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Since policing is a problem, the police should be removed from communities altogether, according to Black Lives Matter founder Alicia Garza.

Garza argued that the United States gives too much respect to police officers, explaining that when police do wrong, a few bad cops are blamed, rather than a “corroded and corrupt system.”

“Quite frankly, many of our [Black Lives Matter] members are continuing to investigate what it would mean to have police-free communities. I think what we’ve continued to see over time is that no moral appeal is actually stopping the deaths of black people, whether they be armed or unarmed.” Garza told Complex.

Garza also claimed that the Charlotte riots are a natural reaction; they occurred because people had been denied housing and good schools.

“How do we stop violence, looting, and riots? The way that we stop that is by making sure that people have the things that they need to thrive,” Garza said. “When people are systematically denied their right to adequate housing, adequate schools, to adequate food, to dignity—this is a response and a reaction that we should absolutely expect.”

Charlotte erupted into riots after a black officer shot Keith Lamont Scott, a black man. Protesters damaged and looted various businesses. (RELATED: Here’s How Charlotte Rioters Expressed Their ‘Frustrations’)

People also should pay attention to the black women killed by police, Garza said.

“This is a perfect moment for us to have each other’s backs, to call out the names of people who have been killed like the brother who was killed in Charlotte and the brother who was killed in Tulsa, but to also remember that this isn’t just a problem impacting black men, but it’s a problem that is impacting black people. For us to advance on this front, we have to bring everyone along with us,” Garza said to Complex.







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Re: BLM Founder: Policing Is Problematic, So We Need Police-Free Communities !
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 11:47:59 AM »
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Since policing is a problem, the police should be removed from communities altogether, according to Black Lives Matter founder Alicia Garza.

Garza argued that the United States gives too much respect to police officers, explaining that when police do wrong, a few bad cops are blamed, rather than a “corroded and corrupt system.”

“Quite frankly, many of our [Black Lives Matter] members are continuing to investigate what it would mean to have police-free communities. I think what we’ve continued to see over time is that no moral appeal is actually stopping the deaths of black people, whether they be armed or unarmed.” Garza told Complex.

Garza also claimed that the Charlotte riots are a natural reaction; they occurred because people had been denied housing and good schools.

“How do we stop violence, looting, and riots? The way that we stop that is by making sure that people have the things that they need to thrive,” Garza said. “When people are systematically denied their right to adequate housing, adequate schools, to adequate food, to dignity—this is a response and a reaction that we should absolutely expect.”

Charlotte erupted into riots after a black officer shot Keith Lamont Scott, a black man. Protesters damaged and looted various businesses. (RELATED: Here’s How Charlotte Rioters Expressed Their ‘Frustrations’)

People also should pay attention to the black women killed by police, Garza said.

“This is a perfect moment for us to have each other’s backs, to call out the names of people who have been killed like the brother who was killed in Charlotte and the brother who was killed in Tulsa, but to also remember that this isn’t just a problem impacting black men, but it’s a problem that is impacting black people. For us to advance on this front, we have to bring everyone along with us,” Garza said to Complex.

It's a problem affecting the mental faculties of Alicia Garza.

Yeah, I'm sure it would solve everything, just eliminate cops in the hood. Why didn't we think of that? So simple and elegant.
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Re: BLM Founder: Policing Is Problematic, So We Need Police-Free Communities !
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2016, 12:41:28 PM »
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/26/blm-founder-policing-is-problematic-so-we-need-police-free-communities/


Since policing is a problem, the police should be removed from communities altogether, according to Black Lives Matter founder Alicia Garza.

Garza argued that the United States gives too much respect to police officers, explaining that when police do wrong, a few bad cops are blamed, rather than a “corroded and corrupt system.”

“Quite frankly, many of our [Black Lives Matter] members are continuing to investigate what it would mean to have police-free communities. I think what we’ve continued to see over time is that no moral appeal is actually stopping the deaths of black people, whether they be armed or unarmed.” Garza told Complex.

Garza also claimed that the Charlotte riots are a natural reaction; they occurred because people had been denied housing and good schools.

“How do we stop violence, looting, and riots? The way that we stop that is by making sure that people have the things that they need to thrive,” Garza said. “When people are systematically denied their right to adequate housing, adequate schools, to adequate food, to dignity—this is a response and a reaction that we should absolutely expect.”

