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Eddie:
Mass migrations appear to me to be the most obvious sign of collapse so far. I heard on the radio this week that walkers and train riders into Texas are down so far this year due to an aggressive US "information campaign" in places like Guatemala, and by increased deportations of refugees by Mexico, which I assume is being heavily coerced to cut them off at the pass.

I was not aware that Iran is fast approaching a critical water shortage, but according to one source, as many as 70% of the population will eventually have to migrate to some other country to find water. No wonder they want nuclear power.

Hat tip to xraymike for posting the link on his blog.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/04/iran-water-crisis-mass-migration.html#



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http://www.youtube.com/v/fFnOfpIJL0M
The storiez (and photos) of refugees attempting to escape their local collapse scenarios are on an exponential increase.  The Human Tragedy is beyond belief already, and this is just getting started here.

This could be you or me, but we were gifted to be born into the center of the Heart of Darkness, in a time and place where opportunity abounded once upon a time.

Soon enough, some of us Diners will be Refugees also.  Not me though.  I'll buy my ticket to the Great Beyond before that occurs.  I got lucky and rolled a 7 on this one.

I will be creating a Refugee Photo Page on the Blog to chronicle the trials and travails of the massive refugee issue that is developing.

The kickoff story for this from the Heart of the MSM, The New York Times.

