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Re: West Coast cessession ?
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2016, 03:39:04 PM »
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RE: I can see OR and WA seceeding, they have their own water supply.  How does CA seceed?  They depend on the water from the Colorado River, which doesn't flow through CA.  It would be a huge boon to farmers in AZ and NV if CA seceeded, they would then get all the water currently going to CA.

You don't have to be practical when you vote for Calexit - Brexit didn't have a plan all worked out, it's just a decision to start working on a plan.  There would be a million things to negotiate.  The deal would have to be on terms broadly similar to the status quo because the pipes all run in the wrong direction otherwise.

There probably couldn't be a deal arranged with a Trump administration/Congress, but that might lead to a withholding of Federal taxes and Federal disbursements - total chaos.
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2016, 03:54:54 PM »


That's why hate speech is so insidious in the first place.  "Even if one lot misrepresents the ideas/practices of the other lot out of ignorance or with sweeping generalisations, the other lot feel oppressed/alienated and does the same thing back."

U can see that play out on ZH. Articles call them crybabies and snowflakes, then the commentary call them traitors, when they really only believe in globalization. But I dont think im melodramatic when I say it is a religion.
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Re: West Coast cessession ?
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2016, 04:14:19 PM »
I don't think the main issue for the 'snowflakes" is globalisation, more like transparency in government, immigrant rights, womens rights, abortion rights, gay rights, BLM, climate change, anti-fracking, environmental protection, etc.  If someone did a poll asking Californicators to number these issues in order of importance, I don't think globalisation would figure at all.  The fact that Hillary got named to represent all those interests was a travesty.
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2016, 06:13:31 PM »
Muslims being charged for false reports of scarves ripped off on campus, fotoshopping swastikas onto school lockers, teachers allowing students to bash others and even mothers disowning little children. Its a religion, watch how any independent opinion off the reservation is reprogrammed. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ihL52iRL7f4&feature=youtu.be
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Re: West Coast cessession ?
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2016, 06:52:58 PM »

A secession petition does not accomplish anything unless the state politicians act on it. Even when Western Australia declared war against the federal govt in 1901 nothing happened because it was 5000km or over 3000 miles away by land and further by sea. In the end, despite the declaration of war, they needed the federal govt. Calif seems to have the same problem, legislators say on one hand they are the strongest economy but also they are scared of losing federal funding. Of course that raises the question of who picks up the tab for what part of the 20T $ debt a state has contributed to, if they leave. Observing trumps thinking so far, hes probably going to make calif foot the bill for  disruption of construction or damage to any completed section of the border wall he now has to try and build because backpedalling on it isnt an option at this point. The protestors will certainly be there then, in texas probably not.

Secession is one of those "much easier said than done" ideas once all the financial ties have been made.  Brexiters have run up on this problem, and it's why Syriza couldn't take Greece out of the Euro.  Even if CA had enough water without the pipes from the Colorado River and Lake Mead (which they don't), they don't have their own energy source and they don't have their own money, so what would they buy oil with?  You think the Saudis will take CA IOUs?

Politically the people may want secession even 100% in a referendum, but doing it becomes practically impossible because of the money and who runs the system, which is not the state, it's the international banking cartel.  Unless they recognize your money, it's worthless.  Would the BIS recognize new money from CA if they seceeded?  I seriously doubt it.

The best way for the people to seceed would be for everyone to leave CA.  Which will happen here eventually.

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Re: West Coast cessession ?
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2016, 07:33:53 PM »
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Even if CA had enough water without the pipes from the Colorado River and Lake Mead (which they don't), they don't have their own energy source

http://marketrealist.com/2016/11/drill-california-resources-3q16-production/
California Resources’ 3Q16 production mix

For 3Q16, California Resources reported crude oil production of 90 MBbls (thousand barrels) per day, natural gas liquids production of 16 MBbls per day, and natural gas production of 193 MMcf (million cubic feet) per day. This means its 3Q16 production mix consisted of ~65.0% crude oil, ~12.0% natural gas liquids, and ~23.0% natural gas.
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That is only a third of their consumption, but its a lot better than the situation in Japan and a lot of other places, where they have none:



They could drive one small car instead of two big ones - problem solved.

They could solve their water problems by not growing rice, and animal fodder to export to China, and not watering golf courses and lawns.  They don't even have water meters yet !



Yes, I know, Peak CA Oil was in 1985 and the future looks grim for 2045, but its not any worse than anywhere else.
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Re: West Coast cessession ?
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2016, 09:07:05 PM »

They could drive one small car instead of two big ones - problem solved.

1 small car instead of 2 big ones? WHAT?  The sacrifice is too great.  They'll take Trump first.  lol.

Seriously, no way CA can secede in the forseeable future, until the monetary system itself collapses and EVERYBODY secedes.  Consider as well all the FSoA military bases in CA.

What is most likely here is these places are going to be close to ungovernable as time goes by.  I seriously doubt Trump will be apologizing anytime too soon for his attitudes and statements regarding Blacks, Mexicans or Muslims anytime too soon.  So, more periodic riots, more property damage, more law enforcement costs ongoing.  What you talked about will occur organically.

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