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Economics / Re: Hyperinflation or Deflation?
« on: February 27, 2020, 06:23:42 AM »
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Surly: Who cares what channel something is posted on?

It obviously matters to anybody that doesn't read EVERYTHING on DD.
It seems sensible to post economics news on the Economics Board.
Posting economics news on Surly's Board is the height of arrogance.
Calling people "ignorant fuckwit" should be "not allowed", as it is impolite and drives people away - the moderator should kill it.

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Economics / Re: Hyperinflation or Deflation?
« on: February 26, 2020, 07:33:24 PM »
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Surly: Ignorant fuckwit.

I doubt that reading the Economics Channel, but NOT reading The Surly News Channel makes me an ignorant fuckwit.
Sounds a bit like Surly thinks only he is right, and everybody who fails to read what he has cut and pasted to be an Ignorant fuckwit.

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Economics / Re: Hyperinflation or Deflation?
« on: February 26, 2020, 07:21:19 PM »
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Eddie: This disease might become endemic...meaning it eventually spreads everywhere...but it isn't going to wipe out millions....It just won't...sorry to disappoint.

But millions dying of coronavirus is not the main danger here.  It is that attempts to quarantine ourselves from "others" mean breaking supply lines that the globalised economy relies on.  One of these supply lines is the supply of credit needed to tide businesses over this minor blip, causing bankruptcies.  These are all insured (against going bankrupt) through AIG.  It was the imminent bankruptcy of AIG, the day after Lehmann Brothers failed, that forced Bernanke, Geitner and Paulson to bail out the "too big to fail"s.  It was only a HOPE that it would work at the time (see PANIC The untold story of the 2008 financial crisis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QozGSS7QY_U ).

I agree coronavirus is probably NOT going to kill too many, but the US economy might not be strong enough to cope with the quarantine.  We are already seeing supermarket shelves in Italy being stripped, and looting of surgical masks.  It is impossible to calculate peak death-rates at this early stage, let alone the secondary supply chain risks to US businesses, and yet decisions are being made right now.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Gaining a more nuanced perspective on collapse
« on: February 26, 2020, 05:16:32 PM »
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Surly: Yep, everyone is blind and/or stupid but you.

This thread proof that when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

I didn't say anyone was blind and/or stupid.  I said:
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Palloy: when you are filtering stories and they contain things like "CIA, double agent, investor in the Russian stock market, Russian living in London, fleeing for their lives from ..." you KNOW you are unlikely to get the real truth, so you can ignore any of their accusations.

Are you maintaining the truthfulness of you own CIA ?

I should correct myself on "knave" - I HAVE heard it before, in a song "Until the real thing comes along" by Fats Waller ( a favourite of my father) . He sings "I'd be a beggar or a knave for you (whatever that is), and if that isn't love, ...". Incredibly, there is a YT of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LljpLw8yRwM

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Lee Camp
« on: February 25, 2020, 09:20:08 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z2XRg3dy9k
John Oliver on "Medicare for All"

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The Kitchen Sink / Lee Camp
« on: February 25, 2020, 08:54:53 PM »
https://youtu.be/SE6ZOejvD7I
Lee Camp on CNN/talking head on Bloomberg

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Economics / Re: Hyperinflation or Deflation?
« on: February 25, 2020, 07:27:23 PM »
I can't believe this board isn't full of the latest Crash stuff.
The Dow has just had its biggest fall EVER, 1,030, on Monday, followed by another 800+ fall on Tuesday.
UST-10 yields is at an all-time low of 1.34% (intraday 1.328%).
Gold is at US$1,643.10 /oz after Mondays' $1659.40 /oz.
2 record daily rises in a row in Safe Haven Index.
And with no solution to "fears of coronavirus" it will continue.

And on DD NOTHING !

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Gaining a more nuanced perspective on collapse
« on: February 25, 2020, 07:05:07 PM »
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Bowder: ... Russian government allegations against me: they accused me of being a serial killer; they accused me of being a CIA/MI6 agent determined to destroy the Russian government; and they accused me of somehow stealing $4.8 billion of IMF money back in the 1990s that was destined for the Russian Treasury.