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Migrants Flooding Into Malaysia and Indonesia Trade One Nightmare for Another By CHRIS BUCKLEY and AUSTIN RAMZYMAY 25, 2015 Decomposed Remains Found in Malaysia Forensic experts collected bags of human remains on Monday that were found at the site of mass graves in northern Malaysia. By Reuters on Publish Date May 25, 2015. Advertisement Continue reading the main story Continue reading the main story Share This Page Email Share Tweet Save more Continue reading the main story GELUGOR, Malaysia — The more than 3,000 migrants from Bangladesh and Myanmar who recently landed in Indonesia and Malaysia ended weeks of a nightmare at sea only to fall into an administrative limbo that could last years, even decades. In a potential breakthrough in a crisis across Southeast Asia, Malaysia and Indonesia agreed last week to shelter the migrants, and thousands more who may still be at sea, on the condition that they be returned home or resettled in third countries within a year. If the past is any guide, that goal may be hard to attain. Even for those who qualify as refugees deserving asylum, few countries seem willing to accept them; there is already a tremendous backlog of applicants seeking resettlement; and the agencies that deal with them are overwhelmed. Continue reading the main story Related Coverage
* graphic Understanding Southeast Asia’s Migrant CrisisMAY 14, 2015
* Malaysian Police Suspect That Mass Graves Are Those of MigrantsMAY 25, 2015
* Myanmar’s Navy Seizes 2 Boats Carrying Over 200 MigrantsMAY 22, 2015
* Indonesia and Malaysia Agree to Care for Stranded MigrantsMAY 20, 2015
* Rohingya Refugees From Myanmar Have Been Persecuted for DecadesMAY 12, 2015 “Even if we get the U.N. refugee status, we still don’t know how long we must wait before we can be resettled,” said Hasinah Ezahar, 28, who survived illness, hunger and threats from the smugglers she paid for the three-week sea journey with three of her children from western Myanmar. “Until then, our lives are just waiting.” Photo   Rohingya migrants at a temporary shelter in Bayeun, Indonesia, on Monday, part of a wave of migrants in the last two weeks. Credit Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times Her family was part of a wave of migrants from Bangladesh and Myanmar who took to the seas seeking to escape poverty and, in the case of ethnic Rohingya like Ms. Hasinah, religious persecution. As well, at least 200,000 Rohingya migrants from Myanmar are already in Bangladesh, and only 32,600 of them have been granted formal protection as refugees fleeing persecution, according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Far fewer, perhaps only several hundred, have been resettled from refugee camps in Bangladesh over the past decade and allowed to begin new lives in other countries. In Malaysia, those determined to be refugees and therefore eligible for resettlement, a process than could take years, would be joining more than 45,000 Rohingya who are already classified as refugees and are waiting to be taken in by another country. They receive no government aid while they wait, nor can they legally take jobs to support themselves. About 1,000 Rohingya refugees were resettled in the United States in the last year. “It’s a bit of a dirty little secret, but that population going to the U.S. is largely people in Malaysia who have been awaiting resettlement for 10 to 15 years,” said Amy Smith, an executive director of Fortify Rights, a human rights group focusing on Southeast Asia. Continue reading the main story How Myanmar and Its Neighbors Are Responding to the Rohingya Crisis Myanmar and its neighbors see the people of the Rohingya ethnic group and the seaborne trafficking of migrants in the region very differently, complicating the refugees’ plight.   While the refugees wait, they cannot send their children to government-accredited schools and are suspended in a social and legal limbo that local charities and off-the-books jobs can only partly relieve. “It’s very frustrating for us,” said Anwar Ahmad, a Rohingya who has lived in Malaysia for 18 years and makes a living in the informal labor market. “We’re grateful that we can stay here, and grateful for the help we receive, but without a stronger official status, I have no future here in Malaysia.” Even the first step in that process, winning recognition as refugees through the United Nations refugee agency, has become forbiddingly slow, said Rohingya migrants, human rights advocates and lawyers. Advertisement Continue reading the main story “I think the U.N.H.C.R. is also a bit overwhelmed with the numbers, especially so many who have been here for many, many years have not been resettled yet,” said Kamarulzaman Askandar, a professor at the University of Malaysia Sabah, who has studied the conditions of Rohingya in Malaysia. “The numbers keep increasing and increasing. Many of the newcomers, especially, are not being registered even after a few months of coming over here.” Ms. Smith, of Fortify Rights, said the refugee agency gave priority to those held in detention. About 1,000 recent arrivals are housed in the Belantik immigration detention depot in Kedah State in northern Malaysia. (The depot declined requests for a reporter from The New York Times to enter.) Photo   An improvised hospital in Indonesia. More than 3,000 migrants from Bangladesh and Myanmar have landed in Indonesia and Malaysia in the last two weeks. Credit Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times Those detainees, she said, might have their cases decided in seven to nine months. The others will wait even longer. The classification process will not necessarily end well for most of the migrants. Migration experts say about half of the latest wave are economic migrants from Bangladesh who do not meet the requirements for refugee status. They will be sent home as soon as possible, the Malaysian and Indonesian governments say, where their government may not welcome them with open arms. Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina of Bangladesh on Sunday called the migrants “mentally sick” people who harmed the country’s image, and said they would be punished along with their traffickers, the official Bangladesh Sangbad Sangstha news agency reported. The Rohingya, a stateless Muslim people who have long faced discrimination and been deprived of basic rights in Myanmar, are likely to meet the criteria for refugee status under international law, namely having “a well-founded fear” of persecution for reasons of race, religion or nationality in their home country. They would be entitled to be resettled in third countries, and the United States said last week that it would take a leading role in any multicountry resettlement effort led by the United Nations refugee agency. Photo   Rohingya men praying at their temporary shelter in Indonesia. Malaysia and Indonesia said they would shelter the migrants until they are returned home or resettled in third countries. Credit Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times Such an effort, however, has yet to materialize. According to the agreement hammered out last week by the foreign ministers of Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia, none of those countries agreed to host any refugees permanently. Australia’s prime minister, Tony Abbott, said Thursday that his country would not take any refugees from the current exodus. Gambia said last week that it would take in all the Rohingya boat people, but experts questioned whether the West African state, whose own citizens have joined the deadly migration across the Mediterranean to Europe, had the capacity. Europe has its own migration crisis, as more than 1,700 migrants from Africa and the Middle East have died trying to enter Europe by sea in the first four months of this year, and more than 26,000 have landed. Photo   A Rohingya woman and her child in an alley in the suburbs of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. While migrants wait for their refugee status to be determined in Malaysia, they are not allowed to work or send their children to conventional schools. Credit Mohd Rasfan/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images “It’s going to be really hard,” said Phil Robertson, deputy Asia director of Human Rights Watch. “You have to have a number of governments say we will take quite a few Rohingya, but we haven’t seen that in the past.” Advertisement Continue reading the main story Advertisement Continue reading the main story Advertisement Continue reading the main story Decades in limbo is not an uncommon fate for refugees. Somali refugees have endured in a camp in Kenya for more than 20 years, while generations of Palestinians have lived in camps in the Middle East since the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Many of the refugees here are likely to join Malaysia’s swelling underclass of Rohingya refugees. The United Nations refugee agency says 45,910 Rohingya were registered in Malaysia before the latest influx. Richard Towle, the agency’s representative in Malaysia, estimates that there are an additional 30,000 or more Rohingya who are not registered, either because their applications have not been processed or because they had not tried to register. The Rohingya refugees here say that Malaysia has treated them better than neighboring countries, but that their lives are circumscribed by the ban on work and schools, and by the difficulty in obtaining other permits for everyday needs. Photo   Rohingya refugees from Myanmar at the refugee camp in Langsa, Indonesia. Even for those who qualify as refugees deserving asylum, few countries seem willing to accept them. Credit Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times “The most difficult thing is because the government law says we cannot work,” said Sahid Mohammed, a Rohingya man who fled his village in 2009 and made the trip to Malaysia by sea. He and other refugees said they made an uncertain living by working informally on building sites, in restaurants and shops, and by recycling scrap and hawking small goods. “We would like to work to make a contribution, and to send money to our families, but we cannot keep good jobs because the bosses look at our cards and say, ‘You’re not allowed to work for me,’ ” he said. “Some bosses use that to exploit Rohingya, because they know we are working without real status.” Mr. Towle said: “Given global priorities and the size of the problem here you are not going to be able to resettle your way out of a refugee problem of this size. It’s not feasible. We think that if people are going to be here anyway we think it is good to regularize their status and give them the right to work.” Rohingya children in Malaysia attend privately run schools, often supported by volunteers, or they do not go to school at all. “Some of the children work as well,” said Dewi Karina Kamarulzaman, a graduate student who teaches at the Peace Learning Center, a makeshift school in a two-story home here on Penang Island with more than 50 Rohingya children. She estimated that more than half of Rohingya children in Penang did not attend school, often for lack of transportation. “They can’t even afford the bus fare,” she said. Ms. Hasinah, who is living with her husband and the three children in a single room in a shared house, has a more pressing concern: a 13-year-old son she left behind because she could not afford to pay the smugglers to take all four children. Her family’s most urgent priority is finding the means and the money to bring him to Malaysia. “Wherever we go,” she said, cradling her 2-year-old daughter, “it must be with my son.”

