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Turkish FM threatens Dutch with sanctions if they cancel his landing permit – and they do
11 Mar, 2017

The Netherlands has barred a plane carrying Turkey’s foreign minister from landing, despite a threat he made earlier warning that such a move would prompt Turkey to impose sanctions on Holland, media in both countries report.

The Dutch revoked authorization for Mevlut Cavusoglu’s flight hours after he had warned that Turkey would retaliate if his visit was canceled, CNN Turk and ANP news agencies reported.

Amsterdam said Ankara’s threat of sanctions over the visit “made search for a reasonable solution impossible” and added that concerns over public order and safety were the reason to cancel the ministerial visit.

On Saturday, Cavusoglu insisted that he would go ahead with his visit to Rotterdam even if local Dutch authorities did not agree to his taking part in a rally promoting a change in Turkey’s constitution.

Cancelling the visit had been advocated by right-wing politician Geert Wilders, who secured a harsh dismissal from the Turkish top diplomat.

“Dutch Wilders acts like a Nazi,” the Turkish minister said in an Saturday interview with CNNTurk. “He threatens the foreign minister of the Turkish Republic with not letting the airplane take off. But I will go today.”

“If the Netherlands cancels my flight clearance today then we will impose huge sanctions,” he added.

The rebuke came in reaction to the cancelation of Cavusoglu’s appearance at a rally of Turkish citizens working in Europe. The Dutch snub is the latest in a series of similar measures taken by several European nations, including Germany, Austria, and the Netherlands.

Cavusoglu intended to campaign at the rally to drum up votes in favor of an April referendum that would give the Turkish president new powers, but Rotterdam’s mayor, Ahmed Aboutaleb, banned the Turkish official from speaking in public in the city late on Friday.

“He has diplomatic immunity and everything, so we will treat him with respect, but we have other instruments to prohibit things from happening in public spaces,” the mayor told reporters.

The Turkish minister said that, by preventing Turkish citizens from meeting with an official from their government, Holland’s authorities were effectively holding them hostage.

“These people are not your captives,” he said.

A number of other Turkish pre-referendum rallies have been canceled by local European authorities this week due to security concerns. However, observers say the conflict reflects a larger stand-off between NATO member Turkey and its European allies, which criticize Ankara for a heavy-handed crackdown in the wake of an attempted military coup last year. The Turkish government has fired or imprisoned thousands of alleged supporters of self-exiled US-based cleric Fethullah Gulen, whom Ankara holds responsible for the coup, as well as a series of anti-government protest in recent years.

Commenting on the confrontation, Cavusoglu warned that the Europeans were putting cooperation with Turkey on issues like immigration control at risk. Brussels and Ankara have stuck a deal in which Turkey agreed to ramp up its border security and take back asylum seekers from Europe in exchange for financial aid and political benefits.

However, the visa-free travel for Turks going to the EU that was promised as part of the deal has failed to materialize, angering Turkish officials. Brussels says that Turkey first needs to revise its counterterrorism laws and address other issues, but Ankara considers the condition an infringement on its sovereignty.
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“Dutch Wilders acts like a Nazi,” the Turkish minister said in an Saturday interview with CNNTurk.

Geert Wilders does not "act like a Nazi".  He IS a Nazi!



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The EU doesn't want Turkey in the EU, and they don't want them in NATO either, although the Empire does.  That's why EU wants its own EU Army to replace NATO, and distance from its imperialist leader.  They also don't want a bar of Ukraine, and couldn't careless about Crimea.  Same for Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. They are struggling to care about Bulgaria and Romania, and they're IN already.  Poland and the Baltic states are proving more trouble than they're worth.  The EU would be quite happy if relations with Russia improved, sanctions dropped, oil/gas pipelines flowing.  Everything is the Empire's fault.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/380438-turkey-eu-erdogan-ban-row/
‘EU punishes Turkey for mending relations with Russia, NATO’s Enemy №1’
12 Mar, 2017

The EU’s diplomatic crackdown on Turkey is punishment for Ankara seeking better relations with Russia and showing less commitment to the West, experts told RT, adding that Turkey’s relationship with Europe has never seen such a low point.

The EU-Turkey scandal has been evolving over the past few weeks, as rallies sponsored by the Turkish government in several European countries, including Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and the Netherlands, were cancelled, or Turkish officials were barred from attending them.

