it would still be far from perfect.

Ashvin,
Well said. A plethora of wise sayings and proverbs over the ages supports the view that fair weather folks mostly don't hold to their principles when the weather turns sour, so to speak. Actions are the only real measure of a person's character.

But I was mostly referring to the types who totally eschew morality as a guiding principle. Good times always reinforces their world view and bad times is the only thing that will possibly undermine it. During a bad period, they hunt for a chump to take the rap, so to speak, so they don't have to face the music.

If it is established that EVERYBODY has to face that "music", then the morality challenged folks will have no legacy, no offspring to leave a dynasty to, be faced with the reality of, not just dying, but no memory of their existence and sense of privileged existence that they pride themselves in having "earned".

These types have no faith to test. When they have ZERO evidence of GAIN from their "physical cause and effect is IT" world view, the possibility of them thinking outside their materialistic "box" exists. That possibility does not exist any other way.

Those wealthy people that have seen through the emptiness of the materialistic world view,  like Augustine, are such an extreme minority (99.999th percentile or less) that they simply cannot be considered representative of normal human psychology. J.C. wasn't kidding when he mentioned that eye of the needle and the camel.

My deceased brother-in-law was one of those. He was QUITE wealthy. We were discussing spirituality and what God expects us to do in this life back in 1992. He was a clever fellow. He had my number so he was always sure to speak about how we must obey God to do the "right thing" all the time.  ;) I told him that obeying God was not easy and serving God means being willing to give EVERYTHING up, including the respect of one's family, if need be. He said "Nobody is going to take what I have from me." 

You see, being such a clever fellow, he thought I was conning him the way he conned everybody he talked to. He figured I was going to hit him up for some cash, I suppose. So, he sent the SIGNAL that he didn't swallow any wooden nickels.  ;) So it goes with these successful business types.  :emthdown:

He died of cancer at around 53 years of age (2013). When the stage IV diagnosis was final, he said, "After all my sacrifices, why me?".

This fine fellow refused to make a will and left a massive bag of worms that his children are fighting over. My wife tried to talk to him about it and he said he could not because it caused him "too much stress". Please bear in mind that this guy was POWER OF POSITIVE THINKING on steroids! He was a bicycle racing fanatic and he sold and raced jet skis and motorcycles (at an earlier age). He had his kids so indoctrinated on mind over matter that his daughter claims to this day that her father died because he "gave up."!

The guy was a health food nut all his life and had never gone to or needed a doctor until the colon cancer. He had symptoms for YEARS and he flat refused to acknowledge them while he kept eating seaweed capsules and all kinds of other stuff the health food nuts eat. He would weigh himself every day. He would excoriate people for failing (not making enough money  ;D) by claiming (see Oprah  :icon_mrgreen:) they "attracted" failure with their "attitude". Touchy feely was not his thing.  8)

My, what an AMAZINGLY CONVENIENT way to give the finger to friends in need through bullshit happy talk psychology. :evil4:

But don't think he was the violent type. He wasn't. He was an excellent debater and rarely raised his voice. I have seldom. if ever, met a person more sure of himself. He had a buck passing answer for everything that might cost him some money while not missing a verbal beat in letting everyone know what a great guy he was and so on. Such a clever fellow...

He really believed in mind over matter. More specifically, HIS MIND over everybody's matter.  :evil4: When he finally realized it was not working, he did not want to talk about it. Claiming he was ready to "Go to God", he was hiding the location and amount of his considerable pecuniary assets for the exclusive benefit of two of his three children. I know this because his daughter slipped up in a conversation with her aunt (my wife) recently by stating that she was not aware during high school that she was a millionaire.  :icon_mrgreen:

My cancer doomed brother-in-law refused to even make an affidavit attesting that the motorcycle shop building was jointly owned by his brother. Consequently, his brother got shafted, two of his children are living high on the hog (his daughter moved to Beverly Hills and paid a YEAR's rent in advance for an apartment there.) and his oldest son, the one he did not get along with, received ZIP.

This is EVIDENCE that this brother-in-law, faced with death, could still not shake his GREED. He did the old 'pass the privilege to those who he decided deserved it' THING the rich, greedball, acquisitive types commonly do because of their arrogance.  :emthdown:

Well, SOMEBODY DID take everything he had away from him. Call it cancer or call it God. Either way, he deluded himself into believing he had an OUT. That OUT was favoring those he wanted to prosper materially.

This is why I insist that the only way these fine folks with gobs of money GET IT that their money does not mean SHIT, is when they are TOTALLY out of options. The eye of that needled is very, very narrow and rich camels are very, very fat. Without divine intervention, only a looming catastrophe can get these morality challenged rich folks to see the big picture.   

Ashvin, this famous Theologian and philosopher defines Hell. It is a very brief definition. He can talk for hours (lots of U-tube lectures) on the Myth of Secular Progress so I am certain that he has more to say about Hell. But it is appropriate to present it here because, according to his definition, materialist are already there, so to speak. In fact, anyone who claims total freedom from ethical behavior IS THERE, according to him. A looming catastrophe might get them to leave the earthly door to Hell, so to speak.  :icon_mrgreen: What say ye?
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