Charlotte erupted into riots after a black officer shot Keith Lamont Scott, a black man. Protesters damaged and looted various businesses. (RELATED: Here’s How Charlotte Rioters Expressed Their ‘Frustrations’)

People also should pay attention to the black women killed by police, Garza said.

“This is a perfect moment for us to have each other’s backs, to call out the names of people who have been killed like the brother who was killed in Charlotte and the brother who was killed in Tulsa, but to also remember that this isn’t just a problem impacting black men, but it’s a problem that is impacting black people. For us to advance on this front, we have to bring everyone along with us,” Garza said to Complex.

It's a problem affecting the mental faculties of Alicia Garza.

Yeah, I'm sure it would solve everything, just eliminate cops in the hood. Why didn't we think of that? So simple and elegant.

She is evil or she is stupid or she is both.  Will she be leaving her doors unlocked in her police free state?  Who has maintained law and order all her life so she can even express her position?  But beyond what could be paragraphs of hard criticism of her position I'll cut straight to the obvious.

Too much respect for police officers?  This is not possible unless a specific charge of abuse can be definitively shown to be true in regards to a specific group of police officers.  In such a case the specific group is not deserving of respect true enough but to say that all police officers deserve no respect is mentally ill or racist.  In this case it is both.

Bad behavior obeys no color bounds and Alicia Garza's attitudes have already gotten people killed.

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Re: BLM Founder: Policing Is Problematic, So We Need Police-Free Communities !
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2016, 03:01:11 PM »
The display of cherry picking to excuses for bigotry and racism while continually finding ever more threadbare and ridiculous excuses for blaming the victim is palpable here. What next, more "the blacks are just jealous of white success" BULLSHIT?

It is ironic, as well as Orwellian and pathetic, that people, who customarily do not hesitate to snipe at and criticize every article that plainly states that our police problem is SYSTEMIC in that it preserves institutional racism and brutality, make the claim that the "solution" is for everybody to "get along".

This the reality that bigots, who, unlike Alicia Garza, really do have warped  mental faculties, are unable to wrap their white supremacist heads around:

AS Chris Hedges said, it AIN'T GONNA GET BETTER. And that's the way the power structure wants it.  :emthdown: :emthdown: :emthdown:  :evil4:


Police Killings Won’t Stop  

Posted on Sep 25, 2016

By Chris Hedges

PAGE 1 of 2

 
The corporate state, no matter how many protests take place in American cities over the murder of unarmed citizens, will put no restraints on the police or the organs of security and surveillance. It will not protect the victims of state violence. It will continue to grant broader powers and greater resources to militarized police departments and internal security forces such as Homeland Security. Force, along with the systems of indoctrination and propaganda, is the last prop that keeps the corporate elites in power. These elites will do nothing to diminish the mechanisms necessary for their control. 

The corporate state, by pillaging the nation, has destroyed capitalism’s traditional forms of social control. The population is integrated into a capitalist democracy by decent wages and employment opportunities, labor unions, mass-produced consumer products, a modest say in governance, mechanisms for marginal reform, pensions, affordable health care, a judiciary that is not utterly subservient to the elites and corporate power, the possibility for social, political and economic advancement, good public education, arts funding and a public broadcasting system that gives a platform to those who are not in service to the elites. These elements make possible the common good, or at least the perception of the common good.

Global capitalism, however, is not concerned with the cohesion of the nation-state. The relentless quest for profit trumps internal stability. Everything and everyone is pillaged and harvested for profit. Democracy is a mirage, a useful fiction to keep the population passive and compliant. Propaganda, including entertainment and spectacle, and coercion through state-administered surveillance and violence are the primary tools of governance. This is why, despite years of egregious police violence, there is no effective reform.

Propaganda is not solely about instilling an opinion. It is also about appropriating the aspirations of the citizenry into the vocabulary of the power elite. The Clintons and Barack Obama built their careers mastering this duplicity. They speak in words that reflect the concerns of the citizenry, while pushing through programs and legislation that mock those concerns. This has been especially true in the long campaign to curb excessive police force. The liberal elites preach “tolerance” and “professionalism” and promote “diversity.” But they do not challenge the structural racism and economic exploitation that are the causes of our crisis. They treat the abuses of corporate oppression as if they were minor administrative defects rather than essential components of corporate power.