Palloy:
The Rohingyas in Myanmar are Muslims being persuted by Buddhists, with Buddhist monks leading the mob, but with the clear backing of the Government and the angelic Aung San Suu Kyi.  I thought Buddhists were supposed to be nice people.

Aung San Suu Kyi is the Oxford-educated daughter of Myanmar's (then Burma) Prime Minister, who negotiated Burma's independence and was then assassinated along with five other Ministers in 1947.  She has been a UK/US pawn ever since, hence the Congressional Medal of Honour and the Nobel Peace Prize and numerous UN interventions - anything to break Myanmar away from China and into western clutches.

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--- Quote from: Palloy on May 25, 2015, 08:02:38 PM --- I thought Buddhists were supposed to be nice people.

--- End quote ---

Buddhists suffer the same problem Christians do, which is that they are PEOPLE.

When their own survival is threatened, they'll take action to try to prevent it.  They tend to be more unique in the way they do this in some cases.



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Europe getting inundated with Refugees from MENA.

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Arab spring prompts biggest migrant wave since second world war

Migrants fleeing the Middle East and north Africa are already risking everything as they try to escape war at home


A man waits as the cargo ship Ezadeen, carrying hundreds of migrants, arrives at the southern Italian port of Corigliano. Photograph: Antonino D'Urso/AP
Patrick Kingsley in Cairo

Saturday 3 January 2015 15.42 EST
Last modified on Saturday 3 January 2015 19.08 EST

The two “ghost ships” discovered sailing towards the Italian coast last week with hundreds of migrants – but no crew – on board are just the latest symptom of what experts consider to be the world’s largest wave of mass-migration since the end of the second world war.

Wars in Syria, Libya and Iraq, severe repression in Eritrea, and spiralling instability across much of the Arab world have all contributed to the displacement of around 16.7 million refugees worldwide.

A further 33.3 million people are “internally displaced” within their own war-torn countries, forcing many of those originally from the Middle East to cross the lesser evil of the Mediterranean in increasingly dangerous ways, all in the distant hope of a better life in Europe.

“These numbers are unprecedented,” said Leonard Doyle, spokesman for the International Organisation for Migration. “In terms of refugees and migrants, nothing has been seen like this since world war two, and even then [the flow of migration] was in the opposite direction.”

European politicians believe they can discourage migrants from crossing the Mediterranean simply by reducing rescue operations. But refugees say that the scale of unrest in the Middle East, including in the countries in which they initially sought sanctuary, leaves them with no option but to take their chances at sea.

More than 45,000 migrants risked their lives crossing the Mediterranean to reach Italy and Malta in 2013, and 700 died doing so. The number of dead rose more than four times in 2014 to 3,224.

“We know people who died – they used to live with us,” said Qassim, a Syrian refugee in Egypt who now wants to reach Europe. “But we will try again to cross the sea because there’s no life for us Syrians here.”

In Egypt, up to 300,000 refugees from the Syrian war were initially welcomed with open arms. But after Cairo’s sudden regime change in summer 2013, the atmosphere turned drastically, leading to rampant xenophobia against Syrians and increased arrests and detentions of those who, for understandable reasons, did not carry the correct residency paperwork.

The situation is even worse in Jordan and in Lebanon, which now houses more than 1 million Syrian refugees – more than a fifth of the country’s total population.

Their presence has created an unprecedented strain on national resources, leading to the Lebanese government tightening restrictions last week on Syrians entering the country. And while Turkey has simultaneously moved to strengthen refugees’ rights, Turkish shores are likely to remain a popular launch pad for migrants looking to reach Europe because of both the comparatively high cost of living, as well as rising xenophobia, particularly in the country’s south.

Libya, another major point on the migration route from the Middle East and north Africa, is also no longer a safe haven after a civil war erupted there last year. The plight of refugees there, as well as across the region, makes a mockery of those who suggest the wave of migration is caused simply by economic migrants.

“If they’re economic migrants,” asked Doyle, “then how do we explain that after every outbreak of violence and repression we get a new wave of people from the area that’s just had that outbreak? Why was it that, in the huge September disaster in the Mediterranean, the people who drowned were Palestinians, just a couple of weeks after the war between Gaza and Israel? And why is it that since last year there has been a steady flow of people from Eritrea, when we know there are serious problems in that country?”

But such arguments have yet to convince the British government, which refused last October to help Mediterranean rescue operations, and which by last June had admitted fewer than 150 Syrian refugees.

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