Does that make his words reliable, or does it make him probably a CIA/MI6 agent ?

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[A young reporter for the Moscow Times] pointed out that I was the biggest foreign investor in the Russian stock market,

He would be the last person I would trust and base any accusations on.

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Surly: "Alternative media" include such bullshit as "Natural News," "Before It's News," rense.com and other sites not worth the time of day,

Oh, come on, I would never quote from THEM !  I leave that to AZ.
I'm talking about thesaker.is, moonofalabama.org, theautomaticearth.com, etc.
when you are filtering stories and they contain things like "CIA, double agent, investor in the Russian stock market, Russian living in London, fleeing for their lives from ..." you KNOW you are unlikely to get the real truth, so you can ignore any of their accusations.

In the final analysis, if you think like the CIA, you have been brainwashed by the CIA/MSM.  The CIA is the most evil organisation on the planet.  They were set up to start the Cold War, and have now got so powerful that the CIA Director, Brennan, lied to Congress about snooping on the "committee to regulate the CIA", when there was an apology letter from him on file (not sent and released in error).  He was never indicted for lying to Congress and went on to be a talking head on MSM.

"Putin is a thug" is CIA propaganda.  Eddie and Surly, surprisingly, have swallowed the propaganda whole, and makes DD look silly.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Gaining a more nuanced perspective on collapse
« on: February 24, 2020, 05:39:05 PM »
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That said, you have altogether too many bodies to bury-- literally-- to aver that Putin is not a thug.

On your list of bodies was Sergei Skripal, who isn't dead.  He wasn't killed by exposure to Novichok, because he WOULD have been dead.  Likewise his daughter and the policeman. He was a spy and double agent for UK.  That's enough to know that you don't have the full story.

Also on the list was Magnitsky.  Read about the case on wikipedia, and you will see no mention of Putin, except when he signed the retaliatory legislation against the stupid Clinton legislation.  Medvedev is mentioned twice. Magnitsky investigated a tax fraud and had accused police, the judiciary, tax officials, bankers, and the Russian mafia of fraud.  It is obvious that the public doesn't have the complete picture, and that the picture doesn't include Putin.

How can you say you have been  "filtering corporate agitprop to attempt to distill facts for nearly 50 years", and yet you put those two cases down as "Putin did it", and spell both victim names wrong.

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Stop assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid.

 I don't, but if you might have been brainwashed by the media, I point it out.  The alternative media never bought into that rubbish, so why should you?

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The Kitchen Sink / Computerised cars
« on: February 23, 2020, 10:28:26 PM »
This is my new car, a Toyota 86 GTS Auto.



It was the only thing I could find, a 2-litre flat-4 Boxer engine and a 6-speed auto.  Goes like the clappers.  I got stopped for speeding the first time I took it to the supermarket.

Yesterday I was driving it, with cruise control ON, and it slipped out of cruise control with the indicator changed to orange, and an unintelligible icon on, also orange.  When I got home I looked it up in the 400-page manual, and it said to have it checked by a Toyota dealer.   I rang but no answer. So I rang for a mechanic to visit and he plugged in his special device and got a code which he looked up in his 4000-page manual, and pronounced it was a silly reading coming from the fuel float.  He reset it and it went away.

This was the second call-out.  The first was when the hand-brake wasn't fully on, and it couldn't be started.

"How do you get a car without a computer", I asked.
"Go for one 20 years old." I was told.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Gaining a more nuanced perspective on collapse
« on: February 23, 2020, 09:59:31 PM »
Complete non-sequitur.
There were 2 program on TV last night about North Korea, the first by Michael Palin (of Python fame).  Every single sentence in his script was "Everything seems perfectly normal, but that's because they have been told to look normal by the sinister state government apparatus."  It started with the station where his train entered NK from China, "Lots of military people present" - at the international border, no less!   It ended with the NK equivalent of "May Day" celebrations with the workers gathering in the park and singing and drinking and dancing into the night.  The people were very well-dressed and having a good time, but what about "somewhere else" where they are not so well-off, and tightly controlled by the brutal and dictatorial regime ?

