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West Coast cessession ?
« on: November 12, 2016, 06:47:30 AM »
This sounds like a thoroughly good idea.  You don't have to be a Hillary supporter to know you hate Trump's political philosophy.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-11/oregone-oregon-joins-california-proposal-secede-after-trump-victory
OreGONE - Oregon Joins California In Proposal To Secede After Trump Victory
Tyler Durden
Nov 11, 2016

Just yesterday we wrote about the "Calexit" proposal that was starting to gather steam after Trump's historic victory on Tuesday night.  Now The Oregonian points out that a group in Oregon has also filed the "Oregon Secession Act" in response to the perceived notion that "Oregonian values are no longer the values held by the rest of the United States."  But, unlike the Calexit proposal, the distraught Hillary supporters in Oregon are thinking big picture and have invited the states of California, Washington, Hawaii, Nevada and Alaska to all band together to form a new nation.

    On Thursday morning, Jennifer Rollins, a lawyer, and Christian Trejbal, a writer, filed the Oregon Secession Act.

    "Oregonian values are no longer the values held by the rest of the United States," Trejbal said over the phone Thursday.

    Those values? "Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness," Trejbal said, "plus equality."

    "Obviously," he said, the ballot proposal "came about partially in response to the election results on Tuesday."

    Trejbal said that joining forces with other states like Washington, California and Nevada is "a viable way to go forward."

    These states, he said, "could all get together and form a nation that uphold the values that we share."

    To start the ballot title drafting process, the Oregon Secession Act must receive 1,000 signatures. Trejbal said he and Rollins would be at Pioneer Courthouse Square in Portland on Thursday night to begin the process of getting those signatures.

And here is the full 1-page proposal...clearly they put a lot of time and effort into this between their violent protest sessions and crying fits.

 

The good thing is that the devastated Hillary supporters are moving through the "7 Stages of Grief" pretty quickly as they seem to have already reached stage 4 after only 3 days.  That said, we suspect the depression stage could last for a little while...college professors shouldn't expect our snowflakes to be taking tests for at least another couple of weeks.
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Re: West Coast cessession ?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2016, 07:29:24 AM »
It has to be done at the municipality / county level, because the urban inteligentsia is not representative of the rural peasantry. Remember finicum and all those oregon cowboys in the national park... they would not be on board, and if they were forced to leave, I doubt they could find many feminist farmers. Refugees head for big cities anyway. It could work because it would be in both sides best interests not to beat up or behead anyone taking trade into hostile areas.
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2016, 08:24:05 AM »
I can see OR and WA seceeding, they have their own water supply.  How does CA seceed?  They depend on the water from the Colorado River, which doesn't flow through CA.  It would be a huge boon to farmers in AZ and NV if CA seceeded, they would then get all the water currently going to CA.

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2016, 08:30:37 AM »
I can see OR and WA seceeding, they have their own water supply.  How does CA seceed?  They depend on the water from the Colorado River, which doesn't flow through CA.  It would be a huge boon to farmers in AZ and NV if CA seceeded, they would then get all the water currently going to CA.

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Desal, or threaten to turn off TV to any state that turns off their water.
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2016, 10:12:16 AM »
Cut off the weed supply to Arizona.

Isn't secession spelled with an "S" ?
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2016, 10:38:55 AM »
Cut off the weed supply to Arizona.

Isn't secession spelled with an "S" ?

We practice Alternative Spelling on the Diner.  It's our form of Rebellion against the Matrix.  ::)

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2016, 11:20:06 AM »
There is no better way to get the men in black on your ass than to spout off about secession.  Any movement that advocates secession is going to get shut down COINTELPRO style but quick!

https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro

That said, I suspect management will not be stupid enough to press the issue right now as the protest flames of frustration will soon die down because there is nothing but emotion behind them.  Certainly not voters because if you voted you will swallow the Trump bad medicine because losing was part of the deal and you knew it when you voted.

Part of the ART of the DEAL as a matter of fact!

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Re: West Coast cessession ?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2016, 12:04:31 PM »
I think educated and elite Californians. not just the common populace, are quite serious about NOT enforcing any fascist unconstitutional overreach by Trailer Trash Trump.

As to attempting to become the United States of California, that's code speech for stating they aren't gonna play fascist ball.

Is Honduras a state? No, but guess who runs EVERYTHING down there? There are many other examples but the point is that Empire fascist enforcement and Empire playing nice is a game of force and resources.

Fascists have a track record of believing their koolaid, which ultimately leads them to ruin after much murder and mayhem. The scapegoating works only briefly. As soon as the prosperity promises are proven to be false, it gets harder and harder to enforce respect for the Gestapo.

The people that will bring Trailer Trash Trump and his pseudo-Christian cabal to ruin are not in any particular area. In fact, many of them probably work within the national security deep state right now.

And another thing is that the fossil fuelers celebrating their new water boy in the fossil fuel government are totally clueless to the velocity with which Europe, China and Asia (excluding Russia which is still big on fossil fuels), now that they see the US has decided to champion polluters against all economic and environmental sense, will accelerate their transition to Renewable for their own survival.

