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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2015, 05:25:19 PM »
RE, if it looks like surgery is in the cards, I'll throw in my two cents...I recently had eye surgery and have had six surgeries over the years.  Three eye procedures and three for the knees. It might be you have had plenty of surgeries done and do not need my advice...if so you can just ignore the rest of this comment.

One of these procedures was in-patient.  It was to insert intacs in my left eye for a keratoconus issue I have.  This was a nice experience.  I took a prescribed valium before the surgery and was in and out of the office in very little time.  While it was happening, I had a conversation with the Eye Doc.

For the other five outpatient surgeries, it seemed like I was shuffled from one waiting room to another and it got old. All of these surgeries went well, but there was a sizeable time gap between when I checked into the hospital and when the event actually happened. So I recommend you mentally prep for this.

Another thing I'll say is that during my last surgery where I had a cataract procedure done with a TORIC astigmatism correcting intraocular lens inserted in my right eye, it seems to me the hospital got chincy with the anesthesia or there was an issue with the feed.  It was leaking and I mentioned this a couple of times, but no action. I was quite alert while the surgeon operated on my right eye and it was actually pretty cool. I even asked him what he was doing at a certain point halfway through the procedure and he calmly told me exactly what he was doing. I remember the entire time I was in the OR for this one.

Best wishes for a "good" outcome.

I have only had one experience in the hospital, that was for the PAD Rotor Rooter job.

I chose to stay awake to watch and ask questions and only took a local anaesthetic.  I stayed on the table 5 straight hours to get both legs done in one shot.  It was supposed to be out-patient but one of the sutures popped and I passed out after trying to stand up and walk around, so they kept me overnight.  My overnight stay was fairly pleasant in a semi-private room.

This type of catheterization proceedure isn't done by a "surgeon", it's done by what they call an Invasive Radiologist.  They only have to pop a small hole in your inner thigh to insert the catheters.  Not very scary overall.

The operation on the neck is a completely different ballgame.  They have to basically peel open my neck to get at the bones, clear the channel if they can with microsurgical tools, fuse the bones, sew it all back up and then I have no idea how long recovery in the hospital but after that still wearing a neck collar for probably a few months, hard to move around, and I don't have a wife or kids to help me through it either.

Its not very appealing and no guarantee it will help either.

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I think the best thought process now is one that that focuses on knowing what to expect and do post-op.
 

 
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2015, 05:51:48 PM »

I think the best thought process now is one that that focuses on knowing what to expect and do post-op.

Let's say the recovery period that requires care is five days. You fly Hunter up all expenses paid. Problem solved. Not to mention the fantastic "Doom Discussions" experience you'll have together.
 
 
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2015, 07:08:33 PM »
I would concentrate more on NOT having all that hi-tech stuff.  Hire a local person in for what assistance you need getting dressed and going shopping, etc.  Get a speech-to-text software package to by-pass typing.  Make sure you have someone who will terminate your pain when you say so. Your money is of no use to you once your dead.

Jeez, what a bunch of crumblies we Doomers are (you don't suppose that is relevant, do you???).  After my broken neck (C2) and two strokes, I can tell you I don't want to go into hospital EVER AGAIN.  Let those doctors do painful tests on someone else.  At worst I will wake up one morning and find myself paralysed and just waiting 2 weeks to die of hunger. Hopefully the dog and the cat won't start eating me until I'm dead - I don't trust that cat when he gets that wild look in his eyes.

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2015, 07:14:14 PM »
I did see the doctor about my issue and when I described it to her, she came to the conclusion it was tendonitis.  I do physical work for a living and I am 47 years old, so age-related wear and tear could be an issue.  I am reluctant to suspect any sort of arthritis because this came on and developed pretty rapidly.  I do sleep on my side but I don't use my arm as a pillow.  I used to do that, but in August 2012, that became too uncomfortable (which may well be because of osteoarthritis, which I'm pretty sure I am experiencing in my knees, hips, and ankles, especially during the winter months).  So now I simply sleep with my arm pinned against my side.  Making this comfortable requires putting a small couch pillow underneath my bed pillow to raise my head up just a little bit more.  It would really suck if this were the cause of the problem because I really need to sleep on my right side to be comfortable (I'm making do with sleeping on my back for now, and it's weird).  For whatever reason, I am totally unable to be comfortable sleeping on my left side.