Turkish politicians have launched a campaign ahead of a constitutional referendum to be held on April 16 to drum up support among the large number of Turks living in Europe. A ‘yes’ vote would give Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan sweeping new powers.

The effort has been hampered by the authorities of several European nations, leading Turkey to claim that there is a concerted effort to undermine the referendum among countries that have been critical of Ankara’s crackdown on the opposition in the wake of an attempted military coup last year.

Erdogan has lashed out at the bans, the latest of which was imposed by the Dutch authorities. On Saturday, the Netherlands barred Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu from landing in Rotterdam and, later in the day, prevented Family Minister Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya from entering the city’s Turkish consulate and deported her to Germany.  Turkey’s president reacted angrily, saying “they will certainly pay the price and also learn what diplomacy is. We will teach them international diplomacy,” he said on Sunday.

    ‘Nazism is reawakening in the West’: Erdogan slams Netherlands for ‘shameless’ treatment of Turkish minister https://t.co/tIlIzlWP8mpic.twitter.com/jUQCSj3QI6
    — RT (@RT_com) March 12, 2017

RT discussed the latest developments concerning the referendum rallies row with analysts.

Political writer and journalist Dan Glazebrook noted that one factor behind the spat is Turkey’s warming relations with Russia.  “Turkey is important to the West as a NATO member. It was the leading conduit for arms and fighters in NATO’s proxy war in Syria. It is important to keep Turkey on board, and now Turkey is talking about healing its relations with Russia, who is NATO’s Enemy № 1,” he said.  According to Glazebrook, the EU’s expulsion of Turkish officials is a part of “punishing” Ankara for its “apparent wavering in its commitment towards the West and its apparent movements towards Moscow.”

    Turkey should apologize for comparing Dutch to Nazis – Mark Rutte https://t.co/tIlIzlWP8mpic.twitter.com/7IaArC2csE
    — RT (@RT_com) March 12, 2017

Political analyst John Bosnitch says that the Dutch authorities’ decision to prevent Turkey’s foreign minister from landing in “a democratic country to hold a democratic meeting with his own citizens is an unheard of violation of international law.” He also pointed out that the deportation of Turkey’s family minister is a violation the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, which “guarantees the right to sovereign status of embassies.”

The latest spat between Turkey and the EU comes “hours after Russia and Turkey announced that they had normalized relations between the two countries,” Bosnitch noted, referring to Erdogan’s visit to Moscow earlier in the week.  “Two countries which were at odds with each other decided that they will have collaboration in their interests and suddenly we see that Germany, Austria, Switzerland and [the Netherlands] banning the presence of Turkish government representatives to take part in a democratic debate,” he said.

In Bosnitch’s opinion, these diplomatic spats show that NATO’s leading members are “objecting to a peaceful solution of the crisis in Syria.”  The Dutch government is “intervening to stop Turkey from working together with Russia in a manner that blocs the NATO attempt to destabilize Syria,” he said, adding “it is a massive reversal of NATO’s aggressive policy in Syria by the peaceful collaboration between Turkey and Russia, two countries which not so long ago were apparently on the edge of war.”
 

Confrontational incidents similar to those taking place in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and the Netherlands may sweep through Europe, former Pentagon official Michael Maloof said.  “It started back when Turkey wanted to [get] visa-free access to Europe. It is not a member of EU – it is seeking it – and it wants all the privileges of EU member states… in exchange for limits on migration flow into Europe,” he noted.

Though Turkey and the EU agreed on the deal, now “Turkey contends that the EU has not lived up to its end of the bargain,” Maloof said, noting that Erdogan can still release the immigration flow back into Europe.  “He’s got leverage and he’s been playing that leverage,” Maloof said.

Martin Jay, a freelance journalist based in Beirut, says the list of EU members that have given Turkey the cold shoulder is “growing,” calling it a “worrying” development.  “Relations between Turkey and EU have never been as bad as they are now. It is worrying. The credibility of the European Union is at all time low,” he told RT.  The journalist says he’s surprised that Erdogan has not broken the refugee deal with the EU yet, given the situation.