WHAT THAT MEANS is that all fracked gas, tar sands crap and coal that the IDIOTS in the fossil fuel industry are planning to open the export spigots for are going to run into DEMAND DESTRUCTION. IOW, the total denial of climate reality by this new administration is the ONE THING the rest of the WORLD needed to unite against pollution.  :emthup: :emthup: :emthup: :icon_sunny: :icon_mrgreen:

Trump will ultimately be for the fossil fuel industry, so smitten with their new water boy, what Fukushima was for the Nuclear Industry. MKing and his friend Hamm will scoff. But already the IEA has said the "glut" is going to run through 2017 unless the Saudis turn production way down. I don't see them doing that any time soon.

The USA's "leadership" is nuts. Fascist overreach always results in a massive backlash. The Renewable Energy Big Push in the rest of the world that you will now see is a DIRECT consequence of the announced plan by the new crazies in power to smash all the rules and laws for the protecting the environment in the USA on behalf of fossil fuel industry profits.

The Schadenfreude will be quite entertaining. But unfortunately, all the efforts of the rest of the world to bring the USA into the reality based community will not be enough to prevent increasingly frequent climate change catastrophe events.  :( :emthdown:

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Re: West Coast cessession ?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2016, 12:06:02 PM »
Wednesday Nov 09, 2016 · 10:30 PM EST


Joint Statement from California Legislative Leaders on Result of Presidential Election

Wednesday, November 09, 2016

SACRAMENTO – California Senate President pro Tempore Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) and California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D-Paramount) released the following statement on the results of the President election:

Today, we woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land, because yesterday Americans expressed their views on a pluralistic and democratic society that are clearly inconsistent with the values of the people of California.

We have never been more proud to be Californians.

By a margin in the millions, Californians overwhelmingly rejected politics fueled by resentment, bigotry, and misogyny.

The largest state of the union and the strongest driver of our nation’s economy has shown it has its surest conscience as well.

California is – and must always be – a refuge of justice and opportunity for people of all walks, talks, ages and aspirations – regardless of how you look, where you live, what language you speak, or who you love.

California has long set an example for other states to follow. And California will defend its people and our progress. We are not going to allow one election to reverse generations of progress at the height of our historic diversity, scientific advancement, economic output, and sense of global responsibility.

We will be reaching out to federal, state and local officials to evaluate how a Trump Presidency will potentially impact federal funding of ongoing state programs, job-creating investments reliant on foreign trade, and federal enforcement of laws affecting the rights of people living in our state. We will maximize the time during the presidential transition to defend our accomplishments using every tool at our disposal.

While Donald Trump may have won the presidency, he hasn’t changed our values. America is greater than any one man or party. We will not be dragged back into the past. We will lead the resistance to any effort that would shred our social fabric or our Constitution.

California was not a part of this nation when its history began, but we are clearly now the keeper of its future.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/10/1595296/-California-Does-The-Right-Thing-in-the-Face-of-Trump

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Re: West Coast cessession ?
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2016, 01:33:07 PM »
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Isn't secession spelled with an "S" ?

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2016, 01:40:27 PM »
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Isn't secession spelled with an "S" ?

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How would Dmitry spell it?

Seeseshun?

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2016, 01:44:05 PM »
I started to correct it myself, but decided it would be more fun not to.   ;D ;D

We all make the occasional typo. I do, and  still haven't had my first cerebrovascular accident.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2016, 01:52:12 PM »
I started to correct it myself, but decided it would be more fun not to.   ;D ;D

We all make the occasional typo. I do, and I'm still haven't had my first cerebrovascular accident.

I'm had my cerebrovascular accident and still halve same bad grammar and stupid spelling as always.  I was hope this wood improov after the surgery, but I wuz disappointed.

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2016, 03:23:04 PM »
 I dont think you can have a pakistan type partition in the US because no states can fight the US army, even if the bases on those states wanted to. The west coast bases dont want to take on those who supply and pay them over political correctness. Most of the military probably dont like wearing stilletos, breastfeeding and baby belly simulation for sensitivity etc.

A secession petition does not accomplish anything unless the state politicians act on it. Even when Western Australia declared war against the federal govt in 1901 nothing happened because it was 5000km or over 3000 miles away by land and further by sea. In the end, despite the declaration of war, they needed the federal govt. Calif seems to have the same problem, legislators say on one hand they are the strongest economy but also they are scared of losing federal funding. Of course that raises the question of who picks up the tab for what part of the 20T $ debt a state has contributed to, if they leave. Observing trumps thinking so far, hes probably going to make calif foot the bill for  disruption of construction or damage to any completed section of the border wall he now has to try and build because backpedalling on it isnt an option at this point. The protestors will certainly be there then, in texas probably not.

This is the real segregation in play, from the article above...

“I see people differently now,” Orman said. “I don’t smile at people on the street anymore. Because you never know.”

People watching them on the news and reading the calif legislators statement have huge resentment to being called misogynist etc when they are mostly really only nationalist. Extrapolate from where this person doesnt only pass people on the street but strikes up conversation with them outside of a college campus. Can they socialise or work together?
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Re: West Coast cessession ?
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2016, 03:38:19 PM »
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People watching them on the news and reading the calif legislators statement have huge resentment to being called misogynist etc when they are mostly really only nationalist. Extrapolate from where this person doesnt only pass people on the street but strikes up conversation with them outside of a college campus. Can they socialise or work together?

That's why hate speech is so insidious in the first place.  Even if one lot misrepresents the ideas/practices of the other lot out of ignorance or with sweeping generalisations, the other lot feel oppressed/alienated and does the same thing back.
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