@Palloy:  If you were paralyzed and nobody were aware of your situation, you would probably die of dehydration, which may not last as long as food-starvation, but it's still a lingering death and it's worse than food-starvation.

@Surly1:  Here's a copy-and-paste of the error message I've been getting:

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You don't have permission to access /blog/wp-comments-post.php on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Update:  Okay, I know what happened when I tried to post.  The word "vicodin" caused the post to get caught by some kind of spam-catcher.  I changed the wording and it posted just fine.  The same thing happened a while back in a forum where I joked that must be "psychic" for predicting something rather unsurprising.   :laugh:

Further update (this one about my shoulder tendonitis):  Well, I did some online reading, and it looks like I'm going to have to learn to sleep on my back most nights from now on.  Fucking bummer.   :(
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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2015, 04:54:55 AM »

Update:  Okay, I know what happened when I tried to post.  The word "vicodin" caused the post to get caught by some kind of spam-catcher.  I changed the wording and it posted just fine.  The same thing happened a while back in a forum where I joked that must be "psychic" for predicting something rather unsurprising.   :laugh:

Further update (this one about my shoulder tendonitis):  Well, I did some online reading, and it looks like I'm going to have to learn to sleep on my back most nights from now on.  Fucking bummer.

Mystery solved. Thanks for the update, MR.

Sorry about the tendonitis. Nothing fun about chronic pain and the other ills the flesh is heir to.
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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2015, 02:10:51 PM »
RE, I must start off by saying you sure are much more willing to be "patient" with the Sickcare System than I am!

I had a similar experience a couple of years ago.  I suffered a small fall but caught myself, the next day my left arm hurt a little.  Within a couple of days I had 9-out-of-10 pain and partial paralysis of my left arm (fortunately I am right handed).  I didn't initially associate the pain with the trivial fall.  So I went to the urgent care clinic owned by my primary care physician, they did a neck x-ray and gave me muscle relaxants.  I have the misfortune to live in Miami, a Pain Pill Mill epicenter, so they were so afraid of being investigated that they refused to give me a scrip for any effective pain meds.  In other words, close to useless.

Next, even though I have had poor experiences with them, I tried a local Quackapractor.  He at least looked at the x-ray and spent the time to show me that my disks have gotten flattened with age (I'm 65) and my neck has lost its proper curve (yes, poor posture and too much time on the computer), resulting in nerves pinched between vertebra.  So he did several sessions of electrostimulation, massage, and neck cracking, but to little result.

So I hit the computer and did some research.   Consequently, I dug out the inversion boots that I had made for myself from scrap about 40 years ago to treat myself after a fall from a ladder.  Relief!!!  So, I invert my dumb ass every morning now, religiously.  I occasionally have a little pain or weakness if I sleep wrong or do something physically that a 65-yo probably shouldn't, but I am 100% most days.

Perhaps inversion is just a stopgap, and I should let a doctor die-grind the nerve channel while such high-tech things are still possible.  But for now I seem to be doing fine, and don't like dealing with the sickcare system at all.  Perhaps some day I will no longer be strong and agile enough to hook my ankles over a bar, but they make inversion tables for folks who are not fit enough to utilize inversion boots.

I wish you had been more pansceptical; you could have saved yourself a lot of expensive torture, and hope that what I have written is helpful to you.

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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2015, 03:14:57 PM »
Pansceptic,
Inversion is as real and effective a pain relief force and therapy as the force of gravity when we are not inverted. Your body is alive and works to heal itself. Inversion helps. HOW? By NOT triggering biochemical reactions caused by nerve endings in contact with some tissue they do not accept as normal. This then triggers inflammation, which then triggers more pain because more nerve endings are activated. Inflammation then causes circulatory system problems that can cause ischemic conditions and isolated cell death (MORE PAIN).

Back in 1980 I had a neck problem after doing some somersaults on the floor. I resisted going to a doctor but the neck pain got progressively worse. There was just no position I could put my head in that would make me feel relief. It was eventually relieved by muscle relaxants and some NSAID non-opiate low grade pain relief medicine.

But, until I saw the doctor (I waited a couple of days) I gave myself therapy by putting my head in the lower part of a hammock and hanging by my head for a couple of hours (in a sitting position - my rear end was just a few inches of the floor). RELIEF!. Of course the neck pain from the cervical area sprain would come right back within minutes. If I had possessed the inversion equipment, perhaps I would not have needed the muscle relaxants or pain medication either.