“This game that the EU has played with Turkey for about 17 years now – the carrot and stick, holding EU accession up as a sort of temptation to pistol-whip the country into changing its human rights record, and becoming more like the EU – is not working,” Jay told RT.

Joaquin Flores, an independent geopolitical analyst and journalist, noted that EU-Turkish relations have always been “one-sided.” 
“In the context of refugee crisis… many critics see that what Turkey is doing to the EU is something resembling blackmail,” he said.
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Everything is the Empire's fault.

Not sure if this is sarcasm on your part.  All of Western Europe has been complicit in NATO since the end of WWII, and used the military power enforced by NATO to make their own economies work.  The Brits and Krauts are no less complicit in this than the Yanks.  Now they want to exit because it is falling apart.  They were just as big a part of the "Empire" for while it lasted though, and happy to be part of it.  Now they are trying to jump ship before it gets really bad is all.

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There have been, and are now still, EU elements that want the Empire to continue, but the list of grievances gets longer all the time.  Before the end of WW2, when the US discovered the Russians weren't going to return to Russia after Germany was defeated, but they were going to hold on to and Soviet-ise Eastern Europe, the US decided it was going to do the same and promote Capitalism in Western Europe.  If you play to Grand Chessboard rules, you have no other option.  And when the Soviet Union collapsed, and the US could finally go home (the peace dividend), it decided instead to go for a world Empire, so it stayed and expanded right up to Russia's borders, and even managed to prise the Ukraine off them (thereby killing it).

See Saker's piece in Global Systemic Collapse.
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There have been, and are now still, EU elements that want the Empire to continue, but the list of grievances gets longer all the time.  Before the end of WW2, when the US discovered the Russians weren't going to return to Russia after Germany was defeated, but they were going to hold on to and Soviet-ise Eastern Europe, the US decided it was going to do the same and promote Capitalism in Western Europe.  If you play to Grand Chessboard rules, you have no other option.  And when the Soviet Union collapsed, and the US could finally go home (the peace dividend), it decided instead to go for a world Empire, so it stayed and expanded right up to Russia's borders, and even managed to prise the Ukraine off them (thereby killing it).

See Saker's piece in Global Systemic Collapse.

I see,  so the Brits had no part of this?  They were part of the force that took over Western Europe after knocking off Uncle Adolf.  Da Goobermints formed in France, Spain etc who joined NATO are blameless too I guess?  It's all the nasty Amerikans fault, right?

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I can't understand that garbled stuff.  Try again.
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I can't understand that garbled stuff.  Try again.
Please specify what you do not understand here.

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I think you've lost the plot.
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I think you've lost the plot.

I disagree.

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Do you think that NATO was an idea thought up by the "liberated"/occupied countries of Europe, begging their occupier to form a military alliance with them? - no, they were TOLD to ask for a formal alliance, and have been told what to do ever since.  And you would blame them for that?
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-13/turkey-says-migrant-deal-has-ended-may-unleash-millions-refugees
Turkey Says "Migrant Deal Has Ended", May Unleash Millions Of Refugees
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Mar 13, 2017

As we noted moments ago, the tit-for-tat aggression resumed its escalation between Turkey and the Netherlands, with Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus exclaiming from Ankara that "Europe's politicians are under fascist, neo-nazi influence" and in response, Turkey will suspend all high-level diplomatic meetings and cancel all flight permissions for Dutch politicians.

As part of its furious response, Turkey said it would impose various travel sanctions on Dutch diplomats such as halting all high-level political discussions with the Netherlands in the wake of the Dutch government's decision to bar two cabinet ministers from campaigning in the country. Kurtulmus said during a news conference following a weekly cabinet meeting that Ankara also is closing its air space to Dutch diplomats until the Netherlands meets Turkish requests, according to the AP.

Kurtulmus also says the Dutch ambassador to Turkey, who was traveling when the diplomatic row started, won't be allowed to return, and said that Turkey's government plans to advise parliament to withdraw from a Dutch-Turkish friendship group.

It was unclear what the sudden Turkish escalation means for economic ties between the two nations: as a reminder,  Dutch direct investment in Turkey amounts to $22 billion, making the Netherlands the biggest source of foreign investment with a share of 16%.  Furthermore, Turkish exports to the Netherlands totalled $3.6 billion in 2016, making it the tenth largest market for Turkish goods, according to the Turkish Statistical Institute. Turkey imported $3 billion worth of Dutch goods in 2016. Should the diplomatic spat lead to a collapse in trade relations, a Turkey recession is all but assured.