Naomi Murakawa in her book “The First Civil Right: How Liberals Built Prison America” documents how the series of “reforms” enacted to professionalize police departments resulted in placing more money and resources into the hands of the police, giving them greater power to act with impunity and expanding legally sanctioned violence. All penal reform, from President Harry Truman’s 1947 Committee on Civil Rights report to the Safe Streets Act of 1968 to the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 to contemporary calls for more professionalization, have, she notes, only made things worse.

The fiction used to justify expanded police powers, a fiction perpetrated by Democratic politicians such as Bill Clinton and Obama, is that a modernized police will make possible a just and post-racial America. White supremacy, racism and corporate exploitation, however, are built into the economic model of neoliberalism and our system of “inverted totalitarianism.” A discussion about police violence has to include a discussion of corporate power. Police violence is one of the primary pillars that allow the corporate elites to retain power. That violence will end only when the rule of these elites ends. 

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The calls for more training and professionalization, the hiring of minority police officers, the use of body and dash cameras, improving procedures for due process, creating citizen review boards, even the reading of Miranda rights, have done nothing to halt the indiscriminate use of lethal violence and abuse of constitutional rights by the police and courts. Reforms have served only to bureaucratize, professionalize and legalize state abuse and murder. Innocent men and women may no longer be lynched on a tree, but they are lynched on death row and in the streets of New York, Baltimore, Ferguson, Charlotte and dozens of other cities. They are lynched for the reasons poor black people have always been lynched—to create a reign of terror that serves as an effective form of social control.


The wreckage left behind by deindustrialization created a dilemma for the corporate state. The vast pools of “surplus” or “redundant” labor in our former manufacturing centers meant the old forms of social control had disappeared. The corporate state needed harsher mechanisms to subjugate a population it condemned as human refuse. Those on probation and parole or in jails or prisons grew from 780,000 in 1965 to 7 million in 2010. The kinds of federal crimes punishable by death leaped from one in 1974 to 66 in 1994, thanks to the Clinton administration. The lengths of prison sentences tripled and quadrupled. Laws were passed to turn inner-city communities into miniature police states. This had nothing to do with crime.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/police_killings_wont_stop_20160925


   

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Re: BLM Founder: Policing Is Problematic, So We Need Police-Free Communities !
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2016, 03:33:44 PM »
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/26/blm-founder-policing-is-problematic-so-we-need-police-free-communities/

Since policing is a problem, the police should be removed from communities altogether, according to Black Lives Matter founder Alicia Garza.

Garza argued that the United States gives too much respect to police officers, explaining that when police do wrong, a few bad cops are blamed, rather than a “corroded and corrupt system.”

“Quite frankly, many of our [Black Lives Matter] members are continuing to investigate what it would mean to have police-free communities. I think what we'’ve continued to see over time is that no moral appeal is actually stopping the deaths of black people, whether they be armed or unarmed.” Garza told Complex.

Garza also claimed that the Charlotte riots are a natural reaction; they occurred because people had been denied housing and good schools.

“How do we stop violence, looting, and riots? The way that we stop that is by making sure that people have the things that they need to thrive,” Garza said. “When people are systematically denied their right to adequate housing, adequate schools, to adequate food, to dignity —this is a response and a reaction that we should absolutely expect.”

People also should pay attention to the black women killed by police, Garza said.

“This is a perfect moment for us to have each other'’s backs, to call out the names of people who have been killed like the brother who was killed in Charlotte and the brother who was killed in Tulsa, but to also remember that this isn'’t just a problem impacting black men, but it’'s a problem that is impacting black people. For us to advance on this front, we have to bring everyone along with us,” Garza said to Complex.



Agelbert NOTE: It is good to know that there are many people in this country who do no blame the victim AND recognize the systemic racism in the police. 

 

Sep. 26, 2016, Hundreds gather at UVM on Monday to show support for the Black Lives Matter movement.
 

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Re: BLM Founder: Policing Is Problematic, So We Need Police-Free Communities !
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 09:17:43 PM »
The display of cherry picking to excuses for bigotry and racism while continually finding ever more threadbare and ridiculous excuses for blaming the victim is palpable here. What next, more "the blacks are just jealous of white success" BULLSHIT?