Unlike floating in water (a zero gravity state), inversion is a type of traction therapy. There are many types of traction therapy not involving inversion with weights and pulleys. I don't know that much about them but I know they exist. A Trauma specialist or a Googlew search would probably tell you a lot more than you want to know bout traction therapy.  :icon_mrgreen:

Inversion is GREAT! It also strengthens your vascular system.  :emthup:  :icon_sunny:
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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2015, 03:59:01 PM »
RE said,
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To conclude, I DO consider myself the Luckiest Doomer on the Face of the Earth.  I had a great run through the Age of Oil, living by my own set of rules and making only the compromises necessary to make to get along.  I had enough time and woke up to the nonsense going down early enough that I was able to write down just about everything I could think of to examine the history and how we got here, and how we might work out of this very ugly situation.  Also, much like Lou Gherig, I am glad to have been associated with the people who have helped me in creating and building the Diner.  A great bunch of Doomers.  Love you guys.


RE

 :emthup: :emthup: :emthup: :icon_sunny:

I will now put my "Doctor" hat on.
No, no this one!   :icon_mrgreen:

I seriously recommend that you get a tub that you can float in, type from and surf the web from for at least a couple of hours (staggered at several hour intervals) a day. I seriously recommend that you use a salty mix in the water with roughly the same salinity as ocean water. You can use Epsom salts for that purpose. They are quite therapeutic.

This will aid your circulatory system. Better circulation means better oxygenation and a healthier immune system that will resist getting confused and attacking and deteriorating your own nerve processes. And eat, not smoke, lots of hemp products daily. That is a huge deal for your overall health.

May God bless and guide you in your health care decisions, my friend. 


Palloy,
If you cannot move or get up for an extended period, I would be a bit more concerned about the dog than the cat. Dogs have bigger stomachs (and appetites). But in either case, by the time they get desperate enough to nibble on you, you will be pretty much out of it already. When I was working at Burlington Airport (1997) for a brief period, a Japanese UVM student went home to Japan for a visit. She had two dogs in an apartment in Burlington and did not tell anyone about them. She left enough food and water fro two weeks.

She was gone over six weeks due to some delay in Japan. She called nobody in Vermont about her dogs. I learned of the cruel fate of her dogs because her car was towed away by the city, who had discovered the dogs, that had turned on each other before they died, from the reported smell of decaying flesh. One dog ate most of the other and died later on. The lack of water probably killed it before hunger did. Lack of water will kill a human long before lack of food does.

The girl complained to me that her car was not in the parking lot. I told her about her dogs, asked why she did not call someone to take care of them, and gave the obviously wealthy girl the telephone to call in order to get her fancy car. She was UNMOVED. I saw that in her eyes. I was incredulous. She said nothing and walked away with the telephone number in hand. Not exactly an encouraging testament to the "ethics" taught at our universities, is it? Her negligence was criminal. Her concern was about her car, not her dogs. This is EVIL human behavior.  :emthdown:  :(




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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2015, 04:12:00 PM »


Perhaps inversion is just a stopgap, and I should let a doctor die-grind the nerve channel while such high-tech things are still possible.

Its 2015, they have robot guided lasers. 2015 also means full throttle defunding of healthcare so yeah.   
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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2015, 04:22:01 PM »
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The girl complained to me that her car was not in the parking lot. I told her about her dogs, asked why she did not call someone to take care of them, and gave the obviously wealthy girl the telephone to call in order to get her fancy car. She was UNMOVED. I saw that in her eyes. I was incredulous. She said nothing and walked away with the telephone number in hand. Not exactly an encouraging testament to the "ethics" taught at our universities, is it? Her negligence was criminal. Her concern was about her car, not her dogs. This is EVIL human behavior.  :emthdown:  :(

What you are describing is an utter, complete lack of empathy.  One wonders why such a person would have dogs in the first place,  because, as you know most dog fanciers will obsess about making sure their dogs are well cared for in the first place. The people I know who own dogs kennel them when traveling.

Interesting that you describe her as "obviously wealthy."  Her lack of empathy seems to track with the sociopathy that we observe in the ruling class,  where everything and everybody is a commodity, or an outcome to be measured.  Empathy is not something you learn at a university; is something that comes from family, upbringing, or experience, or it does not.