Kurtulmus said the political sanctions will apply until the Netherlands takes steps to "redress" its actions. He said: "There is a crisis and a very deep one. We didn't create this crisis or bring to this stage."

However the most troubling development, and one which has the potential to sway the outcome of the Dutch election which will be held in less than two days, is that in the final power play aimed towards Merkel, Kurtulmus exclaimed that since "Europe has not kept its promises on the migrant deal, for us that agreement has ended."

Which means that one year after it collected $3 billion for the migrant deal, Turkey has just voided the agreement, and the next step would be that Turkey is about to flood Europe with refugees currently held inside Turkish borders. And since by some estimates Turkey currently harbors over 2 million potential migrants, Europe's refugee situation is about to get far worse, and as a corollary, support for anti-immigrant political organizations across the continent is about to take another step function higher.
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This is escalating quickly.

https://www.rt.com/news/380500-german-troops-turkey-withdrawal/
German MPs call for troop withdrawal from Turkish airbase amid rally row
13 Mar, 2017

Amid a row with Turkey over its presidential powers referendum, some German MPs are calling for the withdrawal of troops deployed at Incirlik airbase. Germany is flying reconnaissance sorties from the Turkish base as part of the US-led anti-Islamic State coalition.

Concerns over the presence of German airmen at the base, which is located in southern Turkey close to Syria, came from lawmakers of both the ruling coalition and the opposition. Florian Hahn, spokesman for security and foreign policy of the Christian Social Union (CSU), said the Germans soldiers and officers may become pawns in Turkish power games.

“Amid this heated atmosphere, it has become increasingly uncertain that the Turkish government can and will guarantee the protection of our soldiers in Incirlik,” he told Germany’s Bild am Sonntag newspaper. He called on the government to stop investing in the infrastructure of the airbase and transfer the Tornados stationed there elsewhere.

The CSU is the Bavaria-based sister party of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, while similar concerns came from the Left Party, the main opposition force in Germany.

“In light of the current developments in Turkey, it is overdue that we withdraw our Tornado [jets] and Bundeswehr soldiers, as well as halting the supply of weapons to Turkey immediately,” argued Left leader Sahra Wagenknecht, as cited by Deutsche Welle.

The Green Party's Cem Ozdemir, an ethnic Turk and long-time critic of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said withdrawing troops from Turkey would send a clear message to Ankara, which is, according to him, “in the process of losing the last remnants of respect towards Europe.”

Several NATO allies have troops stationed at Incirlik, with Germany maintaining a force of some 240. They are ensuring continued flights of the German Tornado aircraft for reconnaissance missions in Syria and Iraq, part of Berlin’s contribution in the US-led coalition fighting terrorist group Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL).

Germany is considering multimillion-dollar investment into Incirlik for the long-term deployment of its troops there. Turkey is set to benefit from the money, both because its base would grow and because local contractors would be involved in the renovation.

Supporters of the idea of pulling out the Tornados from Turkey say they could be stationed in Greece, Cyprus or Jordan and still contribute to the anti-IS campaign. They also say Ankara already played the Incirlik card last year, when it prevented German MPs from visiting the base amid a row over Berlin’s formal recognition of the mass killings of Armenians under Ottoman Empire rule as genocide.

The obstruction was apparently meant to express Turkey’s irritation with the German parliament after it passed the genocide resolution. In Germany, the parliament has strong oversight powers over the military, which is meant to prevent executive abuse and is rooted in the legacy of Nazi-era atrocities. Lawmakers have to sign off on any foreign deployment of German troops and defense spending in other nations.

So far, the German government has brushed aside the calls to withdraw from Turkey, with Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere saying that German soldiers were there to “protect NATO interests, and therefore our interests.”

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on Monday spoke along the same lines and suggested that Turkey and other allies should focus on things that unite them rather than on those which divide them.