It is ironic, as well as Orwellian and pathetic, that people, who customarily do not hesitate to snipe at and criticize every article that plainly states that our police problem is SYSTEMIC in that it preserves institutional racism and brutality, make the claim that the "solution" is for everybody to "get along".

This the reality that bigots, who, unlike Alicia Garza, really do have warped  mental faculties, are unable to wrap their white supremacist heads around:

AS Chris Hedges said, it AIN'T GONNA GET BETTER. And that's the way the power structure wants it.  :emthdown: :emthdown: :emthdown:  :evil4:


Police Killings Won’t Stop  

Posted on Sep 25, 2016

By Chris Hedges

PAGE 1 of 2

 
The corporate state, no matter how many protests take place in American cities over the murder of unarmed citizens, will put no restraints on the police or the organs of security and surveillance. It will not protect the victims of state violence. It will continue to grant broader powers and greater resources to militarized police departments and internal security forces such as Homeland Security. Force, along with the systems of indoctrination and propaganda, is the last prop that keeps the corporate elites in power. These elites will do nothing to diminish the mechanisms necessary for their control. 

The corporate state, by pillaging the nation, has destroyed capitalism’s traditional forms of social control. The population is integrated into a capitalist democracy by decent wages and employment opportunities, labor unions, mass-produced consumer products, a modest say in governance, mechanisms for marginal reform, pensions, affordable health care, a judiciary that is not utterly subservient to the elites and corporate power, the possibility for social, political and economic advancement, good public education, arts funding and a public broadcasting system that gives a platform to those who are not in service to the elites. These elements make possible the common good, or at least the perception of the common good.

Global capitalism, however, is not concerned with the cohesion of the nation-state. The relentless quest for profit trumps internal stability. Everything and everyone is pillaged and harvested for profit. Democracy is a mirage, a useful fiction to keep the population passive and compliant. Propaganda, including entertainment and spectacle, and coercion through state-administered surveillance and violence are the primary tools of governance. This is why, despite years of egregious police violence, there is no effective reform.

Propaganda is not solely about instilling an opinion. It is also about appropriating the aspirations of the citizenry into the vocabulary of the power elite. The Clintons and Barack Obama built their careers mastering this duplicity. They speak in words that reflect the concerns of the citizenry, while pushing through programs and legislation that mock those concerns. This has been especially true in the long campaign to curb excessive police force. The liberal elites preach “tolerance” and “professionalism” and promote “diversity.” But they do not challenge the structural racism and economic exploitation that are the causes of our crisis. They treat the abuses of corporate oppression as if they were minor administrative defects rather than essential components of corporate power.

Naomi Murakawa in her book “The First Civil Right: How Liberals Built Prison America” documents how the series of “reforms” enacted to professionalize police departments resulted in placing more money and resources into the hands of the police, giving them greater power to act with impunity and expanding legally sanctioned violence. All penal reform, from President Harry Truman’s 1947 Committee on Civil Rights report to the Safe Streets Act of 1968 to the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 to contemporary calls for more professionalization, have, she notes, only made things worse.

The fiction used to justify expanded police powers, a fiction perpetrated by Democratic politicians such as Bill Clinton and Obama, is that a modernized police will make possible a just and post-racial America. White supremacy, racism and corporate exploitation, however, are built into the economic model of neoliberalism and our system of “inverted totalitarianism.” A discussion about police violence has to include a discussion of corporate power. Police violence is one of the primary pillars that allow the corporate elites to retain power. That violence will end only when the rule of these elites ends. 

Quote
The calls for more training and professionalization, the hiring of minority police officers, the use of body and dash cameras, improving procedures for due process, creating citizen review boards, even the reading of Miranda rights, have done nothing to halt the indiscriminate use of lethal violence and abuse of constitutional rights by the police and courts. Reforms have served only to bureaucratize, professionalize and legalize state abuse and murder. Innocent men and women may no longer be lynched on a tree, but they are lynched on death row and in the streets of New York, Baltimore, Ferguson, Charlotte and dozens of other cities. They are lynched for the reasons poor black people have always been lynched—to create a reign of terror that serves as an effective form of social control.