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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2015, 04:25:39 PM »
Pansceptic,
Inversion is as real and effective a pain relief force and therapy as the force of gravity when we are not inverted. Your body is alive and works to heal itself. Inversion helps. HOW? By NOT triggering biochemical reactions caused by nerve endings in contact with some tissue they do not accept as normal. This then triggers inflammation, which then triggers more pain because more nerve endings are activated. Inflammation then causes circulatory system problems that can cause ischemic conditions and isolated cell death (MORE PAIN).

Back in 1980 I had a neck problem after doing some somersaults on the floor. I resisted going to a doctor but the neck pain got progressively worse. There was just no position I could put my head in that would make me feel relief. It was eventually relieved by muscle relaxants and some NSAID non-opiate low grade pain relief medicine.

But, until I saw the doctor (I waited a couple of days) I gave myself therapy by putting my head in the lower part of a hammock and hanging by my head for a couple of hours (in a sitting position - my rear end was just a few inches of the floor). RELIEF!. Of course the neck pain from the cervical area sprain would come right back within minutes. If I had possessed the inversion equipment, perhaps I would not have needed the muscle relaxants or pain medication either.

Unlike floating in water (a zero gravity state), inversion is a type of traction therapy. There are many types of traction therapy not involving inversion with weights and pulleys. I don't know that much about them but I know they exist. A Trauma specialist or a Googlew search would probably tell you a lot more than you want to know bout traction therapy.  :icon_mrgreen:

Inversion is GREAT! It also strengthens your vascular system.  :emthup:  :icon_sunny:

AG, you are a font of arcane and interesting information.

I had no idea.
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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2015, 04:30:12 PM »
With all these problems, it pays to do a "bed audit". You lie on your side on the bed + pillows, and someone else views from the side the line of your spine, which should be straight (a photograph helps).  Most people's beds are far too soft, the pillows are the wrong height and don't support the neck area - result: back pain, stiff neck, restlessness and worse.

Everyone is different, every bed is different, every pillow is different.  You can get specially-shaped pillows which might work for you, or you can modify your pillow by putting a rolled-up towel inside the pillowcase  - especially good for neck support. You can fine tune the overall pillow height with folded towels underneath.  Also a pillow between the knees can do wonders for straightening up the pelvic area aka lumbar spine.

You cannot make any of this work properly if you are thrashing around in your sleep, so a "sleep audit" might help too.  Only sleep in bed, and when in bed, only sleep.  Don't go straight from staring at a TV or computer screen, or writing your memoirs, to trying to sleep - allow 10 minutes of switching off time.  Don't stay in bed longer than you need.  Lots more to this.

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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2015, 04:32:54 PM »
Just a reminder to those who are not in the know (I'm certain that RE is in the know):

There is an easy and cheap way to get pain relief if you are up to some home chemistry with easily obtainable, totally legal, ingredients.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Diethyl ether largely supplanted the use of chloroform as a general anesthetic due to ethers more favorable therapeutic index, that is, a greater difference between an effective dose and a potentially toxic dose.[16] Because of its associations with Boston, the use of ether became known as the "Yankee Dodge."

Diethyl ether depresses the myocardium and increases tracheobronchial secretions.[17]

Diethyl ether could also be mixed with other anesthetic agents such as chloroform to make C.E. mixture, or chloroform and alcohol to make A.C.E. mixture.

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Or you can just go out an BUY some. Here's a video about the top ten legal ways to get high.


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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2015, 04:46:21 PM »
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You cannot make any of this work properly if you are thrashing around in your sleep, so a "sleep audit" might help too.

A daily sleep audit is now a big deal among the fitness crowd. The wear this device that monitors their pulse (and some other parameters) while they sleep and downloads them into the their computer AND the internet. The outfit making the device now has over 80,000 fitness fiends, when I last checked, parading their sleep stats. The logic is that better sleep makes a better athlete and a healthier person all around. I agree.

I don't remember the name of device. More than one corporation is making these gizmos and there are different types. Of course a video of the person sleeping over a few weeks of nights plus the monitoring data would provide an even better sleep audit picture of the sleep situation. I bring the device up because RE may not have someone available to eyeball him while he is sacked out.
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Re: I Consider Myself...the Luckiest Doomer...on the Face of the Earth
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2015, 05:01:43 PM »
Surly,
Glad to be of service.  :icon_mrgreen: Us old foggies have seen way too much in this here sad world.

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