Tensions between Germany and Turkey have escalated as Ankara prepares for a referendum in April, which seeks to give more powers to the office of the president. The Turkish government is sponsoring a series of rallies of Turkish citizens living in Europe, campaigning for their votes in the plebiscite. In several European nations, including Germany, this effort has been undermined by the cancelation of rallies and bans on the public appearance of Turkish officials at campaign events.
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Erdogan doesn't seem to know how to control himself.  I suppose it plays well to his deplorables at home, but with no one else.

https://www.rt.com/news/381331-erdogan-europe-gas-chambers/
Europeans ‘would revive gas chambers if they weren't ashamed’ – Erdogan
19 Mar, 2017

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has once again compared Europe with the Nazis saying that they “would revive gas chambers” if they weren't ashamed. He also fired a personal broadside at Angela Merkel, accusing her of “Nazi practices.”

Europe’s “masquerade ball” is over, Erdogan said at yet another demonstration in Istanbul on Sunday, where he rallied support for a 'Yes' vote in Turkey's upcoming constitutional referendum.

Saying the “struggle” against his country has reached a new level, Erdogan slammed European nations, particularly Germany and the Netherlands, for their “Nazi regulations” as they revealed “the hatred they have accumulated for years against our country, our nation or even against all Muslims on TV screens and newspaper headlines every day.”

Erdogan then dropped the hammer, “If they weren’t ashamed, they would revive the gas chambers,” he added as quoted by the Hurriyet Daily News.

The Turkish president then turned his sights on the German Chancellor Angela Merkel. "When we call them Nazis they [European politicians] get uncomfortable. They rally together in solidarity. Especially Merkel," Erdogan said as cited by AFP.

“Merkel. She backs [the Netherlands] too. You too are practicing Nazi practices. To whom? To my Turkish brothers and sisters in Germany,” the Turkish leader also said as quoted by the AP.

He used an informal form of “you” in Turkish.

Erdogan declared that the current policy of a number of European states is based on fear of Turkey’s power. “They [European states] do not have the urge to hide their intentions and cannot hide the discomfort they feel from Turkey, which is growing stronger," Erdogan said, as cited by Reuters.
Turkey summons German ambassador over Kurds’ rally

The comments come as the Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the German ambassador to express Ankara's anger over a Kurdish rally held in Frankfurt on Saturday. The Turkish president’s spokesman Ibrahim Kalin also called Germany’s actions “a worst example of double standards.”

“The German ambassador was invited, summoned, to the Foreign Ministry and this [rally] was condemned in the strongest way,” he said as reported by Deutsche Welle.

The spokesperson added that the “scandalous” event in Frankfurt shows that European countries are in fact actively campaigning against Turkey's constitutional reform.

“It is unacceptable to see the symbols and slogans of the [outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party] PKK [at a rally in Frankfurt] while Turkish ministers and politicians are barred from meeting with their fellow citizens,” Kalin told in an interview to CNN Turk.

Around 30,000 Kurdish supporters took to the streets in Frankfurt on Saturday to denounce the Turkish president and the upcoming referendum which seeks to expand his presidential powers.

Scheduled for April 16, the plebiscite proposes amendments to the constitution that will make Erdogan the sole executive head of state, with the authority to choose his own cabinet ministers, enact laws, call elections, and declare states of emergency.

Turkish officials have been seeking meetings with Turks living in Europe ahead of the referendum hoping to get the support of the strong diaspora — in Germany alone, there are 1.5 million people with Turkish citizenship. But these plans did not go down well with the European authorities.

In early March, Turkey’s Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag pulled out of a scheduled visit to Germany, after a small town in German south-western region of Baden-Wurttemberg denied him the chance to address his countrymen.

The city of Cologne canceled a similar event, where Turkish economy minister Nihat Zeybekci was due to speak. Ankara also summoned the German ambassador at that time.

Pro-referendum rallies were also canceled in Austria and Switzerland, while the Netherlands barred a plane carrying Turkey's Foreign Minister from landing ahead of an event in Rotterdam. This provoked an angry reaction in Turkey, who accused the EU of “selective democracy and xenophobia.”
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Erdogan doesn't seem to know how to control himself.  I suppose it plays well to his deplorables at home, but with no one else.

https://www.rt.com/news/381331-erdogan-europe-gas-chambers/
Europeans ‘would revive gas chambers if they weren't ashamed’ – Erdogan

Give it some time and a few more election rounds.  The Eurotrash will lose their shame.  The Boys from Brazil are waiting in the wings.

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