The wreckage left behind by deindustrialization created a dilemma for the corporate state. The vast pools of “surplus” or “redundant” labor in our former manufacturing centers meant the old forms of social control had disappeared. The corporate state needed harsher mechanisms to subjugate a population it condemned as human refuse. Those on probation and parole or in jails or prisons grew from 780,000 in 1965 to 7 million in 2010. The kinds of federal crimes punishable by death leaped from one in 1974 to 66 in 1994, thanks to the Clinton administration. The lengths of prison sentences tripled and quadrupled. Laws were passed to turn inner-city communities into miniature police states. This had nothing to do with crime.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/police_killings_wont_stop_20160925


 


K sat in the car thinking.  It had been good last summer when he had worked, a long time past now.  Everyone was glad to see him then.  The kids would smile when he came home.  They still did but it was K who had lost his smile.  The accident had hurt him badly and it was more than just the wounded pride from not being able to provide.

Outside it was black like he was, a black man living in an American Getto, a ghetto black with hopelessness.

K hated the man.  He hated their pig faces and their pink skin and the way they looked past him.  It wasn't ever fair.  Hell even when O.J. got off killing his bitch whitey came back after him.  Got him in civil court and took all his money.  Did not leave him nothin.  That civil court was like a secret weapon for whitey.  Whitey got everything.   

K streached his legs and thought to himself.  Civil court was a different way to get back.  Families got money in civil court.  Those Goldmans got money even when O.J. was innocent.  K looked out the window of his car at the police cruiser pulling up behind him.  For a brief moment the gun on his ankle felt heavy but then he relaxed and did not feel it at all.  He was safe.  He was parked and he was here first.  They were looking at the building and only glancing at him.  Furtive glances with occasional long stares.  The cops were checking him out shure nuff but they were looking at the building lots more.  They be here for somebody.  Somebody was gonna get fucked.

K thought about killing himself again.  It is hard to live when part of you is missing and the accident had taken part of K away.  The space where part of him had been was now filled with tears.  A pink pig face had ran his shit rig into his bike.  Everybody had said it was his fault and everybody had just wanted him to go away and shut up after.  Nobody had even cared he got hurt bad.  That pig face had looked like a cop too.  Just like the cops behind him.

K's nostrils flared.  Behind him the cruiser sat.  K knew they were waiting for back-up.  He looked down at the car seat next to him and pulled his book, his leather book, onto his lap.  He held it in his big hand, fingers curled around the gold leaf of the page edges, the black leather spine up pointed to his chest.  It had been hard for K to read after the accident but K still tried and his book gave him comfort.  Comfort like his gun did.  K did not have much comfort.  Those two things and his kids where it.  They were the only things that made K happy now.

K's book, his gun and his kids.  For a moment K thought only about his kids.  For a moment he was happy but then he thought about how he could not get a job and how hungry they were.  K looked down and pointed his book at the dash.  He said bang to himself and for the briefest instant smiled.  Behind him all eyes were on the building next to the parked cars.  A second cruiser pulled up.  K looked in his mirror.  Those cops are gekking he thought to himself.  They must be after some bad dude.

K thought about killing himself again.  It is hard to live when part of you is missing and the accident had taken part of K away.  The space where part of him had been was now filled with tears.  Now K thought about throwing the door open and shooting the windshield of the cruiser whith his 38.  He knew the cops would blow him away if he did.  That thought made the urge pass quick enough.  With him gone he could not get nothin for his kids.  Then K remembered it didn't matter anyhow because he could no work with the accident messing him all up as it did.  If he got out of the car the cops would shoot him dead and they would get off even if he didn't do nothing to them.  They would be innocent just like O.J. was after doing his murders.  K knew it.

K thought about whitey's secret weapon again.  Civil court.  Then the thought of his kids getting money in civil court with him all shot up by the cops hit him.  The thought flashed across K's mind and with it a chill went up and down his spine.

Why not, whitey's secret weapon; but anybody could use it and the city has lots of money.  With a rush of understanding for K had never been a stupid man K saw it all clear. K's fingers cleanched his book.  The cops will be innocent just like O.J. was but his kids would eat and have money just like the Goldman's do.  K looked down at his book and knew what to do.  Keep the gun on the ankle he said to himself, quiet through clenched teeth in a hiss of air.  Then taking a deep breath he thought.  Keep the book close in by the body and point it like a gun.  The light is just right.

K opened the door.
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