The second was a US production  that relied on an ex-CIA psychologist, who specialised in what kind of people the leaders are.  He, not ever having met any of the Kims, said "You cannot understand Kim Jong Un without understanding Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il" and proceeded to tear them all apart.  The ONLY evidence came from defectors or captured NKs who hadn't committed suicide (like they had been told by the President).

You may remember the power struggle over a tree on the border, that had been planted by Kim Il Sung, and was blocking both side's view of the DMZ.  The US just went in and started trimming it, and when NK objected strongly, they came back and chainsawed it down.  When Kim Il Sung backed down, it was treated like a great victory for Freedom and Democracy.  "It was the only time Kim was ever known to back down."

No one asked "How can a communist country be run by a dynasty of dictators?" or if they were really dictators at all.

Thus is propaganda vented by the US on Australian TV.  Palin has gone down in my estimation.  No one could have swallowed that pathetic nonsense, or could they? 


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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Gaining a more nuanced perspective on collapse
« on: February 23, 2020, 09:05:08 PM »
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Surly: One might wonder why critics of "the world's greatest statesman" so often end up dead?

So you think Putin is a thug.  But you don't know anything about what happens in Russia, only what you learn from the media.
 
So its what you see on TV and read in the newspapers and on Facebook.

Have you never heard it said that the CIA plants stories to demonise its enemies? Or that Russia is an oligarchy with all sorts of Mafia-like connections? 

And yet you have assessed all the evidence and come to a final conclusion that ... is exactly like what the CIA says it is.

You have been propagandised.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Gaining a more nuanced perspective on collapse
« on: February 23, 2020, 08:39:10 PM »
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But there are some I'd call knaves....knaves have an agenda.....to get something from the people they influence. Those would include anybody who runs a site that has ad income, begs for Patreon support, or (like yourself) tries to organize people into armed groups or into committing various acts of violent resistance to BAU.

You can't be serious.  You think I'm trying to manipulate/organise Diners into armed groups ?  You are the one who is going on about guns all the time, and bringing up Ted Kaczynski, not me.  All I am saying is: "peaceful protest DOESN'T WORK to make governments change their minds", unless it is on a subject that doesn't matter to them, like same-sex marriage.  And voting once every four years DOESN'T WORK, the elite will always have more power, including ownership of all the media and control of the police.  CIA/FBI/NSA/MIC don't even have elections, and remain the same regardless of the President.  Company Directors have to be rich, and the workers don't have a say in the running of the company.

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so as you say.....you really want people like me to bomb government buildings
Who said anything about bombs?   I said gasoline, which is common and legal to own.  When sprayed from a squeezy bottle, it makes a splendid fuse to put you at a distance from the real action (see Mythbusters). Who said anything about "wanting" ? 

I think you have a screw loose. "Knave" indeed !

When economic collapse comes (for you a comfortable 20 years off in the future) you will be penniless and cut off from government agencies.  Your local community will meet to discuss the situation.  I want you to THINK about it now, as to what you will say.  Do you want "freedom and democracy" and everybody with guns again, and all the inequality it brings, or do you want to try something else ?  Nobody on the Diner wants to discuss this, but it could happen TODAY (well, Monday).

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Gaining a more nuanced perspective on collapse
« on: February 23, 2020, 07:21:27 PM »
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Eddie: My definition includes people who are willing to use collapse (which is a real circumstance we all have to deal with) as a lever arm to get people to support some highly questionable agenda they see as fundamental, either to their own ideals, or to obtain money, or both.

You, sir, are  a knave. A manipulator.

I have never been called a knave before, probably because it is an Old English word and no longer used.  Use collapse "as a lever arm" is also very unusual English.  I'm certainly not trying to make money out of rebellion, so that leaves supporting a highly questionable agenda I see as fundamental to my ideals.  I'm at a total loss to understand that.

When I see angry people marching in the streets and being confronted by well-armed, well-trained police, using batons, tear gas, pepper fog, water cannon, rubber bullets and percussion grenades, I say "That is not the way to do it.  They should use asymmetric tactics. The police can't guard everywhere, all the time, so catch them unawares.  The target should always be obvious and exclude harming "the people", and leaving behind your message daubed on a wall or the road."

I think that analysis has some value.  It certainly doesn't mean I am going to do it myself, as there isn't a military dictatorship here, and it doesn't mean I am trying to manipulate YOU into doing it. 

The ideas come from "Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla" by Carlos Marighella, who was a guerrilla fighter against the military dictatorship in Brazil in 1969.  He ended up being ambushed by the police and shot dead.  www.palloy.earth/rebellion/urban_guerrilla.htm . He was a Marxist-Leninist but that is irrelevant to the rebellion side of things.  Obviously I wouldn't expect YOU to get involved, you being uninterested in politics and a millionaire, always whining about your taxes.  In the event of a collapse, you might want to look it up.  It all depends on how ANGRY you are.

The CIA's Freedom Fighters Manual for the Contras in Nicaragua sees it similarly "What the free Nicaraguan can do in order to tie down the Marxist Tyranny" www.palloy.earth/rebellion/freedom.fighters.manual.htm .

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Gaining a more nuanced perspective on collapse
« on: February 22, 2020, 06:30:43 PM »
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Eddie: People like you...want to USE people like me......to achieve your own ends. You want to turn people into cannon fodder for your revolution. And if the means to your ends leads to me getting  killed out on the barricades, well...you have no trouble justifying that.

It's completely  Machiavellian, your approach to political change.

Complete bullshit. I argued AGAINST people clashing with police in the streets, where the set pieces always favour the well-armed, well-trained squads.  I argue in favour of using darkness and quietness to go to an obvious government target and fire-bombing it and returning home un-arrested and un-harmed.  Wanting to turn people into cannon fodder is pure evil, and its disgusting that you would ever think of saying that.

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How about your homeboys Stalin and Mao?

As I have said repeatedly, they have had a very bad press from the CIA and hence historians.  You have spent your whole life hearing the same pack of lies, and you haven't recognised it for the propaganda it was.  You believe it, all of it. 

You think Mao was a Communist, but he never did a thing that communists would want to do, apart from leading a "people's revolution".  What communist society would have ultra low wages ?  What communist society would trade pollution for jobs ?
But China has to remain a communist society in the Capitalist propaganda, because that makes them BAD people and OK to kill.

Stalin started with a broken, bankrupt, starving country and made it into the #2 superpower.  Free health and education, including university level.  He won WW2 (compare the areas of German control taken).  US outrage at his keeping of that territory caused the Cold War, while the US kept all it took and called it NATO, and STILL DOES.  The only thing he didn't do was make trendy new trash, which the sheep wanted.

Putin is currently the world's greatest statesman.  Imagine Trump or Clinton or Sanders talking to Erdogan about his Syrian push for the Turkish Empire.   Upon the breakdown of Ukraine, Putin took back the Crimea (given away by Kruschev in 1954), where the major naval base of Sebastopol is, WITHOUT KILLING ANYBODY, and was accused of "Aggression" !  The US of course has never been guilty of aggression, has it?

Eddie just swallows all the CIA propaganda about Putin being a thug.  He goes along with his ultra-capitalist Texan community, and never questions "the authorities".

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... if climate change does  kill the entire human race, it will be slow and not in our lifetimes...

If a Peak Oil collapse occurs first, we might escape the worst of the Climate Change collapse, but otherwise the CC collapse will cause a collapse of Capitalism (via insurance premiums and infrastructure destr
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uction).  The climate models work best for short-term predictions, then medium-term predictions and long-term predictions are silly, because we don't know what will happen and can't model it.  There are no "tipping points" seen in any of the models being modeled now.

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You want to turn people into cannon fodder for your revolution.
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It's completely  Machiavellian, your approach to political change.
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you are a knave.
Er, what ?
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I suspect you you just set up some kind of alert that let you know someone (me) mentioned you here.
No.


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